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Requests for adminship (RfA) is the process by which the Misplaced Pages community decides who will become administrators (also known as admins), who are users with access to additional technical features that aid in maintenance. Users can either submit their own requests for adminship (self-nomination) or may be nominated by other users. Please be familiar with the administrators' reading list, how-to guide, and guide to requests for adminship before submitting your request. Also, consider asking the community about your chances of passing an RfA.

This page also hosts requests for bureaucratship (RfB), where new bureaucrats are selected.

If you are new to participating in a request for adminship, or are not sure how to gauge the candidate, then kindly go through this mini guide for RfA voters before you participate.

One trial run of an experimental process of administrator elections took place in October 2024.

About administrators

The additional features granted to administrators are considered to require a high level of trust from the community. While administrative actions are publicly logged and can be reverted by other administrators just as other edits can be, the actions of administrators involve features that can affect the entire site. Among other functions, administrators are responsible for blocking users from editing, controlling page protection, and deleting pages. However, they are not the final arbiters in content disputes and do not have special powers to decide on content matters, except to enforce community consensus and Arbitration Commitee decisions by protecting or deleting pages and applying sanctions to users.

About RfA

Recent RfA, RfBs, and admin elections (update)
Candidate Type Result Date of close Tally
S O N %
Sennecaster RfA Successful 25 Dec 2024 230 0 0 100
Hog Farm RfA Successful 22 Dec 2024 179 14 12 93
Graham87 RRfA Withdrawn by candidate 20 Nov 2024 119 145 11 45
Worm That Turned RfA Successful 18 Nov 2024 275 5 9 98
Voorts RfA Successful 8 Nov 2024 156 15 4 91

The community grants administrator access to trusted users, so nominees should have been on Misplaced Pages long enough for people to determine whether they are trustworthy. Administrators are held to high standards of conduct because other editors often turn to them for help and advice, and because they have access to tools that can have a negative impact on users or content if carelessly applied.

Nomination standards

The only formal prerequisite for adminship is having an extended confirmed account on Misplaced Pages (500 edits and 30 days of experience). However, the community usually looks for candidates with much more experience and those without are generally unlikely to succeed at gaining adminship. The community looks for a variety of factors in candidates and discussion can be intense. To get an insight of what the community is looking for, you could review some successful and some unsuccessful RfAs, or start an RfA candidate poll.

If you are unsure about nominating yourself or another user for adminship, you may first wish to consult a few editors you respect to get an idea of what the community might think of your request. There is also a list of editors willing to consider nominating you. Editors interested in becoming administrators might explore adoption by a more experienced user to gain experience. They may also add themselves to Category:Misplaced Pages administrator hopefuls; a list of names and some additional information are automatically maintained at Misplaced Pages:List of administrator hopefuls. The RfA guide and the miniguide might be helpful, while Advice for RfA candidates will let you evaluate whether or not you are ready to be an admin.

Nominations

To nominate either yourself or another user for adminship, follow these instructions. If you wish to nominate someone else, check with them before making the nomination page. Nominations may only be added by the candidate or after the candidate has signed the acceptance of the nomination.

Notice of RfA

Some candidates display the {{RfX-notice}} on their userpages. Also, per community consensus, RfAs are to be advertised on MediaWiki:Watchlist-messages and Template:Centralized discussion. The watchlist notice will only be visible to you if your user interface language is set to (plain) en.

Expressing opinions

All Wikipedians—including those without an account or not logged in ("anons")—are welcome to comment and ask questions in an RfA. Numerated (#) "votes" in the Support, Oppose, and Neutral sections may only be placed by editors with an extended confirmed account. Other comments are welcomed in the general comments section at the bottom of the page, and comments by editors who are not extended confirmed may be moved to this section if mistakenly placed elsewhere.

If you are relatively new to contributing to Misplaced Pages, or if you have not yet participated on many RfAs, please consider first reading "Advice for RfA voters".

There is a limit of two questions per editor, with relevant follow-ups permitted. The two-question limit cannot be circumvented by asking questions that require multiple answers (e.g. asking the candidate what they would do in each of five scenarios). The candidate may respond to the comments of others. Certain comments may be discounted if there are suspicions of fraud; these may be the contributions of very new editors, sockpuppets, or meatpuppets. Please explain your opinion by including a short explanation of your reasoning. Your input (positive or negative) will carry more weight if supported by evidence.

To add a comment, click the "Voice your opinion" link for the candidate. Always be respectful towards others in your comments. Constructive criticism will help the candidate make proper adjustments and possibly fare better in a future RfA attempt. Note that bureaucrats have been authorized by the community to clerk at RfA, so they may appropriately deal with comments and !votes which they deem to be inappropriate. You may wish to review arguments to avoid in adminship discussions. Irrelevant questions may be removed or ignored, so please stay on topic.

The RfA process attracts many Wikipedians and some may routinely oppose many or most requests; other editors routinely support many or most requests. Although the community currently endorses the right of every Wikipedian with an account to participate, one-sided approaches to RfA voting have been labeled as "trolling" by some. Before commenting or responding to comments (especially to Oppose comments with uncommon rationales or which feel like baiting) consider whether others are likely to treat it as influential, and whether RfA is an appropriate forum for your point. Try hard not to fan the fire. Remember, the bureaucrats who close discussions have considerable experience and give more weight to constructive comments than unproductive ones.

Discussion, decision, and closing procedures

For more information, see: Misplaced Pages:Bureaucrats § Promotions and RfX closures.

Most nominations will remain active for a minimum of seven days from the time the nomination is posted on this page, during which users give their opinions, ask questions, and make comments. This discussion process is not a vote (it is sometimes referred to as a !vote, using the computer science negation symbol). At the end of the discussion period, a bureaucrat will review the discussion to see whether there is a consensus for promotion. Consensus at RfA is not determined by surpassing a numerical threshold, but by the strength of rationales presented. In practice, most RfAs above 75% support pass.

In December 2015 the community determined that in general, RfAs that finish between 65 and 75% support are subject to the discretion of bureaucrats (so, therefore, almost all RfAs below 65% will fail). However, a request for adminship is first and foremost a consensus-building process. In calculating an RfA's percentage, only numbered Support and Oppose comments are considered. Neutral comments are ignored for calculating an RfA's percentage, but they (and other relevant information) are considered for determining consensus by the closing bureaucrat.

In nominations where consensus is unclear, detailed explanations behind Support or Oppose comments will have more impact than positions with no explanations or simple comments such as "yep" and "no way". A nomination may be closed as successful only by bureaucrats. In exceptional circumstances, bureaucrats may extend RfAs beyond seven days or restart the nomination to make consensus clearer. They may also close nominations early if success is unlikely and leaving the application open has no likely benefit, and the candidate may withdraw their application at any time for any reason.

If uncontroversial, any user in good standing can close a request that has no chance of passing in accordance with WP:SNOW or WP:NOTNOW. Do not close any requests that you have taken part in, or those that have even a slim chance of passing, unless you are the candidate and you are withdrawing your application. In the case of vandalism, improper formatting, or a declined or withdrawn nomination, non-bureaucrats may also delist a nomination. A list of procedures to close an RfA may be found at WP:Bureaucrats. If your nomination fails, then please wait for a reasonable period of time before renominating yourself or accepting another nomination. Some candidates have tried again and succeeded within three months, but many editors prefer to wait considerably longer before reapplying.

Monitors

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In the 2024 RfA review, the community authorized designated administrators and bureaucrats to act as monitors to moderate discussion at RfA. The monitors can either self-select when an RfA starts, or can be chosen ahead of time by the candidate privately. Monitors may not be involved with the candidate, may not nominate the candidate, may not !vote in the RfA, and may not close the RfA, although if the monitor is a bureaucrat they may participate in the RfA's bureaucrat discussion. In addition to normal moderation tools, monitors may remove !votes from the tally or from the discussion entirely at their discretion when the !vote contains significant policy violations that must be struck or otherwise redacted and provides no rational basis for its position – or when the comment itself is a blockable offense. The text of the !vote can still be struck and/or redacted as normal. Monitors are encouraged to review the RfA regularly. Admins and bureaucrats who are not monitors may still enforce user conduct policies and guidelines at RfA as normal.


Current nominations for adminship

Current time is 17:50:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

TREYWiki

(1/7/1); Ended 07:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

TREYWiki (talk · contribs) - Hello, All. My name is Trey, know here as TREYWiki. I have been on Misplaced Pages for a few months now, and I feel I should be and administrator. I have edits all around the board. I like to tag new pages for speedy deletion, and I cringe when I see a page like GEORGE IS STUPID (well, you all know what they really say and I'm not about to put that in my RfA) get put in a backlog at CAT:CSD. I am knowledgeable on policy, I study it sometimes. I would really like the tools of an administrator to deal with the ever-present vandalism on this project. --TREYWiki 02:13, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: I intend to remove the backlog from CAT:CSD, Close AfD's, and monitor AIV. I would keep a watch on WP:UAA. I would love to sit down at try to remove backlogs from administrative pages. I think anything that gets reported/nominated on an administrative page should be taken care of quickly. Vandals make me cringe, and I would like to block them for specifically what they did wrong. Many times I see a vandal requesting a unblock because they didn't know what they did. I would let them know, because I take that extra minute to explain things.--TREYWiki 02:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: By far, my best contributions are to Erie, PA and related articles. I am working extremely hard to get Erie up to GA Class, which I think it is almost ready to be re-nominated for. I have re-written almost the entire article. I work closely with WP:ERIE to give Misplaced Pages more complete coverage of Northwestern Pennsylvania. Also, I believe my many vandalism reverts are good contributions because Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a website for trashing your friends. I monitor RC and the new page feed on a daily basis.--TREYWiki 02:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Now this is the tough question. I am positive you will all cringe and think to oppose me when you see my block log. It almost hurts me to look at it too. I think that the block was a little harsh, but I take responsibly for my actions. Another user came to me with a message accusing Kd lvr and Kdkatpir2 of sock puppetry. I have learned sock puppetry is a very touchy subject. Yes, we did unknowingly violate policy by confronting him and provoking him, but I don't think we were involved in edit wars with him, but this is not the time to contest that. I did not know much policy back then, and If I did, this would have never happened. I can not put into words how much I would have liked never to get involved in this. My words were very harsh, but now I have changed. I apologized on Kd lvr's talk page and I know always assume good faith. My edits are constructive, and I hope it will overcome this conflict. I hope you can trust me out there, I am very sorry for these actions. This was bad on mine and some others parts. We disrupted Misplaced Pages and I can never take that back. I have moved on. I have changed. I am a better person now. Thank your for understanding.--TREYWiki 02:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/TREYWiki before commenting.

Discussion

Support

  1. Moral support: I think you have great intentions and that, with a little time, you could gain the necessary experience. Heed what the opposers have said and see if you can't make yourself a better candidate in a few months' time. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose Too new. Prodego 02:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Oppose Serious concerns about assuming good faith. An administrator is a funnel of complaints. If you can't assume good faith, people only get more angry and a bad situation goes to worse. Sean William 02:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    When I made the bad faith comments, I didn't know about WP:AGF--TREYWiki 02:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    The incident that earned you the block was less than a month ago. If you didn't know about WP:AGF less than a month ago, you need more experience. Sean William 02:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    I have been editing a lot since that block, for many hours a day. I have picked up lots of experience. After I was blocked, I read about every policy out there. --TREYWiki 03:00, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    When you're here at Misplaced Pages, you'll find that knowing policy backwards and forwards won't help you at all if you still don't get the basics. I don't think you do. Sean William 03:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    I defiantly know my way around, I'm a quick learner. I know the basics, but obviously not as much as a seasoned administrator like you. --TREYWiki 03:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Oppose I'm sorry, but two months is way too new; I prefer someone who has been around long enough to show sound knowledge of policies and guidelines. Between the relatively short age of the account and the recent blocking (which is also a concern; great that the editor has taken the lesson to heart, but still a concern), I just can't get behind this RfA. Don't take it personally, though! I've seen admins pass similar hurdles in the past. I'd suggest submitting an editor review in a month or so (to give the reviewing editor more to look at and comment on); take any of that advice to heart and you'll already be on much better ground for a successful RfA. EVula // talk // // 03:13, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Has not shown dedication to the project sufficiently for me to trust this user with the extra buttons, and that block was nowhere near long enough ago for me to reconsider. Daniel 03:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Oppose Candidate does not have experience as an admin at this moment. — z (Talk) (Contribs) Sat 04:15:20 2007-05-19
  6. Oppose strongly suggest withdrawal.--Jersey Devil 05:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Oppose sorry but you are not as good to be an admin.--JasZZZ 05:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Neutral the beginnings of a good editor, but not enough time here, yet. -- Phoenix2 04:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

Booksworm

Final (25/18/6); Ended 11:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Booksworm (talk · contribs) - I have been here for a little over 1 year and a quarter (more exactly 472 days) and I understand how this encyclopaedia (encyclopedia, for those who speak American-English) works and I would like to use the tools given to me as an admin for good purposes... Booksworm Talk to me! 17:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept (is a self-nom, after all) Booksworm Talk to me! 17:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


The candidate has withdrawn:

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: I wish to begin to work in places such as AIV (thereby meaning, taking action against Vandals, instead of just reporting them), to continue my fight against vandalism (using VandalProof, for example) and to help getting rid of pages that are of no consequence and/or benefit to Misplaced Pages
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: This question is quite tought to answer. I feel that my best contributions to this amazing on-line encyclopaedia are essentially my edits/reverts of vandalism using the trusted VandalProof. Why? I feel that Misplaced Pages has to be protected from stupidities that people deem as "fun" to add to Misplaced Pages - because Vandalising Misplaced Pages is "so cool" (Why it is "So Cool" is far beyond my understanding of reality!)
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: There was a conflict between the user Arcayne and I, against the user Viriditas, after I had place one line on the article Children of Men, this line being: "The screen fades and the text "Children of Men" appears on the screen and the sound of laughing children can be heard.". Following this incident, Viriditas and Arcayne chose to have a little so-called "Comment War" on my talk page (apparently Arcayne had banned Viriditas from adding messages to his talk page, or something like that, it wasn't clearly explained). They continued to fight and for some reason as yet unknown, Viriditas accused me of being Arcayne's Meat-Puppet (which I found surprising as Arcayne, after checking his edits, has been a user for far shorther a time than I have). I then left messages that I deemed to be as polite as possible on Viriditas's page - I never received a reply, and to this day, Viriditas continued to uphold his views that I am a Meat-Puppet of Arcayne. What did I do with the stress? Well, I stopped using Misplaced Pages for a few days to calm down and I avoided my computer for that time too. If ever such a problem happens again, I will try my best to resolve the issue in question as fast as possible through calm negotiation.
Optional question from falsedef
4. What changes, if any, would you make to the following statement about The Beatles to be consistent with Misplaced Pages core content policy:
The Beatles are considered one of the best bands of the 20th century.
A: I would remove the sentence as it does not uphold an NPOV. Also, the source does not specifically state that The Beatles are the best - on the contrary, it simply puts some of their albums near to the top - therefore the assumption that they "are the best" cannot be made based on how good their albums are. You could, however, count the number of albums on that chart and then say something of the sort: There are been x albums by The Beatles that are in the Rolling Stones Magazine Top 500 albums of All Time.
Question from Oleg Alexandrov
5. Your edit summary usage is kind of low. Would you consider improving it, and/or changing your preferences to be reminded to use edit summaries?
A: I find this question quite amusing, because I just recently - after going over the RfA page - noted that there was a way to remind me to add an edit summary. Now, I have done so and it is quite practical. Therefore I think my Edit Summary usage will go up.

General comments


Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Booksworm before commenting.

Discussion

  • It's interesting to note that in days gone by (i.e. mid-late 2005, 2006), people didn't oppose for canvassing. It just goes to show that the opposers here haven't looked at the user's abilities as an admin. I look a lot at RfA history, and I've seen links in signatures, banners on talk pages, even spamming users with {{PAGENAME}}. Really, what is the big deal? He just wants to help out - you're all stopping him because he's asking people to support him helping out. Sigh. Majorly (talk | meet) 21:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I consider it to be unfair on those who do not canvass, personally I would not oppose or even go neutral because of a talk page/userpage banner, but when it gets to linking on other people's talkpages and using it in your signature I usually go neutral or oppose depending on severity. GDonato (talk) 21:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Unfair?! It's their own choice they choose not to... ah well, another perfectly good candidate here, ruined by cries of "OMG CANVASSING" and "ZOMG HIS EDIT SUMMARIES ARE BELOW 98%". Nothing to do with adminship whatsoever. This is why RfA is broken. Every one of you opposers should be ashamed. Majorly (talk | meet) 22:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Perhaps they don't want to risk it because of strong opposers of canvassing, that is why I find it unfair. Edit summaries are important- no edit summaries could mean forgetting block reasons which can cause obvious problems. GDonato (talk) 22:34, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Admins have to take risks. This RfA should be no big deal. Majorly (talk | meet) 22:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
And if people didn't oppose for such absurd reasons, it wouldn't be a risk. - auburnpilot talk 22:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
It is not absurd reasoning becuase it can skew consensus- it doesn't matter how much you say it is not a vote- in general, the number of supporters v opposers is still the main factor. GDonato (talk) 22:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
If there are any substantial reasons to oppose a candidate then canvassing can artificially inflate support that overrules those opposes. In the interest of having clean elections, I'm not at all bothered that canvassing elicits quick opposition. Someone sunk by canvassing can always try again, but a case of a bad admin who succeeds by canvassing would be much more difficult to remedy. ··coelacan 23:00, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I tend to agree with Majorly on the "canvassing" issue. I find it hard to believe that users do not contact editors they are close with off wiki to alert them of their RfA. I'd hate to tell this editor that his mistake was asking people to vote in his RfA on wiki in a transparent matter. I'd rather have it this way than the way we default encourage by disallowing canvassing. Opposing for canvassing sort of feels like a "got ya!" oppose criteria. My thoughts of canvassing aside, the issue to me is not the "canvassing". The fact that he did not anticipate the reaction this would cause is unsettling. Anticipating reactions people will have to certain actions is, I believe, part of adminship. daveh4h 23:04, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Just to respond to Majorly's comment above, none of the oppose votes currently mention anything having to do with edit summaries. Like I said below, the RFA would have succeed without canvassing of any sort, so why do it? -- Phoenix2 04:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I would have to strongly agree with Majorly on this issue. At the most it should warrent a neutral, not an oppose. If you oppose by canvassing, how are you going to make sure that another candidate will not canvas by mass emailing or contact his/her supporters on msn/ICQ, etc.? --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 18:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
To me, canvassing shows the editor does not fully understand our policies and guidelines. If it was just a link to the RfA on his userpage/talk page, I wouldn't mind, but specifically going to user's pages and asking them to vote and putting a link in your signature is going too far. Vote stacking and canvassing skews consensus. By doing it in something as simple as an RfA, what's to say he won't do it an an XfD or something? --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 18:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, I know what your saying. But what if other admins skewed consensus from off-wiki canvassing, don't you think it's unfair to this editor? From the past, there has been irregular number of users participating in RfA's (one of the evidence that few of the candidates might have been off-wiki advertising RfA), I think there has to be at least some admin's who canvassed and got away with it, how else could you explain if one RfA had 50 users participating while others have 200 users participating. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 19:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Canvassing shouldn't be ok just because some users get away with it. If I see an editor canvassing I'll oppose their RfA whether they're doing inside the wiki or outside. Just because some editors can get away with it doesn't make it right. Many people get away with murder, but does that mean you can walk down the street and kill a guy? --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 19:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not a big fan of canvassing as I believe it does skew the process. The argument for allowing canvassing on RfA is that "people who know the editor best will be most aware of his qualities". While this is of course true, they are also the one most likely to be oblivious to a candidate's faults. I would also note that good RfA candidates should be aware of policies and guidelines and it's not like the canvassing is an obscure guideline that nobody ever heard of. Also, I would like to believe that future admins read carefully about processes that they don't know and in particular, a candidate should have read Misplaced Pages:Guide to requests for adminship which makes it pretty clear that advertising your RfA is not something you should do. Pascal.Tesson 03:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Support

  1. Support. Casually browsing your contributions reveals nothing concerning - just a long history of mopping up Misplaced Pages the best you can without admin tools. Candidate seems patient with newcomers and civil to peers. --Spike Wilbury 17:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support - Maybe a little more edits could have been made besides counter-vandalism, but knowing that the user will use his/her tools to cleanup more vandalism makes me feel comfortable. Support. Cool Blue 18:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support. Adminship is no big deal. No problems with this candidate. Walton 18:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support. Can not see any reason not to. --Mschel 19:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 19:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support. This user is very responsible and knows what he is doing. I see no reason not to let him admin rights. Black lupin 19:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)--
  7. Support No big deal. YechielMan 19:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support Looks like another good candidate. (aeropagitica) 19:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    Support, You have low talk/wikitalk edits and a pretty low edit summary usage. Other than that I see no problems. Might wanna work on somethings other than vandal-fighting. Otherwise you're on the right track :) --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 20:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support in agreement with Walton monarchist89. Acalamari 21:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support Same concern as Malevious. Otherwise no problems --Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 21:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support I think he looks good. Majorly (talk | meet) 22:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support. Would like to see a little more consistent summary use but thats no real reason to oppose. Goodnightmush
  13. Support Minor problems but no real reason to oppose. --St.daniel 00:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support in absence of any reason not to; seems fine. Trebor 00:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support seems like he would be a great administrator Lεmσηflαsh/(c) 01:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support: Seems to have plenty of experience, however, I would like to see a better edit summary usage. May I suggest making them forced in your preferences if you have already not?  Orfen  | Contribs 01:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    Unrelated comment Sorry but I have to thank you for reminding me to do that. I've been meaning to do it an kept forgetting. Anywho thanx:) --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Strong Support: I have personally commented on featured picture condidates and have seen this user comment on quite a few candidates. Looking at his contributions, I come to the conclusion that he has a wide range of interests in furthering Misplaced Pages, which is exactly what we're looking for in an admin. Ciao, --Gabycs 01:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support Looks Great. --TREYWiki 03:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support-—arf! 04:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 07:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    Support can be a great help in AIV. Yeah. —An<font color=#808080>as 10:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support - Very experienced and well deserving..----Cometstyles 10:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support. I see no reason to oppose. Let's let him work. JodyB talk 11:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support as a strong candidate for adminship. User shows understanding of policy and a need for the tools. As to opposing for canvassing, I don't see this having any relation to the ability to block, protect, and delete. In other words, this in no way makes me believe this user will abuse the tools. Support. - auburnpilot talk 16:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support as a good candidate for adminship. Should be of great help to Misplaced Pages. - P.K.Niyogi 16:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support Changed to support per Majorly's argument. Evilclown93 17:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support - I don't see any reason not to. The canvassing thing simply isn't that big of a deal to me, though I wish the candidate had paid enough attention to RFA in the past to see how negatively it's looked upon. Canvassing is not, in and of itself, big enough to change my !vote though. Philippe 20:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose. Booksworm has notes on his userpage and talkpage canvassing people to "vote" for him in this RfA . He has also solicited the "votes" of specific users and has a green link to this page in his signature encouraging people to "Vote! Vote!". WjBscribe 15:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    Comment:You may note that I did not specifically ask Black lupin to vote for me. I said I would be grateful if he did - I didn't specifically say that it would be necessary for him to vote for me Booksworm 09:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    OpposePer WP:CANVAS violation. Evilclown93 15:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC) Changed to support per Majorly's argument.
  2. Oppose Switching my !vote to oppose. Having low edit summary usage (Even though you're working on it) low talk page edits and not much work outside of vandalfighting. As well as the recent WP:CANVAS violations. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 15:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Oppose per User:WJBscribe. Boricuaeddie 18:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Oppose This is otherwise a a great nomination, but the WP:CANVAS violation is not acceptable. Gutworth 20:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    Comment: I have removed these canvassing messages and I am going to leave a message with Arcayne Booksworm 09:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Oppose Per the canvas issues, I still see you have not removed the vote! vote! link from your userpage which also seems to dsplay a lack of understanding and ability to listen to others requests. — The Sunshine Man (a.k.a Tellyaddict) 20:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    Comment: As you may note, your message was at 20:58 (UTC) which is 22:58 CET at which point I was already asleep - I did note these messages this morning and I removed the "Vote! Vote!" from my signature Booksworm 09:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Oppose, switched from neutral; unhappy with the lack of attention to the issue. -- Phoenix2 21:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    Comment: I have undertaken the steps and have stopped the Canvassing that I started Booksworm 09:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    Oppose Sorry, but someone raised an immediate concern and there was no action. May revert to neutral if action is taken within a reasonable timescale but I have to oppose now. GDonato (talk) 21:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC) Now neutral
    Comment: I have resolved the "Vote! Vote!" issue and have removed it from my talk page as well Booksworm 09:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    Thanks, but I stand by my opposition. I don't think it should have been done for the reason I have since twice stated on this page. -- Phoenix2 15:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. In March, you threatened to report Viriditas to ARBCOM for talking to Arcayne on your talk page, and then again for removing your comments from Viriditas's talk page. I'm not sure that you understand the steps of dispute resolution here. Or if you do, I'm concerned by this overreaction. Either way, I feel I must oppose. ··coelacan 22:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    Comment: I did enlighten you upon that subject in my answers to questions above! May I also point out to you that I was losing my cool as he was frantically trying to name me as being a Meat-Puppet of Arcayne (which I am not!). Also they shouldn't have started having such a dispute on my talk page - at least Arcayne showed some civility towards this issue and he did say that he was sorry Booksworm 09:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. oppose I dont want to do this but I dont think this user is quite ready for adminship. (I think they are a great vandalism fighter) I am dealing with Fair Use images and as such Booksworm has seen some of my notice's. But the issue is they dont know the difference between Fair use and Free use. which is a big issue Betacommand 23:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Sorry but I have to oppose due to a minimal understanding of fair use policy, and objections shown by Coelacan. I would forgive the canvassing issues, as it's not very important in regards to admin tools, but the fair use situation leaves a bad taste. --Kzrulzuall 02:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Oppose per diffs provided by Coelacan which IMHO show some maturity issues and naiveté to a degree that this candidate should work on before I can approve. —AldeBaer 02:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Oppose per User:WJBscribe's vote above and WP:CANVAS. Extranet is now E 03:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Oppose. I don't so much mind the act of canvassing as the fact that you should have known that people wouldn't like it. The diffs provided by Coelacan are also rather troubling. -Amarkov moo! 04:28, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. The canvassing showed a distinct lack of judgement, and I don't trust you with the tools. Daniel 05:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Oppose Per the canvassing issue. I realize some people disagree with that as the only reason to vote an oppose, but I think actions should enable a support vote, as well as edits. Jmlk17 07:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Oppose unfortunately. Adminship is no big deal, but canvassing indicates an obvious lack of prudence. —Anas 10:19, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Oppose, canvassing issue and the diffs shown by several users. Not too ready for adminship at the moment. Other than that, not much of a problem.` Terence 14:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Oppose Canvassing is bad, no matter what Majorly says. Also, the Misplaced Pages-space edits are too few for my liking. Captain panda 19:28, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Weak oppose - I find the relatively low edit summary usage troubling. The canvassing probably wasn't a good idea either, but that is secondary to me.--Danaman5 22:05, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. From oppose- Neutral per canvassing, I would encourage the candidate to try again later without the canvassing, possible they were unaware that this is a problem (based on type engaged in) GDonato (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC) Has partially resolved the issue and it appears little damage was done. Would have had my support if this hadn't happened though- please reapply later GDonato (talk) 10:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Neutral The canvassing seems like a mistake and somewhat neutral, as it's just asking fo a blanket vote, not a support vote. Badtaste, but I don't think it warrants an oppose. falsedef 18:33, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. I know that I have opposed in a previous RFA b/c of this issue. However, for example in a previous case, some successful administrators have indeed canvassed for votes. However, IMHO, I don't think that the CANVASSING point should be the only reason to oppose this candidate. Neutral for now. Real96 05:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Neutral. I apologize for calling you a meat-puppet, but Arcayne was the only editor who had insisted on that addition to the article, against the consensus of the active editors, and you arrived out of nowhere and reverted to his version, as if he had asked you to tag-team for him. And, just so you understand, Arcayne did not ban me from his talk page, I asked him not to use my talk page for discussing the article on February 8, he refused, and I banned him from my talk page on Februrary 9, 2007, and several times after because he didn't understand that the discussion was taking place on the article, not the user talk page. In fact, Arcayne asked me to use his talk page after I asked him not to use mine so your recollection of events is in error. You weren't even involved in this conflict until a month later on March 10.Viriditas | Talk 13:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Neutral per my comments above about canvassing. I suggest withdrawing and restarting the RfA fairly soon though. Pascal.Tesson 03:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Neutral Canvassing and a few other issues. I'd encourage a another one in a while. Dfrg.msc 08:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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PeaceNT

Closed as successful by Cecropia 14:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC) at (71/1/0); Formal end time 15:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

PeaceNT (talk · contribs) - Nomination from Majorly: It's my pleasure to nominate PeaceNT. Wherever I notice an edit from her, I've always been pleased to see it. She's been around since December, so is definitely an established part of our community. Those who love to edit count should be satisfied I think :) Above all, she's kind, helpful and... peaceful ^_^ and would do good work as an admin. Majorly (talk | meet) 21:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Co-nomination from Riana: PeaceNT is a superb worker and would no doubt make a fantastic addition to the team. She is invariably kind, helpful, civil and well-spoken, a participant in many different areas of the encyclopedia, and has 5 months of good, solid work under her belt. She's a great vandalfighter - I've never had a problem with any of her AIV reports - and always takes the time to caution vandals appropriately. She also assists people at the help desk, participates in RfAs and RfBs, and does some great work at AfD - lots of non-admin closures, which shows that she would most likely exhibit good judgement at XfDs as an admin. She also has excellent contributions in the mainspace.

