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Section sizes in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard Section size for Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard (41 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 961 961 Open tasks 230 230 Sander.v.Ginkel unblock request 17,729 17,729 Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse - draft article about a future film seems to be a long-term draft 10,896 10,896 Conflict of interest - Veeranjaneyulu Viharayatra Article 1,007 1,007 Unclear policy 5,780 5,780 43.249.196.179 (again) 8,325 8,325 Personal attacks by User:Remsense 6,533 6,533 Happy New Year! 1,438 1,438 RM completion request 812 812 :File:L'Arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat, Complete.webm 800 800 an obstacle to translation 680 680 Incivility at Talk:Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 20,872 20,872 Request removal of PMR/Rollback 997 997 Insults, personal attacks and reverts of academic material 7,430 7,430 Appeal of topic ban from 2018 3,183 3,183 User:SpiralWidget vandalizing pages 544 6,441 Evidence 5,616 5,616 Context 281 281 Repeated tool abuse by User:FlightTime 3,655 3,655 Emoji redirect 791 791 Topic ban appeal 8,535 8,535 Request to Fix Redirect Title: Camden stewart 1,973 1,973 Andra Febrian report 4,903 6,576 Mr.Choppers warning request 1,673 1,673 Proposal to vacate ECR remedy of Armenia and Azerbaijan 548 548 Cannot draftify page 1,052 1,052 Remove PCR flag 698 698 "The Testifier" report 252 252 Problem with creating user talk page 1,978 1,978 Administrators' newsletter – January 2025 5,082 5,082 user:Uwappa: refusal to engage with WP:BRD process, unfounded allegation of WP:NPA violation, unfounded vandalism allegation 22,654 22,654 An inappropriate template being added to many pages 4,178 4,178 Ottawahitech, requesting an appeal on their talk page restriction 5,315 5,315 RFU backlog doin' great 1,007 1,007 Call for mentors 4,076 4,076 Discussion at :Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Administrator elections 493 493 Kansascitt1225 ban appeal 5,418 5,418 Heritage Foundation 432 432 Deleted contributions request 3,451 3,451 WP:NOTHERE behavior (or 'very' slow learner) from User: Astronomical17 1,139 1,139 Total 173,417 173,417

Section sizes in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents Section size for Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (56 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 711 711 Cross-wiki harassment and transphobia from User:DarwIn 40,341 121,475 Proposed Community Sanctions 64,346 64,346 Skyshifter taking matters from another Misplaced Pages to seek revenge. 16,788 16,788 John40332 reported by CurryTime7-24 16,168 16,168 User:Vofa and removal of sourced information 11,280 11,280 Incivility and ABF in contentious topics 58,106 61,214 Send to AE? 3,108 3,108 Edit warring to prevent an RFC 28,290 72,436 A Non-Mediator's Statement 3,764 5,545 A Possibly Requested Detail 1,781 1,781 The actual content that led to this dispute 24,878 30,445 Thanks, and a Diddly Question 5,567 5,567 Proposal 2: Article Ban of Axad12 from Breyers 5,550 5,550 Proposal 3: Article Ban of Axad12 from COIN 2,606 2,606 Complaint against User:GiantSnowman 9,025 55,863 CBAN proposal 17,188 17,188 MENTOR proposal 2,374 12,794 Discussion 10,420 10,420 Response from Footballnerd2007 16,856 16,856 User:49.206.48.151 1,361 1,361 2403:580E:EB64:0::/64: disruptive changes to UK nationalities 1,978 1,978 New Family Family Rises Again 1,410 1,410 MAB Teahouse talk 1,570 1,570 User:Moarnighar 1,382 1,382 Kosem Sultan - warring edit 2,992 2,992 SPA User:Muzaffarpur1947 and persistant removal of negative information about Muzaffarpur 712 712 Evading Article-Ban 2,567 2,567 NOt here account 660 660 Transphobia in my talk page by 136.57.92.245 2,713 2,713 IP User 103.109.59.32 persisting in unsourced inflation of Buddhist population numbers 1,258 1,258 User:CNMall41 is Removing reliable sources and contents 4,525 4,525 IP persistently removing sourced content. 2,952 2,952 92.22.27.64 is edit-warring and abusing editors at Racism in the United Kingdom and on talk 2,924 2,924 Edit warring on US politicians around the Gaza genocide 4,988 5,980 Removal of legitimately sourced information concerning ongoing Genocide in Gaza 992 992 Tendentious editor 2,017 2,017 User:Adillia 5,002 7,153 User:D.18th 2,151 2,151 User:Azar Altman and User:Farruh Samadov 3,685 3,685 Sockpuppetry in Philippine articles 1,358 1,358 VZ Holding 1,379 1,379 SeanM1997 2,146 2,146 Deegeejay333 and Eurabia 2,495 2,495 User:Wigglebuy579579 5,204 5,204 User:BittersweetParadox - Overlinking 2,387 2,387 Repeated pov pushing 15,207 15,207 Automatic editing, abusive behaviour, and disruptive(ish) wikihounding from User:KMaster888 15,890 23,751 Propose indefinite block 5,919 5,919 Investigating the hounding claim 1,942 1,942 User:FMSky 11,774 11,774 User:Bgsu98 mass-nominating articles for deletion and violating WP:BEFORE 21,841 21,841 Potential company editing? 2,329 2,329 User:Smm380 and logged out editing 2,526 2,526 Another not here IP 1,159 1,159 Heritage Foundation planning to doxx editors 2,143 2,143 Total 482,685 482,685

