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Bleed Like Me

No, I wasn't only trying to get into an edit war again. -- Mike Garcia|talk 23:02, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

We've received a number of complaints recently about Mike Garcia's behavior on a number of album pages, in general consisting of reverts and abuse towards anons. Seems something more serious is developing at this page. I've taken on this issue for the AMA, and I'd like to know if you feel this is an issue of sufficient weight to go to the ArbCom and request an injunction against further editing due to violations of Mike's parole pending dispute resolution. Wally 23:47, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The only reason I ask, obviously, is because there have been a variety of problems with this user before, and he's already on parole from the ArbCom. He's also a fairly experienced user who well knows the procedures of the Misplaced Pages, especially those regarding contentious edits. However, at this point (and also because Danny has requested time to deal with the situation) as per your recommendation I won't proceed. Please keep me informed of further developments on that page, and should any important changes occur don't hesitate to contact me. Wally 14:00, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Actually, he's not on parole from the ArbCom at all - we've never dealt with him at any time. He was banned by Jimbo personally, and was allowed back in by Jimbo personally with Danny as mentor. If you're getting serious problems with Michael, you should definitely email Danny, cc: Jimbo and Michael, with your concerns - David Gerard 19:29, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Irate

Thanks for this edit! It caused a big smile. — mark ✎ 23:48, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for the vote at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Henrygb2. It has made my week, even though you forgot to sign. --Henrygb 01:57, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Zürich to Zurich

Zürich has been nominated on Misplaced Pages:Requested moves for a page move to Zurich. Perhapse you might like to express your opinion about this proposed move on talk:Zürich. Philip Baird Shearer 09:46, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

monkey

Thanks.... I didn't know about {{vprotected}}. Ya learn something new everyday. *grins* - UtherSRG 15:04, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Jacques Brel

fyi, I designed the lighting for a production of Jacques Brel is alive and well and living in Paris. I also write software. Best, Davenbelle 19:08, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

I also designed the lighting for a production of Never the Sinner by John Logan (writer); the title is from the line: Hate the Sin, Never the Sinner. — Davenbelle 19:12, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks on the RFA

Thanks Tony on your RFA vote: you are one whose opinion I particularly respect. I'll do my level best as admin. Happy editing! Antandrus 00:41, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hostility

I do not undertsand how to resolve my removal from wikipedia by two users you are familiar. --Cool Cat 01:51, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Stereotek and Davenbelle, are still reverting my edits. They annoy me and Ill let the admins deal with them. I tried. I want them to decide who they want to spare them or me. Their petty Armenian Genocide article has had little progress due to their presonal attacks against me. You know how the disccussion was going. They want to dictate the article and I cannot allow that.All my edits remotely related to Turkey are reverted, no matter what I put in, anyone else cant be pov, only I am POV, as appears. I am sorry, I lived there, I KNOW what they believe in. Just because Stereotek and Davenbelle dont like me doesnt give them the right to do what they are doing. At the end of this mess, either they will stop or I will leave wikipedia, preferably with all my contrabutions as I currently dont feel welcome. --Cool Cat 02:44, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • I like this. --Cool Cat 02:29, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

from gurp13

Hi Tony, Thanks for the welcome. I *am* new to Misplaced Pages, though I've heard of it before and even visited a few times. But, recently I thought I'd try and get involved here and there. I'm a quick learner and my mother always taught me to be polite.  :-) Thanks for the kind words.

Arbitration case - Baku Ibne, et al.

The arbitration committee would like to formally thank you for your work in cleaning up the evidence in this case. This was a great help and we very much appreciate your assistance. Regards -- sannse (talk) 18:06, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Dear Tony! I am deeply grateful to you for your role in my case against Rovoam and Baku_Ibne/LIGerasimova. I wouldn’t make it without moral and factual support by other Wikipedians, and particularly, You. THANK YOU!..--Tabib 06:58, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

George Bush

As you can see this needs to stop, I recommend locking that page. How many edits are vandal, anti vandal?