As for the technicalities, she has e-mail enabled, no blocks, a nice signature and a noncontroversial userpage. All in all, I think she'd do very well as an admin, and would use the tools wisely. Let's give them to her! – Riana 09:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Co-nomination from Appleworm: Although I’ve just taken part in Misplaced Pages project for 3 months and this is the first time I ever nominate a person for adminship, I pride myself on having choosing the right one for this honorable position. PeaceNT possesses all manners of an exemplary Wikipedian. I respect her for her kindness, helpfulness, civility and dedication. I could remember the first days I joined Misplaced Pages: ignorant of policy, inept and disoriented. Luckily, she accepted me as her adoptee and gradually guided me to get my hand in other activities with all her devotion and zealousness. Her behavior towards other Wikipedians also remains decorous and polite. Moreover, she is an experienced user and has profound understanding in Misplaced Pages policy demonstrated by her frequent participation in closing over 100 AfDs, the work that requires wisdom and intellect, not mention other various fields. She is a familiar user at help desk and always ready to answer all queries. PeaceNT makes a well balance in Misplaced Pages namespace edits and writing articles. She has created some interesting articles like Brenda Jackson and substantially added a lot of information in some pages like Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows or List of minor characters in the Teen Titans animated series. I’m sure that PeaceNT will use the tool in the most judicious way. AW 15:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: Thank you very much for the kind words. I accept this nomination with gratitude. PeaceNT 15:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: I would like to assist in closing deletion debates. I have spent time participating in deletion discussions and have closed several AfDs under WP:DPR#NAC. I hope to have a chance to help out more and keep down the XfDs backlogs. I also anticipate being able to maintain CAT:CSD with my RC patrol experience. Besides I will keep an eye on WP:RFPP and may respond to unblock requests.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: In my first three months, I contributed mostly to writing articles. I started Sally Caldwell Fisher and Thomas Demand and assisted in saving Swanand Kirkire from deletion (thanks to the input from other editors), anyway I don't feel any of them are particularly good articles. I've also put a lot of time into Harry Potter and Teens Titans related articles, my recent favourite article is List of Teen Titans episodes, which I have helped clean up, fix spelling errors and add substantial references, I am trying my hardest to improve it further. More recently I’ve been engaged in new pages and recent changes patrolling and I am quite pleased with my overall work in these areas.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I have been involved in a couple of conflicts over editing, it's a good thing that they are only minor disagreements and have not caused me any stress. As I recall, my first ever conflict on Misplaced Pages was with two other editors over the article Half-Blood Prince. The argument was settled quite quickly as we could find the middle ground. I was a fairly new editor at the time and the conflict had helped me gain valuable experience. I understand that editing while in a temper isn’t conducive to any discussions, therefore I believe it's necessary to stay out of heated arguments and only return to the discussion when I am in a positive frame of mind. I will continue to apply this principle to any debates in the future keeping in mind WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. I feel that so far I've been able to remain calm and handle myself well in response to every disagreement I've been involved in.
Optional question from falsedef
4. A contentious edit is against overwhelming talk page consensus, yet is backed up by reliable sources. The talk page consensus view is intuitively seen as correct, and therefore those editors replace the edit with their own, but they no reliable sources. What sort of actions and compromises should be taken to resolve the issue?
A: Let me get this straight. There is initially a talk page consensus when the new edit which goes against that consensus is made, yet the controversial edit is supported by reliable references while the consensus is not. As far as I can judge, the nature of your question is consensus versus verifiability. Good question. In this case, I would say, verifiability comes first.
From what I can gather, the original editors revert the article back to their version. Unfortunately this move would easily give rise to critical reversion wars, which is in no way desirable. IMO the key action to take in reaction to content disagreements in general is to hold serious discussions over the issues. If need be the page in question might get protected to force the parties into debating. Though a consensus was already built, the editor who brings up the new information has his fact proved by good sources, so the discussion must be continued. Consensus is determined not by a group with numerical advantage, but rather by a system of good reasons, that is to say, WP:CON doesn't justify the reversion of the group. (Note that it is laid down in WP:CON: "The original group should not block further change on grounds that they already have made a decision.") Consensus can change and the original party bear the responsibility to provide valid rationale for reversing their information. It is vital that they assume good faith, be respectful to the new editor, and be open minded. Everyone should be afforded equal input into the process, and the "contentious" editor has every right to make his opinion heard fairly. Next, a good research can be carried in order to find reliable sources for the talk page consensus. If so I believe the article can safely include both sourced viewpoints about one issue. If not the unsourced material must regrettably be removed. Finally, at worst, if the original group refuse to adjust to the fact and persist on edit warring, I would recommend speaking with third parties. Request for comment is my go-to-page. Though I hope this doesn't come about.
Optional question from AldeBaer (talk · contribs)
5. As you may or may not be aware, there is an ongoing dispute at Misplaced Pages talk:No personal attacks regarding linking to attack sites (i.e. off-wiki websites that attack Misplaced Pages editors). Could you outline your position on the issue? —AldeBaer 19:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


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Discussion

Support

  1. Extreme co-nominator support. She'll do good things, I'm perfectly sure :) – Riana 15:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC}
  2. Support - A look back through her contribs shows a high level of contribution towards making this a better encyclopedia. Akradecki 15:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Riana nominee. Moreschi 15:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Wow, a great user. Definitely support, and good luck my friend :) Majorly (talk | meet) 15:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Strong Support5 edit conflicts! I've spoke with PeaceNT on Misplaced Pages before and she has always shown a trust for the tools and extreme politeness and civility, she could use to the tools really well! Good luck! Regards — The Sunshine Man 15:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    I think you're a bit confused with this user's gender. :-) AW 16:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support - She has shown that she can be trusted with the tools and her contributions has been excellent..Good Luck..----Cometstyles 15:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support Very Civil.Arnon Chaffin 16:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support Firstly, I always thought you were a bloke, secondally, I aways thought you were an admin! Best of luck. Ryan Postlethwaite 16:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support, I'm so absent-minded that I forget to add my vote? AW 16:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support. We need more editors such as her to be nominated. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 16:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    I'm looking :) – Riana 16:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Strong support Excellent nominators nominating an excellent candidate. By the messages above, PeaceNT is obviously belongs in this non-existant list. Acalamari 16:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Strong Support always had positive interactions with this editor. Should've been one a long time ago. —Anas 16:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support Great work.--Húsönd 17:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support - great editor & worker. Will make a super admin - Alison 17:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support - Proceed, as per comments above and as per my noting that this user is admin-worthy... Booksworm Vote! Vote! 17:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support per Moreschi. I have the utmost confidence in anyone nominated by Riana. Walton 18:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support. Per nomination and excellent contributions. --Mschel 18:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Are you kidding? I thought she already was an admin. Seriously. She left me a friendly note a month ago advising me not to overstep my boundaries in closing AFD discussions, so I could see she knew the ropes. YechielMan 19:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. SupportB.hotep /t19:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support per all of the above. Very surprized she isn't already one. VegaDark (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support per nom. PeaceNT is a great user who definitely deserves the tools. Nishkid64 (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support, per nom. -- Phoenix2 20:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support per Appleworm. --Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 21:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support Has shown vast improvement as a (fairly) new Wikipedian; makes me a bit jealous how fast she has caught on! That, coupled with the reputation of your nominator, makes this a very strong support. Good luck! Jmlk17 21:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support - Seems fine, and we need more admins. - CHAIRBOY () 21:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Excellent user. -- John Reaves (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support Easy decision --St.daniel 00:11, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support per noms, no doubt at all. Trebor 00:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support: Has plenty of experience, seems very dedicated. Edit summary usage is also excellent. Should make a fine administrator.  Orfen  | Contribs 01:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support per everyone else.Shindo9Hikaru 03:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support. bibliomaniac15 04:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Yep. Daniel 07:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 07:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support as your work appears first rate. Seem dedicated to improving things here. JodyB talk 11:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support. Looks like a strong candidate. Nice choice Majorly and co-nominators. Goodnightmush 14:30, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Support per all above, will be a great admin. GDonato (talk) 14:56, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. Support Excellent candidate; fine addition to the admincorps. Xoloz 15:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. Support Strong candidate and it seems one who would use the mop well. Orderinchaos 20:20, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  39. Support Nice show.-- 00:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  40. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  41. Strong Support But no more co-noms, please. Xiner (talk) 13:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  42. Terence 14:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  43. Olando 15:05, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  44. Support. WjBscribe 16:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  45. Strong Support - I have seen her around and have seen great interaction with others. Great candidate indeed. JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 17:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  46. Support--MONGO 17:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  47. Support per nom and co-noms Dep. Garcia ( Talk + | Help Desk | Complaints ) 19:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  48. Support Definatly a good admin. Captain panda 19:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  49. Support - no reason to oppose, and I trust Majorly. Philippe 20:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  50. Support Joe I 05:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  51. Support Get on it. Dfrg.msc 08:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  52. S The name states it all...Don't see any issues erupting from PeaceNT becoming an admin... --Kzrulzuall 09:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  53. Support --Herby 12:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  54. Strong support, good luck! The Rambling Man 13:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  55. Support for a Peaceful adminship. Newyorkbrad 19:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  56. Support per all of the above. Boricuaeddie 19:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  57. Support- good credentials for adminship- well done! Thunderwing 20:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  58. Support - great candidate. —METS501 (talk) 22:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  59. Support, great experience! Very peaceful, and quite an editor. *Cremepuff222* 00:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  60. Support. Seen her around on RC patrol, great user. - Zeibura S. Kathau 04:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  61. Support No problem at all with this user. · AndonicO 11:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  62. Rettetast 20:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  63. Support ... good name and an even better editor. I have no reason to think that the effect of sysopping PeaceNT will be anything but positive. -- Black Falcon 03:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  64. Support No reason will not make a good admin. Davewild 18:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  65. Support The noms say it all. --Random 19:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  66. Support. Good editor, will certainly be a very good administrator. --Carioca 21:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  67. Support per nominators. Sarah 04:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  68. Support, delightful person and talented editor. Will make an excellent addition to the admin ranks. Phaedriel - 15:08, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  69. --U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. 02:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  70. Support, why not? Extranet is now E 10:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  71. I understand MECU's concerns in opposing, but adminship is no big deal. I doubt he she will do image work before reading the fair use documentation. G1ggy! 11:06, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose for use of fair use images in userspace. See . This was recent (3 days ago) and blatant. An admin should know, understand and follow this simple rule of our fair use criteria. MECUtalk 17:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
    • sigh No where has PeaceNT mentioned she wants to work with images. I had a fair use image in my userspace for a while before my adminship. Does it make me a bad admin? Not in the slightest. I personally think the number of people who understand fair use is incredibly low, and many admins don't even go near it. It's a poor reason to oppose PeaceNT though. I would understand if she expressed interest in working with images, but she hasn't at all. And now you've removed them, she won't do it again. Why don't you look at reasons to support instead of reasons to oppose? Majorly (talk | meet) 18:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Whether she wants to work with images or not, she should know and follow all policies on Misplaced Pages. As an administrator, she will be looked to as a model for other users (correct or not). A user that looks at her pages and sees her using fair use images in her userspace could think it's okay, that admins are allowed to do it, or many other incorrect reasons. Familliarity with all of our policies is important for an admin. They are not just an admin of "vandalism" (or any specific area), they are an admin. MECUtalk 18:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
        • Hehe, I can't think of any reason in the world why a user would want to look in her sandbox... but nevermind. I doubt after seeing this oppose regarding this offensive addition of images to a sandbox (which was probably temporary too) she will continue using fair use images :) Majorly (talk | meet) 18:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Be calm, gentlemen :) Mecu, your concern is appreciated. I acknowledge that this is a mistake on my part to include fair use images in the sandbox. Just for clarification, please rest assured that I am aware of criteria 9 in our non free content policy and always try to remove fair use images in userspace where and when I have seen them before (e.g.) . Then again, it was really silly of me to mess up my own page. I will carefully note this when working with my sandbox from now on and promise not to repeat the error, you have my word of honour. Thank you for removing the images and please accept my sincere apologies. PeaceNT 19:08, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

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SpuriousQ

Closed as successful by Cecropia 14:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC) at (60/0/0); Formal end time 09:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

SpuriousQ (talk · contribs) - Nomination: Ladies and gentlemen, I am honored to present to the Misplaced Pages community, SpuriousQ, as a candidate for adminship. For several months, I have seen this user appear in my watchlist multiple times with their work to Paris Hilton. Although I haven’t had any interaction with SpuriousQ outside that article, I have actually seen them working in other sections, most often at AIV, where this user has more than 440 edits to. When it comes to article work besides Paris Hilton, SpuriousQ has worked on Nicole Richie, Kiwi Camara, and Kimbo Slice, and as a matter of fact, SpuriousQ has more than 6770 edits to the mainspace, and more than 12,500 edits overall. This user has also been active at the Help Desk, and has given some occasional input at RFCN. From my experience, SpuriousQ is a civil, decent, and hardworking editor, and I think this user will make excellent use of the administrator tools. Acalamari 16:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Co-nomination from Riana: Acalamari has covered all bases really well, but I can't resist the chance to have my say too :) SpuriousQ has been contributing since 2005, but has begun editing more heavily since November of last year. During this time he's accumulated a lot of great contributions, and has shown himself to be a capable editor, a great vandalfighter, a superb communicator, and generally someone who can be trusted. For anyone still down with a touch of editcountitis, Q has about 12500 edits, well-distributed across the namespaces. He is a regular commentator at AfDs , the help desk, and RFCN, and is always polite, level-headed and conscientious.

SpuriousQ also has a very high number (449 at last count!) of edits to WP:AIV - no doubt the ability to block vandals, rather than create backlogs there would be extremely useful for everybody. He also has written some articles - a great blend of article-writer and vandal-fighter. Enough to please everybody! :)

As for the paperwork: e-mail enabled, a clean block log, non-annoying userpage and signature.

Basically, this is a great, well-rounded, dedicated, and communicative user. If he gets the tools, it can only mean good things for us, and I see no reason not to give them to him. So, let's do it :) – Riana 17:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept. -SpuriousQ (talk) 09:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: For sure, helping out at WP:AIV and CAT:CSD, since a lot of what I do here is vandal reverting and new page monitoring. I also foresee myself fulfilling the usual duties like evaluating expired prods, dealing with unblock requests, closing or relisting discussions at WP:AFD, and whatever else comes up that I feel comfortable doing. I've requested content review undeletions, copy and paste fixes, and page moves before, and I'd be willing to provide those services to others.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: In terms of article-writing, I'm most proud of finding and adding quality references to articles, sometimes correcting misinformation in the process. Some places I've done this are Douglas Dedge, Adragon De Mello, Kiwi Camara, Serengeti, Jeremy Zawodny, Ryan Gracie, and iSkin (I'm also happy for having saved this from deletion). I've sometimes been able to expand upon or correct articles; examples of these are Rand index, Reflection attack, Kill (Unix), Mechanism (philosophy)#Gödelian arguments.
However, my most substantial effort has gone into recent change and new page monitoring, and I feel I do this competently and carefully. If I'm reasonably unsure that a questionable edit was actually vandalism/misguided, I may ask the editor or bring it up on the talk page. I also do quick Google searches for new pages that appear to be nonsense but may have some merit, for example, here. I think I have a very low rate of false positives when it comes to classifying bad edits, and I take care to revert to last good version, since failure to do so is a typical way vandalism slips by and goes long unnoticed.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Due to my patrolling work, I get a fair number of questions, complaints, or just plain insults on my talk page. I'm always happy to point people to the relevant policies and guidelines and discuss them further if necessary. I'll simply remove or ignore insults and try not to feed trolling, but if there's a semblance of a valid point or question mixed in, I'll calmly respond to that.
My most contentious conflict involved an editor who wanted to add information to Paris Hilton about some leaked home videos that apparently showed her using racial/homophobic slurs. Naturally, this was all over the Internet, but I could not find any non-trivial mainstream coverage about it. I reverted with a detailed explanation on his talk page basically saying we needed reliable secondary sources covering the incident, and he accused me of trying to remove all negative information from the article. I remained calm and professional in the somewhat heated exchange (Talk:Paris Hilton#people_constantly_deleting_any_negative_information), which culminated in the editor finding some CNN coverage that he added to the article.
Optional question from falsedef
4. A lone editor has taken it upon himself to continually delete large portions of uncited information on highly trafficked article, without discussion. Other editors are continually reverting the deletions. The lone editor has excessively exceeded more than 3 reverts in 24 hours. What actions are appropriate in response to the excessive deletions and reverts? Please note down any Misplaced Pages policies that guide your decision.
Well, there are several factors to consider. First, edit warring is bad, and the lone user should at least be reminded of this and urged to engage in discussion. Discussion should help make more clear whether the user's edits against apparent consensus have merit. Once discussion starts rolling, we can proceed to other dispute resolution avenues as necessary (such as WP:RFC), as outlined at WP:DR.
If it is clear the lone user should know better and is knowingly defying WP:3RR (they were previously warned or have a history of violating this rule), and has proven unwilling to engage in discussion, we should consider blocking under that policy. This would ideally induce the user to discuss the changes upon their return. Had there been more than a lone user, I would more strongly consider page protection to facilitate discussion.
If the deletions are of controversial material about a living person, we have to keep in mind WP:BLP (such material "should be removed immediately and without discussion"). In that case, the version without the material should be reinstated, with explanation on the talk page, and may be protected if it proves necessary, per WP:PROT.
There are also two simple cases I have not mentioned: 1) it is patently obvious that the lone editor is vandalizing, or 2) the other editors are vandals acting in a concerted attack on the page. In the first case, we simply block the editor after appropriate warnings; in the second case, it may be appropriate to protect the page against such an attack. Both of these cases are unlikely, of course, since it is a highly trafficked article.
Optional question from PrestonH (talk · contribs)
5. Why do you wish to be an administrator?
I like contributing here, and sysop permissions would enable me to do so in a greater capacity, as addressed in Question 1. As for why I keep contributing here, the English Misplaced Pages is an amazingly valuable resource, I find myself in agreement with the core policies, and there's always work to be done to sustain and improve it. -SpuriousQ (talk) 03:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Optional question from Trumpetband
6. When is it okay to indefinitely block a user?
A.
There are several cases I can think of.
  1. The most common case is for vandalism-only accounts: an indefinite block is appropriate if it is overwhelmingly likely that only nonconstructive edits will come from an account if left unblocked. Sometimes this is more immediately apparent than others: e.g., a user's first or only edits are to vandalize user or user talk space, they express intention to "destroy Misplaced Pages!!" or declare "you can't stop me!!", etc. In more doubtful cases, where the vandalism is less blatant and there is a decent possibility of the account later being productive, I'd prefer a temporary block, and if the account continues to make bad edits after having been blocked, an indefinite block becomes a stronger consideration.
  2. An indefinite block is appropriate for accounts that have gone awry in some way, where it is necessary to block until confirmation that the issue has been resolved. This may mean user or bot accounts that are suddenly making harmful bot-like edits, accounts that have been apparently compromised, etc.
  3. Abusive sockpuppets in violation of WP:SOCK should be indefinitely blocked and the sockpuppeter account may also be, depending on the situation.
  4. Another case is a simple username block.
  5. Accounts may also be indefinitely blocked to enforce bans.
Optional question from AldeBaer (talk · contribs)
7. As you may or may not be aware, there is an ongoing dispute at Misplaced Pages talk:No personal attacks regarding linking to attack sites (i.e. off-wiki websites that attack Misplaced Pages editors). Could you outline your position on the issue? —AldeBaer 19:08, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/SpuriousQ before commenting.

Discussion

Support

  1. Support I offered a while back, but he said he wasn't ready. He definitely is now, and I have good faith he'll do a good job. Good luck! Majorly (talk | meet) 09:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Co-nom support. I have every confidence that Q will make a great admin. – Riana 09:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support - Good user from what I can tell. Ryan Postlethwaite 10:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support A model Wikipedian, would make a great admin. Good luck to you. — The Sunshine Man 10:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support. Great user. I agree entirely with the opinions in the noms. Will (aka Wimt) 10:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support - every confidence. Addhoc 11:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support - Excellent work. A prime candidate for demotion if that's what Q wants. Pedro |  Chat  11:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Strong Support - A very good editor and would make a good admin..----Cometstyles 11:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support - Without having any prior knowledge of this candidate, I am confident that anyone nominated by both Acalamari and Riana would make an excellent admin. Walton 12:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Longevity to be admired, shows true dedication. In addition, seems like a near-enough-to-model candidate. Daniel 12:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 12:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support, and insert witty wordplay here based on his username. Will 12:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support, no obstacles. —AldeBaer 13:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. I would have gladly been a co-nom. Kafziel 13:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Strong Support Should be of great help at AIV as an administrator. Nishkid64 (talk) 13:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support With Acalamari and Riana pwning most of my concerns with any admin candidate before I even got to the questions, which were exellently answered and displayed the maturity expected from a candidate, my only concerns were investigating the user's recent activity. Folks, he's apparently already turned down a nomination, over his own concerns that he thought he wasn't ready. Users with this kind of humility are generally the best candidates for the job. Cheers, Lanky (YELL) 14:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support I see nothing but positive things from this candidate. —Anas 14:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support. Looks good, I thought he was one. --Mschel 14:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support with a cliché thrown in for good measure. GDonato (talk) 15:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Riana nominee. Moreschi 15:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Strong SupportGood User Great User.Arnon Chaffin 16:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Strong support as the nominator. Once again, I am late to give my support to a candidate that I've nominated/co-nominated. :) Acalamari 16:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support - another one of those "WTF - thought you were an admin already??" cases - Alison 17:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support Good counter-vandalism skills. – B.hotep /t19:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support: Plenty of experience and edit summary usage is also excellent. Should make a fine administrator.  Orfen  | Contribs 20:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support, level headed and excellent at vandal mopping. Clear need for the extra toolkit. Kuru 21:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support --Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 21:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support Yes, this is exactly what we need! Jmlk17 21:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support Seems fine. - CHAIRBOY () 21:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. support --W.marsh 22:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support, no problem. Trebor 00:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support, sure. -- Phoenix2 01:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. RFA Clique #1 You're not an admin =O G1ggy 02:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    "Clique" or "cliché"? —Kyриx 03:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    RfA clique - they're that group that sits around the benches at WT:RFA and makes fun of everyone else's clothes. Mean lot. – Riana 15:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support --cj | talk 02:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support You come highly recommended and your work speaks for itself. JodyB talk 11:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Support may need to review core policies for a refresher, but overall competent with no problems. falsedef 18:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. Support Wow, I thought this user was already an administrator. It seems like I am constantly racing SpuriousQ over at RC patrol, with SpuriousQ usually winning. Would make a fine sysop. Do you ever sleep? —Ocatecir 03:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. Support I see no reason to not give this user admin tools.--PrestonH 04:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  39. Support. Good user. -- King of 04:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  40. Support Have seen this user around, no problems. Xiner (talk) 13:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  41. Terence 14:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  42. Support per other supporters. Captain panda 19:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  43. Support Joe I 05:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  44. Support Per Riana. Dfrg.msc 08:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  45. S Everything I was about to say... is already said. --Kzrulzuall 10:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  46. Support per above. PeaceNT 16:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  47. Support Nothing left to say :-) —METS501 (talk) 23:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  48. Support, Spurious deifnately has the capacity and need for sysop tools. Nothing left to say! *Cremepuff222* 00:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  49. Non-spurious support per candidate's good overall record. No concerns. Newyorkbrad 01:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  50. Support per all above, great user. - Zeibura S. Kathau 04:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  51. Support Should make an excellant admin. Davewild 16:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  52. Rettetast 20:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  53. I think my evaluation can be best summed up by a quote from the nomination ... "this is a great, well-rounded, dedicated, and communicative user". Cheers, Black Falcon 00:42, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  54. Support --Húsönd 03:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  55. Support - No concerns. --Random 19:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  56. Support per Riana and Acalamari. Sarah 04:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  57. Support I like the answer, good luck! --Trumpetband 13:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  58. Support -- Judicious temperament. Lots of experience which is well-rounded. --A. B. 18:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  59. Support looks good to me. James086 00:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  60. Support. Zaxem 01:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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N734LQ

Final (4/15/4); Ended 11:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

N734LQ (talk · contribs) - I am N734LQ, and I'm offering to serve the English Misplaced Pages as an Admin. I feel I hold every trait and Admin should. I take responsibility for my actions, have never and will never maliciously vandalize, or otherwise degrade any item in the English Misplaced Pages. I realize it takes a lot of trust to promote me to Admin, and I know that I can and should be trusted as an Admin. In all of my years on Wikiepdia, I have made over 1,000 edits, of which none were vandalism. I take every chance to improve the quality of this resource, correcting typos, and helping others when in need. If upgraded to Admin, I will exercise my new power with restraint, and continue to help improve Misplaced Pages, until I am sure that Misplaced Pages is all that it can be, and help foster its growth. By voting for me, it takes a lot of trust in me, and I know that is difficult, but I am genuine in my efforts. Please seriously consider my candidacy. If I do become an Admin, you will not regret it. Thank you, and please think deeply about this. N734LQ 04:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


Fellow Wikipedians, I am N734LQ, and I am making a candidacy for Adminship. It takes a lot of respect and trust to allow me this privilege, and if given that privilege, I will do everything that is possible, to improve the English Misplaced Pages, and use my powers with responsibility, and always ask for a second opinion before making major changes. It takes trust in me to vote for me, and rest assured, I am one to be trusted, and I will keep that very trust. Wikipedians, it would be my honor to serve every user on the English Misplaced Pages, and if elevated, I will do my best to see to it that Misplaced Pages is at the forefront of the Internet.

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: I fully intend to take part in everything that is humanly possible. I will see to it that Misplaced Pages prospers, becomes a resource for everyone, contains vast quantities of knowledge. People today don't realize that there is much more than meets the eye. Misplaced Pages isn't just a dump for knowledge. Misplaced Pages is a place for all mankind to share discoveries, and to help foster the growth of the world as we know it. If I see a place that nees work, I will stop at nothing to accomplish the task. Everything that needs doing, will get done.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: I cannot name a specific contribution, of the many I have made. Some of my best contributions are also the shortest. If I see a red link (meaning the page isn't created), I will create it. Albeit, it is short, but someone who may come along, may know more on the subject, and can help to improve the article in question. This is important because that grows without bounds. The article is like a plant. First it was just a seed, but with contributions, it grows to its full potential, and flowers with vibrant buds. Another one of my best contributions is that if I see something I think should be linked, I'll link it. People may not grasp the concept, because there is not foundation. Let's use another analogy. Think of a house. The top floor is the article, but you must a have a first floor, the foundation. Without it, the house will collapse. I ant to see people become intelligent beings, capable of knowing the whole story, with a foundation that is unbreakable.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I have before. I created an article about my Junior High School, and it was nominated for deletion. I felt hurt, because it was part of my life. I felt angry, I wanted to swear and insult the user who deleted the article. I was under distress. However, I took it with a grain of salt. I found out what was making me angry, the fact that he took away something that meant a lot to me. I knew that hurting him, like he hurt me, wouldn't do anything. I went to my bedroom, and lied down. I then figured out he wasn't doing it to personally hurt me, so I had to let it go. I took deep breaths, and let it go. I felt so much better about my actions, that I didn't retaliate, I just forgot about it, and went on. In the future, this is what I will do. If someone puts me under stress, I will get to the root of the problem, and figure out the best solution.
Question from WODUP
4. In your opening statement, you say that you have amassed over 1,000 edits in all of your years on Misplaced Pages, however, as of 09:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC), N734LQ's edit count is 435 and the earliest edit was on 16 September 2006. How did you get 1,000 edits and years on Misplaced Pages; did you previously edit anonymously or under a different username?
A: Yes, I edited anonymously. During my edits anonymously, that's where I got my years.

General comments


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Discussion

Support

  1. Moral Support—although I advise pulling out at the moment - take this as a learning oppurtunity, and come back in 4-5 months with some WP:RCP experience, WP:XFD contributions and keep up the enthusiasm. You'll make a fine Administrator some day ~ Anthony 10:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Moral Support - Your eloquent self-nom demonstrates your enthusiasm for Misplaced Pages, but unfortunately your answer to Q1 doesn't demonstrate that you understand fully what admins do. I suggest withdrawing this RfA early and gaining a few months' more experience. Walton 09:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Moral Support per Walton. You're a good user with a clean record, and it's fantastic to see new users who are interested in helping any way they can. I would suggest clicking on your "my preferences" link and enabling "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" under the Editing tab, which should allow you to fix the problem of not entering an edit summary. Cheers, Lanky (YELL) 13:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Weak support - your willingness to help the project is amazing, but I'm somewhat disinclined in my support. I think that it is best to learn specific means to improve Misplaced Pages before becoming entrusted with adminship, if only to prove (beyond a doubt, if not a shadow of one) that you're in it for the long haul. Gracenotes § 21:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. I'm puzzled by this... You say you have over 1,000 contributions, yet your contributions list shows under 500. (Did you edit under an IP previously?) Also, you are certainly not lacking in eagerness, but your nomination statement and answer to question one don't show that you know what an admin does. Get more experience and come back in a few months with a clearer idea of what you want to do, I would say. Grandmasterka 05:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Great enthusiasm which is a credit, but way to low on edit count (not edit countitis but <1000 really is too low to show experience). Also I note you have been proactive in creating new articles, but most remain as stubs - often with just one or two lines. I can't see any need for the tools here, but you are obviously a keen editor. Why not focus on developing the work you have started instead, and pop back here a few months down the line. Also - please start using the edit summary !!! Ta! Pedro |  Chat  08:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Inexperience, no demonstration of abilities required to be an administrator (this != demonstrating that you're not here to hurt Misplaced Pages), and hasn't yet showed dedication sufficiently enough to this project to be entrusted with the extra tools. Daniel 12:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Lack of demonstrated experience with policy. No XfD participation. No AIV, RfCU, RFPP, AN/I, etc... participation. Only policy/process related participation I see at all are a question from February about whether he is allowed to blank his talk page and one from this month about putting two flags on the article. That both are questions is a sign that he isn't ready yet even for answering questions about policy and process, much less for taking administrative action based in policy and process. GRBerry 13:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Sorry, (I feel guilty, in a way) but I have to Oppose this due to a lack of edits (total no. of 434), I frankly cannot see how you could have had enough experience on Misplaced Pages to become an admin. However, I will point out that you have been here for quite some time... Booksworm Talk to me! 17:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Oppose - Lack of experience, and I'm sure you don't know most of everything there is to know at Misplaced Pages. Also, answer to Q1 worries me. You say that "it is a place for all mankind to share their discoveries". I'm not trying to be picky, but this might show that you've never read WP:OR. Cool Blue 18:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    I'm pretty sure that's not so much about original thought as it is about the accumulation, and even culmination, of mankind's collective achievements. Just my take on it, though; such an attitude towards knowledge is rare. Gracenotes § 19:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    Well, even if that was his take on it, I still have other reasons for my objection. Thanks for pointing that out, though. Cool Blue 20:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    Understandable. Gracenotes § 20:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Oppose: Lack of experience. Also edit summary usage is poor, I suggest changing it in preferences to making it forced.  Orfen  | Contribs 20:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Oppose You do not have 1,000 edits, you have 434; unless you edited previously anonymously. Of these edits, only a tiny fraction have an edit summary. I am sorry to say that I do not, at this time see any evidence of significant experience in admin-related activities; I urge you to withdraw this RfA and re-apply in a few months.--Anthony.bradbury 21:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Oppose You have the enthusiasm, but severely lack in the experience. Less than 500 edits is exceedingly low experience, and while I'm not throwing out editcountitis, I don't agree with giving tools to someone with so little (apparent) knowledge of what Misplaced Pages's inner workings entail. Try again in the future after some months of work. Jmlk17 21:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Oppose: You have, like I did, applied for adminship with too little experience. Nearly a month ago I did exactly the same thing. Your answers, whilst enthusiastic, don’t really demonstrate deep understanding of Misplaced Pages policy. I admire your thirst to do “everything humanly possible” to help Misplaced Pages, seems a little too noble to me. Also, it would be good to name some specific examples of your finest work. Speaking from RfA experience, I would say you need to use talk and other non-article namespace pages more. It will stand you in good stead for the future. Please, don’t take this as an attack on your ability to contribute to Misplaced Pages, I’m just trying to look at the situation objectively, if I can. Good luck, and don’t be put off! Max Naylor 14:00, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    P.S. Your take on your edit count and ‘years’ of experience on Misplaced Pages also worries me slightly. Max Naylor 14:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Oppose. I have the same questions about edit count as raised above and am concerned that your answers to the questions do not reflect knowledge of the function and duties of an administrator or any review of the ARL. Also am put-off by the 9% edit summary usage. Goodnightmush 14:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Oppose per everyone else - it's great that you're willing to help the project, but I'm afraid you just don't have enough experience - don't let his put you off from contributing, though - with more experience, you can make a good admin. Oh, and can you explain what you mean by "thousands" of edits? Tim.bounceback 16:56, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Oppose. Recommend Withdraw. I'm sorry; I'd be one of the last editors to succumb to editcountitis, but I see little evidence of any understanding of Misplaced Pages policy or procedures. — Madman bum and angel (talkdesk) 16:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Oppose Extremely low Misplaced Pages space edits and total edits. Captain panda 19:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Oppose Per everyone else. But I like your matzie, kid. Now you know what to do, try again in a few months. Dfrg.msc 08:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Neutral I'm trying to assume good faith here but you have little experience, get some XFD work and some good contribs and generally use an edit summary much more and you'll probably pass, as well I suggest re-wording and being more precise to your Q1 answer, but I would suggest withdrawing this RfA. Regards — — The Sunshine Man 10:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Neutral I too AGF but note the low numbers and a curious conflict between the stats and your claims. Maybe best to come back later. Perhaps and admin can SNOW this quickly. JodyB talk 12:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Neutral I would recommend that you come back a bit later, as I do not feel that you know the admin side of things yet. But with a little bit more experience I am sure you will make a great admin! Dep. Garcia ( Talk + | Help Desk | Complaints ) 08:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Neutral, some work at XfD will probably seal the deal and you'll be good to go. -- Phoenix2 16:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
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Yamamoto Ichiro