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Remarkably consistent ChatGPT report templates

Lately AN/I seems to have been inundated with incident reports that are obviously the products of an LLM. What I find kind of confusing though is the consistency of the report templates combined with their inappropriateness for adjudicating incidents of the type this page is designed to address.

Is there any way we can just have a blanket operating procedure to immediately close any incidents created using these templates? It'd probably save a lot of people a lot of time. Simonm223 (talk) 18:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Can you give some recent examples? Floquenbeam (talk) 18:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Here's the most recent. They keep popping up.-- Ponyo 18:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh. Duh. I was looking at AN. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

(after edit conflict) It's pretty obvious which reports they are, but I won't go into details because people will just tell their favourite LLM to format things differently and they will be harder to spot. WP:BEANS may be relevant. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

ChatGPT sure has a strange idea of what an effective ANI request looks like. _signed, Rosguill 19:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I know, right? It's like the bot produces something remarkably formal, rigid and entirely lacking relevant information. Simonm223 (talk) Simonm223 (talk) 19:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Seems like we may as well just close any of these immediately as they arise. -- asilvering (talk) 19:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

n.b. I ended up blocking the filing editor for sockpuppetry as this was a clear behavioral match to the sockfarm that has been plaguing Hamis Kiggundu _signed, Rosguill 19:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) "entirely lacking relevant information", good description. It also describes unblock requests generated by ChatGPT and the like, of which we get a lot. Note there are the templates, Template:uw-ai1 through Template:uw-ai4, which may be helpful. I endorse just closing any such report, as per asilvering. --Yamla (talk) 19:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Does ChatGPT actually know how ANI/AN work? Misplaced Pages is just one website among many; perhaps it assumes that what works for a petition or a job interview also works for a report on a Misplaced Pages noticeboard. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it knows the purpose, the audience and the nature of typical discussions of both ANI and AN, and the differences, with the caveat that no one currently knows what 'knows' really means for LLMs. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

As an aside, I decided to have a LLM chatbot summarize this conversation and propose solutions:

But on a more serious note, yes; I have seen this sort of formatting. It's somewhat obvious, since nobody naturally writes complaints at ANI in the way that ChatGPT does. The problem is that the AI detection algorithms really do get quite a lot of false positives (they misclassify a good number of pieces of text as AI when they aren't); at best, we're left to our hunches. And I really can't block someone on a mere hunch.

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

No algo needed to observe and identify this kind of thing. Your own eyes and brain work fine. -- asilvering (talk) 20:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about that. I can see the same thing happening at some of the village pump pages, and the danger is that people will see it and think that it's normal to format things in that way and to bury valid points in loads of meaningless platitudes. If we're not careful life could mimic art. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Regarding that last one at ANI, if you look at the quality of English of the author's previous posts, it was fairly obvious that they didn't write it themselves. This is quite a common reason for people using LLMs, because their own language skills are not good. Black Kite (talk) 22:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

People aren't going to think it's normal to format things in that way if we're immediately closing them for being meaningless AI-generated platitudes. -- asilvering (talk) 01:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Why do people like the formal style? This is also ChatGPT for the same request.