Well its a disambig page, does not change, ever. why not lock it? :P --Cool Cat 10:38, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If you insist. --Cool Cat 11:20, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mummy

Last night I lost connection while I wrote you a message, so I'll try again. I saw on the Cleanup Taskforce that you have an interest in history. I don't know exactly what period, but maybe you want to help. While a peer review request has helped in finding some areas which need work, someone said it (especially the Egyptian part) was just too short. Personally, I want to write a seperate entry on Egyptian burials, so those only need to be linked. Could you give some specific things you think need to be included? Mgm| 08:10, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

Chick Publications

Thanks for the heads up, Tony, and for keeping an eye on it. I've unprotected and will keep my fingers crossed. Cheers, Cecropia | explains it all ® 15:35, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bleed Like Me

Hi,

Now that the album has been released, I think it's important that the page be unprotected. I'm not sure of the best way of dealing with the conflict over release dates, but I don't think that indefinite protection is a viable solution.

Acegikmo1 19:11, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response. Acegikmo1 00:41, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Accidental edits on my template

I noticed you made some accidental edits to one of my templates. I suspect you clicked EDIT on some other user's talk page and mysteriously ended up editing my template. If you happen to remember the user you were trying to edit, can you post it on my talk page? There's some weird wiki behavior going on and I'm trying to fix the cause. Knowing the user name will help immensely. Feco 22:29, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the info.. I fixed the problem. You are right... {{User:Feco/cats}} allows users to click EDIT and get to my template. {{subst:User:Feco/cats}} drops a static copy on the other user's edit page. I've been working on cleaning up this problem for a while, but it occasionally still pops up.Feco

You deleted my Churchill site

I got a message it was gone but no reason

Mike Garcia and Bleed Like Me

Are you the right person to go to about this? You seem to have dealt with it so far.

Anyway, I hate to do this, but now that you have unlocked Bleed Like Me, User:Mike Garcia has again edited the agreed version of the album release dates and record label and replaced it with his own less informative version (though has 'hidden' it in other edits).

I've changed it back (was this the right thing to do?), but I don't think it'll be long before he reverts it again

Sorry to trouble you.

81.174.247.96 19:06, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As predicted, Mike has reverted it and left a hostile message on my talk page. I've had enough; I'm not going to bother editing the article again. In fact, I think I might just stop my occassional edits to Misplaced Pages altogether. 81.174.247.96 20:08, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Concur with the above — he's reverting ridiculously. Why is everyone pussyfooting around this troll? Wally 21:19, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nazi Japan?

The Nazi Japan article was pretty funny eh? We had a good laugh about it in #wikipedia chat. Danny Ng 21:31, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

VfD on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Rankings

WP:POINT or not, I'd be fine with ending the VfD; I don't, however, want to mess-up whomever's archiving scheme... suggestions? Feel free... — Davenbelle 12:27, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

User:Dr Zen/keepschools

The discussion on this template on a user subpage has been moved from WP:TFD to WP:VFD as user:Netoholic closed the discussion in its former location with the comment that TfD is only for entries in the Template: namespace. I have taken the liberty of moving your vote from its former location to the present discussion at Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Dr Zen/keepschools. You may of course change your vote or stikethrough it all together in the normal way. To avoid any allegations of vote stacking I am contacting everybody who voted at TfD and Netoholic who closed the discussion, but not anybody who had not already expressed an opinion. Please feel free to disucss this on my talk page. Thryduulf 14:49, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Also, please give your opinion on the jurisdiction issue, at Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion/Proposal. Radiant_* 15:36, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

I be damned

You are actualy thinking Fadix does not use personal attacks against me? I try to stay civil, I can only handle a level of insults. I cannot mediate this crap, Fadix will stop his insistance on HIS/Someone elses pov regarding Armenian Genocde and deal with me in a civil tone. Cool Cat 15:10, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I am the one declared pulic enemy no 1, its perfectly fine to have material that makes Kurds or Armenians look good, their propoganda and POV are fine, no one has to show sources for their beefed up statistics, or information they add unless they are Coolcat, which I do, still is POV. Dont, tell me to chill. I am perfectly calm. I think its unjust what I am living through. --Cool Cat 15:10, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