Closed by Cecropia 05:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC) at (60/14/8) successful

Yamamoto Ichiro (talk · contribs) - I nominated myself because I feel somewhat uncomfortable asking other Wikipedians to nominate me. I have been on Misplaced Pages since March 2005. I have not seriously started editing until November 2005. I took some wiki-break and then I became more active again on Misplaced Pages recently. As you can see from my edit history, my main contribution to Misplaced Pages is cleaning up vandalism and warning vandals. I intend to focus mainly on vandalism in the future as well. I also have some history with closing xfd, and I have to admit that some of these closes have been controversial as well, especially with some of the school nominations. For the controversial xfd’s, I re-opened the case when I received comments regarding the controversial closing, and I left the xfd for an experienced editor to close. As for editing the encyclopedia itself content-wise, I most also admit that I have not contributed much in this field. Although I did some work, but it's very insignificant for me to even describe here. However, vandalism work is important to Misplaced Pages because recent change patrol is vital to maintaining integrity of Misplaced Pages. Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 03:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A:As I stated above, most of my work will be related to vandalism. I will pay close attention to WP:AIV frequently (sometimes WP:AIV does get backlogged) and I will continue my rc patrol task regularly when there I have free time on my hands. If there is a need, I will close AfD's and take care of PROD's if there's a backlog. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 04:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: I do not have any best contributions to Misplaced Pages in perticular, if dealing with vandalism is considered as a contribution, then I guess that's my best contribution to Misplaced Pages. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 04:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I rarely participate in any content-disputes or controversial topics. So I virtually have no experience with conflicts on Misplaced Pages. In a case if there is one, I usually tend to avoid them because I have no interest in getting involved. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 04:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
It seems I have not answered this questions very clearly. While it is true that I did not have any conflict in regards to content dispute in general. However, I did get into conflicts with xfd closes, and vandals who I deal with daily while I was proforming some maintainance tasks. Vandals do not bother me at all actually, I believe every vandal have the potential to reform themselves later on if they make the effort to do so. As you can see, my userpage is always targeted by vandals. I would fully support a vandal who will take the effort to reform him/herself. I did came interact with a sockpuppet user a while ago, (see my first talk archive), who kept reverting changes with sockpuppets on University of Miami article. It didn't really perticularly cause any stress to me, but I did ask for it to be checkuser'd (this was VERY long time ago by the way as you can see). Also, I have histories with xfd closing, which I did receive some compliants with because it was closed improperly(see my opening statement). Anyhow, hopefully that clears my answer up a bit. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 00:22, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Optional question from Amarkov (talk · contribs)
4. In the last two days, you have made one thousand edits. How have you done this, and why did you make so many?
A:It sounds like a lot, but it's not that much because most of these edits are vandalism reverts. With the right tools and scripts, it's possible to revert vandalism with great speed and efficiently. (If you would like to know how exactly I revert vandalism just leave a message on my talk page and I'll explain it in a greater detail). Considering how much vandalism are made each day on Misplaced Pages, I'm afraid that this is just a fraction. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 04:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Optional question from Lanky (talk · contribs)
5. If you were in an editing conflict with another user who broke 3RR by reverting to his or her version of the page, would you block them?
A:No, I wouldn't, it's bad practice to block someone who is involved in the same conflict as you. I would ask another administrator (who is neutral) for assistance in that case. It's also bad practice to revert other user's edit if they were made in good faith, so I often try my best to avoid revert wars as well. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 13:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Optional question fron PrestonH (talk · contribs)
6. Some users abuse Misplaced Pages for a social network site, and some newcomers are confused about what whether Misplaced Pages is. How are you going to deal with a newcomer who socializes alot that is not Misplaced Pages-related?
A:If I see one, I would kindly remind him/her that Misplaced Pages is not WP:MYSPACE and try to discourage this type of behavior without WP:BITEing newcomers, but if the user continues to use Misplaced Pages to socialize, I would rather take it to the noticeboards,village pump or ask another experianced user for assistance rather than taking actions myself against it, simply because this could become very controversial. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 01:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Optional question from Daveh4h (talk · contribs)
7. As an editor, what is your greatest weakness? What is your greatest strength?
A:One of the reason I do not contribute to Misplaced Pages directly is my poor writing skills, as a result, it is almost impossible for me to raise an article's standards to featured article, or participate in a editorial based wikiproject. My greatest strength would be communicating with other users (although most of the people I talk to are anon's and newbies but I do talk to experianced users as well), and attempting to make a compromise if an issue is ever brought up to me. Although so far there has only been minor issues so far (the most serious one I dealt with so far was the small XfD closing controversy) and I did had to deal with some incivility from anon's, but I don't take incivility from users very seriously. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 23:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Optional question from AldeBaer (talk · contribs)
8. As you may or may not be aware, there is an ongoing dispute at Misplaced Pages talk:No personal attacks regarding linking to attack sites (i.e. off-wiki websites that attack Misplaced Pages editors). Could you outline your position on the issue? —AldeBaer 19:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
A:As of now, I do not have any strong opinions. First of all, it depends on what kind of attack site, there could be attack sites that only criticises a users action and makes no personal attacks at all. Attack sites that target Misplaced Pages editors, depending on how it's being used and what kind, should be treated differently in each case. For example, if it's a vandal who blanks entire articles to link to attack sites will obviously get a warning and a block if he continues. Same thing with link spammers who spams the link to unrelated articles just to promote the attack site. However, if the attack site is something like, a newspaper like the New York Times or something, and the article has something to do with the attack site and the person is simply citing it as a source, then maybe it is valid (even in this case I'm a bit spectical though, but it obviously does not warrant a vandalism warning). However, attack sites that does nothing but attack editors (sites that does not even make criticism and only makes personal attack), in general, should be removed because it is just like vandalising a page with done in a different style. But as I said, this is a complex situation and it each case should be well examined. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 20:53, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Yamamoto Ichiro before commenting.

Discussion

Support

  1. Support: Excellent at opposing vandalism: makes regular reports to AIV, which I always find to be accurate and timely. Can really use the tools. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 04:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support One of the best candidates I've seen. SWATJester 04:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Yes, of course. His judgement is sound, and he could use a tool upgrade. Some people specialize in vandalism patrol and that's fine with me. Antandrus (talk) 04:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support - Blocking all the vandals he reports to AIV gets tiring after a while. I like admins to contribute content too, but that isn't enough to oppose in this instance. VegaDark (talk) 06:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support. Everyone who regularly performs RC patrol knows his hard work combined with a healthy dose of thoughtfulness when it comes to approach vandals and experimenting users alike. We have here a great candidate that would make excellent use of the tools for the benefit of us all, and therefore, I happily endorse him. Phaedriel - 06:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support Numerous reversions have very few challenges in archived talk, leading me to believe that use of script to revert pages was responsible. Although this is a self-nom, there were several editors who offered to put him up. I think he can be trusted with the tools. the_undertow 08:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support He's a very dedicated Wikipedian and an unwaveringly committed vandal-fighter, so giving him those extra buttons is only going to help Misplaced Pages. That's the point in adminship, isn't it? I support. —Anas 08:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support per the fact that there is no sign that there is anything lacking in this candidate's vandal fighting ability, would trust them to use the tools effectively and would think that they would certainly be active too. GDonato (talk) 08:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support. Dedicated vandal-fighter, shows a clear need for the tools. Walton 09:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    Support seen the guy around, usually associated with something good. Go for it. – Riana 09:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC) Neutral per Pedro's concerns. – Riana 12:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support - I'm a little concerned that most of your involvement with wikipedia namespace is to do admin work. For example, you've closed and relisted AfDs, but I don't see you votingparticipating in them. - Richard Cavell 10:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support - Good Choice..!.----Cometstyles 12:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support per the answer to Q5. Any user who's level-headed enough to understand that admin tools should never be used unless there's a clear lack of conflict of interest is certainly capable of handling the tools with the deft touch they can sometimes require. Cheers, Lanky (YELL) 13:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support Nobody's perfect. Yamamoto does more than enough anti-vandalism work to justify receiving the admin tools. YechielMan 14:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support. A great vandalism fighter. --Mschel 14:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. I was thinking of nomming you myself. Clearly slow on the draw though. Support.--Wizardman 15:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support: While I would like to see a more variety of work, I feel this user could benefit from the administrator tools. Has experience and edit summary usage is also good. Should make a fine administrator.  Orfen  | Contribs 20:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support, obvious strong need for the extra buttons - very good at what he does and highly unlikely to abuse the tools. Kuru 21:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support Will help to keep the backlog down in regards to vandalism and vandal-fighting. Jmlk17 21:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support. Excellent vandal fighter - one of the best in my opinion - he has continually beaten me to reverting vandalism! I am confident he will use the tools wisely. --Ali 22:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support not sure if I've ever commented on an RfA before; but this editor deserves promotion, I have been beaten to the punch on reverting obvious vandalism countless times by this editor. Carlossuarez46 00:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support, Yamamoto knows what he is doing, and can be trusted. Prodego 02:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Weak Support, Good answer to my optional question, but I'm concern by your narrow editing and conflict resolution.--PrestonH 04:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support. I've seen Yamamoto Ichiro's name popping up all over the place recently. From what I've seen, he will use the admin tools without fear of abuse. - auburnpilot talk 16:30, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support, Very active Vandalism reverter, who I have seen on the job. Would make great admin. --Random 22:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support We have all seen his good work on rc patrol. Giving him the admin tools will help the project. Tom Harrison 23:13, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support I've seen Yamamoto catching vandalism on several articles I watch, and I don't see any evidence that he has a "get dem vandals" attitude. From what I've seen he's actually fairly measured and conservative with the warning system. The help at WP:AIV from a vandalism specialist is more than welcome in my opinion.--JayHenry 00:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support I've seen no reason to oppose him. I'm glad he's going after the vandals. I am sure he'll err somewhere down the road but who hasn't. He's dedicated to the task and I support him for that. JodyB talk 00:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support. Capable of considering arguments and changing his mind, as at the bottom of this talk page. An important attribute for an admin. --Fire Star 火星 01:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Strong Support. Great vandal fighter; I was planning to nominate him myself. -- King of 04:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support. My first RfA vote and very well deserved. I run across Yamamoto while on RC patrol often and admire his thoroughness (checking a users previous edits carefully) politeness when dealing with vandals and most of all his caution and careful judgment when it comes to reverts. I have yet to see him make a bad call when reverting. I'm sure he will be a courteous hardworking and useful administrator. Paxse 06:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support - Hard working and conscientious, this editor is an asset to the project, and will doubtless wield the mop-and-bucket well and wisely. Doc Tropics 18:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support I find it strange to oppose a candidate for not having an editing conflict. daveh4h 18:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Weak Support There are some great concerns with this candidate, but I think that they are not cause to oppose. I am not totally sure that I am right with this statement, so I may change my vote in the future. Captain panda 19:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support. I don't find the concerns of the first few opposers especially significant. As to the last two, perhaps the edit was inappropriate, but opposing on the basis of a single minor error seems unreasonable. Christopher Parham (talk) 21:19, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support Joe I 05:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Terence 14:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. Support - I've run into this user a multitude of times when I've been patrolling for vandalism and I've found him to always revert the same vandalism as I and post the same warning level on the offending user's talk page as I would have. Additionally, his response to the answers above show a levelheadedness that could be entrusted with the extra tools. As for the concerns with his 1000 edits in 2 days, or his over-zealousness in reverting vandalism, I disagree with them. Misplaced Pages is about the articles but, not all users are prolific editors with access to vast amounts of knowledge, we need as many as we can that can clean up articles and get rid of vandals. Also, many, many users rack up these numbers of edits in very short periods of time (AWB anyone?), so this is not a concern in my opinion. I fully support this candidate. --Kimon 16:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. Support - Flubeca t 16:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  39. Support Valentinian 20:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  40. Support, fighting vandalism and answering questions well is good. According to Q2 needs/should to do some writing to balance the scale. Still an asset to Misplaced Pages. Hope for the best. feydey 21:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  41. Support A great asset to Misplaced Pages. The concerns raised in the oppose and neutral sections do not bother me. —METS501 (talk) 01:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  42. Rettetast 20:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  43. Weak support 291 AIV reports from this user? (Wow – I'm not worthy.) I concur with others that the high edits-per-day ratio is easy to get with scripts, and it's not horrible in and of itself. So, need for admin tools for vandalism, countered by low edits-per-page ratio... okay. Mop wisely, and please consider Bibliomaniac15's suggestion to jump in and write. There's really nothing like coming across an article that needs improvement on RC patrol, then spending the next two hours fixing it up. KrakatoaKatie 07:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  44. Strong Support, it's no big deal. I personally think it is justified to call out vandals when they blatantly vandalize a page. Normally I would argue that in the case of the warning Deskana pointed out that subst:uw-vandalism2 is most appropriate. However, Mr. Yamamoto alleges a single user was repeatedly vandalizing the page, in which case the warning would have been justified. Mr. Yamamoto is furthermore the very epitome of humility and civic-mindedness; he need not be perfect to do the community service, especially not at the start of his tenure. Again, be reminded that the lack of admins is critical, and our candidate fills a needed capacity. --Edwin Herdman 09:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  45. Support says he wants to fight and warn vandals - mop and the tools will help him do that very well. Anonymous Dissident 11:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  46. Support. It seems a valuable contributor.--MariusM 14:56, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  47. Support. Will make good use of the tools. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  48. Support. I was one who wanted to nominate this user, and I trust that he will use the tools responsibly, and exercise caution in areas with which he is not familiar (as his record in xFDs shows). (ESkog) 15:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  49. Support This user having the admin tools will only help wikipedia. With them he could fight vandalism at least 50% better. Anyone who reverted vandalism 2,000 times in two days is someone who should be considered for this position. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 22:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  50. Support A pure asset to wikipedia considering his contributions, plain and simple. Manderiko 22:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  51. Support, I wished him good luck on his RfA, and then realized I forgot to vote! Tim.bounceback 00:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  52. Support it's amazing that someone's extensive anti-vandalism efforts gets spun as a negative characteristic. Vandalism is still a bad thing, right? Someone has to revert vandalism... maybe some people are too good for it but I'm glad people like this candidate do it. --W.marsh 00:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  53. Support - Vandal fighting is not a bad thing... Yonatan 01:53, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  54. Support I have read the opposing and neutral views and can recognize some valid concerns. However, Yamamoto Ichiro has clearly demonstrated a commitment to the improvement of WP. His handling of the questions raised here on his RFA demonstrate a level-headedness as well. I trust him when he says he will seek out other admins in time of conflict to come to the best possible way to handle a problem. While I see that he has room for improvement in terms of mediating edit conflicts, he will be a tremendous asset as an admin nonetheless. I have often seen him cleaning up the same page and warning the same users as myself. The more admins available to block obvious vandals after appropriate warnings, the better. Its frustrating as a vandal fighter to have to wait around for an admin. I would also like it if he would work on making more contributions to articles, even if it is as a translator from articles written in his native WP. Gaff 02:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  55. Support I see him help with vandalism all the time (especially because he gets in the way of my reverts ;)) and I believe he would make a good admin. Mawfive 04:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  56. Support Excellent vandal fighter. What's more, he can be trusted with the tools. That is the only question that really matters. --Spike Wilbury 05:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  57. Support Great vandal-fighter M&NCenarius 06:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  58. Support A spot-check of his edits shows him to be an accurate vandal-fighter, with no sign of newbie-biting that I can see. There is ample evidence right in this RfA of good handling of conflict; an admin who can handle conflict but doesn't seek it out will do fine. (BTW I don't like the warning icon you use with the Japanese text. We communicate in English here.) Kla'quot 08:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  59. Support Skillful use of the vandalism warning templates, and accuracy while vandal fighting makes a good nomination. He seems ethical enough and appears to know his wikipedia policy. •Felix• 14:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  60. Support Per above, good job with anti-vandal patrols. --Whsitchy 17:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Sorry, but I have to oppose here. I really do not like it when people spend nearly all of their time reverting vandalism, especially with scripts like TWINKLE. I feel that leads to a mentality of "quick quick get dem vandals", which is not a good thing for someone who can block said vandals to have. And 1000 edits in 2 days, nearly all vandal fighting, is just... not good. If you use a hammer constantly to the exclusion of anything else, everything starts to look like a nail. -Amarkov moo! 04:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    I understand your concerns. However, there are things I do keep in mind when I patrol for vandalism. The reason I revert vandalism on Misplaced Pages is to maintain the intergrity of Misplaced Pages as I stated above, and to ensure that the articles are not vandalised is important to other editors, and mostly important of all, the viewers. If a viewer goes on a Misplaced Pages sees a page with the words "F*** YOU" on an article, it's obviously going to create a negative image for Misplaced Pages. Getting vandals blocked and having fun whacking them is not what vandalism patrolling is about. WP:BLOCK is never used for punishment and it should be treated as a tool to prevent disruption to Misplaced Pages. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 04:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    I know that, and my concern is certainly not that you will deliberately break blocking policy and block people who shouldn't be. My concern is that you will unintentionally start reverting, and blocking, for things which are not clearly vandalism. I've seen perfectly well-meaning people start to give out vandalism warnings for any substantial removal of content, even that done in good faith due to a concern over the integrity of the material. I'll accept this to some extent as a necessary effect of having vandalism get reverted, but if that's going to happen, I don't want that same person making the decision on whether or not to block. -Amarkov moo! 04:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    And since I realize I didn't really make this clear, this is in no way saying that I don't like your edits. I congratulate you on actually being able to revert so much vandalism that 1000 edits takes you only 2 or 3 days. I just don't think you should be an admin. -Amarkov moo! 05:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    How do you congratulate him on performing a function that is a large part of the admin job, but don't think he should be an admin? He has chosen to revert vandalism. He's not YET shown any sign of "giving out vandalism warnings for any substantial removal of content". Shouldn't you be assuming good faith in his judgement, or is it thoughtcrime? SWATJester 05:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    Opposing people for what they think is, in general, stupid; it just turns RfA into "I deny all my previous opinions until I pass". The problem is constant use of TWINKLE, which my experiences have indicated is not a good thing. Thus, I can not support someone who uses it so much. I'd be perfectly happy to be proven wrong if he passes and goes on to be a really good admin, but I am not convinced enough that he will. -Amarkov moo! 23:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Per Pedro in neutral, although I find this so concerning that I must oppose. A failure to demonstrate ability in remaining cool in a heated discussion, and be able to deal with conflict well, will generally garner an oppose from me. Getting the extra tools is the one action, more than any other, that creates contention and drama on Misplaced Pages, and I don't believe you have enough experience dealing with disputes to be an effective administrator. Sorry, Daniel 12:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. I am strongly opposed to this candidate retaining extra buttons, particularly the block function. I do not feel as though Mr. Ichiro possesses the well-roundedness nor a clear scope of the primary purpose of editing Misplaced Pages is to retain any extra responsibility. While having some buttons are no big deal, Misplaced Pages already has too many admins that live to revert vandalism and block people without any extra thought, which I feel this candidate might do, given his recent spree of vandalism reverting in which he could not have given due time to each revert and potential "vandaliser." gaillimh 00:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    The editor may correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume that Yamamoto is his family name and Ichiro his given name (see Japanese name). So, Mr. Yamamoto. Chick Bowen 01:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    Yes your right. Ichiro is the given name and Yamamoto is the last name. I'm not too concerned with that since I did register my account in an unconvential Japanese name order. Anyhow, I don't think we need to be discussing this anyways (little bit offtopic). --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 17:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Oppose per Pedro and Daniel. Zsinj 02:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Oppose. I'm afraid I must oppose this RfA. In my previous interaction with this user, I found him a bit too quick on the trigger, so to speak. One user, User:Anywherebuthere23 made this edit to George W. Bush. As I understand it, this is false (being English and not particularly interested in American politics). I reverted that edit and went to place a {{test}} on the user's page, to find that Yamamoto had placed a blatant vandalism template on the users page. That was unwarranted, as the user's other two edits ( ) although totally useless, weren't vandalism. I have concerns that if this user should develop from placing bv templates on user's pages to blocking them straight away for fairly inoccuous edits, we could have a bit of a problem here. When I raised the issue Yamamoto was civil and understanding, and I am glad he edits Misplaced Pages. I would just not like him to have the power to block users yet. --Deskana (AFK 47) 15:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    Looking at the edits you cited, I can understand why the candidate assumed they were made in bad faith - the George W. Bush edit ("he is a democrat") is something that anyone with knowledge of American politics would know to be false, and looks like a deliberate attempt to compromise the article's integrity. Although I understand your reasons for opposing (arguably, WP:AGF dictates that we should not treat these kind of edits as deliberate vandalism), the fact is that edits like that do compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages, and for that reason I think the candidate can be forgiven slight over-zealousness in these cases. Walton 16:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    I would like to point out that most of my reverts and vandalism warnings do elevate from {{test1}}, {{test2}} and so on..., I almost always use that pattern for normal, non-serious vandalism like inserting text like "John was here" or blanking pages and replacing it with "fuck you" even. I normally use {{bv}} for something serious like placing shock images on articles that have high visibility like the featured article(you almost have to know the wikicode to do something like that). However, that exceptional case which Deskana brought to me was result of probably George W. Bush repeatedly being vandalised by a different acccounts registered by the same vandal just to vandalise. In the past vandals created "sleeper accounts" to vandalise today's featured article on high visibility articles. This was especially true for the GWB article. See the history of Adriaen van der Donck, where one user created multiple sockpuppet "sleeper accounts" to place shock images on today's featured article. In any case however, I do respect and understand your concerns as I did really overreacted to the GWB vandalism, and I should of at least used {{uw-vandalism-1}}. Sometimes there are also cases where I should of given {{blank1}} rather than {{blank2}}. Which the user also brought to my attention. Nevertheness, I do make mistakes like everyone else, which is why any user could come to my talk page and talk to me about inapproperate warnings and I'll cross them out as needed. However, I do constantly try my best to WP:AGF and I do believe that vandals do have potentials to become good editors. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 16:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    I understand why people don't assume good faith in all instances, but you can seriously scare people off by being overzealous. "He is a democrat" is NOT blatant vandalism, no matter what the intent by the person adding it. I'm sorry, but I can't support this RfA. Good luck. --Deskana (AFK 47) 19:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    However, please do not misinterpret my comments. I know that in a future RfA I could support you, and I am certain you are a kind and civil user who is doing good work. I just cannot support this RfA. Please do continue working hard. :-) --Deskana (AFK 47) 22:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    (I hope I'm formatting this correctly) In aggreeing with the importance on AGF, I would like to point out, Deskana, that I am concerned that I have seen WP:AGF problems(being too quick to block a user as a vandal or otherwise, instead of assuming that they are still a newcomer) from you aswell. You have blocked this user indefinately, who has made only one edit, for being totally unacceptable. I couldn't understand what was totally unacceptable about that edit, because all that editor did was replaced the George Bush page with typical profanity against the person. I've seen edits like that done millions of times, and I think at least a few warnings before blocking would have been more appropriete.(Is there are reason why you did consider it unacceptable?)--U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. 02:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Oppose per Daniel and Deskana. WjBscribe 17:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Oppose per Deskana. Xiner (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
    Weak oppose While I like that you're active fighting vandalism (your AIV reports are usually correct by the way, which is nice :)), I don't like your answer to #3; I suggest taking at least one WP:AMA or WP:MEDCAB case. I'm not so worried about you being trigger-happy, as Deskana said, but it might help if you tone it down a bit. Another thing that bothers me is your editing pattern; you seem to be (insanely) active for a few months, and then don't edit (or edit very little) for just as much, if not more, time. A final minor problem—for want of a better word, it's really not a bad thing—is this. The last wiki-space edit that wasn't AIV, a revert, or an RFA was in November. I'd suggest balancing things out a bit (even though what you're doing isn't necessarily bad). · AndonicO 11:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
    Regarding to the edit patterns, my activity was purely limited by the amount of time which I could contribute to Misplaced Pages, during some months I just do not have the time to participate on Misplaced Pages due to studies, etc. Regarding to Misplaced Pages space edits, I do have edits on AfD's, although it's a very small portion of my Misplaced Pages space edits. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 22:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
    Moved to neutral. · AndonicO 23:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Oppose. Despite having seen some great vandalwhacking from this user, I am bothered by several answers to questions.Per my RfA Policy, I will always look against a user who says "nothing, vandalism..." to question 2. Secondly, question 3's answer gives the impression that as an admin, you will still avoid conflicts, even though from what I understand a lot of admin work is centered around conflicts, and resolution of conflicts. Would you be comfortable there? Question 6 bothers me because people taking it to "someone more experienced" annoys me, considering that (if you're a sysop) we have promoted you on the assumption that you know what you're doing, not that you need support form above. It is for these 3 reasons that I can't support you. Better luck next time, and please take on board all the advice given by other editors here. G1ggy! 04:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
    Well, I can't really say anything about your first comment. Regarding conflicts, I do tent to avoid content-dispute related type of conflicts, but I do get into conflicts with vandals (who sometimes registers a delicated vandalism-only account to vandalism my userpage). I also dealt with some conflicts with sockpuppets and compliants about my xfd closings. However, isn't adminship more than just dealing with content-dispute conflicts? Isn't there admins who just deals with maintainance tasks that needed to be done, like closing xfd's, attending WP:AIV, and especially WP:ABL? Of course I won't be taking this to the experianced user forever, just for more controversial things that not even myself with know how to deal with, I'll ask for help. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 22:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Oppose. Per what was written above, especially the comments from Amarkov. I don't buy into his "lack of English skills" as being a legitimate reason for editing articles, mainly because from reading this RfA, his skills appear to be fairly good. Given his Japanese language skills, I could see him editing hundreds of articles, improving many of them. In addition, I know that Admins get into intense discussions with editors, and if he is deprecating his language skills, then how can he provide leadership and mentoring to new users? I've known a lot of editors, myself included, who became better editors as a result of good mentoring. Orangemarlin 17:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
    Actually I was glad that you thought there was no huge grammar error that would make my opening statement unreadable. Some of the things I wrote were commented being "sloopy grammar" by other users, such as some edits I made to the MMORPG article. Also, I don't believe adminship is about position of leadership or power, it's merely a group of people with access to tools used to do maintainance tasks for everyone else, which is what I'm more focused on. I don't think there should be division between normal users and admins. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 22:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
    I appreciate your comments. I really think you will be a great member of the community, and you could be a very good admin. I want to give you a push to be an editor firstly. You could add knowledge in untold number of articles. With more editing of articles, I would become a strong supporter of your RfA. Orangemarlin 16:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Oppose. Just vandalwhacking. Haber 18:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
    I think vandalism patrol and reverts are important to maintaining intergrity of Misplaced Pages. Is there something wrong with just vandalwhacking? Of course I'll also be planning to do some maintainance related task as well, since there seems to be a huge administrative backlog. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 22:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Oppose In addition to some of the concerns above, I am troubled by your response to Question Six. Once you become an admin, you yourself will be expected to take the responsibility for making possibly difficult decisions about users, rather than asking others. Are you aware of how this problem is handled now, and the methods used for dealing with such users? If you had to make the decision yourself, what would you say, and what would you do?DGG 20:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
    Well, at first I'll ask for experianced users for suggestions on how to deal with issues. But I'll eventually take responsibility once I'm confident that I have the ability to do that when I learn. But isn't there also administrators who just deal with maintainance tasks as well? --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 22:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. I don't mind the user's affinity for scripts or vandal-whacking, but I worry about accidental good-faith newbie-whacking. Ral315 » 06:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
    I'm not going to say this has never happend before,, as a rc patroller, I do make mistakes (like every other human in the world do). If there is a questionable content-dispute edit rather than simple vandalism, I will not revert it myself. and if someone brings it to my talk page if I ever given a warning by mistake, I'll be very happliy to cross out my warnings and apologize. Of course, I'm constantly trying to keep my mistake to the minimum so I won't accidentally WP:BITE the newbies. In fact, if I see a newbie reverting vadalism, etc. I will often leave a welcome message on their talk page. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 13:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Regretful oppose per above (especially G1ggy!'s comment), as well as my own reasoning (below) because I have no doubts that the candidate is a good contributor whose vandal fighting efforts I appreciate. I am, however, concerned that he may be a bit too trigger happy eager.
    I have only dealt with the candidate once and, while I found him very pleasant to communicate with, I think I should briefly mention the issue: on May 22nd, the candidate closed the American Airlines destinations AfD (a group nomination of a little over 200 articles). There had been a very similar AfD previously, which resulted in the articles being kept. Just like that AfD, this one was far from straightforward and several editors expressed strong opinions, some of which amounted to WP:ILIKEIT. (Full disclosure: I replied to two comments in that AfD but did not partake in it myself.) The guidelines state about non-admin closures: "Close calls and controversial or ambiguous decisions should be left to an administrator." Now, granted, we usually don't let AfDs sit for more than five days and this one was a bit overdue but I feel closing this AfD should have been left to an admin (especially given the "history" with xFD closures that candidate mentioned). Okay, so far, not a reason to oppose in itself. The candidate was then faced with removing the templates from 200+ articles and asked for assistance on IRC (not a bad call) which I offered. The (minor) problem is that all of this happened after the AfD was closed. I feel that before performing the non-admin close (which is the exception to the rule), one should think the entire process through and, if necessary, ask for help before acting.
    I feel this it's particularly important for an administrator to first thoroughly investigate a matter before acting because there's simply a greater potential for fallout (which may affect a great number of users). All of these are pretty minor points which I wouldn't consider grounds to oppose but if viewed in their entirety, I cannot in good faith support the candidate at this time. Sorry. -- Seed 2.0 15:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
    Regarding the that AFD nomination, I am well aware of WP:ILIKEIT arguments used in that AFD. I do have to say that I did close this AfD while I had little time (and it did take longer than expected for me to came up with the decision as well) to remove the AfD tags. However, I did have enough time to read through the AfD and came through a well backup-based conclusion. Although the arguments for keep was weak, there was a concensus to keep the article nevertheness. I have also taken consideration of the delete arguments and some of these deletion arguments are no better either. Some of these deletion votes can be summed up asWP:UNENCYC or just a policy. Second of all, Misplaced Pages is built on consensus. Although I know a lot of people would argue that deletion is not a vote, which I am well aware of. At least all the keep votes had an argument, and it is clear that the consensus in this case was to keep. Third of all, although you say the keep voters mostly madeWP:ILIKEIT arguments, I don't really see that very often. Some of these arguments are Misplaced Pages is not a paper, merging would make the articles very long, etc. Which is a valid argument to me. Although I am open to various other views on the closing of this AfD if you can convince me otherwise or provide me with a strong argument for deletion, in which case I will reopen this AfD (although nobody have sent a compliant so far about this AfD), I strongly feel keep in this case is appropriate. So anyways, yes, I did spend time thinking this AfD over and I believe that is the most suitable decision. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 18:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
    Also, just making a comment about the policy about non-admins closing AfD debates. I can understand why that policy is in place. However, I believe I have firm grasp of the deletion policy to close debate, and not being a deletionist or inclutionist, I closed this AfD because I am confident on my ability to close this discussion. Also, in this case, the consensus is obvious as well. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 18:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
    Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comments. For the record: I agree with your assessment. I would have closed the AfD as 'keep', if I were an administrator. In fact, I usually would have made my opinion known in the debate (I didn't for a couple of reasons that have nothing to do with the AfD or this RfA). My problem isn't with the end result but rather with the process. I know that you meant well but since this was a non-admin close, instead of 'closing and, if in error, reopening', I'd have generally preferred you leaving the AfD alone. As you noted, you've had a few problems with XfD closing in the past and a new editor is going to take a close at face value and will most likely assume that it's written in stone. Being bold is good but I think one can be too bold. One of the great things about wikis is that (almost) all edits can easily be undone. It does however create extra work, and that's particularly true of some administrative actions. I'm not opposed to you being an administrator per se. I just think that a few more months as a user might help make you a better administrator. Also, please don't worry too much about your grammar. Yes, proper grammar is important to get your point across but you're doing fine. Should you get the bucket, I wish you good luck. But I would ask you to please take a few extra seconds to consider how your actions might affect other users before you use the tools. -- Seed 2.0 19:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Oppose Per Deskana.--U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. 02:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Neutral "I virtually have no experience with conflicts on Misplaced Pages. In a case if there is one, I usually tend to avoid them". I admire your vandalism efforts but as an admin you are very likely to get into contention. It takes great honesty to admit your lack of experience, and I'm hardly encouraging you to wade into a hot topic for the sake of it, but I am worried about the intimation that you will avoid difficult or heated discussions alltogether. Pedro |  Chat  09:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    Well, just want to clarfy things up, maybe I didn't take enough time to answer Q3, I didn't have any content-dispute related conflicts. I did get into conflict with sockpuppets once (although that's some time ago, had a checkuser checking it), which was resolved relatively quick. I was dragged into conflicts with some vandals (you can see my page is a target for vandalism) and some anon ip's with incivility. If you read my opening statement, the controversial closing of few of my XfD's might be a conflict (depends on how you interpret it I guess) But if you are refering to editing conflicts in content-dispute then I really have nothing much to say about that because I don't often make editorial edits. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 13:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    • That's a fair response. It's dificult to see how you can demonstrate that you will be able to handle controversy; As I said before you can hardly going looking for it just to prove you can deal with it! I'm just a bit worried (as per Daniel) that having the tools will/may lead you to situations you have aknowledged you have no experience in and how you would react to them. Your response here is, in fairness, what I would expect of a potential admin, so although I personally still feel unable to support because of this gap in your strengths, I wish you well in your RfA.Pedro |  Chat  14:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Neutral per Pedro and Daniel. – Riana 12:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Neutral per Pedro. Also very few of your edits are for article creation and expansion.Also, I would like to know why you created 3 user accounts which serves no purpose --Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 21:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    Those user accounts are for Misplaced Pages:Request_an_account --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 22:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    I rarely create articles and expand them mainly because there is nothing much for me to contribute. There are already articles on almost everything that is knowledgeable to me. Also, I choose to specialize in dealing with vandalism and maintanace task because they are no less important to Misplaced Pages than making edits to Misplaced Pages itself. I guess it all boiles down to what your specialized in though. I just chose to specialize in dealing with vandalism. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 00:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Neutral. Sorry, sitting on the fence. I find the fairly narrow scope of editing concerning, but not quite enough to oppose. Trebor 00:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Neutral per Pedro and Amarkov. —AldeBaer 12:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Neutral. You're a very excellent vandal fighter, but you've got to have some faith in yourself. I've seen people who have half your spelling and even less grammar and been more enthusiastic to write articles. Just give it a try. bibliomaniac15 05:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
    Thanks for the encouragement, maybe I just had some bad experiance, I don't quite remember but someone called my edits "bad grammar" or something like that. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 22:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
    Anybody who is complaining about a user's grammar is wasting their time. It is important to get the content fleshed out first; grammar types can spend their time doing what is quite frankly cosmetic work afterwards. I wouldn't sweat it. --Edwin Herdman 22:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Neutral per Bibliomaniac15. --Guinnog 20:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Neutral Good answers to my concerns. · AndonicO 23:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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Bobak

