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Please do not add nonsense to Misplaced Pages, as you did to the Ashkenazi Jews page. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. ←Humus sapiens 21:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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What part of the previous message you did not understand? The same story in Template:Italian ethnicity. Without consensus your changes won't stick. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens 21:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

English people pic

I like your version of the English people picture. Just one thing, do you think we could have at least one woman? Someone from an ethnic minority would be a good idea as well. What do you think? Alun 10:13, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

image onTemplate:Infobox Jew

please review Talk:Jew to understand the coordination and collaboration that took place in choosing the image for the temple (the section "Collage image", "Ashkenazi-centric portrait collage", "Smaller collage" and later "Come one now! How are those pictures fair?" which was a reaction to your edits). This is not to say we are not open to other idea for collage but please talk about on the talk page first. While wikipedia is not an bureaucracy it is also not an anarchy but works by its own rules which you much understand in order to be a valued contributor. I hope that you continue to edit wikipedia, but please "play nice" and understand that you are not the only person trying to make wikipedia the best encyclopedia it can be. Jon513 20:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Wrong address

I did not remove the image. As you can see, I am not alone rejecting it. I would suggest you listen to what people say and try to improve. Using elbows won't work. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens 11:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hours later, and you still did not revert. OK, I will let it go this first time, because you are a new user, and in the spirit of good faith. Nobody is against a good photo collage, but a few problems with yours are:

• • You forgot to include women. At least Golda Meir and Ayn Rand should be there.
  • Do not replace image in the article Jew with the image from Ashkenazi Jews. See Sephardi Jews.
  • Please find some more encyclopedic photo of Einstein - he looks like a freak.
  • License: I don't think PD applies. ←Humus sapiens 20:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Ownership

Please see WP:OWN and learn our WP:RULES. ←Humus sapiens 19:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Discuss the Ashkenazi_Jews collage here

Talk:Ashkenazi_Jews. Click on "discussion" at the Ashkenazi Jews page. Remember the three reverts rule. --Metzenberg 17:31, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

You've just made a 4th revert on the Ashkenazi Jews page. That violates the Misplaced Pages 3Rs rule. --Metzenberg 20:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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Italian people image

Indeed, it looks far better now. Good job. I hope you continue making useful contributions. Sicilianmandolin 16:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Ashkenazi Jews

I have protected the page to stop an edit war from disrupting this page. Please discuss this matter on the article's talk page. I would suggest consulting the association of members' advocates or the mediation cabal if you find yourself having difficulty discussing this matter by yourself. Best, --Shirahadasha 17:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Got your note. The page is currently protected for the time being, so no-one can edit it for now. Please explain on Talk:Ashkenazi Jews why you think the set of pictures you are proposing is a better choice. Best, --Shirahadasha 18:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, please be sure to use the signature button on the edit tools or to add four tildes (~~~~) after your message. This "signs" your name and creates a link to your user page. Best, --Shirahadasha 18:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks like you were outvoted on this one - some of the other editors who weighed in are regular editors on the page and they would probably have visited it anyway. No worries -- these things happen. Suggest finding something else to help out with or another article of interest for the time being. Best, --Shirahadasha 14:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi! It's usually wise to assume good faith on the part of other editors -- helps maintain civility and a pleasant environment for everyone. Best, --Shirahadasha 00:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

A final thought. I wanted to thank you for coming up with the idea of adding a collage of pictures as a way to help spruce up the article. It's a really good touch. It adds a lot to the way the article looks. Even if others wanted to change some of the individual pictures, having a collage was your idea and you've made a lasting improvement. Best, --Shirahadasha 01:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou, you can take of the protection now. Thanks for stoping the Edit-War there.M.V.E.i. 21:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hi friend

Can you add your opinion here? http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Sandstein#.5B.5BUser:Beatles_Fab_Four.5D.5D

Tnank you, my dear friend! Don't let neo-Nazis raise thei heads! The truth is on our side. We will win. 193.232.195.136 17:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Take a look. I tried to be politicaaly correct. Hope it's well done.