They intercept my communications to other users, they comment on their talk page about my "bad conduct" they go great lenghts to find my "POV". I feel like a POW rather than POV-pusher. I should not be the person seeking mediation, they are. I backed donw from a lot of facts of mine. I constantly back down they constantly engage. Them agreeing with me on anything is un heard of. I have to revert something a dozen times for them to accept it. They are wasiting my time. --Cool Cat 15:15, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As someone who is reletively new here but who has reviewed the record an observed your approach to this article - I would have to say that the truth is totally in reverse to what you are portraying. It is most clear that your entire purpose is to ensure that there will be no article on the Armenian Genocide and that if there ever were to be one it would contain information that presents the (shameful and unsupported) Turkish denial of the Genocide on equal footing as the facts that are accepted by scholars of all nations (except those who are either Turkish or explicitly funded by Turkey) and the historical record of the time, including that of all available archives of nations involved - and we are talking literally of thousands and thousands of documents from eywitnesses of the time (including Turkish allies) that document such. But nooooo - not good enough for you - you insist that the Turkish David Irvings and Faurrisons of the world be given an equal voice. Well when the Holocaust article/discssion gives an equal voice to those who deny it - that is when the Armenian Genocide section should do the same - not before - otherwise - nada. You are doing your best to derail any possibility of an article presenting the Genocide in a factual manner and I have to agree with you on this one - stop wasting your time...and stop wasting ours...--THOTH 17:02, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:212.100.250.219

Hello. This user has been spamming the Sandbox with messages to vote for the Liberal Democratic Party in the UK election. He also sent a message to my talk page that might be spam. I was wondering how we should go about this. Thanks. Zscout370 18:09, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Titanic

Don't misunderstand me; I've seen the movie; I love it; I think Kate Winslet is beautiful in it. I also think that image could perhaps find a place in the article; but not where it sits now. I just don't have time to fix the article myself tonight. Someone who really cares about the issue should, instead of fighting tangential censorship debates. +sj + 00:50, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Titanic Movie Leo Kate Kiss.jpg

I posted this on the image talk page: I don't know, but this graphic doesn't look like it is high-quality. Maybe my monitor is a little fuzzy, but while it is a large graphic, it isn't that clear and is probably not an official publicity still. MicahMN | Talk 03:28, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RE:Darwin

Hey, Tony Sidaway. To save a back-and-forth editing dispute, I just wanted to suggest here that "Darwin" should redirect to "Darwin (disambiguation)". I didn't know that that disambiguation page existed, and I'm surprised that it was not already linked to. As it is, there are now two disambiguation pages: the aforementioned, and "Charles Darwin (disambiguation)". Surely maintaining both is ridiculous, and I nominate that they be merged under "Darwin (disambiguation)".--Cyberjunkie 11:17, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks for fixing all the Darwin (city) links. Dabbing isn't the funnest thing around...--Cyberjunkie 11:22, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think that the disambig redirect is the best option, and something that perhaps should have been done in the first place. It's only since Darwin became the Australian COTF that I became interested in the article, and I am unaware of who, stupidly, deleted the page.

And I'd never wish to slight Charles Darwin, if you thought I was. I greatly respect his work, as do most Australians - hence we named a city after him! ;) But (and I might be biased) the city of Darwin, too, is a popular topic, and will eventually become more popular as the city grows and as the articles expand. It is an important city, historically, and presently - especially with regards the S-E Asia.--Cyberjunkie 11:36, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Publicity stills

Yeah, those are usually kosher here. So long as they're accurately sourced and are no bigger than they need to be, Misplaced Pages normally accepts these. – Quadell 12:52, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