Closed (62/0/1); at 23:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Bobak (talk · contribs) - Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Bobak. Bobak has loads of experience in articlespace - see the list of the articles he created here. He has had a lot of community interaction, evidenced by a large number of edits to the various talk namespaces. Finally, he has a couple of hundred edits to the projectspace. Based on an examination of his edits, I am satisfied that Bobak is sufficiently knowledgeable in policy and will exercise discretion when using the administrator tools. Finally, Bobak is well educated and mature, and will make a splendid addition to our sysop corps. Thank you. -- Y not? 01:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: Thank you so much for the kind words, Y. I accept. --Bobak 20:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello everyone. I joined Misplaced Pages on July 8, 2005 (coincidently my birthday...). Like many newbies I found the sheer size and scope of the project intimidating...but at the same time it pulled me in. Over the past year I've started to feel very comfortable with working within the project. Last November I floated an Editor Review to see what I needed to work on. From that review I learned more about what I should do to be a better editor and worked on things like using more edit summaries and, more importantly, uploading qualified images onto the Commons instead of just English Misplaced Pages (I also stared to see if I could add those photos to photo-less articles on the other language Wikipedias). I feel that I've logically come to a point where I would have a good reason to use admin tools: Like most users, I want to keep track of the articles I’ve created/significantly added to/etc. Currently, my watchlist has over 900 pages and images. I now tend to spend more and more of my time on Misplaced Pages each day patrolling this "beat" and making fixes wherever I can. I think having the admin tool kit would make me a more effective custodian. I strongly believe that people keep learning throughout their lives, and I readily admit that I do not know everything, but I plan to learn and play it safe where I don't know. So please consider me as a candidate for administrator. --Bobak 20:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: One of my favorite hobbies early on was patrolling the newly created articles (when anons could create them) and practicing my speedy-deletion stamps –-so I would enjoy taking a look through candidates for speedy deletion. I’ve recently started doing a bit of RC patrol and I can see myself getting more involved in patrolling the almost incomprehensibly gargantuan flow of edits coming into Misplaced Pages at any given moment. Although I have never participated, Misplaced Pages:Requested moves also sounds like something I would enjoy working on (particularly image names, because I made that mistake myself early on). I also only recently became aware of Special:Unwatchedpages, which sounds like something I can also help with since I find enjoyment in patrolling a lot of pages. I admit I hesitate to wade into copyright debates. This is because I am a lawyer in real life and many issues tend to fall into the cracks of "it could be argued..."
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: Tough question. While I don't usually dive into creating a FA, I do enjoy starting and expanding articles on topics I find interesting (either long term or "I read it in today's paper" short term). I've developed a strong respect for citation, so I try to keep my additions consistently cited to major sources. For examples, I'd draw your attention to the latter portion of my created articles list. I am also equally proud of the hundreds of photos I've added from my own collection (279 at last count) as well as from historic-PD sources on the internet. I guess you can summarize my contributions as "volume, but with quality". If people would like more information or specific examples, I will be happy to provide them.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I've been in a few edit conflicts, but none of them have caused me too much stress. This is for two reasons (1) I've spend the past 6 years moderating/administrating a rather (how to put this lightly...) raucous video game forum and the incivility there had just about deadened me to most internet banter; and (2) I think the processes available on Misplaced Pages help slow down hostility and allow time for reflection. Going back to those edit conflicts I have been in: I have been able to remedy them using good ol' fashion talking-it-through and occasionally via process (although those instances have tended to be much larger conflicts than me vs. someone else). As a result, respectively I have been convinced that my position is wrong and accepted the times where larger Misplaced Pages processes have determined that the position I was a part of wasn't what we were going to move forward with as a project. From the occasional vandalism to my userpage, I assume I've rubbed some people the wrong way --but they've all been anons or sockpuppets. If there are any specifics people would like me to address here, I am happy to do so.
Optional question from falsedef
4. A lone editor has taken it upon himself to continually delete large portions of uncited information on highly trafficked article, without discussion. Other editors are continually reverting the deletions. The lone editor has excessively exceeded more than 3 reverts in 24 hours. What actions are appropriate in response to the excessive deletions and reverts? Please note down any Misplaced Pages policies that guide your decision.
A: As an attorney, I have to fight myself to not cryptically reply "it depends" and leave it at that with a sly smile and raised eyebrow. But seriously, this does depend on a variety of factors (so I'll use some basic IRAC): The issue stated above falls best under the rule WP:3RR, which states "An editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, on a single page within a 24-hour period. A revert means undoing the actions of another editor, whether involving the same or different material each time." Now, based on the general description above, the lone editor ("LE") has gone significantly over the 3RR; however, the next questions would be whether the subject matter fell into the narrow exceptions for the rule. Its possible that the material could be WP:copyvio and/or, depending on the subject matter, fall into WP:LIBEL or WP:LIVING issues --if things get that complicated, it would require delving into WP:DR. Assuming LE is acting purely within a classic 3RR problem outside of exceptions, my own personal approach would be (if the most recent edit was LE's) to revert along with a warning both in the edit summary and on LE's talk page --making a clear reminder of WP:EQ. If LE's most recent edit had already been reverted, I would still put a notice on LE's talk page. I might need to make similar notes on the other RVing editors talk pages if they had also gone too far. I would also create a new section in the subject article's talk page to discuss the dispute (if there already wasn't one) and work through WP:DR; the page may also require WP:PROT from the outset, but this depends on the particular level of the dispute (there's the other 500lb gorilla in the room, but I'm assuming I'm not a party to any content dispute). There remains a question as to whether the material, though uncited, wasn't particularly controversial (or clearly WP:ADVERT, WP:POV etc), couldn't LE instead use the {{fact}} tag --this whole dispute could also bring in a long discussion on WP:V, but I'm focusing this answer on the LE since the actual subject matter isn't clearly stated in the question. If LE remains uncooperative, then he'll need to get thrown in the blocking cooler for up to 24 hours. In the meantime, the article should be watched to be sure that LE doesn't return as another account. Even if LE fell into an exception of 3RR, I would write a note on his talk page reminding him to follow proper WP:EQ and WP:DR so that LE would understand how to better operate within Misplaced Pages --of course, it's certainly possible that the editors reverting LE could've also been on the problem-end of some of these rules, but... it depends... (the sad thing is, with a question like this, I could probably keep ping-ponging things for about 3 hours in test conditions... I'm starting to get flashbacks) --Bobak 14:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Bobak before commenting.

Discussion

Support

  1. Nom support -- Y not? 20:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support: User seems to have plenty of experience and edit summary usage is also excellent. It's nice to see someone very experience in Images, should be able to help out nicely. I see nothing wrong, should make a fine administrator.  Orfen  | Contribs 20:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support - Good answers to questions; good edits; no reason to oppose.↔NMajdantalk 20:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support, looks like a well-rounded and knowledgeable contributor. --Spike Wilbury 20:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support Good person to be an admin. Captain panda 21:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support, certainly no reason to oppose. -- Phoenix2 22:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Edit conflict Support for attitude towards admin tasks, experience and contributions too. I never did see the diffs that I requested in the editor review for evidence, did I? (aeropagitica) 22:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    Here's an example of a dispute from Capella University that I mentioned in the Editor Review (it's a talk page which shows the conversation in its entirety) --it's not diffs but it shows how a dispute on the article turned into a discussion and agreement. For examples of my best articles, here are some , , , , .--Bobak 23:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support The dedication shown through article creation and maintenance is impressive. the_undertow 23:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support - I was considering nominating Bobak myself. I have had several positive experiences with this user since being here. VegaDark (talk) 23:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support Great answers to questions. Lemonflash/(c) 23:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support That's one of the funnier nomination statements I've seen in a while. It shows the candidate's forthrightness and willingness to learn. YechielMan 23:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. I see no particular reason to not support. DS 00:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support. Good contributor, level-headed, some experience with process. Even deals with sockpuppets well.... -- MarcoTolo 01:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support After doing some reviewing of this users contributions I am changing from oppose to support as I believe that any edit wars this user's has been involved in he has handled properly and he would be a great addition as an administrator unlike I stated before as I admit I probably didn't do enough research, I am sorry for this but I give my full support to this user now. Xtreme racer 02:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support Alright... sounds good. Jmlk17 02:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support for good contributions, procedural skills and pleasant attitude. --Fire Star 火星 03:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support If he handles all the assorted-instigators on wikipedia as calmly as he handled that wave of 10 sockpuppets on his own RFA I think he'll be a great admin. --JayHenry 05:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support. Someone else who went to the U of M? Hells yeah! Looks good to me. (This guy's actually an alum, whereas I'm just an !alum.) Grandmasterka 07:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support. I have no doubt Bobak will be a great admin. It's always been a pleasure to edit articles with him. Good luck. Grandmaster 08:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support--MONGO 08:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support per nom. No problems. - Zeibura S. Kathau 12:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support per nom. Welcome to the attorney sysop cabal! Right this way to be fitted for your cape . . . · jersyko talk 12:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support. Very delighted to see this nomination, good luck. Atabek 14:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support I see no reason to oppose, this is a very good admin candidate, nicely spread out edits and generally good work, keep it up. Regards — The Sunshine Man 14:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support: Much as it pains me to support someone who created a Misplaced Pages article on this infernal dirge, his record and answers look solid, and no reason to think he won't make a great admin. Plus, the RfA had the side benefit of exposing a sockpuppet farm, and he handled the trolling well enough. MastCell 16:58, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support. Adminship is no big deal, and I see no problems with this candidate. Walton 17:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support good record, no problems, good experience. Sure, why not? —Anas 20:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    -- Y not? 00:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support Like your answer to question 3. Will be a good admin--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 20:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Fellow jurist support, of course. All looks very good. Sandstein 21:58, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support I see no reason to object, I checked your edit history and everything seems Aok. Karrmann 22:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support and a tip of the hat for creating Mills District, Minneapolis. (Which reminds me: I still need to work on that history section.) --Elkman 23:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support This user has been a valuable and I'm sure would continue as an admin. Gutworth 02:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Support in agreement with the above. Acalamari 02:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support per MastCell, great work. Ganfon 03:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support Great optional statement, no problems. – Riana 04:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Support. Good editor. ·:·Will Beback ·:· 05:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. Support no problems cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 07:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. Support. He'll make a good admin. Good luck. --Mardavich 08:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  39. support,Misplaced Pages will be benefited from his adminship. --Pejman47 09:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  40. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 12:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  41. Support as a user who has shown a great deal of aplomb in handling conflict. I find his creation of this article deeply troubling, however. ;) JavaTenor 16:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    (glances at user page) No credit for this? ;-) --Bobak 17:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  42. Support Dedicated and neutral, high potential for the adminship--behmod talk 20:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  43. Bobak appears to be a good, trustworthy fellow whose letters alone make him well overqualified to click a few buttons :) gaillimh 06:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  44. Fight On! Bobak is a solid contributor and would be an asset as an admin. — Scientizzle 08:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  45. Support No, major problems. Perhaps bit of bias that should be better restrained, but seems unlikely to abuse admin powers. falsedef 18:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  46. Support per the ever-capable nominator and inasmuch as it seems quite plain that the net effect on the project of Bobak's being sysopped should be positive (and lawyers, IMHO, make, to be sure, the best admins). Joe 22:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  47. Support - good candidate. Ryan Postlethwaite 11:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  48. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  49. Support. Wonderful candidate. I'm really impressed by his hard work on uploading images. PeaceNT 04:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  50. Strong support. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  51. Support Joe I 05:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  52. Support Dfrg.msc 08:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  53. Terence 14:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  54. Support Should make a good admin. Davewild 21:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  55. Support, great candidate. Very thorough answers to all of the questions. We need more of these! *Cremepuff222* 00:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  56. Support Good luck as an admin. —METS501 (talk) 01:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  57. Support - Looks good. No problems here. JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 02:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  58. Rettetast 20:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  59. Support I would've preferred some more participation in the project space, but I'm convinced that you're experienced enough and will do a good job as an admin.--Húsönd 03:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  60. Support. The candidate has a good understanding of policy, is well-rounded (contributions to multiple namespaces), and seems good-natured. Good luck, Black Falcon 04:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  61. Strong support. This candidate made a favorable impression on me as far back as 2003 (??) with articles on SNK/Neo Geo titles at another site. Bobak continues to fight the good fight on Misplaced Pages! Secondly, we need more admins - there are only 0.27 admins per 1000 administrators. --Edwin Herdman 05:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  62. Support Nice answers to the questions. I like his edit count as well. --Random 19:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Neutral yes seems to be a good editor but there is one thing lacking which is talking to other ediotors only 685 of those about 1000 ibn total needs to talk more that why i must oppose sorryOo7565 21:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC) i look back i want to change my vote to neutral per my comment how can i change my voteOo7565 21:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Opinion moved from oppose to neutral as per Oo7565's request. (aeropagitica) 21:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Considering the total number of edits, I think the number in the "User talk" namespace for this editor is fine. -- Phoenix2 22:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Stricken comment by user who's spammed all RFAs with pointless comments.--Húsönd 23:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  1. The concerns given in the opposition are troubling, but without concrete evidence of wrongdoing, which I can't find, I won't oppose for them. Rewording due to massive sockpuppetry... You do seem to have a few problems with editing neutrally, but not nearly enough for me to oppose for. I may consider changing to support later on. -Amarkov moo! 03:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    All I can say is please look at edit histories and see where we may have come into conflict. I have a lot of involvement with college football articles, and some do create passion in users. Oddly enough, I have yet to hear anything regarding my Minnesota (also an alma mater) edits... I welcome criticism! --Bobak 00:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    What? I've never seen you before, so I couldn't have come into conflict. And you don't have to respond to everything... -Amarkov moo! 00:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    Whoops! I can see how that was confusing... that was meant to be address to you and your voiced concern, not about you. --Bobak 01:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    I've struck out the rest of my comment. I'm still not entirely sure about this, though (or maybe I just have the common failing of finding it hard to admit I am wrong), so I'm staying in neutral. Lack of my support is hardly going to sink this, so it's not a big deal, right? -Amarkov moo! 04:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
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Bjelleklang

Final: (45/7/9); ended 22:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Bjelleklang (talk · contribs) - Well, what can I say? I'm (just another) wikipedian, I've been around since sometime during the fall of 2005, and have contributed in what I see as a wide area, also including the toolserver. I feel that I've gotten familiar enough with the various policies and practices here to become an admin. I might not be just as active as other people, mostly due to school and other commitments, but I try to contribute when I can. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 22:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept.

Jimbo (and others) have said that adminship is no big deal, and I tend to support that. However, not beeing an admin is not a big deal either in my view; it only means that I have to contribute in another area of Misplaced Pages instead.

Addition, 18th may: I fully understand that some people may have a problem supporting me as an admin due to fairly low activity compared to other users/admins. I know that Misplaced Pages contains quite a few policies for admins to be aware and updated on, and I also know that I probably won't be updated on everything at all times. This is also why I will try to focus on specific areas/issues (as mentioned in Q1), so I will have a better chance of staying updated at all times within these fields. That means that I won't necessarily be updated on everything else at all times, but I will have a general overview on the other policies. It also means that I have to be more careful if I should find myself involved with another type of issue. However, consulting a policy page doesn't really take that long, and if uncertain/at regular intervals, I will read through the relevant policies, just like other users, inactive admins deciding to become more active, as well as most other active admins as well. This is not meant to convince anyone of anything, but more to address an issue both supporting, opposing and neutral users have mentioned as important. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 14:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: Hard to say, but most likely by keeping an eye on Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism, Category:Images and media for deletion, Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard and Category:Proposed deletion.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: I'd probably have to say the IRC client, as it has proven to become a good tool in order to help new users not yet comfortable enough with Misplaced Pages. And possibly the work done to help new users getting started through the help desk and new user help.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: No real conflicts as such; most of them have been with users not willing to accept policy and concensus. The closest thing to a real conflict would probably be over Hanging, where one or more people kept pushing their POV against Singapore, and most recently in the period when Saddam Hussain was hanged.
4. Can you give an example of an XfD that you think was closed wrongly, and explain why it should have been closed differently? ··coelacan 06:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
A: Not really, up until now I've never felt too strong for any Xfd's I've been involved with; I have no problems nominating or participating in them, and if the concensus is opposite of my opinion, I so far haven't had any problems accepting it. After all, the whole foundation for the project is to gather concensus for some or other action, and that also means that I have to be able to accept that concensus could be different from my own opinion.
5. When is it appropriate to implicitly invoke IAR? Explicitly? Are there times when it should not be invoked? ··coelacan 06:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
A: I look upon IAR as the last resort when dealing with editors obviously ignoring policies. Although I look upon this as more of a theoretical concept, I'd say that it could be used in cases where editors are unable to get assistance, either from other editors or admins, or in some cases where the bureaucracy seem to do less good for the project than the action itself. That being said, i believe IAR should be avoided as much as possible, as I think that it might cause more harm than good in some cases where discussion would be better.

Optional question fron PrestonH (talk · contribs)

6. There has been a recent problem with admin accounts being hijacked because of weak passwords. Is your password strong enough to withstand vandals/hijackers from hijacking your main account? (If not, please change in your preferences)
A: I'd say it is, based on experience from working on the IT-help desk at Agder University College, where we amongst other things administer around 9000 user accounts for the Norwegian research network. Hope this was a satisfactory answer :) Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 10:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Optional question fron Xiner (talk · contribs)

6. Could you respond to TwoOars's concerns about your "minor" edits?
A: Sure. As a result of TwoOar and Goodnightmush's conern, I've read through the policy, and as a result (as my contribs will show) I've begun to mark my edits appropriately according to policy, especially "A minor edit is a version that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. By contrast, a major edit is a version that should be reviewed to confirm that it is consensual to all concerned editors. Therefore, any change that affects the meaning of an article is not minor, even if the edit is a single word." Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 14:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


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Discussion

  • While clearly it'd have been better if Bjelleklang had more recent activities, I'd like to point out that I don't remember seeing Bjelleklang chit-chat much on IRC. He's really there to help, and ably so. Xiner (talk) 13:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Support

  1. No valid reason to oppose has been brought up here. John Reaves (talk) 00:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. I have seen this user's work with the helpdesk and am confident that Bjelleklang knows what to do and will seek help when necessary. I trust this user with the tools and I believe that they will work in the best interests of the project. --After Midnight 01:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support, confident this user will not abuse the tools. --Phoenix 03:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support. If the only reason to oppose him is his failure to maintain a superhuman rate of editing, he's okay by me. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 04:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support. He has shown consistent dedication to the project. Maintaining any level of editing for over a year is tough. Trust me, I struggle with it all the time.--Danaman5 05:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support Call this an unfair generalization if you must but opposers are no good at everything. All jokes aside, there is a real concern here with how strict people are getting on voting for administrators. Just because there's more admins these days doesn't mean you should tighten the rope... what's wrong with having tens of thousands of administrators? It shouldn't be that far of a stretch, after all, this is no big deal. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 06:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support Helpful, has knowledge of policy and very civil. No valid reason to oppose. As for the low activity, users need not dedicate their lives to Misplaced Pages. We should be happy with whatever help we can get from fellow volunteers. Also per Croat Canuck. - TwoOars 09:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    Having said that, I checked why mathbot tool says your edit summary usage is so low whereas interiot's tool shows 100% edit summary usage for all recent edits. It seems you are marking almost all edits including conversations, inserting images and removing large parts of an article as minor edits. I think you should be more careful regarding this and label the edits properly even if they are non-contentious. - TwoOars 10:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support Good user with a history of helping others. While the recent activity is a little low for an admin candidate, that's no reason not to support. Ten admin actions a day by this user frees up that much time for another admin. Cheers, LankyYell13:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Maybe the admin tools will make him more active, maybe not. Either way there is no harm since we can trust this user. Support --Rettetast 14:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support. I feel that an experienced, friendly user who knows the system and is willing to help out should get the mop if there are no major concerns. Infrequent participation at times is not a major concern for me - even if the candidate logs in once a day and deletes one speedy candidate, that is helping out. --Spike Wilbury 16:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support - Definitely experienced enough to deserve the mop. However, user did not taken my advice into consideration in his editor review, which is to maintain an average of 200-300 edits per month if considering for adminship. Others have pointed this out below. Aquarius &#149; talk 17:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support per all above. It shouldn't be necessary to give up life and glue oneself to a computer screen in order to pass RfA. Walton 18:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Change to support per convincing arguments -- Y not? 18:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support per all of the above. Boricuaeddie 18:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support Solid answers to questions. Inactivity isn't a real issue here, as the editor never left completely. If s/he now has the time to contribute to clearing backlogs, previous flirtations with having a life outside the wiki are easy to ignore! ;) Xoloz 19:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Weak, really weak support Honestly, I don't feel too comfortable supporting you. Your activity doesn't promise any much involvement as an admin. I'll assume you will not abuse the tools; that's what is most important after all. Good luck with your studies. —Anas 19:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support. Will you abuse the tools? No? Good. I especially like answer to Q5. Abeg92contribs 22:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support Contribs are balanced and show some interest in admin work. YechielMan 23:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support on the condition that you review what a minor edit is. (see TwoOars above) Goodnightmush 00:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support. you're not an admin? ~Crazytales  02:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support I've been waiting for this one since March last year when I encountered him reverting serial POV insertions in the hanging article. Resurgent insurgent 02:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support. The encyclopedia will be better, not worse, with Bjelleklang as an administrator. It is worth noting that he has stopped marking all edits as minor after TwoOars commented above. WODUP 03:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Weak support No humongous concerns, all the bits working properly. Please do take some time to familiarise yourself with newer policies/ideas - cascading protection, the reformed speedy deletion criteria, new notability criteria - before jumping into administrative activity. Best of luck, – Riana 05:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support. Good on you for coming back. cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 11:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support. It's always good to see someone willing to put time into helping new users. -Rjm656s 19:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support I think it is a positive that this editor is firm about his/her priorities (such as school and work)--demonstrates that as an admin he/she would be able to balance responsibilities.--Xnuala (talk) 01:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support, zero serious concerns. Deiz talk 05:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support - sensible answers to questions and plenty of edits at the help desk. Addhoc 11:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support. Seems sensible and level-headed. Haukur 13:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support. Positive impression of this editor. Although adminship is no big deal, seeking it does imply intent to step up more actively than in recent times, which I assume is the case. Murgh 18:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support per Daniel's oppose. We need more glory days and more admins. Who cares if they have 3000 edits a year or 600. Zsinj 02:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support. While he may not spend all his time awake on Misplaced Pages (tut tut!), his continued contributions to helping newcomers, and his various Wikimedia-related software tools, not to mention, of course, his editing and housekeeping contributions, show that he would make a very good admin indeed. - Tangotango (talk) 03:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Why The Hell Not? I don't think lack of edits is a reason to oppose if I can trust the user, and trust that they'll read policy and follow it. Ral315 » 05:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support See no evidence will abuse the tools. Davewild 08:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support I trust this user.--PrestonH 17:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Support Going through edit history I find no reason not to trust this user with the tools. —Ocatecir 17:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. Weak support Daniel's concerns are those that are properly raised relative to inactivity (as against those that suggest that inactivity speaks ill of one's commitment to the project, one implications of which are that adminship is a trophy), but the candidate seems possessed of sound judgment, and I so will trust him to know whereof he does not know and to peruse present policy (or, if necessary, the discussion underlying the development/evolution of policy) before acting qua admin (although I would observe that the tasks of which Bjell intends to partake are not those relative to which policy has changed significantly of late); consequently, I feel comfortable concluding with at least more than a modicum of confidence that the net effect on the project of Bjell's being sysopped should be positive. Joe 18:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. Support. Actually, I don't think things have changed all that much in the last year. Requirements for fair use images are a bit more stringent, some CSDs have been expanded somewhat, BLP issues are enforced more carefully, WP:CP is no longer used much, and protection policy is always changing, but never in uniform or universally agreed-upon ways. None of that is all that big a deal, and I don't Bjelleklang will be at a serious disadvantage beyond any new admin. If you find yourself confused about anything, please don't hesitate to ask any admin (including me) for assistance. Chick Bowen 01:34, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  39. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  40. Support I believe that the candidate has a good grasp of policy, so the lack of recent activities isn't enough of a reason for me to oppose. Xiner (talk) 03:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  41. Support I've been looking through some of the diffs that came out of the diff-generator (see the talkpage); the only problem that anyone's found with this candidate is inactivity on occasion, and I don't see why that's a problem. (I'd like to suggest to the candidate that reading through the archives of the Misplaced Pages Signpost may be a good way to get up to speed on any major changes that they might have missed during inactive periods.) --ais523 10:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  42. Terence 14:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  43. Inactivity is not a very compelling reason to oppose; nothing of great significance has changed in the past couple years. Nor do I think it's really necessary to make a lot of (or any) edits to stay abreast of what's going on here. Christopher Parham (talk) 21:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  44. Support A review of his talk page shows that he is commonly approached by editors for help. This suggests to me that there is already a level of trust which we should recognize. The lowish numbers for his editing in no way suggests he will harm us.. JodyB talk 13:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  45. Support, certainly. --KFP (talk | contribs) 17:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Wrong time for RfA. You have not been meaningfully active since January 2006 - over one year ago. -- Y not? 23:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry you feel that way, I try to contribute when I can, but as I have to put school and work before Misplaced Pages, I don't often get too much time to contribute. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 00:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  1. Oppose: Lack of activity and low edit summary usage.  Orfen  | Contribs 00:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    Oppose you have been M.I.A. for some time it seems. Jmlk17 01:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    Aside from Wikibreaks, he's been editing around 3 times per day. If you consider that "MIA" I've got some editcountitis pills to give you. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 04:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Oppose - you had tons of edits in 2005 and then nearly stopped editing all together, with just a few spurts here and there. You haven't even hit 150 edits for the past three months combined. While the actual edits don't seem to pose any sort of a problem, the inactivity makes me uneasy about supporting. Sorry. I do wish you luck though. --pIrish 04:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Oppose- we need editors, not people who lurk on IRC. Errabee 21:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    For clarification, most people who "lurk" in the bootcamp/helpdesk on IRC are there helping users become better editors. IMHO, this is a valuable service which is to be commended; helping others edit can result in more people creating content that one person would do alone. --After Midnight 03:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Oppose. Lack of recent activity. Dorange 01:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Misplaced Pages's changed a lot since you last edited recently, and things that are common-knowledge for administrators and administrator candidates you may lack the knowledge of. I really don't like noting this opposition, but I fear that a user who isn't up to date with the current everything on Misplaced Pages may make decisions which are now viewed as 'bad', which may not have been way-back-when. Sorry, but I'm not confident at this stage given your recent extended inactivity. Daniel 05:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Oppose lack of activity as a general editor causes me to wonder why you need the tools right at this moment. I also agree with Daniel's perspective directly above--VS 12:05, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Weak Oppose Because of your lack of recent contributions, I must oppose. However, I am loath to do so since this is my only reason for opposition. Having more activity for about 2 or three months will make me support in the future. Captain panda 19:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Neutral While I see nothing wrong with any of your edits, and your contributions into wiki-namespace are clearly satisfactory, you appear to have been fairly inactive for about a year. I will change to support after a satisfactory explanation as to why this is so.--Anthony.bradbury 23:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    I've had around 600-700 edits for the past twelve months, and although not nearly as much as other editors, I've also spent quite a lot of time on IRC helping out other users, primarily new users, many of whom are unfamiliar with policies and practices, and prefers a real-time chat instead of using talk pages to communicate. I also have school and work to think of, and sadly I have to put those before Misplaced Pages. I try however to check in more or less each day, although I don't always edit. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 00:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Neutral I wouldn't say that it's sad to put things like school and income before a voluntary project. Lack of participation isn't a bad thing when it is balanced by hard work in those areas. You can try again when you can be more active with the project. (aeropagitica) 04:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Neutral You use to have many edits, but much now. When you get more active, then I would happily support your nomination.Lεmσηfιαsh/(c) 23:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Neutral No reason for me to oppose , but limited recent editing doesn't indicate a strong need for the tools.--MONGO 08:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Re Q4, XfDs are closed wrongly all the time, which is why we have DRV; it's just inevitable with so much traffic. Some DRVs are filed from a refusal to accept consensus, but not all closing disagreements can be characterized that way. Not a reason to oppose. But I'm not sure about supporting, as I also can't comprehend the first half of your answer to Q5. Daniel's point concerns me as well: I'm not bothered by the possibility that you won't use the tools often, but I'm not assured of your familiarity with current policy for when you do use the tools. I guess I'm leaning toward support, but I'm not yet persuaded. ··coelacan 10:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Reply: I know that some users disagree with the descisions made on Xfd's, but so far, I haven't been involved with an Xfd I didn't agree with, or one where I couldn't understand the other side of the discussion. As for Q5, my point is that since IAR could be used to override other policies, it should only be used as a last resort, and after careful consideration. Hope this could make things somewhat clearer :) Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 04:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Neutral, per Daniel and coelacan. Can't see anything wrong with this editor, but I'd expect admins to be more active - Zeibura S. Kathau 12:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Neutral Moved from oppose. You had many edits, and seem to be a very good editor, but your lack of edits as of late concern me. I could easily support a bit later down the road if you get back into the project a bit more. Jmlk17 01:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Neutral I think this user's sporadic edits are a bit worring, but I see nothing else to complain about. Gutworth 02:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Neutral, it probably would have been a good idea for you to edit a bit before having an RfA. But, lack of recent editing isn't grounds for an oppose, so I'm just going to have to stay neutral here. *Cremepuff222* 00:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Neutral Due to the inacitivity from 2006 Feb to untill this moment. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ 16:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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Tenebrae