Those Estonians who we argue with are eated with self-hate. They know that their grandfathers from the forest brothers and the ss were creeps, and the fact that those creeps lost makes them even more self-hated. They will say enything to reduce their shame somehow. M.V.E.i. 21:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Bronze_Soldier_of_Tallinn For some who try to forget and rewrite the history 85.140.243.184 21:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

They try to raise their heads again. Unbelievable. Take a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_evasion_of_Beatle_Fab_Four Beatle Fab Four 22:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Your recent actions

Misplaced Pages is not forum or soapbox (WP:NOT), not is it a battleground (WP:NOT#Misplaced Pages is not a battleground). Users are required to be civil and use civil language - "people must act with civility toward one another" (WP:CIV). Also, please stop edits to talk archive pages, they are called "Archives" for a reason.

You have been neither civil or reasonable - and you haven't used your edit rights for bettering Misplaced Pages. Instead you are pushing your very highly POV views (which differ significantly from any source in the world, including Soviet and Russian sources. Next time, please try to give some sources to outrageous claims).

What am I talking about? These: , , , , , , - I will not go to older edits then few days, though.

Now, as for user Beatles FF, I did not ask for his block - although, I have started to suspect that it was the best solution. His highly insulting edit summaries, promotion of racial hatred, edit warring without giving any reasons, refusing to discuss things without YELLING, bold and civilly ("Well, I get bored of your annoying comments.", "I presume you are a denier of the Holocost"), editing/deleting others and his own comments, refusing to accept even mildest criticism and taking it as a personal attack... I seriously doubt that he would have become a good editor and contributor to Misplaced Pages in the near future.

As for you, I do hope that you can find it in your heart to become civil, calm and reliable editor, who can meaningfully contribute to Misplaced Pages, always following NPOV guidelines, giving sources to your edits in articles - or sources to your claims in talk pages. DLX 16:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

DLX, i have been there, i took part in the arguments so don't try to fool me. Your comments were really ennoying because they were full of lies you wrote to make you feel better about your nationality. He already became a good editor, he deleted lies you wrote. He fought against vandalism, because you writing lies in articles is vandalism. My sources are the most real sorces in the world, my family in which everybody fought at The Great Patriotic War 1941-1945, and those who were under Nazi occupation and saw it all. M.V.E.i. 16:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Please at least try to be calm and reasonable, I don't think it is too much to ask. Now, can you give some examples of my "lies" in both talk pages and in article, because as far as I know, I haven't said or inserted anything unsourced. Also, your family is not an acceptable source for Misplaced Pages, we really rather have verifiable sources here. And another thing - please give an example of few "good edits" done by Beatles Fab Four. DLX 16:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

If you want good edits then check out all the times that Fab Four deleted your lies from articles. Examples of youre lies? easy:

Claiming Estonian SS was "didnt have a politcle wing" (Yeah, right, so they insisted to have the SS initials in their name because they liked the combination of the letters), claiming that the Estonian SS didnt kill any Jews (Thought the Estonians started the Holocaust in Estonia even before the Germans arrived their), and there was many other lies you wrote their, i just gave the to examples that came to my mind. M.V.E.i. 16:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Please, let us stay on one talk page, easier for us both.

Now, here is the edit list for user Beatles Fab Four: . Please go though that and give examples where he "deleted my lies".

I am not sure what you mean by "didnt have a politcle wing", as I am not familiar with the word "politcle". But, being WWII expert that you are, you must know that no Estonian was a member of Nazi party nor did any Estonian belong to SS-proper, only Waffen-SS. Like I quoted in the talk page:

The Nuremberg Trials, in declaring the Waffen SS a criminal organisation, explicitly excluded conscripts in the following terms:

Tribunal declares to be criminal within the meaning of the Charter the group composed of those persons who had been officially accepted as members of the SS as enumerated in the preceding paragraph who became or remained members of the organisation with knowledge that it was being used for the commission of acts declared criminal by Article 6 of the Charter or who were personally implicated as members of the organisation in the commission of such crimes, excluding, however, those who were drafted into membership by the State in such a way as to give them no choice in the matter, and who had committed no such crimes.

In April 13, 1950, a message from the U.S. High Commission in Germany (HICOG), signed by John McCloy to the Secretary of State, clarified the US position on the "Baltic Legions": they were not to be seen as "movements", "volunteer", or "SS". In short, they were not given the training, indoctrination, and induction normally given to SS members. Subsequently the US Displaced Persons Commission in September 1950 declared that:

The Baltic Waffen SS Units (Baltic Legions) are to be considered as separate and distinct in purpose, ideology, activities, and qualifications for membership from the German SS, and therefore the Commission holds them not to be a movement hostile to the Government of the United States.

It is simply ridiculous to think, that U.S. High Commission in Germany or Nurenberg Trials would have declared anything like that if there would have been even minor suspicion that the Baltic Waffen SS Units would have been involved in holocaust.