W. Churchill

Thanks for blocking the POV warrior. I expect it is safe to unprotect Ward Churchill now; the admin that protected it appears to be gone for a few days. Best, -- Viajero 18:30, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sigh, I guess I spoke to soon. Another sockpuppet at it again: user:GuterBuyh. -- Viajero 20:35, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Already two more sockpuppets. I guess he has a variable IP address. Please reprotect ASAP. -- Viajero 20:40, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

An apology

Tony, I wanted to apologize to you, since it's obvious my words did offend you, and since I agree that I used phrasings and insinuations that were much too harsh and abrasive. I usually try to be a voice of moderation and care, and I didn't do that on this issue: I hope you will forgive me for my outbursts, and recognize that, even in my frustration, I didn't consciously intend to offend anyone. That, of course, doesn't absolve me in any way for having done so, but it is the truth.

I also wanted to leave you a note because I wanted to explain how it feels from my end: at first there was the autofellatio flap, which I disagreed with you on (but eventually made my peace with). But now it feels as though that decision has opened the door for an increasing number of pictures of nude or partially nude people here on Misplaced Pages. It feels to me (and perhaps I'm wrong), that when someone makes the fairly simple statement that they think the image isn't suitable, or that it's too offensive or shocking for an article, they're immediately met with the accusation that this is nothing but "petty prudery" or something of the sort. The constant feeling I have in reading your posts and the posts of others is that this is a difference of opinion in which you are right and progressive, and I am backwards and embarrasingly unsophisticated. You may well not intend me to feel this way, but it is how I react (and I often feel that this emotion on my part is intended by the posts I'm reading). And so I react with my own ammunition about how I see this as childish or politically motivated...and I really do apologize for that, because I agree, I can sit here calmly and look at this and see how someone can simply say "it's breasts, it's no big deal to me". But I feel as though, if I admit this in the discussions, it's giving carte blanche for Misplaced Pages to let in these pictures because they're "just breasts" and I don't think that's right.

I do sincerely regret having suggested that the issue was more simple than it is, or that you and the others have some sinister agenda going on here. But I hope that you and other picture advocates will accept that the issue is not as simple as "it's just breasts", and that the push to add these photos can feel agenda-driven to those of us (apparently a distinct minority) who oppose them. That's not to say it excuses my behavior or anyone else's, but I think both sides can give a little more than they have been. The recent compromise (if it sticks) on the Winslet photo is, I hope, a good example of give-and-take: I hope you see it as one, at least. I don't think we'll be able to find that every time, and I'm willing to accept that there will be photos of nudity on Misplaced Pages in some places where it's clearly warranted and the image is important to the article. I hope you will agree that, while nudity is "no big deal" to you, it can be to others, and it probably does deserve to be considered differently than an image of a flower, say, or even a woman's face. But if you don't, I can hardly force you to agree. :-)

I'm almost certainly taking a wikibreak to deal with the stress -- obviously I've not behaved well here in the last few days and that's more detrimental to the project than anything I complain about. So you won't have me to worry about for a few weeks: enjoy the break, I guess. :-) Best regards, Tony, and again, I sincerely do apologize for my inflammatory and offensive remarks. Jwrosenzweig 19:38, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

In looking at a couple of other pages, I realize you've been the target of some pretty out-there activism from my side. I thought I'd add the comment that perhaps I show up to these discussions too late: I see comments others make out of their frustration with truly "petty prudes" and take offense because I feel included in their statements....then blast out with my own brand of personal attack. I don't know if it means anything, but I'm realizing the argument has happened many more places than I knew.

Also, I forgot to offer this before. If you feel that any remarks I made rose to the level of a personal attack (I didn't intend them to be, but I think it's at least possible that they did so in spite of my intentions), please do block me 24 hours for doing so. Having seen the consequences of arbitration first-hand, I have always insisted to others that I wanted to behave as though I was on "revert parole" and "personal attack parole" (so that I can have a clear conscience about holding others to those standards). If anyone gives you trouble for blocking me, please refer them to this email er...I meant, "comment"....sorry. And if they still won't let you, email me and I'll simply abstain from Misplaced Pages for the necessary time. Best regards again, Jwrosenzweig 19:53, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

{User} template

Hi, is there any particular reason you are using this with "subst" (e.g on WP:PP)? You don't need to, and it just causes page bloat. (The bloat on WP:VIP was so bad I was moved to change the instructions there to remove the "subst".) Same goes for {Article}, of course. Noel (talk) 21:42, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Homosexuality

<Urkel voice> Did I do that? </urkel voice> Juppiter 00:39, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User talk

Please see here, --SqueakBox 01:21, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC).