(17/33/5); Ended, 23:00 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Tenebrae (talk · contribs) - A very knowledgeable user in terms of wikipedia editing policy and an active member of WP:CMC project. He's shown great spirit in the community and able to work hand-in-hand with his fellow co-editors. He's willing to work with other users for the betterment of an article †Bloodpack† 22:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:

I accept. I have been a Misplaced Pages editor since 2005, and have made friends in the community. Two of them were Admins who likewise came out of WikiProject Comics, and who are now on indefinite hiatus. I can think of some of WPC peers who are so very qualified, and if they were to step up, I would step down. But someone who knows comic books, the basis of some of the biggest things in present pop culture, should be an Admin who can deal with comics issues knowledgeably. --Tenebrae 06:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: Dispute resolution, page protection, vandalism, trying to keep calm heads with WP:CIVIL, and trying to fill the very large gap left on the Comics Project page by the now departed admins noted above.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: As a journalist/editor in real-life, I believe I've added a certain level of grammar, conciseness, directness and readability to existing articles, and I have done the professional-level research one would expect on the more than 135 articles I've created — 70 of them biographies of comic-book giants such as Syd Shores, Lou Fine, Sol Brodsky, Nick Cardy, George Tuska and Joe Maneely, who inexplicably did not have Misplaced Pages entries. As well, I've added lengthily researched articles on comics history. I'm proudest of having helped newsbies start and flesh out articles that they wanted, and to help instruct them on Wiki guidelines -- User:Basique and User:Maple Leaf in particular.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Anytime you make corrections or additions, you run the risk of offending someone. In some cases — indeed, in the case of the editor who nominated me — I'm proud to say that after initial misunderstandings we came to be Wikifriends. I've helped newbie editors who spoke with heated or confused comments start Wiki articles that have since attracted many contributions, and those new editors and I have stayed on good terms; they sometimes come to me still for advice and information.
Sometimes I've asked for an RfC, and while usually my peers support my version of an article or passage, they've also found points that could be clearer or more definitive, and we've worked together on improving articles. I could have more patience with vandals, I suppose, but I believe I post calmly and straightforwardly. And I never give up on another editor who may frustrate me but who I believe can learn the Wiki ways. I will say that great admins like User:Hiding and User:ChrisGriswold have shown me — and anyone else who reads their posts — model behavior of how to be calm, firm and fair. --Tenebrae 06:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


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Discussion

  • I am disappointed this nominee decided to go ahead with this nomination against advice I gave. Earlier today, this user canvassed nearly three dozen talk pages with links to this RfA before it went live ( for examples) I advised the nominee that this was quite bad form . Subsequent to this, he removed the canvassing that he had done earlier . I found the removals to be laudable, but informed the nominee that continuing with the RfA would not be a good idea as the effect is still the same . He has decided to go ahead with this anyways, despite twice being asked what his rush was. There's nothing that can be served by him being an admin now that can not be similarly served by waiting at least a couple of weeks and allowing the slate to be cleaned of the terribly negative effect the canvassing has. I think this shows poor judgement. I think the nominee has done a wonderful thing in responding to the criticism I sent him and took appropriate action except for continuing this RfA. --Durin 19:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Cause of the canvassing issue, i am just pointing out that I would of supported even if he didn't, but granted if I had not seen it on my talk page I would not even know this was going on(had to look in my history to find the link to this). Phoenix741 20:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • You just proved my point; the point of an RfA is to garner consensus. By having canvassing, the opportunity for consensus is removed. Instead, it becomes a vote. Perhaps I should canvas IRC to get people to oppose this nomination? Would that be considered fair? Of course not. We do not canvas because we are after consensus. --Durin 20:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The canvassing is a valid criticism, as oblivious and unintentional a rule violation as it was. You're right. The opinions, pro or con, I can't comment on, but as a point of factual accuracy, nothing was being hidden when I archived. Nothing can be hidden on Misplaced Pages, as comments below show. I offer as proof the fact I did not archive the continuation of the canvassing discussion. It's there on the current page for all to see.
I do thank Durin, who has been utterly fair, and who has never made a hiding accusation.--Tenebrae 06:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why canvassing is prohibited. Surely the users best fitted to evaluate an RfA candidate are those who have worked with that candidate before? So why shouldn't they be invited to comment? I do know that it's very difficult to gain a real understanding of someone's editing history when you only encounter them for the first time at RfA. Walton 18:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
What I don't understand is why the people who have worked with an editor in the past shouldn't be notified when that editor has been nominated for adminship. I doubt that most editors watch the Requests for adminship page. How many people can the nominee tell before it becomes "canvassing"? Five? Three? One? None? Without such notification, the only people who will get to express their opinion are ones who have no prior experience with the nominee. To my mind, that would be a lopsided picture. --GentlemanGhost 10:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree. It's sort of silly to expect the people who regularly patrol WP:RfA to know a candidate better than fellow Task Force or Wikiproject members. I really think the policy should be ammended, actually. A simple "I've been nominated for adminship, please leave your thoughts" should be encouraged. In my mind, canvassing would be "I've been nominated for adminship, please come support", which implies you're expecting a certain action from a user. Cheers, Lanky (YELL) 13:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Recommend withdrawal, to prevent further heartache - there are obviously some issues to work on here. Perhaps try again in a few months' time? – Riana 17:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
That's kind and it's empathetic to suggest. Don't worry — I'm not taking anything personally, and with the degree of support and discussion here, it seems premature to cut this short. Things are being said that need vented.
I'm finding this helpful and eye-opening, both about myself and about the priorities of a segment of the community. This can only be good for everyone here. --Tenebrae 18:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
That's very wise of you. This is unlikely to pass, but I wish you all the best anyway, and hopefully will feel ready to support in a few months. – Riana 18:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you so much, Riana, for your calm demeanor and neutral tone. I find some of the emotionalism on this page ironic given the incivility allegations.
I need to clarify an issue of factual accuracy. It's inaccurate to say I see adminship as a badge. In my original posting I said that if a knowledgeable editor whose work I knew "were to step up, I would step down." --Tenebrae 13:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  • It should be noted that this editor has over 15,000 edits. Yes, the canvassing may be a big deal to some Wikipedians, but overlooking edit count (which most users at RfA use as a tool for supporting or opposing) is being ignorant. --TTalk to me 23:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  • COMMENT AND SUGGESTION Im the one who nominated Tenebrae for this adminship, I have strong confidence, faith and trust that its not his intention to ask for a vote when he PMed those people. But the idea of PMing a co-editor would really give anyone a "common" impression that he/she is asking for a "vote/support", but in Ten's case its not. So my suggestion is if a nominee belongs to a certain wikiproject, the nominator (like myself) MUST post in their respective noticeboards his/her RfA candidacy so that the nominee does not have to do it by themselves. And the members of the wikiproject who knows/familiar with this person (nominee) will have the discretion to go to the nominee's RfA page. WP:CANVASS is a rule/law and as a wikipedian, its my responsibility to obey/follow. I didnt nominate/vote Ten because hes my wikifriend. I nominated his skill and knowledge and I wholeheartedly trust them. WP:CMC people are professional editors and I'm not saying others arent. They're voting him here for his capabilities and not for wikifriendship. Cheers! †Bloodpack† 22:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
We'll have to agree to disagree here. We simply don't want admins who will end up amassing RfCs and going through desysoping. These are emergency procedures that we'd like to avoid whenever possible. Tenebrae has shown to be way too agressive and uncivil (see the various diffs provided below). You seem to think that the only issue being brought up below is the canvassing issue but that's simply incorrect. Pascal.Tesson 17:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
It's not that we think the only issue is canvasing but, because people are jumping the gun on canvasing, the vote is stacked way in the oppose line. I belive that the vote would be about even if people did not jump the gun, which is something that I have a problem with cause it is not fair.Phoenix741 21:56, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Addition: yes I called it a vote(even though I know it is not), so sue me, but you get the jist of what I am saying.Phoenix741 22:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
If that's any comfort, a candidate with about half of people opposing is doomed to fail in any case. Pascal.Tesson 19:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Therefore, we shouldn't bother commenting? It was doomed to fail before I ever looked at it, but I felt I should voice my support anyway. I was reluctant to do so, given that I was one of the people he contacted, so it might encourage even more of a pile-on regarding canvassing. However, it has since become apparent to me that this process is flawed and needs to be commented on. The next time a WikiProject Comics member is up for an RfA, I hope that someone will let us know. --GentlemanGhost 00:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Support

  1. Support as per nom †Bloodpack† 22:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support while kinda Neutral. Honestly I think that haveing at least one Active Admin in every MAJOR wikiproject is a good idea, someone who understands the project and what not. That way things will be able to go alot quicker and such. I know from experience that when chris was on, problems were alot eaiser to fix and what not. Now Tenebrae is a good editor, and he does know his comics and we have worked on some stuff togeather(him and me basicly built the list of SHIELD members page). But and this is why I am leaning towords neutral side) he does seem to lack some sort of personal touch. I guese like people skills, this goes with the frist Oppose by Chowbok and flying off the handel and stuff like that. If he can be a little more laid back then I think he would be a great admin.Phoenix741 19:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support - again 20000 edits and more than a year experience is good enough for me..----Cometstyles 19:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support - I've had good times working with Tenebrae2 and I think that an asset like this should be able to help us get a handle on some of the more .... virulent aspects of the Comics Proj. While I don't think he should be an editor JUST because of the comics stuff, it's how and where I know him from, so that's my point of reference, and I know there's generally good work being done there. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 20:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support record speaks for itself. Manderiko 22:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support, per Cometstyles. Phoenix2 03:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Moral Support (wavering above neutral) - Overall a decent editor, typically involved with vandalism or contentious editing situations. And while at times, I think everyone in the discussion could probably use a refrsher of WP:EQ, I'm typically glad to see that he's in the thick of things discussing and working towards making things better. We could definitely use another administrator at the Comics WikiProject, and I think we could do worse than User:tenebrae. - jc37 07:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support, since recognition of the importance of Joe Maneely where others do not indicates a high level of administrative expertise. Pepso 10:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Moral support: Good job at fighting vandalism, which is good trait for an admin, though the canvassing was an unfortunate error. As it doesn't look like this'll pass, spend some more time doing good work here and come back; you'll likely have a better chance. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 17:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support. I strongly feel that canvassing for RfAs should be allowed. I realise I'm in a minority here, but I think that the people best able to evaluate a candidate are those who know the candidate and are already familiar with their editing. So why shouldn't the candidate be able to inform the users they've worked with in the past that they're going to RfA? Walton 18:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    Wow, I must say I agree, you certainly have a point... For instance, at AndonicO´s RfA, I was able to support him by mere luck, since I ran into his talk page by total coincidence and realised there that he was going for it; but if such a coincidence wouldn´t have happened, I would not have been able to support him! So, say the coincidence had not happened... Then, I would not have been able to support him becuase I never knew he was going for RfA! Tom@sBat 22:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    I totally agree with Walton that canvassing for RfAs should be allowed, but as of yet, it is not - and not knowing policy is a deal-breaker, no matter what my personal feelings toward that policy are. —AldeBaer 07:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support. Seeing as this unfortunately unlike to pass, I praise your courage of not letting it get you down, and seeing it as an opportunity to listen to criticism and learning in which areas to improve. This is a sign of humbleness and wisdom that is rare to find indeed. I have no doubt whatsoever that next time you'll be a shoo-in. Best wishes, Phaedriel - 00:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support vs massive {{shrubbery}} issues in oppose votes over "canvassing". --Random832 01:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    Respectfully, I count sixteen opposes which either don't have anything to do with the canvassing, or mention the canvassing as just one of the reasons to oppose. I do somewhat agree that opposing just for the canvassing is a touch odd but there are plenty of valid oppositions here. Cheers, LankyYell02:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    I haven't responded to specific editors here, preferring to respect their opinions regardless of whether I agree. I believe the above editor might have been more helpful had he added this comment to the Oppose or Neutral category, or to Discussion above. User:Random832 is as entitled to have an unvarnished opinion as anyone here.--Tenebrae 12:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support Per Walton Monarchist. --TTalk to me 23:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support He is a knowledgable and regular contributor to WikiProject Comics. While his record is not perfect, he has often been an civil, impartial mediator on thorny issues. --GentlemanGhost 10:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support as a fellow WPcomics contributor I've occasionally noticed acting adminworthy. I was certainly not canvassed, and only found out about the RFA via a post about this proclaimed "bad form". I personally find a some of the opposition attitude to be "bad form". Murgh 13:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support - Won't change my support just because an incident. His general actions in here show he's a good editor, very experienced. And the canvassing incident is not bigger than that. —Lesfer 00:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support. I was going to stay out of this since it had already descended into gripes over canvassing before I ever saw this, but as I've said elsewhere, those of us who edit the comics pages must be notified when a comics article editor is up for adminship. There is a difference between posting notice and soliciting votes. Tenebrae even notified those he has had extended disagreements with, so it was absolutely not any kind of attempt at votestacking. It was notification to those most familiar with T.'s work. Since I already weighed in below when I chastised some who may have jumped on the "canvassing bad" bandwagon, I need to express my specific vote. Tenebrae is a smart, knowledgeable editor who conscientiously strives to apply Misplaced Pages policy, as is demonstrated by the fact that Tenebrae caught his/her own canvassing error before anyone else could point it out. Tenebrae is certainly most persistent than I am in fighting bad edits or those that simply aren't in the spirit of project goals. Although we have agreed on many things, Tenebrae and I have disagreed more than once, and I have always been impressed by T.'s clear, articulate, and patient discussion while we figure out what works best. This person could accomplish a lot of good with admin tools, and the canvassing issue that some people have used as their primary basis for opposing this RfA does not in any way contradict that. Doczilla 04:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
My fault there. Shouldve made a notification in the comics noticeboard. And like Doczilla, I also had disagreements with Ten. †Bloodpack† 07:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose. After a fairly minor edit to an article that Tenebrae disapproved of, he flew completely off the handle, culminating in accusing me of being a sock puppet simply because I agreed with another editor's revision rather than his. He never tried to discuss this in a civil fashion. His absolute lack of judgement in this matter leaves me frightened at the prospect of his becoming an admin. —Chowbok 18:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Oppose - First and foremost I dislike it when people talk about their superior dialect skills, yet make typos/mistakes. Secondly, your nomination seems to imply you think a comic book fan should be an administrator, why is this? Why can't a non-comic book fan use sysop abilities on comic book related articles? Finally, with all due respect to the administrators in question, you defining them as "great" (etc), generally is a non-neutral tone I dislike - when in the face of evidence to the contrary. Matthew 18:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Oppose per canvassing issues ,,. Although I am rather weary of WP:CANVASS as a strict policy, it still is one and so has to be followed. Tenebrae did retract those comments ,,, but only after this heads-up and directly before archiving his talk page (which is to imply the notion that he may have done it to cover up on this deal-breaking policy-ignorance). —AldeBaer 20:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Among the thirty-odd canvassing comments is one he even forgot to remove. —AldeBaer 20:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Regarding your last link. --TTalk to me 23:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Oppose This diff shows somewhat snippy correction of a new editor's good faith sourcing without follow up on the user's talk page with any advice on proper sourcing. Likewise, the user's warning templates (such as the ones used here) are pretty intimidating and go, I feel, against the general idea of WP:BITE, as does this "welcome" message on the user's talk page. While I know WP:BITE isn't policy it still makes me uncomfortable enough to oppose. Cheers, LankyYell20:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Oppose per those above me, particularly with regards to the canvassing incident. I agree with Durin, I think the slate needs to be wiped clean. --pIrish 23:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Oppose I am afraid that I take a very negative view of canvassing. Even a simple statement that "my RfA is on view" implies a support request. No.--Anthony.bradbury 23:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Strong Oppose per the canvassing and subsequent archival of the users talk page. -- Nick 23:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Oppose: Unfortunatly I am not all pleased with the canvassing. While I also do not like the archiving of the talk page after the incident I also do not quite like the comments that were added, they almost make it seem that the user is more important than any other user in WikiProject Comics. It is because of these comments that I must oppose.  Orfen  | Contribs 00:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Oppose (edit conflict) per Lanky's diff and Chowbok's concerns. Based on his record, I think Tenebrae is a little too impulsive for adminship at present. I would reconsider in a few months if he demonstrates measured, appropriate interactions with other editors. KrakatoaKatie 00:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Oppose due to canvassing. WjBscribe 00:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Oppose pretty much against canvassing on the whole here. Jmlk17 01:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Oppose per everyone above who mentioned canvassing, and encourage the user to consider withdrawing and trying again another time. Philippe 05:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Oppose I fail to see why a comics-admin is a necessity but there are more serious concerns. Citing as his model an admin who resigned under highly controversial circumstances is a little troubling. Canvassing is a problem. The vandalism warning template is a big problem. But the deal breaker for me was this diff and this one which I find completely unacceptable, even when dealing with a vandal. Pascal.Tesson 06:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Oppose due to some disturbing incidents of canvassing, bad faith and incivility with his contacts with other users. I will be happy to support in a few months if this behavior stops. --Kzrulzuall 07:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Oppose per the canvassing incident. Real96 08:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Oppose again the canvasing. In a sense this may be useful, as an editor likely to do this should not be an admin and therefore has been caught in the nick of time. Having said that, another three months and a new RfA detailing why the canvasing was a bad idea and I'd probably shift to support.Pedro |  Chat  12:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    In addition, the biting of newbies as evidenced above. We can do without another agressive admin who thinks getting the tools is some kind of promotion. Sorry.Pedro |  Chat  12:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Oppose per incivility to inexperienced users. --Guinnog 13:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Oppose Per canvassing and incivility. --Mschel 15:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Oppose Sorry I'm trying to assume good faith here but I think you are not familiar with what being an admin means, it is about being trusted by the community and using the extra tools to assist in maintenance, your seem to think that "Misplaced Pages needs a comic interested admin", therefore I dont trust your judgement, as well your WP:CANVAS of your RfA and asking other users to participate in it. Regards — The Sunshine Man 16:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Oppose - If you think that Misplaced Pages needs admins who are comic fans - then you don't understand what being an admin means. An admin isn't someone who already knows subject X, but rather someone who can tell, when looking at the history of such an article which edits are good, which are revert wars, and which are vandalism. Od Mishehu 18:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Oppose So far, I've seen nothing that pushes me to support you. On the contrary, the incivility and solicitation are big no-nos. You should've been careful. —Anas 19:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Oppose per canvassing. Captain panda 21:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Oppose per the diffs cited by Pascal.Tesson, which show a misunderstanding of the way shared IP addresses work and are also rather uncivil. JavaTenor 23:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Oppose per Pascal.Tesson's links to DOJ vandal. Warning/blocking a vandal is acceptable. Threatening to call someone at work is outside the scope of wikipedia, and I believe it to show a lack of maturity. the_undertow 23:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Oppose per WP:BITE and general incivility from some of the diffs provided. That he didn't know not to canvas for support also isn't very reassuring. ShadowHalo 23:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Oppose per canvasing, and image uploading problems. Lεmσηflαsh/(c) 23:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Regretful oppose. The canvassing is just icing on the cake, really - Tenebrae is a good editor, but has too many problems interacting with others. And we already do have admins who are interested in comic books (example: me). DS 00:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Showed poor judgement by canvassing, and this isn't a confidence-inspiring reflection on an RfA candidate. Suggest withdrawing. Daniel 07:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Oppose per incivility and canvassing. - Zeibura S. Kathau 12:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    1. Reply. While I can't single out any individual and know that it's true, I think some of you have seen the word canvassing and voted in opposition as a knee jerk reaction without reading any of the issues. I was staying out of this discussion to ktry to eep it from getting worse, but this has gotten ridiculous. WikiProject Comics needs editors who are regular contributors to the comics article and who get involved with WPC's activities and discussions, not just somebody who is "interested" in comics. If somebody who edits comics articles is up for adminship, WikiProject Comics regulars deserve notification. Some of you who have voted to oppose simply because you saw the word canvassing need to go back and actually read what happened. Even if you firmly believe it's grounds for rejecting the RfA, you ought to review the nominee's qualifications and comment on them as long as you're at it, so that the nominee can learn, grow, and have a realistic expectation about how any future RfA might go. Doczilla 15:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Oppose In my experience with the candidate in working on the John Buscema article, various problems have arisen. (For example, various concerns about the RfC begun on February 26th.) Although he seems to have a fairly good knowledge of Misplaced Pages procedures and guidelines, he seems to regularily apply them in a rigid, narrow, dogmatic (and impulsive) fashion. I think he needs to develop a better understanding of General Misplaced Pages outlook , Etiquette , and Civilityin order to arrive at a better level of balanced perspective, impartiality, and diplomacy in his editing before undertaking the responsibility of being an administrator.--Skyelarke 03:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Regretful oppose There is certainly a good deal to commend this candidate, and I briefly considered supporting in order, notwithstanding that RfA is not a vote, to counter those opposes based solely on the candidate's having canvassed, which I don't think to have represented some pernicious error in judgment or conversance with policy, but there are most surely concerns with respect to the candidate's temperament and demeanor (although he seems to be civil and deliberative on the whole, the diffs adduced by Pascal and Lanky, et al., are troublesome), such that I can't with any reasonable degree of certainty conclude that the net effect on the project of Tenebrae's being sysopped should be positive. Joe 22:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Oppose. Although I would like to see more admins, your canvassing shows that you may not have sufficient understanding of policy and consensus. Sorry. Sr13 05:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Oppose with regret. I don't mean to pile on and, normally, I would have refrained from expressing my opinion in this RfA. I do so for two reasons: one, since others have expressed that they don't have a problem with canvassing I feel I should speak out because I do have a problem with it. I don't think it's fair to characterize this is a knee jerk reaction -- some of us just consider canvassing unacceptable and think it's a big deal. I happen to be one of them. To suggest we're just jumping to conclusions based on a single 'red flag' word is a bit insulting. And two to ask the candidate to come back and try again in a few months because what (admittedly little) I've read so far, looked promising. -- Seed 2.0 20:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Neutral due to canvassing for interest in this RfA. I know Kelly Martin likes Wikiproject support for potential admins but I don't think that breaking the rules to obtain it is the correct process for gaining such endorsement. I would rather that this editor assessed the fallout from their decision to canvass and return to RfA in a few weeks' time, using the interim to better understand the policies and guidelines that admins of which are expected to demonstrate a working knowledge. (aeropagitica) 21:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Neutral per his lack of the correct citation for image use--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 23:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Neutral leaning towards oppose. The canvassing and other issues are concerning. As (aeropagitica) said you should probably re-apply, this is nothing against you- just the way this RfA ended up. GDonato (talk) 13:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Neutral You´ve got tons of edits (over 20000!); but really, canvassing wasn´t a very good idea; it´s more, if you were not to have not done so, I would have certainly supported you! Now, due to your canvassing, I would have opposed; but, since you removed all those promotional messages, I will remain neutral. Tom@sBat 22:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Neutral, I'm strongly against canvassing, but you have made thousands of edits. Next time, don't canvas and you'll surely pass. *Cremepuff222* 00:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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Akradecki

final (42/0/1); Ended 20:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Akradecki (talk · contribs)

Co-Nomination by Lar

Akradecki first came to my attention when I was assigned (along with Guinnog (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) as his coach. I am extremely impressed with this user and his contributions to the project. We've been coaching him for a while, in fits and starts, mostly because some real life things stood in the way, and because he wasn't sure if he wanted to proceed, so our coaching focused more on the "why one would want to be an admin" than the mechanics. We gave him a few exercises but he flew right through those, he gets the blocking and tackling part cold. You can see more on that here: User:Akradecki/Admin coaching and here: User talk:Akradecki/Admin coaching This is a user who "gets it" He is way past ready in my view and will make a superb addition to the mopwielding horde. ++Lar: t/c 20:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Co-Nomination by User:Guinnog

To my shame I haven't added anything of substance to Akradecki's editor review; both of us have had busy spells in the last months. In following Lar's excellent work in the review though, it became obvious to me that Akradecki is more than ready for adminship. I already knew him as a level-headed and policy-savvy editor, but I now feel confident that he has the thoughtfulness and temperament to make productive use of the tools. He will be as good an administrator as he has been an editor. --Guinnog 01:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I humbly accept. Akradecki 22:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: On a day-to-day basis, I plan initially on focusing on CSD backlogs and on AIV (sometimes, when I've reported a vandal there, there's been quite a backlog, so that will always get monitored whenever I'm online). As an editor, I've had the privilege of working with several really good admins who have helped with some complex conflicts, and so I hope to return the favor and make myself available to assist other editors that I work with on a regular basis (and any others who might drop by with a request) with tasks that only an admin can perform.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: If you've looked at my user page or my contribs page, you'll see that I've started a lot of articles. I hope the articles I've started could be seen to fit into the management doctrine of Q...Quantity and Quality. As for specifics, its hard to pick one out, but I think I'd have to say 1999 South Dakota Learjet crash. This was a fascinating - if tragic - subject to research, and I felt a little honored when it was given Good Article status with very little additional cleanup needed. Beyond that, I work heavily in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Aviation and, to the extend that this project intersects with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Disaster management, I work with a couple editors there as well. Some view their WP work as an individualistic empire to build, others view it as a social club, I see it as a place where one can work as a member of a team to accomplish what no one individual can, so beyond the articles I've created or expanded, I think the best contributions I've been able to make are those where I work as a team with other editors to make this a quality product.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Yes and no. Yes, there have been conflicts, no it hasn't caused me stress. As to the first part, it would be hard to do any serious editing/cleaning/improving without having conflicts, especially when you run across those inevitable editors who either want to deliberately harm the project, or those who want to make it into what they believe it should be, instead of what the project really is supposed to be (an encyclopedia, and one as thoroughly compiled and as professionally written as possible). The issue, in my mind, isn't whether conflicts happen, but rather how one reacts when they do happen. My general tack is to be patient and focus on policies and guidelines. I view policies and guidelines as a good thing, because they bring a much-needed uniformity to such a large project. When needed, I follow the sequence of user warnings, until it gets to the point that an admin needs to be brought into the loop. I try to focus on the project and its needs rather than on the personalities and the egos. As for the stress issue, when it's all said and done, there will never be an edit, nor a conflict, which is a life-and-death matter. In my day job, if I mess up, someone could die. On Misplaced Pages, if I mess up, my mistakes can be reverted and I might owe someone an apology, but that's really the extent of it. So, stress? Not hardly.
Optional question from falsedef
4. A contentious edit is against overwhelming talk page consensus, yet is backed up by reliable sources. The talk page consensus view is intuitively seen as correct, and therefore those editors replace the edit with their own, but they no reliable sources. What sort of actions and compromises should be taken to resolve the issue?
A: Cool, I was wondering if/when I'd get an optional question! Nicely posed situation...on the surface, no easy solution (so, hope you don't mind a long answer). One could coldly refer to policy and guidelines...both consensus and verifiability are fully policy, so which takes precedence? Per Consensus, Verifiabilty does. Specifically this provision from Consensus: "Consensus decisions in specific cases are not expected to override consensus on a wider scale very quickly (such as content-related policies/guidelines like Misplaced Pages:Verifiability or Misplaced Pages:No original research)." So, there is an answer, of sorts, provided by strict policy...but is that the end of it? If it weren't for personalities, sure. But there's people to consider, too. Stricly wielding policy will do little other than piss just about everyone off. So, first step, is to engage in a discussion, with the realization that the issue doesn't really need to be decided right now. Patience also plays a part. It might take a couple of days, or even a week. The discussion should be focused on highlighting the policy, and trying to encourage, in a positive way, the group to see that reliable-sourced material is superior to unsourced material. But, there's probably also room to step back and try to see things from the other editor's point of view. Would it be possible to write things in a way that both views are covered? Is it possible to find a ref for the unreffed material? This borders on the Law of the Third Alternative: don't make the mistake of only seeing the world as a choice between only two opposing alternatives. And, there's always the point of view to be considered that asks why I have to insist on my way? Is it really so essential to life that my addition be added, ever if it's the "better" one? One must pick one's battles carfully. Ok, but what if none of this works, and it really is important enough to make a bigger issue of? I'm of the belief that some things simply shouldn't be attempted alone. At this point my instinct would be to go get a second opinion, from another admin that I trust, and proceed from there. I know I haven't given you a succinct, straight to the point answer, but sometimes there are situations in life that simply can't be answered that way. What I hope I've provided you with instead is a glimpse at the process, the approach that I'd take, and have taken in such situations. In the end, would I get the answer right? I would hope so, but I honestly can't promise that. I try to be careful, I try to sensitive to others I work with, but in the end, I can make mistakes. And, if I do, at least I'll have another experience to learn from. Akradecki 03:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