As for your repeated claim, that "the Estonians started the Holocaust in Estonia even before the Germans arrived", that is very clearly just a lie. See History of the Jews in Estonia - let me quote some relevant passages to you from there:

• Approximately 200 Jews fought in combat in the Estonian War of Independence (1918-1920) for the creation of the Republic of Estonia. 70 of these men were volunteers. The creation of the Republic of Estonia in 1918 marked the beginning of a new era in the life of the Jews.

• From the very first days of her existence as a state, Estonia showed her tolerance towards all ethnic and religious minorities. This set the stage for energetic growth in the political and cultural activities of Jewish society.

• The cultural autonomy of minority peoples is an exceptional phenomenon in European cultural history. Therefore Jewish cultural autonomy was of great interest to global Jewish community. The Jewish National Endowment Keren Kajamet presented the Estonian government with a certificate of gratitude for this achievement.

• The peaceful and active life of the small Jewish community in Estonia came to an abrupt halt in 1940 with the Soviet occupation of Estonia. Cultural autonomy in addition to all of its institutions was liquidated in July 1940. In July and August of the same year all organisations, associations, societies and corporations were closed. A large group of Jews (about 400) were deported into prison camps in Russia by the Soviet authorities on June 14, 1941.

• Round-ups and killings of Jews began immediately following the arrival of the first German troops in Estonia in the summer of 1941, who were closely followed by the extermination squad Einsatzkommando (Sonderkommando) 1A, part of Einsatzgruppe A. Arrests and executions continued as the Germans advanced through Estonia. About 75% of Estonia's Jewish community, aware of the fate that otherwise awaited them, had managed to escape to the Soviet Union; virtually all the remainder (between 950 and 1000 men, women and children) were killed before the end of 1941. Fewer than a dozen Estonian Jews are known to have survived the war in Estonia.

• From 1944 until 1988 the Estonian Jewish community, as elsewhere in the territories controlled by the Soviet Union, had no organisations, associations nor even clubs. The Soviet authorities were intolerant towards Zionism and all Jewry was generally equalled with Zionism.

So... let us see. Cultural independence, tolerance towards all ethnic and religious minorities, certificate of gratitude. Then, Soviets occupied Estonia and immediately sent 400 (or 500, number varies in different sources) Jews to prison camps. Very few of them were seen alive ever again.

75% of the rest fled to Soviet Union, as it was only way to go (actually, some escaped to Sweden, too - but I cannot find quickly a source for that. Nor is it relevant just now.). Germans came - and murdered the remaining Jews, no surprises there.

Soviets came back again. No cultural independence, no tolerance towards all ethnic and religious minorities, no organisations, associations nor even clubs.

Perestroika and Estonia regains independence:

• Jewish Cultural Society was established in Tallinn. It was the first of its kind in the entire Soviet Union. Exceptionally in the Soviet Union, there were no problems with registering either the society or its symbols. The Society began by organising concerts and lectures. Soon the question of founding a Jewish school surfaced. As a start, a Sunday school was established in 1989. The Tallinn Jewish Gymnasium on Karu Street was being used by a vocational school. In 1990, a Jewish School with classes 1 through 9 was established.

• Jewish culture clubs, which remained under the wing of the Cultural Society, were started in Tartu, Narva and Kohtla-Järve. Other organisations followed; the sports society Maccabi, the Society for the Gurini Goodwill Endowment and the Jewish Veterans Union. Life returned to the Jewish congregation. Courses in Hebrew were re-established. Thanks to the Jewish communities of Israel and other countries a relatively large library was opened.

• The restoration of Estonian independence in 1991 brought about numerous political, economic and social changes. The Jews living in Estonia could now defend their rights as a national minority. The Jewish Community was established in 1992, and its charter was approved on April 11, 1992. Likewise, Estonia has traditionally regarded its Jews with friendship and accommodation. To illustrate this a new Cultural Autonomy Act, based on the 1925 law, was passed in Estonia in October 1993. This law grants minority peoples, such as Jews, a legal guarantee to preserve their national identities.

• In 2005, construction began on a new building in Tallinn, which will house a sanctuary, mikvah, and restaurant, and will be a memorial to the pre-war synagogue. Opening is scheduled for May 2007.

