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Abu Bakr's birth name

Which is the birth name of Abu Bakr, Abd Allah or Abd Al Ka'bah? MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 00:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Muhammad(peace be upon him)

In your article in many places you did not wright the word (peace be upon him) with the name of the Prophet(peace be upon him) and it is a disrespect of the Prophet, it is compulsory in Islam to pray for the Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) when using there name.So,it is a request that you fix this mistake. 121.91.60.54 (talk) 05:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but Misplaced Pages represents a variety of views, including those that do not believe in Islam, and we are required to present articles from a neutral point of view. lavender||lambast 05:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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The last paragraph of first section "Sunni Muslims revere Abu Bakr as the first of the rightly-guided caliphs and the greatest individual after the prophets and messengers. Shia tradition considers Abu Bakr an usurper of the caliphate and an enemy of the ahl al-bayt." is proposed to be shifted at the top introduction paragraph to start the introduction by mentioning opinion of different sects, and not by one sect. Dr. Ilham Zaidi (talk) 06:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. PianoDan (talk) 23:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Abu Bakr's love and respect for Ahle Bayt

This thread is dedicated to discussing the edit on Abu Bakr's relationship with Ahle Bayt, which was reverted by @Albertatiran The purpose of this discussion is to examine the accuracy and relevance of the information and come to a consensus Umayyad-387 (talk) 16:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Primary sources are not reliable for this type of information, nor is a technically secondary source like the sixteenth-century Islamic scholar Mulla Ali Qari.

What we basically need is a modern reliable academic source conforming to WP:SCHOLARSHIP, in order to establish that the information is WP:DUE to include here. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 16:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

i had added three references from Tirmizi, which is considered a verified book of Hadiths. Notably, there are already numerous references on Abu Bakr's page from Tirmizi, Sunan Abu Dawood, Tabaqat Ibn Saad, and other Hadith books. I'm unclear as to why the Tirmizi reference is being rejected now.

if Misplaced Pages no longer wishes for users to add new information, i will refrain from editing the page further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umayyad-387 (talk • contribs) 19:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

As I've explained to you before, hadiths like those from al-Tirmidhi, as well as any type of religious commentary on these hadiths, are primary sources as far as Misplaced Pages is concerned. The reason why editors should not use primary sources for anything that involves interpretation is that Misplaced Pages cannot allow its editors to post their own non-expert, non-scholarly, and often non-independent (i.e. religiously motivated) points of view on Misplaced Pages. Instead, as an encyclopedia Misplaced Pages needs to represent the points of view of modern academic secular scholarship.

It is true that this article and many others do contain information based purely on primary sources like you mention. If you wish, you can remove some of that information where appropriate, citing the WP:NOR policy in your edit summary. Eventually all original researched information like that should be removed from Misplaced Pages, although ideally the information should be replaced by information based on modern academic secondary sources. One thing you should not do, as you also did on Umar, is to add information purely based on primary sources. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 21:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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