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Discussion

Support

  1. First one's free. Per nom. ++Lar: t/c 04:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support This editor looks entirely qualified for the admin tools. A good spread of edits across the main spaces & no problems as far as I can see in any of the random diffs that I chose to examine. (aeropagitica) 04:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support - no signs of abusing the tools..Goodluck..----Cometstyles 05:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support Completely qualified as stated above; the right fit for the job! Jmlk17 07:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support. Clearly cool-headed and does good work. - Zeibura S. Kathau 08:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Should do a good job-—arf! 11:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. -- Y not? 13:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support user has a good record of activity in all different spaces, has shown maturity in editing. He seems dedicated, let's give him a mop. —Anas 13:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support. Fly like an eagle! :-) Abeg92contribs 14:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support Has a good grasp of Misplaced Pages policy. Will do well with the extra tools. FloNight 15:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support. I'm convinced that he will do a great job as admin. Phaedriel - 15:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support, as co-nom. --Guinnog 17:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Strong Strong Support - I have worked very closley with this editor through WP:AIRCRAFT and WP:AVIATION. Great collaborative spirit, great knowledge of policy and an amzingly civil editor in difficult situations. If I knew he was going for RFA, I would have offered to co nom. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support Quality contributor, solid knowledge of policy. JavaTenor 18:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Kusma (talk) 18:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 18:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Rettetast 20:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support - Bueno. Georgewilliamherbert 20:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support in agreement with the above. Acalamari 21:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support I agree with Chrislk02: Akradecki is an active, balanced, civil, and constructive editor and would be a creditable addition to Misplaced Pages's administrator ranks. Askari Mark (Talk) 22:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support: While user has plenty of experience and edit summary usage is also excellent, user seems to have a firm knowledge of the policies and will make a fine administrator.  Orfen  | Contribs 23:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support of course. KrakatoaKatie 00:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support Ready for the mop. Gutworth 02:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support per noms. – Riana 09:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support Already an crew member, it is time to give him wings! gidonb 13:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support A fine looking user. Captain panda 21:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Strong and serious support Yes. NHRHS2010 01:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support Q3 rocked. the_undertow 05:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support A 'pedia builder. cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 11:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support Good editor, not afraid to remove information when necessary too. (An unsourced edit may be "true" but it's still unsourced.) Anynobody 23:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support Good editor, good attitude, hard worker. Modernist 11:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support - looks ok --Herby 10:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Oppose! Not enough portal talk edits!!! Walton 18:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    Just kidding. Walton 18:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support Seems versed in policy and experienced in editing, with uses for admin tools. I don't think burnout is much of an issue. falsedef 18:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support seems like a good candidate --rogerd 02:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. Support per excellent answers PeaceNT 18:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. Support Joe I 05:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  39. Support Get on it! Dfrg.msc 08:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  40. Strong Support– I was very impressed by his answers to his admin coaches. He does clearly "get it" and he's not a yes-man either. — Madman bum and angel (talkdesk) 14:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  41. Terence 14:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  42. Support per noms. Sarah 17:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

  1. At 30-40 edits per day, I'm afraid this user will burn out. I appreciate the number of contributions, but adminship is not a prize for making lots of contributions. I would prefer we promoted admins who are more representative of normal editors. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 04:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    Hmmm, 30-40 isn't so bad really, I know people who make over a hundred - come to think of it, I probably racked up 50-60 a day before I was an admin, and can sometimes get about 150-200 these days. But it's your call :) – Riana 09:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    Thanks, rspeer / ɹəədsɹ , for you input, it actually raises a good point, one that I discussed a bit during the coaching phase, specifically time management. I'm blessed with a job wherein there's "down" time during the day when I can relax in front of the computer. I'm also blessed with a wife who loves jigsaw puzzles, so I have more time that I get to devote to the project (ok, so sometimes my teenage daughter will say "put down the computer, its my time!). I fully realize that if I get the tools, my focus will be shifting to maintenance work rather than so much research, and that should actually be fun. If I feel "burned out" on a particular day, I can always spend a few hours writing an article to refresh myself. As for my current edit count levels, given the large number of articles on my watchlist, a lot of what I do everyday is simply revert vandalism and warn vandals...that can easily eat of 15-20 edits, or half my daily output. Anyway, thanks for bringing up a valid subject to discuss. Akradecki 13:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Notes

  1. Candidates were restricted to editors with an extended confirmed account following the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I § Proposal 25: Require nominees to be extended confirmed.
  2. Voting was restricted to editors with an extended confirmed account following the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I § Proposal 14: Suffrage requirements.
  3. The community determined this in a May 2019 RfC.
  4. Historically, there has not been the same obligation on supporters to explain their reasons for supporting (assumed to be "per nom" or a confirmation that the candidate is regarded as fully qualified) as there has been on opposers.
  5. Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 17: Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions and Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Designated RfA monitors
  6. This sort of introspection is exactly what I think admin coaching is good for, more than for practice and rote memorization of mechanical stuff
  7. for example, look at his answer to the User:CatherineMunro#Why am I here? essay question. in the Reading list discussion section of his coaching.
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Yonatan

final (53/0/0); Ended 21:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yonatan (talk · contribs) - I first met Yonatan on Commons, where he goes by Yonatanh. I have found him to be a trustworthy, helpful and hardworking user, and a good there admin. He pretty much singlehandedly implemented the Commons version of the Checkuser reporting and tracking system, after I suggested that one ought to be done, and before I myself could get around to doing it. He is often involved in image related and housekeeping tasks on Commons and here as well (there are huge backlogs for images that were moved to commons). He is active as an OTRS user, and in general does a lot of image cleanup work. He has also done a bit of vandal fighting here as well. He runs an interwiki bot, which has a bot flag on over 30 different wikipedias, and he runs a different bot on commons.

Yonatan has never had any significant conflicts here on en, and is a steady chap and stalwart contributor. The project will greatly benefit from his having admin both here and on commons... (dual adminships are very useful to en for a number of reasons). However, it should be noted that this user does not have an endorsement from any WikiProject. :)

++Lar: t/c 05:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
I gladly accept this nomination. Yonatan 21:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: Anything that sparks my interest so based on my contributions up until now it'll be a wide variety of areas. However, I suppose this question requires a more specific answer so I'd definitely do a lot of work in the image field which as a commons administrator I have a lot of experience in (and I've worked quite a bit in this area here too). I would probably help out on WP:AIV when help is needed and check CAT:CSD (the article part too). In the future, as I get more experience with WP:CFD I'd like to help out in that area and due to the fact I've had to wait awhile before for protected edits, I'd closely monitor Category:Misplaced Pages protected edit requests. This answer is getting a bit long now but I feel I must also mention WP:BLP since as a person with access to OTRS, I'm bound to run into these issues (and have in the past). Yonatan 06:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: I don't think I can really point to one area, or one article, where I've contributed the most but I think mostly my edits in the image namespace have been the best and the sporadic contributions to different football articles. I would, however, like to contribute more to the article namespace in the future. Yonatan 06:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I don't think I've gotten in any major conflicts with other users on the English Misplaced Pages, although I have stepped in to try and defuse the situation on occasion. On the Wikimedia Commons, I have had conflicts over editing and believe I always remained civil, acted according to policy and asked other people to tell me whether I'm in the wrong or not. Yonatan 06:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments

Bots

I run an interwiki bot that has a bot flag on over 30 wikipedias. In addition, I run a bot that substs templates, welcomes new users and in the future will move free pictures from he\en over to commons. Yonatan 20:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


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Discussion

Support

  1. Unconditional support. I've seen Yonatan doing great work both here and on Commons where he is already an administrator. We have a shortage and very real need for people with dual-adminship here and on Commons. One of our biggest deletion backlogs has been categories of images which are also on commons. Yonatan is calm, well reasoned and intelligent with exactly the experience we're looking for in an admin. Would be a real asset with the mop. WjBscribe 21:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. ++Lar: t/c 21:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support - trusted at Wikimedia Commons - clearly knows a huge amount regarding copyright. -- Nick 21:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support, seems knowledgeable and experienced. Lots of positive interactions even when deleting people's images, which can be very contentious. --Spike Wilbury 21:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support - I've interacted with this user several times on IRC, trying to look up image licenses on deleted images. Shows a need for the tools. Sean William 21:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support No problems noted. And I like the calm response to the former oppose comment. Should do an excellent job with the extra tools. FloNight 22:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support obviously knowledgeable in the inner-workings of Misplaced Pages; by giving the tools, this user could truly flourish! Jmlk17 22:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. -- Y not? 23:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support Seems alright. Majorly (talk | meet) 23:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Full Support - I was hitting my head against the wall for forgetting where I'd met this user, then it hit me... while I haven't had much experience with this editor, he looks like he can use the tools, and on the strength of our common friends I have no regrets supporting. David Fuchs 23:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support. Does good work here, on Commons, and on OTRS, particularly in copyright policy. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 23:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support, yes! --Phoenix 00:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support we need more people who understand policies/guidelines both here and on Commons, and overall a very good user with experience on both wikis. Although I've only seen/met him on Commons, his experience there somehow reflects how he does here, and I'm very happy to say that you've done a great job both here and Commons. Keep it up! V60 01:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support I've seen this user around. All is fine. Acalamari 01:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support A good candidate on the record for this project alone, and people who are able to handle crosswiki matters are an especially valuable asset. --Shirahadasha 01:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support looks good.-- danntm C 02:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support Seems images will profit greatly from his expertise. JodyB talk 02:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support. Mainly based off my one interaction with him on Commons, where he was efficient in his moppage, and random sightings of him there doing constructive and sane things. - BanyanTree 04:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support - enuf said!!..----Cometstyles 05:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support. Lupo 11:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Strong Support through my interactions with Yonatan, I found him to be civil and helpful, and am confident he will only make Misplaced Pages a better place with the acquisition of the tools. Plus, admins experienced with images are always needed. All the best, Anas 13:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support -- ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 14:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support Another great candidate for the mop - I'm impressed. Regards — The Sunshine Man 14:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 18:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support - looks okay to me. Deb 19:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Rettetast 20:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support. Good user. feydey 21:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support: Has plenty of experience and edit summary usage is good. Should be nice having a dual administrator and having an experienced image administrator is also very good.  Orfen  | Contribs 23:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support D. Recorder 00:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support - KrakatoaKatie 00:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support - This user seems sensible in my limited interactions with him. --After Midnight 01:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Support - any monumental changes to the project will be met with conflict. Yonatan's reaction and composure during those conflicts give me the impression he is knowledgable about policy without being pushy, and knows what to do against opposing perspectives. Furthermore, his HUGE number of contributions on Talk pages lets me know that Yonatan is one to talk something out before editing. ALTON .ıl 05:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support without doubt, competent and conscientious --Herby 09:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support, need dual WP/Commons admins, it's a good idea. – Riana 09:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Support just for inter-Wiki, let alone his contributions here--Simul8 12:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. Support. Trusted editor. utcursch | talk 12:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. Support Certainly. gidonb 13:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  39. Support Good user. Captain panda 21:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  40. Support--MONGO 08:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  41. Support - cross-wiki admin...cool...cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 11:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  42. Support Seen him around a number of times over the past year, all of them positive. Oldelpaso 21:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  43. Support We need more sysops. Anynobody 05:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  44. Support Definitely an excellent candidate; is a wonderful admin on other projects, always helpful and works hard. He'll be a great asset here as an administrator. — Editor at Large 13:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  45. Yonatan is an excellent Wikimedia volunteer who has demonstrated his trustworthiness and communication skills on several projects, most notably Commons and OTRS. gaillimh 06:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  46. Migh as well pile on my Support. Goodnightmush 15:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  47. PeaceNT 16:34, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  48. Not a single reason to oppose, load of reasons to support. MaxSem 05:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  49. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  50. Strong support - was on my hit list. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  51. Support Joe I 05:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  52. $upport Good worker, fast thinker. Mop him boys! Dfrg.msc 08:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  53. Support per Mr Lar's excellent nomination. Sarah 15:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Oppose - Per this edit, user clearly doesn't understand copyright. A fictional character which is copyrighted clearly can't be reproduced freely. Matthew 21:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Could you elaborate on that? The diff you gave seems to point to Yonatan putting in a tag that the image needs to be deleted. Which I agree with, are you saying it shouldn't be? I don't quite follow your next change to the page, and I'm not seeing that as evidence that Yonatan doesn't understand our policies. ++Lar: t/c 21:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
When I added this tag, the image was being used on the Claudia Black article, I hadn't noticed it was also used in the article it's in now. Yonatan 21:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Removed oppose per your rationale. You provide an understandable reason to tag the image. Matthew 21:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

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Nihiltres

Final (34/0/1); Ended 21.04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Nihiltres (talk · contribs) - Nihiltres is an experienced Wikipedian, having joined the project in April 2005, and has been very active since October 2006. He is a prolific vandal-fighter and also works extensively with templates. As such, he is an active participant in TfDs, giving him a detailed awareness of the deletion policy. He regularly tags articles for speedy deletion, so he is demonstrably aware of the speedy criteria and would be able to help ease the backlog at CAT:CSD. He also participates actively in RfAs and other community discussions, and understands fully what is expected of an administrator. Walton 10:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept. Nihiltres 19:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: There are a number of admin tools which I think I could use. The number one thing I intend to use is the ability to delete articles for speedy deletions. There are constantly files and articles being added to Misplaced Pages which are inappropriate, obviously non-notable, or even copyrighted. As an administrator, my primary use of "the mop" would be to help scrub out CAT:CSD, if you'll pardon my metaphor - non-admins are able to populate it as I do, but the clearance from there requires an admin. On the other hand, there are a lot of vandal-only accounts, and many of them repeatedly vandalize pages or create inappropriate ones. Indefinitely blocking obvious vandal-only accounts instead of having to report them on WP:AIV would reduce a step from the process I usually have to go through. I might also patrol WP:AIV sometimes instead of merely posting there, although I don't plan to spend the majority of my time there. If neither of these tasks were applicable, there is always some administrative backlog, and I intend to use that. I'm wary of XfD, but I'm confident that the task won't be a problem with careful, case-by-case examination of what, if any, consensus exists and if certain !votes have been placed for inappropriate reasons.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: My favourite contribution would have to be the rewriting of the Shade's Children article. Although the article is far from perfect, it's definitely my favourite contribution given that I raised it from a misleading stub to its present state as a B-class article, and that the book ranks among my favourites. Aside from that, I do cleanup here and there across some articles, having lately fixed up the Yellow (disambiguation) page to meet dab page standards, for example. I find those to be my best contributions. In terms of my greatest contributions, however, I think of one main thing: shoveling through tagging CSDs, and warning the users who posted them appropriately. My favourite times among those are the times when a user insists that he can and will improve the article momentarily to reveal its notability: although some are deleted regardless, it is cheering that those users put in the effort, and I try to not bite by removing the speedy templates to give them a chance.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Unfortunately, yes, I have had such encounters. Aside from vandals, trolls, and the like, who usually simply vandalize my userpage a few times and are blocked, there are two incidents which stand out to me, and explaining how I dealt with them should give a reasonably clear picture of how I have dealt with conflicts before:
  1. A while ago, I attempted to standardize the spelling variations of two articles, Blue and Black, to a single spelling. Since this is such a contentious issue, users immediately criticized my change. I think some of them may have reverted my changes. This was unfortunately exacerbated in two ways. First by an ambiguous edit summary of mine: I noted that I changed the spellings to the "more common" version, while what I had meant was "the version more prevalent in the article." Secondly, by the fact that both times, I had standardized the article to the British or Commonwealth spelling. After having users question my judgement and assume (reasonably, I'd say, though wrongly) that I was pushing a variety, I explained my actions, and the articles were soon standardized as per guidelines on the matter, which I learned about in the process. I abstained from making such edits for a while, as well, to avoid backlash. It wasn't much of a problem, but it was quite stressful to have my good faith edits questioned as problematic.
  2. Later on, I had a problem with an editor who kept reverting an article to a redirect: the editor was 216.165.158.7/DreamGuy, and the article, for those who are curious, was Photoshop tennis and later also Photoshopping. Although DreamGuy's actions were, in some ways, what eventually was done according to consensus, he repeatedly replaced the articles with redirects against consensus to do so, and was making personal attacks . I implored him to discuss his actions and reach a consensus to do something, a suggestion he initially discounted . After a point, I treated the replacements as vandalism, having warned him earlier that his edits against a consensus could be construed that way as per policy definition of vandalism (replacing pages with one's own version against consensus, in this case.) Eventually, and if I remember correctly, for other reasons, the IP was temporarily blocked. This allowed another editor and I to set up a poll for consensus on what to do with the article(s), which eventually reached a consensus to merge things in certain ways. DreamGuy's IP has since been indefinitely blocked, I imagine as the result of an AN/I discussion I saw, because of the disruptive ways in which it was used. I'm not sure about DreamGuy himself.
In the future, I plan to follow the same approach as I have with these: if my actions are questioned, I explain my reasoning and listen for suggestions. If a user is problematic, asking them to be civil is the first approach, after which other, gradually more forceful warnings and then measures are used if the user continues acting inappropriately. All in all, it is, in general, reasonably simple: m:Don't be a dick. If you think that there's something else I should do that's not mentioned here, please tell me - improvement is always good.
Optional question from daveh4h
4. What is your opinion of ignore all rules as a policy? Can you think of a circumstance where it may be appropriate to ignore all rules?
A: The "Ignore all rules" policy is, in my opinion, one that encourages users to solve problems, and not necessarily to break rules. The policy does qualify it: "If the rules prevent you from improving ". It's a matter of encouraging users to think outside the box, or for that matter, outside processes which have already been established, in order to solve a problem. For example, although in general disambiguation pages should not have images, WP:MOSDAB says that there are a few cases where having an image or several is helpful, like the example given there: Mississippi Delta (disambiguation). I prefer to follow policies and guidelines whenever possible, since they're built on a great deal of thought that has been given to how things shoud be done appropriately and in a coordinated way. I might ignore a rule to help someone do something unusual, to make sure that the formatting looks good even if it doesn't quite fit with the style guide's idea, to make light of an overly tense discussion to ease the atmosphere (see also {{shrubbery}}, I haven't used it yet but it seems appropriate to mention), or some other situation where, technically, one is breaking the rules, but, practically, is doing a good job. The only time I can think of that I have actually used IAR is on a style issue, where the usual ideal looked awful , so I reverted myself . (By the way, I've made a lot of references to disambiguation page procedure. This isn't all I do, if you're wondering - these just happen to make good examples, I find.)
Optional question from DGG
5. As an admin you will have the ability to delete a page in a single step, and not just tag it for confirmation by another admin. When will you use this power, and when will you tag and wait for confirmation? DGG 22:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
A: On clear cases of nonsense, vandalism, and/or attack pages, or, to a lesser extent, spam and obviously non-notable people, I would delete as a single step. It's sometimes clear just from the title of a page that it qualifies for deletion. One I dealt with recently, where the creator repeatedly removed the speedy tag, was called something along the lines of "Insights gained while under the influence of nitrous oxide". In cases where the subject matter may be notable but I do not know of him, her, or it, I often prefer, even as a non-admin, to tag the page with {{notability}} instead of {{db-bio}}. There are a lot of clear cases where the article just outlines a person, often born in the 1990s, who is still in high school, and who either hasn't done anything notable or only *will*, according to the article, do something notable in the future - a violation of the fact that Misplaced Pages isn't a crystal ball. On the other hand, I've seen others where it hasn't been entirely clear, and I have, under those circumstances, given more leeway - especially if the author insists that they are expanding the article and will source it. In a nutshell: I'll delete the obvious cruft immediately - who wouldn't? For others, however, I watch that my deletion/tagging reason isn't just that I don't know about that topic.

General comments


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Discussion

Support

  1. Support as nominator. Walton 20:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support. A quick review of his last couple talk archives showed that he seems to have a grasp on discussing conflicts civilly (there were a few 'hey, why did you tag my article for deletion?' inquiries that he seemed to handle well.) I don't have any recollection of seeing this user flip out and kill people like a ninja (who are mammals, btw) so sure, why not? Looks like a good match. - CHAIRBOY () 20:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support The user is very experienced and is sane. Therefore, the user can be trusted to not make insane decisions. Teke 20:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. SupportI forsee no problems from this user using the tools. JodyB talk 20:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Rettetast 20:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support Trust him to remain calm under pressure. the_undertow 20:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support. I see lots of patient interaction with other editors, which goes miles in my book. --Spike Wilbury 21:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support - nothing in the quick review of contribs that worries me. Philippe 23:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support - Looks good. VegaDark (talk) 00:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support always civil, shows a clear understanding of policies, and overall a great user. V60 01:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support Good candidate with a good nominator. Acalamari 01:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support - Good Candidate, good nominator and even great answers..Good luck...----Cometstyles 05:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Supadupa support great candidate. SWATJester 05:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Strong support - a very good user, seen them around and will do well with the tools. Ryan Postlethwaite 09:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Strong Support definitely qualified for adminship. Answers to questions are excellent and user is civil and level-headed. —Anas 12:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support A great candidate for the mop, your policy knowledge seems excellent and your work with speedy deletions is to excellent, you'd make a great admin, best of luck to you. Regards — The Sunshine Man 14:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support, Good attitude as far as I've seen. --Quiddity 18:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support, per all of the above. Boricuaeddie 19:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support: User has plenty of experience and edit summary usage is excellent. Should make a fine administrator.  Orfen  | Contribs 23:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support Alright. Seems like a nice guy ^_^ Majorly (talk | meet) 00:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support: Nihiltres always wins arguments, unfortunately (for me, that is :-) ). ~ Magnus animuM ≈ √∞ 01:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support Seems like he will make a great admin. daveh4h 01:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support, and I see nothing wrong with the dialogue cited below - seems to be a fairly standard response to me. – Riana 09:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support A nice admin this user will make I think. Captain panda 21:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support--MONGO 08:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support - A good editor who seems to have an excellent grasp of policies, how to apply them, and how to work well with others. Doc Tropics 16:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support - A civil and conscientious user who will I feel use the mop well, given past performance. Orderinchaos 21:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support. No reasons not to. Goodnightmush 15:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. PeaceNT 16:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support Joe I 05:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. $upport Dfrg.msc 08:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support per Walton. Sarah 17:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

  1. Neutral for the time being. Could you explain this dialogue? You've been generally civil overall, but the tone of your comments here gave me some pause. The child's claim seemed plausible. I'm not objecting to your deleting the article, and I appreciate your giving a personal rather than a template reply. That said, I do believe it's important to make some allowances in tone when dealing with a child, particularly one who isn't being a vandal and who seems to be caught between a rock and a hard place. It wouldn't have hurt to express just a bit of sympathy for the predicament. This isn't enough to keep you from being an admin, but I would ask you to keep this in mind and do better if this kind of situation should ever come up again. Thanks, --Shirahadasha 02:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
It's a fair comment - my tone was somewhat chilly in that dialogue. For all that I can make excuses (Late-night edit for me, tired, had just been fixing vandalism, and other such pitiful defenses), you've got a point. This is something I'll try to address regardless of the outcome of this RfA - compassion is important in all contexts of life. Nihiltres 02:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Just for the record, User:Phaedriel deleted the article. User:Nihiltres, not at that time being an admin, could not have done so. Though he did tag it.--Anthony.bradbury 20:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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Arctic.gnome

Final (36/1/1); Ended 16:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Arctic.gnome (talk · contribs) - I have been a wikipedian for a bit over two years now, and I would like to take on a bit more responsibility in the encyclopedia. Most of my edits deal with the Canadian government and with the featured topics nomination, but I have individual edits on many other articles. Having admin powers would save me some time in my vandal fighting and project managing, and I think I understand well enough how this place works to be trusted with them. Arctic Gnome (talkcontribs) 16:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: The ability to move, delete, and semi-protect pages would help in my day-to-day editing; I now have to make some requests of admins when I'm tidying up page organization. I would be able to help out with some backlogs that I can't help with now, like speedy deletions. I already spend a great deal of time reverting vandalism and giving out warnings; it would be nice to be able to block vandals on my own. I'd be interested in keeping an eye on the Special:Unwatchedpages to stop vandals. And finally, although admin powers aren't needed for it, I would like to have a bit more legitimacy when closing debates on WP:FTC.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: My biggest contribution recently has been getting the featured topics project off the ground. I found the idea on an orphaned page, so I made the page look nice, re-worked the nomination procedure and criteria, and added links to the project. Since then I have been doing most of the work of closing debates and promoting topics.
I'm also proud of all of my featured lists, such as List of Canadian federal parliaments. In those lists, I (with others) have taken simple groups of links and turned them into what is probably a better source of quick information than anything online or in any book. I'm also happy that there are no longer any gaps in series like 1st to 39th Canadian Parliament and 1st to 28th Canadian Ministry, even though most of those articles are fairly short.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I’ve been in a few some drawn-out debates, the most stressful being in Lengths of science fiction film and television series and Canadian science fiction where a user and I had opposite views about how somethings should be defined. I’ve found the best solution is to offer compromises, like adding a footnote to explain the differing points of view. If the user doesn’t accept a middle ground, I ask members of a related wikiproject to break the stalemate.

Optional question from Durova

4. What would you do as an administrator about ideological or profit motive attempts to manipulate Misplaced Pages? Bear in mind this statement from Brad Patrick as well as this news story, this conference summary, this press release, and these blogs. Durova 18:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Optional question from Abu badali

5. What do you think about the recent Foundation resolution on unfree material usage, and what implications (immediate and long term) do you believe it will have for English language Misplaced Pages?
This looks pretty close to the rules already in place; this declaration just gives a bit more authority to users who hunt for non-free images to delete. I don't care about Misplaced Pages being reproducible and copyright-safe nearly as much as I care about it being useful and accessible, but of course I'll obey whatever copyright rules the community chooses to uphold. --Arctic Gnome (talkcontribs) 05:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


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Discussion

  • Seems to me that there's a problem with WP:FTC if this user's input is not being taken as seriously as it would be if he were an admin. I've never participated at FTC, but why would adminship there matter? --JayHenry 17:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    It doesn't matter, but since I'm a main actor with FT, it would probably be useful to have admin powers in case there is ever a big problem that comes up. --Arctic Gnome (talkcontribs) 02:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Support

  1. Support - Great work in WP:CANADA and related areas. Aquarius • talk 17:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. support I initially had some concerns looking through this users contributions since many of them seem to be very formulaic. For example, recently on May 9 the user made over 20 edits classifying the importance of various highways in Saskatchewan and Ontario. Similarly, on April 22, the user spent a large amount of time making redirects from "nth Parliament of Canada" to "nth Canadian Parliament". This makes the user's edit count of over 10,000 edits slightly less impressive than it might look initially and such edits make it more difficult to determine a user's knowledge of policy and general temperament. However, the majority of the user's edits are more individualized and as far as I can tell demonstrate a good understanding of policy (I do however disagree with his assertion on his user page that he is not a Wikignome- a substantial fraction of his edits seem to be Wikignoming Canada related matters). I also had some concern about a lack of topical diversity in the user's edits, since having such a background helps also show understanding of policy and makes any potential problems more likely to turn up. This objection I have also found to be not a serious worry for two reasons: First, the user has a substantial number of edits that are outside Canadian subjects. Second, Canada is a very broad topic which covers a large number of different types of articles including articles about geography, politics, culture, science, and entertainment. Artic has edited extensively in all those topics in both mainspace and other spaces. Overall, this is a candidate for giving the tools who is both competent and trustworthy. If I had known about the editor before hand and had known he was intending to run I would have been happy to nominate him myself. JoshuaZ 18:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Rettetast 19:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support per JoshuaZ. Walton 19:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support Looking at this editor's edits across the main spaces, I see no reason to think that the admin tools would be abused. (aeropagitica) 19:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support I'm glad to have wikignomes around - hate to think what the place would look like without them. Give him the tools and let him work. JodyB talk 20:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support --Spike Wilbury 22:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support Looks good...supporting. Jmlk17 22:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support All is well here. Acalamari 01:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support. Good contributions and experience, and it's clear from his editing patterns that the tools would be put to good use. Krimpet (talk) 07:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support browsing quickly through his talk page and contributions, I find Arctic a very good adminship candidate and more than qualified to use the tools. —Anas 12:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support I've seen this editor around, does a good job. DarthGriz98 15:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this candidate! - 18:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support, cautious and bold in appropriate measure. --Quiddity 18:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. No big deals here - Go ahead. -- FayssalF - 18:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support: User has a nice amount of experience, however user's edit summary usage for minor edits is very low. This is not enough for me to oppose or neutral, however I would personally like to see this improved in the future. Good luck!  Orfen  | Contribs 23:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    That's just because I don't use the minor edit button very often. I've used edit summaries for all edits, major and minor, for the last four months. --Arctic Gnome (talkcontribs) 01:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support - After reviewing this user's wide-ranging contributions I believe he has need for and will appropriately use the admin tools. I am pleased he has improved his use of edit summaries as this is an important means of communication for all users, not just Administrators. — Meersan 16:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support Trustworthy, behind the scenes contributor who will do the right thing. -- Jreferee 16:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support, Meets my personal standards. --Random 20:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support Looks like a good user to become an admin. Captain panda 21:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. support but you reely need to work on user talk 240 is relly too low with over 10000 edits you haveOo7565 21:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    I find it much more useful to use the talk pages of whatever article I'm concerned about rather than a user's talk page. You'll notice that I have 2100 edits in the article talk namespace. That way, other users can contribute to the discussion. The only times when I feel that I only want to talk to one user is when I'm giving new users a heads up about an editing faux pas, when I'm apologizing for something, or when I'm congratulating someone. --Arctic Gnome (talkcontribs) 05:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support--MONGO 08:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. PeaceNT 15:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support from Majorly (talk | meet) 21:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support Intelligent, well thought out answers to questions, pleasant to work with, never problematic, experienced. WilyD 21:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support Good work in getting featured topics going, being civil when the project was nominated for deletion, and keeping up with the project as it has grown and gained attention. Trustworthy, good admin candidate. --Aude (talk) 18:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:34, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support See no reason will not make a good admin. Davewild 16:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support - Agathoclea 18:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support - I would definitely trust this user with the mop. Nihiltres 22:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support go Sens go -- Samir 01:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Support Joe I 05:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. $upport Venerable and hard-working. Dfrg.msc 09:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support Sarah 15:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Support, no reason to oppose.--Wizardman 15:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose - "I don't care about Misplaced Pages being reproducible and copyright-safe nearly as much as... - We have enough admins with this unhelpful feeling. --Abu badali 18:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    If you'll read the end of that comment, I said that I'll still obey Misplaced Pages's copyright rules; I respect the rules even when I don't agree with them. I just meant that hunting for copyrighted material is not one of the tasks on which I spend my time; I find that for me, adding content and fighting vandalism are more interesting and more useful tasks. I'm here to make Misplaced Pages useful for users, not to help people make a profit off of mirroring it. --Arctic Gnome (talkcontribs) 01:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    Allowing "mirrors" is the least interesting thing the copyleft nature of Misplaced Pages permits. This feeling that we are here creating just a useful website is what I see as detrimental in the long term. I just wouldn't like to have one more powerful editor that doesn't care about (although respect) our first pillarthird pillar. --Abu badali 04:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    The first pillar is exactly what I do care about, and fair use images support the goal of Misplaced Pages being an accurate and useful encyclopedia. Did you mean to say the third pillar, the one about GFDL? I think that public domain images should be used as much as possible, but in my humble opinion it is overkill when we delete images which the owner allows to be used by non-profit sites such as this one. That being said, I'd like to once again say that when I have to make a decision, I choose established Misplaced Pages rules over my own opinions. --Arctic Gnome (talkcontribs) 04:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    (Yes, I meant the 3rd, sorry). "...non-profit sites such as this one" - That's the whole point of my concerns: You see Misplaced Pages just as a website. Our policy on unfree content usage reflects our long terms goal as a free content encyclopedia (something that can exist offline) and most of discontentment with this policy comes from users that think they are here just helping to build a useful website.
    "when I have to make a decision, I choose established Misplaced Pages rules over my own opinions" - That wasn't the case when you adventured in doing the admin task of closing an image deletion debate. You decided to keep and unsourced unfree image of a living person that lacked a fair use rationale. --Abu badali 11:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


Neutral

  1. Neutral To quote: "The ability to move, delete, and semi-protect pages would help in my day-to-day editing". Although an active and excellent contributor I can't see any justification for the demotion here. Why do you need the tools? Pedro |  Chat  19:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Doesn't the quote give the justification? You need admin tools to perform certain page moves, and to delete and semi-protect pages. I don't understand your question. --Spike Wilbury 21:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    When I need to do chores like moving a page to conform with standard article names or protecting a page from vandals, the tools would save me the time of asking for an admin's help and would save an admin the time of having to do it for me. --Arctic Gnome (talkcontribs) 02:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Yes, I understand the tools. I can't understand your need for the tools. How often do you have to ask an admin for assistance for example? If you could justify why you need them I would support. But just saying I need the tools so I can do what the tools do doesn't cut it. e.g. I need a hammer. Why? To bang in a nail. So what? because I need to hang a picture - ah! Justification!! As it is your RfA seems to be going well so good luck.Pedro |  Chat  09:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Pedro, adminship is supposed to be no big deal. The question is, do we trust that Arctic.gnome will use the mop well if it is given to him? I, among others, think so. Saying that he doesn't "need" the tools isn't much of an argument. Nihiltres 22:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    With respect, the whole point of being an admin is getting extra tools - As per Jimbo which you have paraphrased - "it's merely a technical thing". Admins need extra tools to do the job - being civil, mediating, welcoming, reverting vandalism, writing articles - any editor can do this. So if you don't need the tools then why be an admin - or is it in fact a "big deal" after all??? You say it isn't and please don't take this as ad hominum, but on your own user page you describe adminship as something to which you aspire. So you aspire to something that isn't a big deal. Hmmmm.... Sorry, your argument here is rather weak, but as I said before Arctic's Rfa is going well, and good luck to him. I am sure he will use the tools wisely. Pedro |  Chat  13:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
    That's fair, though the quote of me should be interpreted socially, not politically - again, adminship is a confirmation of trust. I'll fix that the next time I update my userpage. Ignore my original comment: I was overly zealous, and RfA is being discussed for reform anyway. Sorry for being pushy, Nihiltres 15:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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Lucasbfr

Final (58/0/0); Ended 12:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Lucasbfr (talk · contribs) - Co-nomination by Húsönd & Khukri

It is with great pleasure that we present Lucasbfr for your consideration.