Now... please tell me again, who mistreated Jews? And don't even try to claim that the article is written by "Nazi revisionists", as there are several Jews among the editors of the article - you cannot claim that they would allow any wrong ("Fascist") information to be said about history of the Jews. DLX 17:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

They had a choice, they were the once who chose it. Again, they started the holocaust before the Germans came.

Who cares what they decided in 1950. It was already the cold war offcourse they will try to suck-up to ex-Nazis to tear the Soviet Union from the inside. They were involved in the holocaust, it's a fact, ask any Estonian Jew. Jews always were in every independence movement so somwhere they would be excepted. I saw a ducumentary with Jews from Estonia who menneged to escape with the Soviets, and also Estinian vitnesses, and they told how Estonians closed hundreeds of Jews in every synogoge and burned them down. You're right about what was with the Jews in USSR (I'm half Jewish, my mother is Jewish, and my grand-grandpa set in Jail there for a short time for teaching Hebrew), but nevertheless, the Soviets didn't give to Estonians to make pogroms at Jews. By the way, at the days of the Tallin Liberator reburial there were many interviews with Jews from Estonia telling how Estonians murdered their people then. All the Jewqish community activities in the 80s and 90s was spoonsored by the Jews, and dont forget in 1987-1989 it was still the Soviet Union. Estonia is desperate for world support, thats why for now the Jews are safe there. Offcourse there are Jews among the writers of the article, but there are also Estonians. M.V.E.i. 17:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

You know, you are pushing your personal - and I might add, highly racist - opinion. Come up with a single source of "started the holocaust before the Germans came", because now it has as much base as my claim that President Putin is a Tooth Fairy. And do you really think cold war matters (it had not started during the Nuremberg Trials, fyi), when we are talking about crimes against humanity? How petty-minded can you get? Please look at the sources, the facts... none of them support your version of history, just face it, you are wrong.

And please do not disregard my other questions/replies, that was the favourite tactic of FBB as well - yell really loudly "You all are fascists" and keep repeating it, no matter what is said by others. DLX 17:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

It's a fact and i explained you why and from where i took it. Putin cant be a Tuth Fairy, she's to tall for him. The cold war began when USSR was founded, it just didn't have the name yet. And abou your question, America spreat so much lies about the USSR, like saying Borman is a Russian spy (And todey even they confess it was a lie), and Senathor Joseph MacArthy who even commited crimed against humanity. Infact, USA contenued the previously-stoped cold war already at the Race For Berlin, which the Soviets won. Already at the founding of the United Nations Security Council Britain made shure France will get a seat there so the west could have more seats there (France, the country who lay as a carpet infront of the Nazis). The cold war was always in the air. M.V.E.i. 18:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I think I've done with both this discussion and editing Misplaced Pages for today. There is really no point to discuss this further, as you fail to provide any sources (where is the explanation for "why and from where i took it"?) or even look at any source/information I provide. Estonians have never hated or hurt the Jews, that is a simple fact (fyi, my best friend is a Jew, several Estonian "national treasures" are Jews (Eino Baskin and Eri Klas, for example)). Hopefully in the future you can open your mind for different views - for example, read different history books, all Russian, English and American. You cannot presume all of them are lying. Thank you for the discussion and I hope that our next meeting will be in better circumstances. DLX 18:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

We will prove that DLX is a constant lier. READ THIS DLX

In May 2005, Estonian Prime Minister Andrus Ansip gave a speech while visiting Klooga in which he both condemned the Holocaust and accepted that Estonian citizens were complicit in committing war crimes during WWII: Although these murderers must answer for their crimes as individuals, the Estonian Government continues to do everything possible to expose these crimes. I apologise for the fact that Estonian citizens could be found among those who participated in the murdering of people or assisted in the perpetration of these crimes.

To be continued (with millions of links) 85.140.243.184 18:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

THATS what i was talking about. It's a fact that Estonians, together with Latvians and Lithuenians had the highest precent of population helping to the Nazis in Europe. And DLX saying that the Estonians didn't participate in the German war-crimes, just proves my point, im Psychology this is called denial, one of the most not healthiest in Defence Mechanism. M.V.E.i. 21:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how the Ansip quote makes DLX a lier. The tragic fact is there were Nazi collaborators throughout Europe. The French did not necessarily acquit themselves well, either. All DLX said was Estonia wasn't murdering Jews to make less work for the Nazis when they arrived: which is your contention. All the Baltic states have acknowledged those who were complicit in Nazi crimes. The Latvian president, in fact, just received the highest award which the American Jewish Council bestows.
    Your tirades about Baltic Nazis ("highest percentage of population participating"--your source would be?) are your opinion only.
    I do not deny Russia and her Soviet-era veterans celebrating the victory over Nazism. However, I do deny Russia still insisting the Soviet Union "liberated" the Baltics--and that anything anti-Soviet = anti-(anti-Nazi hero) = Nazi. You have been listening to too much Russian propaganda. You are welcome to believe what you wish, but you are not welcome to spew it without reputable sources to properly substantiate your statements. —  Pēters J. Vecrumba 07:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

