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To-do list for Islam: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2022-03-20

It needs to be integrated better internally; some sections do not flow properly
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Miller, F. P., Vandome, A. F., & McBrewster, J. (2010), Contemporary Islamic philosophy: Islam, philosophy, modernity, Western philosophy, Jamal-al-Din Afghani, Muhammad Abduh, Muhammad Iqbal, Islamic fundamentalism, Islamic philosophy, Alphascript Publishing{{citation}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
Miller, F. P., Vandome, A. F., & McBrewster, J. (2009), Islam and modernity: Modernity, islam, sociology of religion, Islamism, Arab socialism, liberal movements within Islam, Islamic feminism, Alphascript Publishing{{citation}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
Miller, F. P., Vandome, A. F., & McBrewster, J. (2010), Islamic view of Ishmael: Islam, Ishmael, Abraham, Rasul, God, Adnan, Muhammad, Alphascript Publishing{{citation}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

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OCLC 697554244, ISBN 9786130678883.

Section sizes

Section size for Islam (47 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	10,595	10,595
Etymology	3,496	3,496
Articles of faith	784	24,695
God	3,546	3,546
Angels	3,065	3,065
Scriptures	4,931	4,931
Prophets	7,240	7,240
Resurrection and judgment	3,245	3,245
Divine predestination	1,884	1,884
Acts of worship	1,366	16,282
Declaration of faith	1,533	1,533
Prayer	2,711	2,711
Almsgiving	3,630	3,630
Fasting	1,277	1,277
Pilgrimage	3,356	3,356
Other acts of worship	2,409	2,409
History	378	72,293
Muhammad and the beginning of Islam (570–632)	5,050	5,050
Early Islamic period (632–750)	9,051	9,051
Classical era (750–1258)	16,554	16,554
Pre-modern era (1258 – 18th century)	10,086	10,086
Modern era (18th–20th centuries)	14,590	14,590
Contemporary era (20th century–present)	16,584	16,584
Demographics	16,427	16,427
Main branches or denominations	140	34,581
Sunni	6,259	6,259
Shia	14,171	14,171
Muhakkima	1,707	1,707
Other denominations	9,298	9,298
Non-denominational Muslims	3,006	3,006
Mysticism	7,883	7,883
Law and jurisprudence	6,769	6,769
Society	14	25,510
Religious personages	2,250	2,250
Governance	5,294	5,294
Daily and family life	10,118	10,118
Arts and culture	7,834	7,834
Influences on other religions	4,440	4,440
Criticism	3,608	3,608
See also	227	227
References	15	19,510
Footnotes	30	30
Quran and hadith	54	54
Citations	29	29
Sources	14,874	14,874
Encyclopedias and dictionaries	4,508	4,508
Further reading	6,833	6,833
Total	253,149	253,149

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Stats by ethnicity are missing; maybe start with or ?

discussion Al-Ghayb

The Islam page when referencing Allah's nature uses the below quoted sentence. Wiki has a page for Al-Ghayb describing the concept. Should we link that page in that sentence, include the proper word "Al Ghayb" thru some type of rewording or simply do nothing to give context to the sentence?

"God is seen as transcendent of creation and so is beyond comprehension."

RCSCott91 (talk) 18:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2024

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Hello Sir I wanna add a Phrase is "Islam" Religion Page Thay is " It's The Complete System Of A Life Which Gives Muslims a religious, social, aur legal guidelines" It is a complete system that encompasses spiritual, social and moral dimensions. It contains guidelines for every aspect of life, such as family, business, and governance. " 103.162.216.125 (talk) 12:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 13:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Article reliability

To the recent editor who just reverted, what makes you think that the article I cited was unreliable? It's only deemed as unreliable if I get a warning before I click publish. However, this wasn't the case when I added this article about birth rates of Muslims. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 20:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)( Blocked sockpuppet of LDas12345, see investigation)

@Jeppiz. I think he's tryna talk to you. Your welcome. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 22:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

@ShawarmaFan07 You need to read WP:RS. Misplaced Pages has rather strict rules for reliable sources. Just finding an Internet page that says something is not enough. Before you continue Misplaced Pages, it would be good to familiarise yourself with Misplaced Pages policies. Jeppiz (talk) 23:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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For any image that depicts the prophet, angel and gods face should be removed because in islam it is very disrespectful to do so because it encourages idolatry, or the worship of physical objects. This is inconsistent with the Muslim faith's monotheism, which teaches that God alone should be worshipped.