Co-nomination by Húsönd: I cannot remember when did Lucas draw my attention for the first time, but after coming upon his name countless times I decided to peruse his contributions and verify if he was an administrator. When I discovered that he was not, I promptly offered to nominate him (I stand against blatant waste of admin potential). That offer was over four months ago, and I'm glad that he finally decided to launch this RFA. :-) Lucas's contributions are laudably diverse. He's not just an efficient and experienced editor, he's also an efficient and experienced wiki-cop who ruthlessly fights vandals, copyvio and sockpuppets. His participation in WP:XFD is also commendable. On top of all this, Lucas is a friendly and trustworthy user who would definitely make an excellent use of the admin tools. I strongly recommend adminship for this user, and ask my fellow Wikipedians to meticulously evaluate his contributions and give him the support he truly deserves.


Co-nomination by Khukri: Lucas first came to my attention around 7 months ago as a very thorough and diligent editor, whilst working on the WikiProject user warnings. I now see him regularly around WP:AIV, WP:XFD and also know about his work with Copyright Violations. Lucas started with the project in September 2005, but didn't start actively contributing until August the following year. Since then he has amassed some 13,000 edits, with 5,000 of those being mainspace edits. Even though he is a self confessed wikignome, he is not adverse to working on articles and has given valuable contributions to the World of Warcraft articles and the very sensitive Accusations of French genocide against Algerians. As my first ever nomination I am proud for that nomination to go to someone such as Lucas. I know him to be a very thoughtful person, whose insightful commentary, self effacing manner and good knowledge of Misplaced Pages policies make him in my opinion an ideal admin candidate and I whole heartedly recommend him to the community.

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept the nomination -- lucasbfr 12:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: I will definitely work on the usual backlogs we see on Misplaced Pages. These would include WP:PROD, the pages needing speedy deletion (especially G11 and G12, since I now have a fairly good understanding of the rules behind both of them by my work on suspected copyright violations), WP:AfD (and affiliates) and requested moves. I will also keep an eye on WP:AN and WP:AN/I, assisting users when needed. Being a RFCU clerk, I also plan on ensuring that the users confirmed by checkuser are blocked after the case is closed. And of course I won’t stop what I am already doing, being watching the new pages, the recent changes and CAT:HELP. I also plan to help good faith new users struggling with our policies, and help on CAT:UNBLOCK if that is needed. My aim is to help keeping Misplaced Pages running as smoothly as possible by ensuring that backlogs stay at a minimum. This is of course to get started, Misplaced Pages is big enough to always find something to do somewhere else.


2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: I think the contribution I am the most proud of is my participation to the WikiProject user warnings. I think that the "new" warning system is a huge improvement from the "old" one, and that we did a fairly comprehensive and simpler system with the exchange of ideas.
Still on the Misplaced Pages namespace side, I am one of the contributors working on Misplaced Pages:Suspected copyright violations, which helps finding and removing some obvious copyright violations that might slip otherwise. I also worked on Category:Misplaced Pages articles with topics of unclear importance to help depopulating the June 2006 part.
I am not a big article writer, English not being my mother tongue. I have more a wikignome attitude, formatting entries, correcting templates, adding or removing links, ... I browse the encyclopedia a lot and tend to correct the articles that cross my path.
Khukri mentioned Classes in World of Warcraft and Accusations of French genocide against Algerians, which appear the articles I worked the most on (as I said, I am more prone to edit all articles than stay on one). I crossed Classes in World of Warcraft during AfD patrol if I am correct. That was a fairly disputed AfD that ended with No Consensus. After the AfD, we tried to address the concerns as much as possible to prevent the article from being deleted.
I have no idea on how I crossed Accusations of French genocide against Algerians. First time I saw it, I was on the edge of bringing it to Deletion. But there was substance, and even if it really needed a huge cleanup, I thought it might be a good exercise to work on my neutrality (being French, I have an obvious bias). I must admit the article is far from perfect, but it is in much better shape now than it was beforehand. And if it was brought for Deletion, well, at least I would have tried doing something with it instead of leaving it abandoned.


3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I am someone that feels very bad when I make a mistake, and to prevent this I try to gain consensus as much as possible or often ask fellow editors to double check what I did. For now, beside the usual wiki-stress of vandal patrol, I don't recall having any heated argument that couldn't be sorted by communication and patience on Misplaced Pages. I am prone to admit my errors when I do one (and well, that happens sometimes and won’t probably stop. I have a bellybutton too) and I am much more often thanked than insulted ;).

Optional question from Durova

4. What would you do as an administrator about ideological or profit motive attempts to manipulate Misplaced Pages? Bear in mind this statement from Brad Patrick as well as this news story, this conference summary, this press release, and these blogs. Durova 18:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
A:I think there are two levels of POV pushing and advertising on Misplaced Pages: The well known obvious part is not a big threat it is spotted quite easily by all patrollers, that either {{db-spam}} it or AfD/Prod it. Shadowbot also does a good job reverting it.
I think this SPAM/POV is mainly done in good faith. We need to educate the editors on the spam and copyright issues involved (spam is very often copy pasted from the company website). Of course, assuming good faith does not mean being blind.
But there is a more subtle POV pushing made by certain organized individuals (paid, or not), there is more than one User:MyWikiBiz. This part is much more harmful because it is much harder to detect and can stay a long time without being detected. It is even done sometimes without the "spammer" knowing he is breaking policy by willing to tell "the truth" (In cases of conflicts of interests). I think this will soon be one of the main issues for Misplaced Pages. Our main asset on this case, is the number of people reading the encyclopedia and knowing how to report a non neutral article. We need to educate and help them. 00:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC) (pardon my english it is very late)
Optional question from daveh4h
5. What is your opinion of ignore all rules as a policy? Can you think of a circumstance where it may be appropriate to ignore all rules?
A:First of all, I think IAR is a policy that can be useful: policy can't fit each case (or it would be unreadable) and common sense needs to apply, when we are acting like admins. But IAR is not a free pass or a shield, in my opinion, a more suited name would be "Ignore all rules, and face the consequences". IAR is not a toy, and is not a way to get rid of some annoyance. Personally, if I would invoke IAR, I would report it at WP:ANI at once to ask for feedback. And I know that when you feel like the last defender of the Wiki, there is a high probability that you are the one mistaken.
Now, for the specifics, speedy deletion of a "useless" article that does not fit a speedy deletion criteria is not an option, we have other deletion processes and a "useless" article can stay the 5 days of the prod process without hurting the project. Correct me if I am mistaken, but the desysopping of User:Robdurbar was probably not in accordance with any of our processes, and is a good example of IAR used with common sense. 00:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC) (pardon my english it is very late)

General comments


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Discussion

Support

  1. Support as co-nom 12:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Why not? MER-C 13:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support as co-nom.--Húsönd 13:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Looks good to me. Kafziel 13:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Strong support Excellent user, civil, dedicated, great work in all areas. Should be an incredible asset. – Riana 13:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Strong support - Excellent candidate, would make an excellent administrator. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support worked with him at WP:SCV and this guy clearly is reliable and will make good use of the tools. --W.marsh 13:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support - Has been working very hard recently and would make an excellent Admin..----Cometstyles 14:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Terence 14:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support A good hardworker, will be excellent I'm sure. good luck! Majorly (talk | meet) 14:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support very dedicated, qualified, and excellent user. Give him a mop! —Anas 14:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. «Snowolf » supports this candidate for adminship, as he is confident that this user won't do anything stupid with the tools (added on 15:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC))
  13. Support seems like a excellent pontential admin Gutworth 15:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support Hmm, lucky thirteen! This is a hard-working editor with lots of potential to be a good admin too. (aeropagitica) 16:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. -- Y not? 17:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support. Good attitude, dedicated, very helpful at WP:RFCU, a little light on article talk edits (sorry, I hate when people do that), will make good use of the tools. MastCell 18:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support Excellent candidate; genuine cliche moment for me. Xoloz 18:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Rettetast 19:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Strong Support Lucasbfr definitely deserves the tools. He's done great work all around Misplaced Pages, and he also demonstrates a need for adminship. Nishkid64 (talk) 20:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support A hard worker, willing to help. JodyB talk 20:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support Great template work. Long overdue. the_undertow 20:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support I've seen Lucasbfr around before... as I recall, I thought he was an admin at the time (and not because he was bossy). I have no qualms about giving him a mop. EVula // talk // // 21:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support looks very well qualified. Let's give them the mop! Jmlk17 22:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support because the first line of his userpage makes me smile every time I read it. And, more importantly, because he's an excellent user and I thought he was already an admin. Will (aka Wimt) 00:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support: Seen him on RC patrol; could definitely use the mop. ~ Magnus animuM ≈ √∞ 01:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support Looks good. --Shirahadasha 03:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Good noms, good user - Support Ryan Postlethwaite 12:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support, looks like a well-balanced candidate that will help out a lot in needed areas. --Spike Wilbury 17:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 18:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Supporting. – B.hotep /t18:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support - errr, not one already? The Evil Spartan 19:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Support - First ran into this user at WP:RFCU. I think he's got the experience needed to pull it off. Sean William 20:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support in agreement with all of the above. Acalamari 20:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support Solid user and solid answers. Xiner (talk) 22:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Support: Has plenty of experience and edit summary usage is also excellent. Should make a fine administrator.  Orfen  | Contribs 23:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. Support Good mainspace contribs, good answers. Would make good use of the tools. daveh4h 01:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. Support. No reservations. I've seen Lucas in several places and invariably found him to be pleasant, sensible and constructive.--Kubigula (talk) 04:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  39. Support. Great editor. utcursch | talk 04:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  40. Support Noteworthy contributor. -- Jreferee 16:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  41. Support. WjBscribe 17:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  42. Support Good person to become an admin. Captain panda 21:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  43. Support Does good work on Misplaced Pages:Suspected copyright violations Garion96 (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  44. Support would be excellent as an admin. Lεmσηflαsh/(c) 23:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  45. I've been particularily impressed with this users' work in projectspace, from what I've seen over the past couple of months. Daniel 05:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  46. Support. An absolute no-brainer. AmiDaniel (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  47. Support--MONGO 09:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  48. PeaceNT 15:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  49. Strong support The best answer to my question that I've seen yet. I'm glad to see a candidate who understands the issue this well and hope you spend some of your sysop time addressing it. Those of us who work in this area could use the help! Durova 20:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  50. Suport - Good impression, good contributions that I can see, and the noms and a lot of other supporters are convincing. Georgewilliamherbert 23:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  51. Support unreservedly. Valuable contributor who will make a valuable admin. -- Satori Son 04:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  52. Support - per the above comments. Real96 02:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  53. Support per noms and everyone above. Sarah 08:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  54. Support nice set of edits, good pre-admin work.--VS 11:05, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  55. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  56. Cleared for adminship Experienced editor. // Pilotguy hold short 15:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  57. Support Joe I 05:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  58. Unnecessary $upport Read the above. Dfrg.msc 09:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

neutral needs work on more user talk 400 in 13000 edits is too low in my mind sorry cant support right nowOo7565 21:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I am not 100% sure of what you are talking about to be honest: do you mean 400 non-warnings edits on user talk? Or did you by any chance get mix up with my 380 edits on user space (and 5935 on user talk)? :) -- lucasbfr 22:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Stricken comment by RFA spammer.--Húsönd 23:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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Alvestrand

Final: (27/0/0); ended 04:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Alvestrand (talk · contribs) - Alvestrand contributes to Misplaced Pages since December 2005. He is actually maintaining one of our Dead end articles lists and contributing to the Missing articles wikiproject. I'm pretty sure he won't abuse the tools ;-) and has the experience needed. «Snowolf » 21:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
I accept the nomination.
Statement of principle: I am not seeking nomination. I have been nominated, and will accept if the community so desires, based on my understanding that an adminship is not a commitment to a specific amount of work, but a promise to use the tools properly if they are used at all. --Alvestrand 04:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: I'm mostly doing Misplaced Pages stuff in small chunks, spending 5 mins here and there. I'm likely to do admin stuff that fits that pattern - resolving simple backlogged things. The copyright violation backlog is one thing that I've noticed where resolving things more quickly would be a Good Thing.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: As noted above, I've made lots of small contributions. Backlog cleaning suits me - I've got lots of things requiring longer-term attention in my work, and the contrast appeals to me. Among bigger things, my most significant addition is probably initiating Relativity priority disputes - which turned a set of edit wars on Albert Einstein et al into an article giving good information on the "Einstein denier" phenomenon.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: There was some stress involved in the relativity priority matter mentioned above - User:Licorne is now on permanent ban. Some notes I made at the time, with links to RfD and RfA, are on .
My second-biggest discussion was a run-in with an user who differed with the consensus opinion on what constituted a "link" on Misplaced Pages:Orphaned articles - see . But I don't consider this a big matter - it was resolved within 24 hours. Otherwise, I don't think I've done much that has caused controversy.

--Alvestrand 04:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Optional question from Durova

4. What would you do as an administrator about ideological or profit motive attempts to manipulate Misplaced Pages? Bear in mind this statement from Brad Patrick as well as this news story, this conference summary, this press release, and these blogs. Durova 04:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
A: I'd consider each matter. We can't "let the terrorists win" by doing knee-jerk reverts or deletes just because someone with a name resembling the article's name has done an edit. In one recent case, Taft, Stettinius, and Hollister, I reverted additions that were nonencyclopedic, but I found later additions that were probably self-edits to be done in good taste and reasonable, so I left them alone. (Perhaps a mistake, since the account didn't ever reply to my note to them, and has made even more edits later.....) --Alvestrand 05:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


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Discussion

Support

  1. «Snowolf » supports this candidate for adminship, as he is confident that this user won't do anything stupid with the tools (added on 21:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC))
  2. Support I think I am in agreement with Snowolf on this one. Good luck! Jmlk17 04:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support. Satisfied with the answer to my question, see no reason to oppose. Durova 06:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support Good edit summary usage, a good candidate for the mop and bucket, your answer to question 1 is a little weak but your still a good candidate. Best of luck! The Sunshine Man 11:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support - work on dead-end pages indicates commitment to clearing backlogs. Addhoc 13:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Terence 14:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support I see no reason to oppose your nomination. Qualified for the job. Answers show a fair understanding of the way things run around here. —Anas 14:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support Consistent contributions since January 2006. Being prepared to help with copyvios is a plus too. (aeropagitica) 16:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support Wonderful candidate; very happy to see such an experienced hand taking up the mop. Xoloz 18:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Rettetast 19:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. --Shanes 19:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support I see no reason to deny; no indication of future problems. JodyB talk 02:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support Good contributor here and to the Internet in general. CWC 10:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Good contributor, and his acceptance statement shows he understands the point of adminship. Kafziel 12:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 18:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support - as per Mailer Diablo! -- FayssalF - 18:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support No reason to oppose this user. I know this has nothing to do with adminship, but "Alvestrand" is a good-sounding username. Acalamari 21:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support: Has plenty of experience and edit summary usage is also good. I also like acceptance statement. Should make a fine administrator.  Orfen  | Contribs 21:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support Trustworthy contributor. -- Jreferee 16:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support per the other supporters. Captain panda 21:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support--MONGO 09:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. PeaceNT 15:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support but user should improve his edit summary usage. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ 15:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support - Let's see. We know his real life identity (he's a past president of the IETF and belongs in Category:Notable Wikipedians). Make him an admin if he's willing? Hell, we should probably pay him a retainer fee as long as he's willing to edit here and not over at Larry's project. -- Rick Block (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support Joe I 05:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

oppose not enough user talk posts also i am sorry it seems he relly do not want to be admin but because someone nominted him for it he said yesOo7565 21:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them. Kafziel 22:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Stricken comment by user who's spammed all RfAs with awkward/irrelevant comments. Húsönd 23:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Comment - I believe it's bad for Misplaced Pages if the only administrators are people who want the job. And especially if most administrators are people who want the power. From what I've read, there's no risk of Misplaced Pages running out of adminship bits. So if the community's OK with it, I'm OK with being an administrator who isn't terribly active. I believe it's good for Misplaced Pages to allow such admins to exist, so I'm willing to be one. --Alvestrand 04:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

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Audacity

Final: (36/0/3); ended 04:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Audacity (talk · contribs) - Audacity is actively contributing since February 2006. Apart from his amazing editcount in the Portal namespace (694!), I'm pretty sure that this user won't do anything stupid with the tools. «Snowolf » 03:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
I accept. Answers to questions to follow. Λυδαcιτγ 04:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: Mostly things that come up during normal editing that I currently ask an admin to do, such as editing protected pages, blocking vandals, and deleting pages that fall under the CSD. I will also put AIV and ANI on my watchlist, and perhaps take an occasional stab at clearing out the administrative backlog.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: The article I've spent the most time on is Backmasking, along with the List of backmasked messages, and I'm happy with their improvement. I also maintain and slowly improve other articles in the field of hidden / subliminal messages. Outside of the mainspace I work on Portal:Music, and I help keep the welcoming committee pages in shape. And finally, perhaps my favorite page, though not yet finished, is the List of fastest cars by acceleration, to which I added sortable tables.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: More stressful for me than any article-related debates were the Userbox Wars. I had been editing Misplaced Pages seriously for about 2 months when I began to become involved in the wars, and I was angry, frustrated and disappointed with the events that took place, including the removal of content from my userpage. But I stuck with Misplaced Pages until the GUS was implemented and things calmed down. I suppose that's my approach: take a break, perhaps, but stick with it.
The same applies to article conflicts. For example, at Talk:Backmasking you can see me debating other users about sourcing concerns. I was told to get better sources, and, though I disagreed that it was necessary, I admitted that it would improve the article, and eventually took out some books from the library. Other conflicts that come to mind are at Talk:Supply and demand and User:Uriah923/OmniNerd. There have probably been others, but I've always been able to resolve them without anything more formal than a third opinion or MedCab request.
Optional question from Durova
4. What would you do as an administrator about ideological or profit motive attempts to manipulate Misplaced Pages? Bear in mind this statement from Brad Patrick as well as this news story, this conference summary, this press release, and these blogs. Durova 04:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
A: I've worked a little with WP:SPAM, and the ability to block and delete will help in fighting spam. Other than that my main role will continue to be the de-promotionalizing of articles.
Optional question from WJBscribe
5. Your use of edit summaries for minor edits seems quite low. Is there a reason for this? If you propose to use edit summaries more consistently in future, would you be willing to change your preferences to remind you when you leave a blank edit summary?
A: My thinking is that minor edits don't require an edit summary because they are assumed to be small and non-controversial changes (hence the option to hide them in one's watchlist). If others find edit summaries useful for minor edits, I'd be happy to use them.
Totally optional question from AldeBaer
6. Your edit count shows 2358 user space edits, which approaches a quarter of your total edit count. Could you elaborate a bit on how comes?
A: First, I use Related changes rather than the software watchlist, as I prefer the grouping of edits by page. Thus I have 484 edits to my watchlist. Second, I often update the To Do section of my userpage, which probably accounts for another 400 edits. A third factor is edits to my sandboxes and temporary pages, which total to over 500. Other than that, it's just fiddling with my userpage and userboxes.

General comments


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Discussion

Support

  1. «Snowolf » supports this candidate for adminship, as he is confident that this user won't do anything stupid with the tools (added on 04:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC))
  2. Support, partially for having the sweetest username ever, and partially for having a strong number of edits across a number of namespaces. --Phoenix 04:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support — I've had nothing but good experiences with Audacity, namely his highly useful contributions during our collaboration at WP:WELCOME. The edit summaries thing is a bit of a worry, but to be honest something that can be solved by checking a box at Special:Preferences isn't a reason for denying somebody that I have confidence in the mop ~ Anthony 11:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support - experience and edit counts is perfect and so is his contributions and would qualify as a perfect candidate..Good luck..----Cometstyles 12:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support. I couldn't care less about edit summary usage, quite frankly, and no one's brought up any other problems. Walton 15:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support - I worked with Dan on the Welcoming Committee template overhaul. I was impressed with how he handled himself, and with his css/wikicode ability. Sysop tools will be a no-brainer for him. He'll make a fine admin. The Transhumanist 19:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support changed from neutrality, as I like the answers to the questions, have heard nothing but good things about user, and am glad to support. Jmlk17 22:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Good experiences with this user Jaranda 23:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Switch to support -- Y not? 00:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Musical support. He'll make a good admin. Will 01:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support I would be pleased to have him as an admin. Seems to have worked hard in areas of interest to him and made a good contribution in doing so. JodyB talk 02:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support --Spike Wilbury 02:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Audacious support!--Tdxiang (Talk) 03:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support switched from "neutral". Looks fit for the role. —Anas 12:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Strong support as per my struck neutral comments. Good luck 17:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 18:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support known and trustable. --Quiddity 18:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support Yes, I support "Iamthejabberwock", or more currently "Audacity". I see only good things from this user. Prodego 20:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support: Has plenty of experience however edit summary usage for minor edits are low and while this won't make me oppose I would just like it to be fixed in the future.  Orfen  | Contribs 21:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    After reading my answer to question 5, would you still like to me use edit summaries for minor edits? Λυδαcιτγ 00:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support in agreement with the above. Acalamari 22:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support I think so. Majorly (talk | meet) 00:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support. Why the heck not? —AldeBaer 05:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. I was a bit surprised to see this RfA, I kinda thought he already was one. Support, can be trusted. – Riana 09:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support Cricket02 15:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support Seems to be a good person to trust with the tools. Captain panda 21:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. PeaceNT 05:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Longevity is impressive and demonstrates utmost dedication to what Misplaced Pages is aiming towards, and my albeit-limited interactions with him have been positive. Seen some very insightful stuff in project-space, also. Expresses himself well. Demonstrated knowledge and ability to apply discretion when required, and is articulate enough to express justifications (which is oh-so-important as an administrator) when required. Daniel 05:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support Edit summaries are descriptive, edits seems productive. Would make a good addition to the sysop corps. —Ocatecir 05:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support--MONGO 09:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support Audacity is a great user and has even caught me out forgetting to close ref tags ;) James086 13:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support I'll accept the answer to my question, although to be candid I would have preferred something that addressed it in more depth. Seems to be strong in other areas so I'll back this bid for mopification. Durova 20:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ 15:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Cleared for Adminship Of course. // Pilotguy hold short 15:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support, no one's found a reason to oppose.--Wizardman 00:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support Joe I 05:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Taragon $upport Dfrg.msc 09:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Neutral I might support, except for one thing: your edit summaries are quite lacking in the minor edit area. Also, waiting on answers to questions. Jmlk17 09:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Strong neutral Everytime I have had dealings with this editor has always been positive and looking back I can see no problems. Waiting on answers, then you can count on a strong support. 06:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  1. Neutral Until questions have been answered, I agree you could get your edit summary usage up a little but I'll assume good faith.If I forget to change to support when you answer questions please leave a message on my talk page. .The Sunshine Man 11:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Neutral pending questions being answered ... normally, a malformed RFA gets an auto-oppose from me, but Snowolf, not Audacity, incorrectly listed this RFA prior to the questions being answered. --BigDT 13:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Neutral pending answers to the questions. You're going to answer them, aren't you? —Anas 14:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Neutral - don't particularly like the answers to 5 and 6, but experience with the editor can cancels this out. Thus, I am neutral. G1ggy 02:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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Carioca

Final: (31/4/1); ended 03:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Carioca (talk · contribs) - Carioca is with us since as early as November 2004, contributing mainly to football-related articles. Surely we can trust him with mop and bucket ;-) «Snowolf » 02:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept. Thanks, Snowolf. --Carioca 03:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

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1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: I will try to reduce the speedy deletion backlog, as there are more than a hundred pages currently nominated for speedy deletion, and every day more pages are nominated, close AFD discussions, because several old discussions where the consensus was already reached are still open, and I will page protect pages when it is needed, as this can happen in pages with a higher visibility (for example when there is an important event happening or when a famous person dies, or when there is a content dispute in the page). Also, in several situations it is necessary to semi-protect the page to prevent several acts of vandalism made by different anonymous users in the same article. I will also continue to revert vandalism (as vandalism is obviously harmful to Misplaced Pages), as several articles, including the articles I usually edit, are constantly vandalized and the vandalism needs to be quickly reverted. After I revert a vandalism, I warn the user and I also check the user's edits, so, if he vandalized other articles, I revert the other vandalisms too. --Carioca 03:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: I created and expanded several Brazilian football (soccer) articles (mostly football clubs but also players, coaches and competitions), as well as some South American and African football articles, some basketball articles, and I created some Rio de Janeiro neighborhood articles. I consider the Bangu (neighborhood) article as one of the best contributions I did made to Misplaced Pages, because the article is well-referenced and it contains information about the neighborhood's history as well as information about its maximum security prison, which is a well-known prison in Brazil. I also contribute by adding images to Misplaced Pages when it is needed. The images I add are usually made by myself and are uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, so, the images can also be used in the other languages versions of Misplaced Pages. --Carioca 03:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Yes. I had a conflict in the Campeonato Brasileiro Série A article. In that conflict, as I always do, I used reliable sources (in that situation was the Brazilian Football Confederation's official website, as this organization is the competition's organizer) to make the article reliable and neutral. I always deal with conflicts by discussing and trying to reach a consensus, and I always try to be neutral, and I always check if there are reliable sources for all sides of the conflict, because I understand that anyone can make a mistake. I also always remain civil and I understand that it is important to assume good faith, as some users do wrong edits only because they are unexperienced with Misplaced Pages's policies and after talking to them they can became productive Misplaced Pages members. --Carioca 03:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Optional question from Durova

4. What would you do as an administrator about ideological or profit motive attempts to manipulate Misplaced Pages? Bear in mind this statement from Brad Patrick as well as this news story, this conference summary, this press release, and these blogs. Durova 04:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Optional question from Abu badali

5. - Soccer/policy question: Do you believe it's important to have pictures in bio articles for soccer players? If so, what do you believe to be the best ways to acquire this pictures? --Abu badali 18:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
A: I don't believe that an article becomes better only because there is a picture in it. A picture in football players articles is usually only a cosmetic change, it is not essential. However, the best way to acquire pictures is by uploading free images (for example GFDL images, or public domain images). --Carioca 19:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Carioca before commenting.