The Balts started murdering Jews so when German arrive they will see how loytal they are. YOU have been listening to much to Baltic lies that the whole world critisizes. The French colaborate with everybody they are not a role model for a brave nation, but nevertheless, the Balts colaborated more then anybody else. The soviet uniaon Liberated the Baloric states from the Nazis, anyway, the Balts who don't agree with that aw ho dont feel liberated, why dont they agree with that? Because they though that in the Nazi world they would get a place for "loyalty" to the Nazis and finaly will feel "Big People". M.V.E.i.

Please provide evidence citing a respected Jewish organization, say the American Jewish Council or the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which backs up your claim that the Balts were murdering Jews to ingratiate themselves to the Nazis before the Nazis even arrived.

    Don't mistake the initial welcoming of the invading Nazis for eagerly embracing Jew-murderers, it was purely a response to the Soviets having been driven out after a year of the NKVD and Red Army having ravaged the Baltics and its inhabitants. The Nazis had their own plans for subjugating the Baltics, but for the moment, they allowed the national anthems to once again play on the airwaves.

    In reference to Baltic Jews, in that first year of Soviet occupation prior to the Nazi invasion, Stalin had already decimated the Jewish merchant ("bourgeousie") class, liquidating thousands of Jews--murdered or deported to their deaths in Siberia, just like the Balts--before Hitler even arrived. If you had Jewish family or relatives in the Baltics who were murdered during the first Soviet occupation, it was Stalinism, not Nazism, that killed them. —  Pēters J. Vecrumba 15:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

(Ok there are to much Balts spoiling MY talk page). ITS A KNOWN FACT, it's like asking: Find me a link in the internet that fire burns if you touch it, but if you want, please:

http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia/SIG_Newsletter/0703_SIG_April_2003.pdf

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/lithuania1/lithuania1.html and the quotes: Unlike other Nazi-occupied countries, where most Jewish citizens were put to death in gas chambers, a large majority of Jews in the Baltic countries were slaughtered brutally with firearms and other weapons by their Lithuanian, Latvian, and Estonian neighbors (sometimes under German supervision).

Children in the Kovno ghetto, whose friends had been murdered by Lithuanians, wrote in Lithuanian a bitter parody of the national anthem "Lithuania, Our Homeland":

Lithuania, Our Blood-Land May you be accursed for centuries Let your blood flow Like the blood of Jewish children". (and so on)

Another document: http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2005/baltics.htm

Just type Baltic states jews murder in google and you will get more, this are only the forst two.

Finaly, you can read the book Tiggers in the Mudd, written by a Nazi soldier, where he wrote that when they arrived to Estonia all the Jewish houses were already smashed and many Jews were killed.

and there are many more like this! M.V.E.i. 17:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

You, sir, have been disrupting various talk pages with your personal attacks against all and sundry who do not share your particular point of view. This stops now. Once your block expires, you can disagree with whomever you want as strongly as you want, but you will please do it with perfect civility, or you will face decidedly longer blocks. Sandstein 21:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

And the images you uploaded, Image:Honour.JPG, Image:NotGivinUp.JPG and Image:Anti-Vandalism.JPG, have been deleted as blatant copyright infringements. World War II medals are certainly not {{PD-old}}. Sandstein 21:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't write PD-old, i wrote PD-art. Point of view?? You started blocking people and you didn't even learn the case. This Estonian wrote lies, he tried to lie about World War 2 to make himself feel less shame about his nationallity. He wrote such obvious lies, that it was just pure vandalism. You, by blocking us instead of him, took part in this vandalism, because now those few Estonians who write lies there could write anything they want, and there will be no one to stop them. M.V.E.i. 16:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