whenever i see these i feel disrespected as i myself am muslim and a follower of islam i find it wrong to just see ancient paintings of something and immediatly think its right without background checking it with an actual muslim thank you for reading this and goodbye. Fnafkidfrom2014 (talk) 23:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Not done: Misplaced Pages is not censored. FifthFive (talk) 23:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Wrong information about Islam

Islam is oldest religion in the world, please correct it , the first prophet was Adam ( from life start of Human Beings ) and the last was Muhammad: The first prophet, considered the father of the human race. His story teaches about forgiveness, obedience, and patience. Muhammad The last prophet, who received a divine gift of revelation through the angel Gabriel. Both Sunni and Shi'a Muslims believe that no new prophet can arise after Muhammad. Idris (Enoch), Nuh (Noah), Hud (Heber), Saleh (Methusaleh), Lut (Lot), Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob), and Yusuf (Joseph) etc there is more then one lakh messenger from God till the last 117.254.233.106 (talk) 00:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The article already states that Muslims believe this. WP is not in the business of stating religious beliefs as facts - regardless of which religion it is. Jtrevor99 (talk) 00:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Every scholarly source states otherwise. On Misplaced Pages, we go by what reliable sources state. SKAG123 (talk) 23:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Title

The title for Fasting should have a / then say Sawm. I know this form my religion being Islam. Ali.kazimiA (talk) 20:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect Fact On Islam

Hi ! How Can You Just Say That Islam Was Spreading Father Due To The Fertility Rate ? Theres Thousands and Thousands Of Reverts Across Globe And Reverting Rate Was Much Higher. That fertility Fact Was Too Descriminating and Replicating Propaganda Myths . So I Request Someone Who Can Access The Edit Section Of This To Edit The Part . Thanks So Much ItsTrueNow (talk) 11:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

According to the latest study conducted by the Pew Research Center, conversion does not play a significant role in the population growth of religions, including Islam. The study states that the primary factors driving this growth are fertility rates and median ages. The source is included in the demographic section. If you have any new research sources suggesting that Muslim population growth is mainly due to religious conversion, please share them along with the sources. I have reverted your last edit as it was not supported by a source. Durziil89 (talk) 12:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Infobox issue

On behalf of @William M. Connolley's request, I will make a discussion regarding the "separation from:" parameter and its value within the infobox, I am inviting @Sinclairian and @Jtrevor99 to join the discussion.

First of all, I've been skimming this article and the History of Islam in order to find the information regarding the separation of Islam from ancient Arabian (possibly just Meccan) polytheism, and from this article alone I found no indication or evidence to support this particular information to be kept in the infobox. But I do, in fact find some information regarding the relationship between Muhammad early religious activity and Meccan paganism, but it is still ambiguous and cannot explain the whole idea of Islam being parted from Arabian polytheism.

This is why I insisted on removing the data, until a clear and unequivocal information is given and included in this article alone. I advocated the use of Infobox in any article, but not if the information given by the infobox is misleading or contradictory with the content of the article, I heavily discouraged the policy of adding or keeping unsourced information in the infobox. Mhatopzz (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

See WP:CITEREF. My objection was to your deletion of references to the Separations section, and the three references it contained which back up the assertions of that section. Meanwhile, the article you deleted the link to, Religion in pre-Islamic Arabia, contains references that back up that assertion. That said, I will have to defer to other editors: I am traveling for the next few weeks for holiday, and Internet connectivity will be questionable starting in an hour or two. Good luck. Jtrevor99 (talk) 18:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I agree with the separations section, but the separated from section does not reflect the article (see MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE), the particular claim that Islam is separated from Arabian polytheism is not described at all within the article, and infobox is supposed to be made to summarize the whole article, not to add something up. That is why I said, this particular claim needs a source and mention as well, if not well then remove it, and that's it. Hope everyone understands. Mhatopzz (talk) 23:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Just chiming in as a random person but I completely agree there’s no source or anything to back up that Islam is separated from Polythiesm of any kind and it’s an entirely false and made up claim. It’s a completely Abrahamic religion so this must be removed from the infobox and I support your removal. Thanks Rafnator9 (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I support its removal. But I do, in fact find some information regarding the relationship between Muhammad early religious activity and Meccan paganism, but it is still ambiguous and cannot explain the whole idea of Islam being parted from Arabian polytheism. With sources that contrast the two faiths, it might come down to what they mean by "separated": (1) adherents gradually modified elements of the faith until it was a distinct religion? or (2) among the population, Islam appealed to more and more adherents until the population comprised two distinct groups? I think common wisdom says (2) is true. I agree, we'd want some sources that explicity spell out (1), if it's going to be in the infobox. My two cents. _signed,Willondon (talk) 17:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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