• Oi, listen up, you lot! I’ve been watchin’ the carryings-on with that Hamis Kiggundu page, and it’s a right mess, innit? Some geezer, Timtrent, has been runnin’ the show, blockin’ proper updates and throwin’ his weight around like he owns the gaff. Every edit request gets binned, even the ones that follow Misplaced Pages’s bleedin’ rules to a T! He’s callin’ Ugandan media “churnalism” like he’s some big-time expert, as if local news ain't good enough unless it’s got the BBC’s stamp on it. Worse yet, he’s slinged accusations left, right, and centre—sockpuppetry, paid editing, the lot—without a shred of proof, just to shut people up. Legit editors are too scared to touch the page, and now it’s a dusty relic stuck in 2020! It’s high time the admins stepped in, sorted Timtrent out, and gave this page a proper shake-up. Fair’s fair, innit?

Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Please un-protect ANI now and in general

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Hi,

ANI is currently protected as a measure against disruptive edits.

It's pretty fucked up that one of the main dispute resolution forums would exclude a significant proportion of its disputants without signficant justification.

I would ask that ANI is unprotected, and only (semi-)protected if more targeted measures (i.e. blocking the disruptive editor/IP) is unfeasible.

Thank you, 51.37.79.136 (talk) 23:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

This page and other help pages are the target of a long term abusive user; lesser measures do not deter them, unfortunately. 331dot (talk) 23:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Please work out how to get the WP:WMF to assist. We can't. Johnuniq (talk) 00:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Complete Crash, Complete Lock-Out

Hi, I don't know who to go to about this. I had an account on Misplaced Pages for about six years, it is User:KTcup82. About a month ago, we had a total computer crash and had to buy a new machine. None of the passwords saved on the old machine were in the cloud and the original email address for password recovery for Misplaced Pages was an old work email that I don't work at anymore. I don't know how to get back into my account and don't want to lose my edit history if I make another one. Is there anything I can do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2E8B:347E:0:A4F2:1B6D:55DD:1CA9 (talk) 13:48, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

You can try emailing ca@wikimedia.org. CA stands for "compromised account". They may have a procedure for gaining access to it again, or they may not. I'm not sure.

Looks like your account only has 225 edits. That is a low edit count. To be honest, starting a new account probably wouldn't be a problem. You would get back to 225 edits very quickly. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Subject: Clarification and Assistance Needed for "The Economic Impacts of Climate Change: A Journey Towards a Sustainable Future"

Dear Administrators,

We, User:Chloe and Anon, are the human editors of the article titled "The Economic Impacts of Climate Change: A Journey Towards a Sustainable Future" (URL: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Draft:Economic_Impacts_of_Climate_Change). Our article has recently been the subject of discussion, and we wish to address any concerns regarding its content and adherence to Misplaced Pages's policies.

We have made several significant revisions to the article, focusing on the economic impacts of climate change, the role of technology and policy, and human narratives such as the Jenkins family's sustainable farm and the Solar Sisters initiative. All sources are now properly cited, and we have worked to maintain a neutral point of view throughout the text.

We are committed to participating in the community review process and making our article the best it can be. We invite you to review our changes and provide any additional feedback or guidance that may be necessary.

Thank you for upholding the integrity of Misplaced Pages, and we look forward to collaborating with the community to ensure that our article meets the encyclopedia's high standards.

Sincerely, Chloe and Anon 162.156.70.174 (talk) 20:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Your entirely unreferenced draft and inappropriate draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Also, this is not the place to discuss drafts. Cullen328 (talk) 20:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

ALL of this user's edits are AI-generated, including their replies to other users and administrators. They are also weaving the narrative that the user is two human beings working in collaboration rather than one person using an AI chatbot. The user has already received multiple warnings to stop uploading AI-generated content to Misplaced Pages; I recommend a permanent ban as they have refused to stop. CeltBrowne (talk) 22:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

We don't permaban IP address as IP address are subject to change. Lavalizard101 (talk) 23:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit summaries wiped out

Somebody has wiped out a bunch of edit summaries (20:16 to 20:42) by mistake, at the WP:ANI page. GoodDay (talk) 20:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Someone on the oversight team has suppressed a number of revisions. Nthep (talk) 21:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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