You, dear sir, are a liar. I am in no way shamed about my "nationallity", perhaps the opposite might apply. How about actually showing where I lied or vandalized the article, instead of using Soviet-style propaganda BS? I have asked for proof from you quite several times by now - you have failed to respond. And you really should apologize to Estonians for your racist remarks. DLX 20:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm proud of mine. You are shames, thats why you lie, to reduce your shame. Examples of lies are when you said Estonian SS didn't kill any Jews, and you had many other like that. M.V.E.i. 21:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Together we will win. We all ordinary Russians condemn Stalin crimes, but this DLX cannot admit elementary things about Estonian WW2 crimes. BTW he constantly purges wiki articles on such crimes. LOVE AND PEACE 85.140.211.200 21:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

We already won, in 1945. The truth is one, and there are to many people that know it, so DLX could not change it. By the way, about the Sandstein or whatever who blocked us, i knew that would happen. He's a German, so i expected it. He didn't say anything to DLX about what he does. M.V.E.i. 21:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Stay cool. Beatle Fab Four 21:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Those Estonians can shout till the morrning, that still won't change the fact there liers. I dont even care about the block, its temporery, the truth is eternal. M.V.E.i. 21:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. you were blocked for violating the 3 revert rule right? check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules i think that fighting vandalizm improves articles. By fighting vandalism and ignoring the 3 revert rule you followed by this rule that i gave you the link to it. M.V.E.i. 21:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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Stop uploading unsourced and copyrighted images

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They are not copyrigted, cmmon is that your way to fight me? Saying on Free-Domains there copyrighted? Nice. Their license were copied excecly as they were writen on their original pages on Misplaced Pages. M.V.E.i. 18:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I am not fighting you. I am trying to make you conform to our policies. You did not specify the images' source, as you must under the image use policy. Please read it, and follow it. These were Soviet medals, and I am quite sure the Soviet government didn't licence anything under a Creative Commons licence. Sandstein 18:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Go to the Soviet Medals page and see. M.V.E.i. 18:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

You mean Orders, decorations, and medals of the Soviet Union? The images displayed there should not be uploaded again. If you want to display then, just link to them, like I do here. Sandstein 19:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok that i didn't know, thanks. M.V.E.i. 20:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

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Listen, you must urgently read and apply our image use policy. The image you uploaded, File:FromSiezd.JPG (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), has no source ("the website" isn't a valid source) and you have improperly tagged it as {{PD-Art}}. It's a contemporary photograph, and obviously not a reproduction of a two-dimensional work of art that is in the public domain. Please bring this image and all the other images you uploaded into compliance with the image use policy immediately. You will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages for any further copyright violations. Sandstein 05:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you spying on my contribution pahe or somthing so you could find a reasin to block me?? I saw it doesnt fit so i deleted it after a few minutes. M.V.E.i. 18:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not trying to find a reason to block you, I'm trying to make you conform to our policies. And no, you did not delete the image, because you cannot. It is still uploaded. Click here to see it. Please bring it into conformance with the WP:IUP immediately. Sandstein 18:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

That i don't know hoe to do, BUT if you like you can do that. I nevertheless de;eted it from the article i have puted it into. If you would like you can explaine me the next thing, what license fits a public domain from the internet. M.V.E.i. 19:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

No, it is important that you know how to handle images properly, or you could get Misplaced Pages into legal trouble. Please read WP:IUP and ask if you have any specific questions. As to your question, if an image is in the public domain, it does not have a licence. It must have a image copyright tag, though. You must now add the correct source of the image to the image page, and then you must apply the correct image copyright tag, which you can select from here. Sandstein 19:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I tried to follow what they say but it still didn't come out right. M.V.E.i. 19:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's wrong. The source link must be outside the template. There is no copyright tag {{CopyrightedFreeUse}}. And why do you think this image is in the public domain? Where does it say so on the website? Sandstein 19:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I know the menneger of the website, it's free alright. Anyway, please help, what licence do i put if it's a free photo from the Internet? M.V.E.i. 16:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The correct tag would be {{PD-author}}. But that you know the manager of the website is not enough. You must only upload Web-found PD images if there is proof, which others can verify, that the image is PD. For instance, a statement on the website that says "our images are public domain". Without such proof, your uploads are presumed to be copyright infringements. Sandstein 18:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Do not troll article talk pages.

This is a final warning. Your recent additions to Talk:Bronze Soldier of Tallinn were removed for containing inflammatory political discourse completely foreign to the article's subject. Misplaced Pages talk pages are not a general discussion forum. See WP:TPG. Repeated trolling of this sort may lead to blocks. Sandstein 18:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)