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Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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Please change the final sentence to "They have been displayed in the Museo Egizio in Turin since their arrival, and an entire gallery is devoted to them." Many thanks - SchroCat (talk) 07:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. Stephen 10:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks Stephen, much obliged to you. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 10:26, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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  • The ever-infuriating MOS:PEOPLETITLES: shows an Indian emperor preferring a Sufi saint over the king of England: King should be capitalised here, as "the King of England" is a formal title standing in for his name (" when a title is used to refer to a specific person as a substitute for their name during their time in office"). By the same logic, "Ottoman Sultan" could be capitalised, but that's more of an edge case as it's not strictly the title.. UndercoverClassicist 09:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
     Not done. "the king of England" is a modified phrase per the definition in MOS:JOBTITLES. It's akin to the "Richard Nixon was the president of the United States" example given in that guideline. Downcasing king is correct. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
  • "... that the My Chemical Romance song "Cancer" was written in eight minutes?" The article: "Gerard Way told Ray Toro that he had written a song, and Toro began to place chords onto his melody with his guitar." "The next day, Cavallo accompanied Way on the piano, following Way's instructions on how he wanted the chords to sound; according to Cavallo, the pair composed "Cancer" in eight minutes, " So, a song was written at an undefined date during an undefined time; then they put chords to the melody, and "the next day", they finalized the song in 8 minutes. That's not writing a song in 8 minutes at all. Please pull. Fram (talk) 10:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
    While I'm normally a sceptic when it comes to unusual DYK claims, as the queue checker I don't think I agree here. The article says they composed the song in 8 minutes and the source also says they composed the song in 8 minutes. It's therefore per the principles of WP:V and WP:Verifiability not truth a compliant verifiable fact. Unless you can provide a source saying it took them longer than that to write the song, it would be original research to say otherwise. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
    It's right there in the article, it was already written before. Fram (talk) 11:35, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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  • ... that Charles Fisk quit physics after unknowingly working for the Manhattan Project and became an organ builder? Strange, he only started studying physics after the end of WWII, so the order in which things are presented here seems dubious, his work on the Manhattan Project wasn't as a physicist but as a technician: and whether his later switch to organ building had anything to do with the Manhattan Project is debated, as can be seen in the article. The juxtaposition and arrangement of facts into a narrative in this hook is wrong. Fram (talk) 10:49, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
  • ... that Picher, Oklahoma, was hit so hard by a tornado in 2008 that it would become a ghost town in 2015? Er, no: "Eventually, the EPA and the state of Oklahoma agreed to a mandatory evacuation and buyout of the entire township." because of lead poisoning, before even the tornado hit. The tornado at most accelerated things for a few people, but it didn't cause the town to become a ghost town. Fram (talk) 10:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
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ALT1: * ... that after a 2008 tornado, Michael Chertoff likened Picher, Oklahoma to a nuclear bomb site? Gatoclass (talk) 11:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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  • ... that Luigi Mangione was described as "somewhat of an online sex symbol" following his December 2024 arrest for murder? He isn't convicted and pleads "not guilty", so at the very least this should be changed to "alleged murder" to not give the impression that he is convicted. Fram (talk) 10:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Surely it's obvious that somebody who has just been arrested has yet to be convicted? Gatoclass (talk) 11:03, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
I agree. Not an error.--Launchballer 11:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
But an extremely negative aspect of a WP:BLP, sometimes which should be avoided on DYK. Perhaps people solely known for but not convicted of alleged crimes should simply not be the subject of DYK at all, as it is impossible to write a hook without either trivializing the issue (just try to imagine the "pleasure" the loved ones of the victim will have when seeing the suspect paraded here as a sex symbol) or giving the impression that the suspect is guilty (which, even with the "arrested for", is exactly what happens and is the reason we have WP:SUSPECT and the rule about not focusing on negative aspects of a BLP on DYK). Fram (talk) 11:24, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
The whole world knows who this guy is by now, it's hard to imagine a DYK hook somehow prejudicing his case at this point. The "sex symbol" aspect has also been widely canvassed in the media, so again, I can't see a DYK hook making any substantive difference one way or the other. Gatoclass (talk) 12:09, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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