My understanding is that as it is Solana's second Spanish surname he would never be actually referred to as Javier Madariaga (while I may be wrong, I bet I know more about Spanish than the vandal). On reflection, and perhaps in a moment of paranoia, I yesterday also created Francisco Javier Madariaga, Javier Solana de Madariaga and Francisco Javier Solana de Madariaga, all equally unlikely, all as redirects to Javier Solana. Why? Solana, when I first discovered it, had been sitting for a month with an outdated copy of the article somebody had changed from the redirect. Said person had also created Francisco Javier Solana Madariaga and Javier Solana Madariaga for vandalism purposes. Curps disambiguated Solana, I Vfd the other 2 but it was pointed out that it is better to have them as redirects that we can watch, which is what they are. If the vandal had been smart yesterday they would have created Javier Madariaga as a single edit from a separate IP address, thus making it almost impossible to trace, hence my paranoid creating as many variations as possible to prevent a smart vandal from doing so. So this whole redirects business has a history, --SqueakBox 15:27, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

anon IPs

You probably shouldn't block anon IPs indefinitely, especially if they are just dynamic IPs like the Solana IPs appear to be (BellSouth). -- Curps 01:59, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Talk

No problem. See Talk:Titanic (1997 movie). Best wishes, Meelar (talk) 02:59, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Titanic

Tony, I don't get into edit wars either. I've worked very hard to try to create a concensus on that page where the interests of the article are served without offending a significant portion of our readership. I thought we had accomplished that. Clearly there is a significant number of people that don't want that picture on the article. They may be a minority, but they are a significant minority and their voice is important. Adding the picture in to the award section does not improve the artcle in any way and does nothing more than tick off more people.

I'm removing Titanic from my watch list. You win. Put whatever you want in the article. Who cares about community or unity or consensus anyway, right? I don't have a dog in this fight anymore. Kevin Rector (talk) 03:58, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Tony, I appologize for the tone of the last paragraph. It was inappropriate, I was frustrated. I do believe that you inserting the image back into the article without it first being discussed on the talk page was the wrong thing to do. But as far as I'm concerned it's water under the bridge now. Like I said, my dogs have all limped home. Kevin Rector (talk) 20:15, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Article: Bihar

Hello Tony, I quote below the messages I have posted on the Talk pages of User:Sundar User:Nichalp and User:Mel Etitis QuoteI find that the article Bihar has been edited by some one and changed to Bihar (India), and other articles with the same name has been also referred to there. I feel this is not a wise step. The matter requires assistance and discussions so that the article Bihar gets its former name. Please try to do something.--Bhadani 03:49, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC) PS- I have posted the following on discussion page of article bihar: quoteThe edits of 17 April 2005 by Hottentot has been reverted by me as already there was a section in the article Bihar – Bihar (disambiguation) and as such there was no justifiable reason to change the main character by the name Bihar. The edits regarding Bihar by Hottentot are being placed in the section Bihar (disambiguation) . Here, it is also pertinent to note that though wikipedia sets its own standard, but even in Enclopaedia Britannica Bihar has been separately dealt with, and in my humble opinion the case with wikipedia should not be different. The article Bihar represents a state of India and 100 million people reside in Bihar and Bihar has a recorded history of 2500 years. In any case, the position of Bihar as a separate article was already accepted by the community of wikipedians as the legend Bihar (disambiguation) was there along with the main article of Bihar.

I trust that the position has been clarified.Unquote

I find this article has again been reverted by Hottentot. Please try to do something. Thanks.UNQUOTE

I request for your assistance in resolving the issue. Thanks.--Bhadani 05:16, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Article Bihar, fresh developments

Please also see (http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Bihar) - thanks, --Bhadani 08:24, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Old sigs

Be prepared for some flak that may be heading your way. The old sig format that was rendered redundant by the latest release of MediaWiki is now screwing up the edit function. Some of your old sigs weren't corrected when the change happened (I've just cleaned some up on the English/American language differences talk page). I'm just going through my edit list to track down my old mistakes, but I expect I'll get spoken to. Cheers. Noisy | Talk 12:07, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm afraid I had to clean up one (actually, I just nowiki'ed because I was in a rush) yesterday at Talk:Scientology. -- Antaeus Feldspar 00:00, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Article - Bihar

Article Bihar - Issue resolved, thanks

Dear User:Hottentot and User:Mel Etitis User:Tony Sidaway User:Sundar User:Nichalp - Article Bihar related issue since resolved. (http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Bihar), section Bihar (http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Bhadani) - Thanks to you all.--Bhadani 14:38, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

FYI borderline impersonation and it looks like two more Ward Churchill sockpuppets

They were putting the exact super POV version of the article into the /Temp version

• FYI User:Sideways is a borderline impersonation of you and his user page is exactly the super POV version of the Ward Churchill article.
• And User:Haussaud was vandalizing redirect versions of the article with the super POV version over on Ward Leroy Churchill though he does go to the trouble of claiming ignorance after Rhobite cleaned it up.

zen master T 06:29, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

favor to ask

Hi, could you archive the Ward Churchill talk page? It is now ~100k and causing problems for some people like Chip. Under normal circumstances, I would take care of such a chore without further thought, but given the environment I don't want to be accused of "censoring" the discussion. Thanks. -- Viajero 18:02, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Never mind, zen-master took care of it. -- Viajero 18:30, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Page Protection

The Ward Churchill article is being attacked by a user who just changes anything written without any justification that refers to the substance of the article. His changes includes assertions of fact that are just false. I think the page should protected again, are you able to do that? TonyMarvin 02:31, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

TDC/Dagen

Hi, as you may be aware, Dagen is in all likeliehood a sockpuppet of TDC. As you may aware, TDC was banned for 24 hours Monday evening for breaking the 3RR, the fourth time in a month, and comments he made on the 3RR page and my talk page indicate he is conciously trying to "game" the system, and such sockpuppetry will only make things worse. I am wondering if stronger measures aren't needed. Do you think an RfA listing would be appropriate at this point? It seems to me we are past the RfC stage. Thanks, -- Viajero 11:14, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I asked him. He denied. it. My suspicious arose because of identical edits to Pablo Neruda this morning. I looked at Dagen's contributions (he just started a couple hours ago) and they bear all the hallmarks of TDC's POV-pushing. Ok, if you think an RfA listing is premature for TDC, then I guess we should prepare an RfC. -- Viajero 11:40, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/TDC-2: any help you can give would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Viajero 13:54, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Howdy, Tony. I am watching the RfC and Mediation processes regarding TDC with interest. I consider myself one of the many people TDC has accosted multiple times since our editing paths first crossed back in October of 2004. As is typical of him, he reverted the same article 22 times on the same day, all while refusing multiple requests to engage in discussion of his reverts . Multiple admins were brought in, pages were protected, and TDC quietly backed away without ever explaining his actions, other than claiming he was supposedly reverting away POV content. He would return to the same articles again several months later with the identical repetitive revert plan, but this time claiming plagiarized content. Again, after being educated on his misconception of the definition of plagiarism, he quietly slithered away. We've had brief skirmishes elsewhere, where he has called me an "idiot," "stupid," and used thinly veiled threats such as "I used an advanced IP trace. I know your name home adress and telphone number." Even though he has vowed to "drive me away from Misplaced Pages," he has wisely avoided conflict with me over the last few months. Yet I'm still on his shit list, as evidenced by his comments as recently as today. Some day, he plans to "nail" me. *rolls eyes* I once played the roll of semi-apologist for TDC, while trying to find a way to retain his constructive input while curbing his distructive behavior. To no avail. He accepted the 3RR block penalties against him; waited out the complaints against him, and was soon right back at it. When pressured, TDC will bend just enough to take the heat off himself. After a little time has passed, he'll be right back to his usual antics. Hence my note to you here. Just a little warning to not get your hopes up about acheiving any lasting change in TDCs destructive behavior. You have my best wishes in support of your endeavor nonetheless. -Rob 21:05, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Terrorism

First, I think you should be careful not to attribute the items in question to Irishpunktom; Brandon actually wrote those parts. Irishpunktom's purpose there is only to revert me. He often does this; if I revert an article he has edited recently, he'll go around looking for articles I've edited, and revert me on them. Here's a classic example where he actually reverts me after I reverted a vandal at Adolf Hitler: He actually did it twice, and then had the nerve to claim he was making justifable edits. Second, the issue here is confusing mass murderers with terrorists; terrorists take action on behalf of a particular group, but the examples cited do not. Jayjg 16:37, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup Taskforce: Italian unification

Tony -- I noticed you also are interested in politics. Italian unification was assigned to me and I have done a fair bit of editing and restructuring, but I am still not entirely happy with it, especially the structure of the top part of the article. Thought I would place it on your desk as a "secondary referral" if you will, to see if you think anything else can be done with it. I've looked at the talk page for the article and there does seem to be a fairly active community of contributors so I'm a little leery of going too far and getting folks' knickers in a bunch, but anyway. That can be dealt with if necessary. If you can't/don't want to have a look, just take it off your desktop. Cheers! · Katefan0 22:06, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

I didn't create Oral sex (no pictures)

Perhaps you find it too fantastic to imagine more than one prude in the world, but that is emphatically not my page. I said that it was an unideal solution which I was satisfied with enough to drop my complaint. I don't know anything about India. User:Chakravyuh is not me. This is not some spat I'm having over "my" page being deleted. Cool Hand Luke 10:23, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Differences between American and European politics?

We were having this discussion a while back...stumbled onto this...thought you might want to read it...serves no purpose really and I'm not trying to pick a fight...later...--MONGO 12:33, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse (no pictures) copyright violation

I've recently submitted the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse (no pictures) article up as a copyright violation. This was after it was brought to my attention that the article uses the template:photo warning and I was unable to figure out how to modify the template to provide a link to the correct history. The (no pictures) page provides a version of the article dynamically sourced from the other article. There is a history attached to the no pictures version, but rather than providing the history for the displayed text it provides a misleading history for the dynamic inclusion commands. The GFDL under which wikipedia is licensed requires that attribution be maintained for every article. Because of the misleading history this is not being done for the (no pictures) page.

Unfortunatly, the same people who have insisted on keeping the (no pictures) version of Abu Ghraib jumped on my wp:cp notice claiming that I was disrupting wikipedia to prove a point. This is not the case, as the text is in violation of copyright and this violation must be considered seperatly from the other discussion related to the no pictures page. Proving a point would be making (no pictures) versions of many articles, or making myself a contributor to the article so that I could issue a demand for quick removal of the offending text... In any case, it was not my intention to prove a point, and I think that the people who are disagreeing with me are conviently misunderstanding policy. I put the copyright notice back on once in the hopes that there would be some agreement once I more fully explained why it was a violation, but it was put right back, so I won't be marking it as a violation again.

I've contacted User:Korath on his talk page on the matter, because he seems to be an advocate of the use of the photo warning template... but after reviewing his other contributions, I don't feel confident that he will make a good faith effort to resolve the copyright issue here because it seems that he considers protecting users from objectionable content to be a more important goal than other matters. </strink> (I was wrong on that one, he was quite helpful...) --Gmaxwell 18:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I thought it would be useful to contact you on this matter since you have a notiably cool head about such issues, and because you've been a contributor to the article.. I'd like to hear what you think about the copyright issue. Thanks. --Gmaxwell 17:55, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)