Discussion

Support

  1. «Snowolf » supports this candidate for adminship, as he is confident that this user won't do anything stupid with the tools (added on 02:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC))
  2. Support Seems to be a good user for adminship. Captain panda 03:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support - An excellent editor. Great work regarding editing, conflict solving and vandalism reversion. —Lesfer 03:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support per nom. --Phoenix 04:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support I must say I am pleased with the nomination; I hope the user can expand into sysop-hood, and prosper. Jmlk17 04:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Strong Support per nice answer to Q1. Admins who will help with the CSD backlog are exactly what we need right now. Walton 10:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. I support. Good answers, no reason not to trust. Conscious 11:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support - good answer to Q1 and sufficient overal experience. Addhoc 13:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support - Good candidate. Aquarius &#149; talk 17:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Rettetast 19:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support Good answers. Seems trustworthy. - TwoOars 21:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support - Football area (soccer if you like) needs more admins. Good luck. -- FayssalF - 18:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support: Has plenty of experience and an excellent edit summary usage. Should make a fine administrator.  Orfen  | Contribs 21:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support Let's stack up the useful people. Manderiko 22:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support - I see no reason not to. Good answers and seems trustworthy and reliable. --pIrish 04:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support Good answers and seems to be a good candidate, has plenty of time and experience. GDonato (talk) 12:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. PeaceNT 17:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support Nothing to suggest will not be a good admin. Davewild 20:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support good 'pedia builder. cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 11:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support - besides being a great editor in his area of interest, seems engaged in Misplaced Pages's core mission. We need more admins like him. --Abu badali 20:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support. There's no valid reason not to. WODUP 21:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support Zsinj 03:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Why the hell not? Ral315 » 05:33, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support The concerns of Xoloz and Husond are surely not unfounded, but I think Carioca's participation here provides a history sufficient for one to be reasonably confident that he is possessed of a deliberative demeanor and sound judgment, such that one can be confident that he will act cautiously and avoid partaking qua admin whereof he does not know; because I cannot imagine that Carioca should abuse or misuse (even avolitionally) the tools, then, I feel comfortable concluding that the net effect on the project of Carioca's being sysopped should be positive. Joe 23:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Terence 05:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ 14:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support, edit history looks good, no concerns of substance raised thus far. Christopher Parham (talk) 19:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support, if 200 monthly edits is "recent inactivity" then I'm a bit concerned about editcountitis.--Wizardman 00:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Apoio este usuário. O segundo administrador brasileiro na Wikipédia no inglês, não é? Grandmasterka 04:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support Joe I 05:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose, sorry. Good editor, but there's simply no need for the tools and no evidence that this user is experienced enough to use them adequately. Very little participation in admin-oriented tasks in the past few months.--Húsönd 12:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Oppose per Husond. More of a record is needed (especially in project-space) to judge properly the candidate's fitness for adminship. Xoloz 18:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Recent inactivity is worrying, and I have concerns per Xoloz about this users' capability in dealing with issues arising in project-space which he will encounter when he gets the tools. Sorry, but at this stage, I don't feel you're ready. Daniel 05:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Oppose Per Husond. Weak in Misplaced Pages space, will he be ready when the admin challenges approach? I'm not sure. G1ggy! 02:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

#Neutral - Excellent contributor. However, I think the nominee's answers to the questions are too short, and might not be sufficient enough to explain his suitability. Will change to Support if the answers could be expanded just a little bit more. Aquarius &#149; talk 05:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I expanded my answers. Regards, --Carioca 06:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Changed to support. Aquarius &#149; talk 17:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  1. Not awfully active lately -- Y not? 18:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
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PaxEquilibrium

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PaxEquilibrium (talk · contribs) - I believe that this guy should've been an admin a year ago. When I first interacted with him, on IRC, he knew of policy enough that I thought he was an admin - especially the three revert rule. Looking at his past few hundred contributions, he's also been level-headed. In short, he possesses all the necessary attributes to be an admin, his past RfA shows this. He shouldn't be denied a tool he deserves because he's Serbian or because of a terrible prank. Will 16:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept.--PaxEquilibrium 23:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: 3RR violations, page protection and deletion of improper images and articles (that fulfill the speedy delete criteria). I think (AFAIK, am convinced) that Misplaced Pages desperately needs more administrators for dealing the first two (which is probably the main reason why I accept this nomination
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: Stefan Nemanja, Duklja and several other history-related articles. That is because I'm deeply interested in History - and biographies at the same time (like musician Stevan Hristić). I believe in the old saying Historia magistra vitae est (especially due to the fact that history keeps repeating itself). Not to be Balkan-centric, I've also started Kingdom of Portugal (I was shocked that there is none!) and am researching on the subject currently, but for some time by now most of my edits are minor edits to various (all-kinds-related) topics, because I have the tendency to stroll the Recent Changes and because I have a gigantic watchlist. I have also an interest in politics to an extent (note: I am disgusted by it at the same time because of this, in which I was a victim of many devious minds, but that's probably the reason why I'm interested in it) so I edit National Assembly of Serbia and to an extent Assembly of Montenegro. I'm mostly interested in creating a balance in the torn world, between Albanian, Bosniac, Croatian, Serbian and other nationalists. I am also (note: losing modesty right now) kind-of proud of my eternal enforcement and following of practically each and ever single of Misplaced Pages's rules like a soldier (although I'm not sure if that's something I should be really proud of ;0).
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Most conflicts over editing I solve through conversation at the corresponding talk page; when being 3rd party (e.g. Montenegrin Orthodox Church and Croatia) I both tend to research the problem deeply and stay neutral (which is a very hard thing to do). Yes, User:Afrika paprika has disturbed me very, very much. But for the entire agonizing one year of his trolling (and constant and repeated returning as User:Zrinski, User:Tar-Elenion, User:Pygmalion, User:Praskaton, User:Krpelj, User:Joker 13, User:Factanista,...), I've remained calm and every single second remained level-headed (even in the very moments when he cursed my mother *you-know-how*, threatened to kill me and kept vandalizing my Userpage for 19 times adding ethnic-driven ultra-nationalist provoking). But all users with whom I had conflicts are now banned (another is User:Alkalada), as the only thing for which I'm guilty is feeding the trolls, instead of doing like Doc said "If a user acts like a troll, treat him like a troll should be treated". I plan to be more rigid with cases of obvious trolling in the future (but not ever giving up a bit of smile and calmness!).

Optional question from Durova

4. What would you do as an administrator about ideological or profit motive attempts to manipulate Misplaced Pages? Bear in mind this statement from Brad Patrick as well as this news story, this conference summary, this press release, and these blogs. Durova 23:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
A.: I think that what is happening to Misplaced Pages is horrible. That's one of the reasons why I accepted this nomination, we must simply not allow Misplaced Pages's credibility sink. I'm seeing through a similar problem, where (obviously) a tourist company or some high-ranking employee probably, is bombarding (literally) Dalmatia-related with commercials. Yes, I commit myself to dedication in solving this (helping solve to be honest), but I cannot agree with a little thing User:BradPatrick said: Some of you might think regular policy and VfD is the way to go. I am here to tell you it is not enough. We are losing the battle for encyclopedic content in favor of people intent on hijacking Misplaced Pages for their own memes. This scourge is a serious waste of time and energy. We must put a stop to this now. I probably misunderstood it (that's possible, in that context), but I would never cross the limit of Misplaced Pages's policy. If there is a problem with the policy - change it - but obey it. --PaxEquilibrium 06:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Question from Samir

5. Please provide detailed comment on the circumstances behind your departure at the time of your previous RfA. Many of us remain perplexed about what happened.
A....and I am included in that many. However, there was no departure - due to my compromised account - I continued editing with another account. For a full grasp of my edge (lol, not to use point ;) of view can be seen at the User:HRE userpage and to the below on the answer to User:Nishkid64's question. --PaxEquilibrium 06:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Question from Nishkid64

6. From your block log as HolyRomanEmperor (talk · contribs), I see that there was a suspicion that your account had been compromised after it appeared you had "died". Could you please explain the situation, and if your account was compromised, can you reassure us that you now have a stronger password?
A. Yes, sadly, it was. For a detailed explanation (as much as I'm capable of offering one, it remains puzzled to me - I've drawn the question to "dig in" the matter quite a few times, but it appears that some administrators have deleted the pages created in the scandal), please refer to my temporary userpage. One possibility (mentioned by a 3rd part Editor) is that User:Ferick has hacked my account. And yes, my password is more than 15 characters long (not gonna tell you precisely how long, lol ;) and now gets changed from time to time (although to be honest, not as frequently as 30 days). --PaxEquilibrium 05:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I withdraw this statement per User:Philippe to the below. My most sincere apologies for the misunderstanding. --PaxEquilibrium 22:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Question from Ante Perkovic

7. Regarding your alledgeg hijacking: Why You spent your days first just staying and watching as the events develop, powerless to affect it, before returning instead of just using an email, phone, IRC, or some other way of communicating (maybe even to log from internet caffe or from home) to clarify your hijacking. If you want me and other people to believe you, I think you should clarify how someone in modern world can be cut off from the rest of the world just because his wiki account was blocked. Please, explain. --Ante Perkovic 08:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Optional question from ^demon

You say above that:

If there is a problem with the policy - change it - but obey it.

How do you feel this plays into IAR? When would be a good example to invoke IAR and essentially do the opposite of what you said above? ^demon 08:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


General comments

  • See PaxEquilibrium's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
  • Links for PaxEquilibrium: PaxEquilibrium (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
  • I will become Serbian in one week, when my documents are finally complete. ;) --PaxEquilibrium 23:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: There's a lot on here about Pax's "death" under his former username. His account was hijacked by one of his detractors. See this section in the RfA talk archives for the full unfolding of events, as well as his explanation at User:HRE. Grandmasterka 01:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I do not understand the explanation of User:Thewanderer's vote. I reverted the obviously incorrect version of the flag of Independent State of Montenegro. When the Axis forces invaded the Kingdom of Yugoslavia in 1941, they created a puppet-state around modern-day Montenegro and banned the (red-blue-white) tricolors by law. I also fail to see a hard downside at here (although I really should have put something, but it doesn't matter, since User:CrnaGora came and did himself. Also, I do not see that I do this often at all - and that this is just a single individualized mistake. As for "Greatest modern politician", it was cited from a source. --PaxEquilibrium 05:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Low usage of edit summaries : Lol, the reason is - no option of making edit summaries in such edits. ;) Trust me man, if Misplaced Pages had an option for that, I'd most certainly use edit summaries in there (those are all comments on various talk pages). --PaxEquilibrium 06:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • If anyone at all has a single strong reason why I should not be an administrator, he or she should notify me in persona. In that case I will drop this RfA (I'm notifying this because of the controversial first two oppose votes). --PaxEquilibrium 07:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Previous RfAs: RFA 1, RFA 2, RFA 3, RFA 3a, RFA 4. Sarah 14:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Vote Canvassing: Inspection of Zmaj's contributions show that he has not made a single edit since 28 September 2006 and then he returned, just to vote on my RfA. Then this is how his vote goes: So today a Wiki-friend calls me and tells me: "our old acquaintance is making an RfA again; since you were so heavily involved before, at least give your opinion now". So here it is, and you could get it from any psychiatrist: a person who fakes his own death cannot be trusted to guide others only a year after the event. --Zmaj 15:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC) Ceha's contributions also show no edit activity but my RfA solely, although he didn't directly self-confirm that he was invited to vote against me. Both Ceha and Zmaj come from the same part of Europe. --PaxEquilibrium 19:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I was notified of this reason on my talk (presumably because I'm the nominator). Pax is right - Ceha has not edited in one month, and Zmaj in over nine months. Zmaj's oppose reason (calling Pax crazy) is also a personal attack, in my opinion. Will 20:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Username change: It appears that my changed Username (changed very, very long time ago) gives the image that I'm hiding anything - I have nothing to hide and explanation for my namechange can be seen on User:CrnaGora's talk page and numerous other places. The "HolyRomanEmperor" nick could be understood two-prong - in the good way - that I really "deserve" (?) such nick - in a bad way - giving the image of selfish and quite repulsive to myself egoism - thus, the explanation was that "..I am neither that good - nor that bad - to have that username". I hope this clarifies the issue. --PaxEquilibrium 21:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Could somebody explain why there is also this request to change to the name Emperor of Europe, an account that continued its activity for a few weeks, but professes to be someone other than PaxEquilibrium? --Michael Snow 21:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Almost immediately after I changed my name to PaxEquilibrium, someone from Montenegro registered under my old nickname. After being warned by User:Dijxtra, he decided to change his/her username. --PaxEquilibrium 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
        • Pax can't be blamed for the harassment POV pushers have subjected him to. I mean, one guy below thinks he can psychoanalyse people on an RfA! That's just the tip of the iceberg, you know?--Hadžija 22:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
        • So it's possible for anyone to create a new account under the old username once an account has been renamed? --Michael Snow 22:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
          • Pretty much. --CrnaGora 22:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
            • No, that's not right. The old username cannot be registered by someone else. A very similar username can be registered at any time, which is what happened in this case, if I recall correctly.--Hadžija 23:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
              • I am sorry Hadžija, but you are wrong. Another person registered the username after it was renamed and it was HolyRomanEmperor, the exact username Pax had used before it was renamed. However, those who register on people's former usernames that have been renamed can get blocked indefinetely for using that username, to prevent confusion, just as what had happened to the "new" HolyRomanEmperor, or in other words, the person now known as Emperor of Europe. Why else did you think he wanted to change his username? --CrnaGora 23:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Opposing users: Just to represent the candidate's arguments more clearly:
  1. User:Ceha - inactive for 23 days
  2. User:Zmaj - inactive for almost 8 months
  3. User:Ante Perkovic - inactive for 2 weeks.
  4. User:Vodomar - inactive for almost a month
    Also inactive for a week on hr wiki. Just some back, both here and there. Do I loose all my rights because of this wiki break? --Ante Perkovic 13:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Of course not, but the situation of returning just to vote is highly suspicious - especially due to the already present case of votestacking at this RfA. --PaxEquilibrium 19:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Another name to add to this list - User:Vodomar, also from the Croatian Misplaced Pages. His last edit before today, when he ever so fortuitously discovered this RfA, was on an AfD on April 21, and before that on April 2. Not to mention that even on April 2 he only made 2 edits and before that he last edited on March 12. So it seems pretty clear from the circumstancial evidence that he has been invited to cast an opposing vote here.--Hadžija 13:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, note that all of those users come from the same country, and after being inactive for a considerable time, they all found this RfA only hours after it had been submitted. I just thought people might find this interesting. Cheers. Sideshow Bob 22:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/PaxEquilibrium before commenting.

Discussion

Support

  1. Strong support. I know PaxEquilibrium quite well, since we cooperated on a number of articles, mostly history and politics-related. In our little Serbian v. Montenegrin edit battles, he was always the cool headed guy, or the referee if you will. And I think that is a sort of person that an ideal admin should be - a cool headed, rational guy with good faith edits and NPOV, which I believe Pax definitely is. Hence, he has my support in this request, although I think he should have submitted it a long time ago. Also, if he helped me become a normal contributor, rather than sort-of-vandal that I was in my first edits, I'm sure he can do whatever the adminship responsibilities require him to. :) Sideshow Bob 23:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support. I concur with the nom on every aspect. We should help good people who are willing to work in mud-filled areas. Grandmasterka 23:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. He is an excellent editor with a great passion and understanding of history. He is very cool-headed and knows his stuff. He is one of the best for the job of administrator and has my support, even though he should've become administrator ages ago. --CrnaGora 23:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. I've seen him about doing good stuff. Should be fine. Majorly (talk | meet) 00:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support All I've seen from this user was good work. Húsönd 00:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support, looks good. --Phoenix 00:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support I can support this user because he has shown calmness under pressure. He works in a difficult area of history and is to be commended for his efforts. JodyB talk 00:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support Good admin candidate. Captain panda 03:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support Can't see any reason to oppose on current activity. I'm willing to Assume Good Faith about the past Tswsl1989 07:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support Thought he was anyhow, see no reason to go against that. -Bbik 08:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support as nominator. Will 10:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support per a comment that Badlydrawnjeff made - we are reaching the stage where it would be easier for experienced editors who have made mistakes or been controversial to create a sock account specifically to gain adminship. This isn't a healthy trend. Addhoc 13:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support The most neutral wikipedian from ex-yu that i have seen. Paulcicero 14:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support Satisfactory answer to my question. A few concerns remain, but with respect for the neutral and oppose positions these seem to be old history. Durova 18:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Strong Support. PaxEquilibrium is one of the greatest wikipedians from former yugoslavia. He remains cool and has a calm level-headed atitude in conflict subjeckts, not a nationalist and fighting for tru causes, and that is the bridge between serb, croat and bosnian nationalists that plaigue wikimedia. --Edin Sijercic 18:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Strong support. Very productive, calm and neutral user. I can't think of any other ex-Yugoslav user who would get votes from people with such a wide range of ethnicities and political views. In fact, I would say he sometimes keeps engaging with users when it is clear they are not editing in good faith. This has lead to a few POV warriors cooling off and becoming normal users - just one of the reasons why I believe he deserves adminship, and would be capable of using it responsibly. That's not even including his massive contribution to Misplaced Pages (14,000 or so edits), on subjects that would have been quite poorly covered without him.--Hadžija 20:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Default support, can't make out sufficient reason not to. —AldeBaer 23:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Weak support I trust enough to support. I don't distrust enough not to. SWATJester 05:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Switched to support per Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/PaxEquilibrium#Problem. Good point. – Riana 07:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC) Too many concerns. – Riana 20:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Strong Support. PaxEquilibrium. We have had our crossed swords moments but he is an excellent choice. He will be surprised to see me of all editors support him but I accept he is an excellent and comitted editor. We share different views, and clashed many times on Kosovo so perhaps my support from the other 'camp' may carry some weight for him. Buffadren 12:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support. The numerous bad-faith opposes below merit zero-sum support, IMHO. Anyway, I don't see any real problems with this candidate. Walton 18:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Strong support, I've only seen good things from this user. —Nightstallion (?) 20:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support, very good user. Made very good significant edits to Balkan-related articles. Though, I am concerned about this whole "death" hoax and wish for a solution to the remnants of this hoax, which is still seen among the voters. --Montenegro 20:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Strong support. A guy who keeps calm under difficult circumstances. Also, the amount of canvasing going on here actually convinces me that having this guy (liked by members of all the different YU strata) as an administrator would be very useful to YU discussions on Misplaced Pages. --Pan Gerwazy 20:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support, Pax is an excellent Wikipedian who always stays level-headed and calm in just about every tough situation he's been put in. No mater who the editor he is dealing with he tries to discuss and work out issues with them where many would have long lost their patience with them. I think giving him the tools will be a tremendous help in improving Misplaced Pages, especially on the ex-YU related articles which seem to have plenty of edit conflicts, and certainly not enough discussion. Currently, it seems most admins who get involved in such ex-YU disputes quickly loose patience due to the venomous personal attacks and accusations that come from them and feel the effort is not worth it. I think Pax has the patience (and character) to deal with these tough situations and will greatly improve Misplaced Pages in a area that I think needs a lot of help. // laughing man 21:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. I've had positive experiences with PaxEquilibrium; certainly better than with most editors active in SE European articles. Most serious opposers refer to the HRE incident, which is indeed strange and worrying but also quite some time ago. Now, if adminship were really important, I wouldn't be sure, but as it is, I'm happy to support the request. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 22:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support - I can understand concerns over the HRE hack incident, but nothing before that or since has indicated to me that the person is someone I wouldn't trust. The incident was bizarre, but not malign. In my opinion, clearly has the experience, is someone I trust, and shouldn't be controversial. This may not be the community consensus at this time, but IMHO that's unfortunate. I support (and if this fails, will do so again when PE is renominated in the future). Georgewilliamherbert 23:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support MichaelLinnear 06:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support - HRE's account was compromised. That may well have been partly his fault, but it does not sustain a finding of intentional wrongdoing on his part. HRE is the victim of Serbia-related editwarring, of which there is much on this website. I won't hold it against him. - Richard Cavell 10:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support. We really need cool, level-headed admins who know a thing or two about the Eastern European region. I had been concerned about the hijackings of his previous accounts, which is why I hadn't voted earlier. But as he claims to have a strong password nowadays, and change it regularly on top of that, I have to say that he appears to have taken adequate precautions that that won't happen again. Errabee 19:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. I do not think that this user will abuse the tools, so why the hell not? Ral315 » 05:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support GWH and Errabee have it, to my mind, quite right. There are surely a few (rather trivial) concerns that remain unallayed, but there is also much to commend the candidate, and, on the whole, I think one can conclude with reasonable certainty that the net effect on the project of PE's being sysopped should be positive, not least because his answers to the questions reveal that he intends to act with deliberative judgment and circumspection and, most crucially, understands that adminship is ministerial. Joe 18:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support the past is the past, but please, consider establishing a committed identity and don't give the key out to anyone --rogerd 02:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Support Joe I 05:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Oppose. I hate to oppose because I believe you have truly changed in great ways since your days as User:HolyRomanEmperor. However, I am troubled by your extremely high number of edits without any edit summary (see ). Because you are so familiar with Misplaced Pages, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you can explain why you don't use edit summaries more often. I'd also like to hear your responses to Samir and Nishkid64's questions, especially with regards to how you were reported as dead (see Wikipedia_talk:Deceased_Wikipedians#User:HolyRomanEmperor) and how your account could have been hijacked (obviously a concern around here with the recent hacking of several admin accounts). Best, --Alabamaboy 00:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflicts) It appears that Pax uses edit summaries extensively on articles, but not in other namespaces; this is apparently fairly common among experienced users, there is a recent discussion on RfA talk about this. But of course I'll let him explain himself. Grandmasterka 00:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I've changed my oppose to neutral. The low use of edit summaries is irritating b/c when someone looks through a user's edit history the lack of summaries makes determining information more difficult, even if edit summaries are used for all article edits. However, I won't oppose merely b/c of this issue. That said, the lack of edit summaries keeps me from supporting.--Alabamaboy 13:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  1. Oppose. Erratic edit behaviour. At Independent State of Montenegro (a fascist puppet state from WWII) he has at least twice inserted the flag of modern Montenegro, despite the fact that it is obviously incorrect (and he should be aware of this given his knowledge of Montenegro). Also, see Montenegrin parliamentary election, 1913 for at least one occassion where he has created a two-sentence, totally unwikified article. Also, apt to sensationalism. See Misplaced Pages:In_the_news_section_on_the_Main_Page/Candidates#April_29 where he refers to former leftwing Croatian president Ivica Račan as the "greatest modern Croatian politician" in an attempt to get more coverage on him in the news section. --Thewanderer 02:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Oppose No explanation provided for how his password was compromised. I will (or a bureaucrat can) move this oppose to neutral after an affirmation that PaxE currently has a strong password (as determined by this tool or similar, reliable tools, and will change his password every 30 days to a new, unrelated, also strong, password. Hipocrite - «Talk» 03:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Oppose -- Samir 06:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Any particular reason?--Hadžija 21:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Yes. I'm not convinced by his explanation of the circumstances of the death hoax -- Samir 21:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Oppose Previous POV history.... -- Ceha 09:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Care to substantiate this claim? Also, your last edit before this RfA was almost a month ago...--Hadžija 21:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Oppose. I'm just not comfortable with the whole HRE death hoax issue and the general controversy surrounding these accounts. And the hoax explanation doesn't smell right to me. Also, this is the candidate's sixth RfA and I'm rather disappointed that this was not mentioned by either the candidate or his nominator. I don't think six nominations is a reason to oppose but I like to see transparency in admins and admin candidates and withholding this information gives me pause. Sarah 14:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    The death hoax, I'm understanding with. He should've really been promoted at the third RfA - the third was restarted because of all the ethnic-related votes, and consequently failed because of the controversy. I personally think that he didn't fake his death - there are users out to get him. Will 18:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Oppose. (Disclaimer: Although I used to be quite active, I haven't contributed to the English Misplaced Pages for nine months now.) I remember when HolyRomanEmperor died. I read everything I could about it on the English, Croatian and Serbian Wikipedias. Now, it was a year ago and I don't recall the details, but I sure know one thing: the evidence made me conclude that he faked his death himself. So today a Wiki-friend calls me and tells me: "our old acquaintance is making an RfA again; since you were so heavily involved before, at least give your opinion now". So here it is, and you could get it from any psychiatrist: a person who fakes his own death cannot be trusted to guide others only a year after the event. --Zmaj 15:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    So you oppose him because yu were invited to vote and because of yur personal hatred right? --Edin Sijercic 18:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    I'm not sure of WP's guidelines on this, but I personally don't think this user's vote should be counted. The last edit he made before this RfA was on September 28 2006 --Hadžija 21:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Oppose I cannot decide whether I believe HRE or not. (AGF is good advice, but it doesn't apply in cases of contrary evidence, and there is evidence here -- his story of a hacked account seems a stretch to me.) I might be able to support in July -- a year after the hacking and "death". I was horrified by that stunt -- it may be the single most tasteless thing I've ever seen on WP -- and would need to see a long, spotless record before I could support. Xoloz 18:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Oppose. I don't like the fact that he changed his wikiname (smells like avoiding scrutiny from other editors), he had 5 previous RFA which failed, I believe people had good reason not to vote him then.--MariusM 20:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    He failed three, not five, and of the three, one of those was a restart of a heavily ethnic-fueled RfA (check 3a - most of the votes relate directly to the controversy). Of the other two, one was restarted, the other ended due to a prank of the users death. Will 21:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Changing username is prefectly legitimate and anyone can request a change at Misplaced Pages:Changing username, and Pax has never hidden that he was HRE, so I hardly think that's a good reason to oppose. As for the previous three RfAs, are you really saying that in itself disqualifies him from becoming an admin? A lot of the people who opposed back then were ethncially motivated POV warriors, there was a lot of vote stacking against him, and some have been banned. It would be good is you had some proper reasons to oppose this great user's adminship.--Hadžija 21:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    If ethnicity matters so much (it doesn't to me), then look at the users who have voted before on my RfAs (and some right now (Muslims, Catholics, Orthodoxes, Bosniacs, Montenegrins, Serbs, Croats - from User:Sideshow Bob to User:Edin Sijercic). How do you explain that their votes seem extremely nice and flattering (to my opinion far too much), and how the opposers votes base solely on nationalist-motivated personal attacks and calling upon my insanity? --PaxEquilibrium 11:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    I numbered 5 previous RFA (numbered 1, 2, 3, 3a, 4) and I read some comments there. If ethnically motivated users opposed Pax, it may be because Pax himself is an ethnically motivated user.--MariusM 11:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Or, it may be because Pax edits hotly contested articles - a lot of the "nationalist" name calling on Misplaced Pages is towards Balkans. As Protego said in 3a, "No matter how neutral the guy tries to be, the fact that his editing practice is so concentrated in one hotly-disputed corner of Misplaced Pages will end up in accusations of bias." Will 11:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    If treated with respect Pax responded with respect, he was never twisted and showed a genuine desire in working with those like me that have different beliefs to him.Buffadren 13:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Strong oppose. I still remember the fuss he created with his "playing dead" game. I watched the story unfolds in real time and I strongly believe that he stage it all. Even before hid account was "hijacked", he looked like someone desperately wanting to became an admin at any cost. His "death" and his extremely slow response to our questions (after he decided to announce that he is alive) made me believe that he stage it all.
    I really don't think wikipedia should risk with making this person an administrator. He just doesn't fit the psihological profile of a person that I would give an adminship. Considering how hard it is to take away someone's adminship, I believe that we have little to win (note that he can do 99.5% of his intented work here even without admin rights) and much to lose.
    Also, I really don't understand why he pushes this issue so hard? If this causes so much controversy, why not just give up and do the same work without those few extra buttons? If I were him, I would (for the sake of wikipedia) gave up long time ago. --Ante Perkovic 21:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    I didn't push anything. I was nominated by 3rd party administrators and myself didn't actually bring the subject of adminship. After my last RfA failed, a year had passed without me mentioning adminship and frequent mentions of other users that I should be an admin (like User:Xompanthy), and now I accepted a nomination. What extreme pushing do you refer to? Also, if you read the comments on this article, you would've noticed that I said that I will pull this RfA the moment anyone presents a good reason why I should not be an admin. --PaxEquilibrium 21:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    So, where did you gain your qualifications in psychology? Sorry to be facetious, but this oppose vote just reads like an extended personal attack to me. There's no reason to think Pax's account wasn't hijacked. Of course he may turn out to be a bad admin, but everything idicates to the contrary, that he will be great admin. If your unfounded fears were to be realised, he would stripped of his adminship, and that would be that. Also, your last edit was two weeks ago, yet you found this RfA very quickly, just like User:Ceha and User:Zmaj (also Croatians). Please forgive me if I am wrong in suspecting that you were called here to stack up ethnically motivated oppose votes, but that's what it smells like.--Hadžija 21:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. The fake death and alleged hijacking is difficult to sort through, and remains a cloud over the situation. I am puzzled that PaxEquilibrium chooses to raise, in response to this issue, the notion that Ferick might have hacked into the HolyRomanEmperor account. Naming a specific party is a serious charge to make, whatever one may think of Ferick otherwise, and furthermore this claim seems to me inconsistent with the more-plausible theory offered on User:HRE. --Michael Snow 21:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    That accusation has not been made by me. That's a possibility said by another user that I noted, because the question insisted on details (and I gave as short as possible and as detailed as possible). --PaxEquilibrium 22:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Hogwash. By putting it in your question answers like that, you bring it into play. If you don't want that to be taken into account, I believe it's best to withdraw that statement. If you weren't endoring it, you didn't need to include it. I certainly wouldn't include things in answers to questions if I were up for admin that weren't things I wanted to be judged on. Philippe 22:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Since you didn't provide any evidence of who made the charge or where, the only source for it right now is you. The point is that it's very poor form to raise such things, even if you're just "repeating" what others have said, if you're not prepared to back them up. Do you think it's a real possibility? If so, why? If not, why did you bring it up in the first place? --Michael Snow 22:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    A user that went by the name "Sad News" claimed that his and Pax's cousin, Igor, passed away. We all figured that Sad News must've been the one who hijacked Pax's former account through his edits, and yes, Pax's account was hijacked. Sad News was then blocked indefinetely. Now, according to Pax, there was a hoax on Uncyclopedia that was apparently the death of HRE, in other words "HolyRomanEmperor" (Pax), and it spread until it came here. Around the time it came here, the hoax was deleted, however, Sad News continued on about how Igor (presumably Pax) had passed away. It is quite impossible for Pax to have played a hoax on us because he is a well-respected user here on Misplaced Pages and wouldn't leave us hanging and completely confuzzled (hybrid of confused and puzzled) and plus in the middle of an RfA, he has gone through 2 or 3 requests in a short amount of time, which was a little unexpected. The last RfA, however, would've made him administrator until the hoax arrived. Now, of course, the one who hijacked Pax's account obviously didn't want Pax to become admin, so I rest my case. --CrnaGora 22:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    It appears that you know more about the scandal than me. :) I spent my days first just staying and watching as the events develop, powerless to affect it, before I returned as User:HRE. I knew that this scandal has damaged my reputation to a level it will probably never ever climb back, the fact that I am the victim rather than the culprit of this terrible hoax even adds more to this; this is why I was reluctant to accept (and refused in the end) the nominations proposed to me by several people in the Wiki-world. (e.g. User:Xompanthy's) --PaxEquilibrium 23:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Regarding "I spent my days first just staying and watching as the events develop, powerless to affect it".
    How on Earth you could possibly be staying and watching powerless in this situation ???? Maybe you were tied to the chair in front of the computer??? You could react like IP, you could sent private e-mail to some people here, you could do zillion other things, but you decided to stay and watch while few thousant man-hours have been lost???? If my account were hijacked, I certainly wouldn't lay back and watched tens of people waisting their time. I just don't buy this hijacking think. It doesn't make any sense! --Ante Perkovic 08:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Because I (hmm, *he/she*) was blocked. I didn't decide anything, but was completely decapitated. Just like one admin said on my talk page "What is horrible is that HRE might be watching this whole thing from behind, completely unable to do anything. I know how would I feel in his case" . I did try to interviene with all my powers as fast as possible, and that is using the other Misplaced Pages (the Serbian Misplaced Pages, for instance). Now could please tell me the truth and say if you were invited to oppose my RfA or not (to hear your statement, since User:Zmaj and User:Ceha are obvious results of Votestalking? --PaxEquilibrium 09:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Blocked? Was your email also blocked? Or your phone? Or IRC? Why don't you just admit that you staged it. If you already admited it, you would propably had more chances to get an adminship. This way, noone will ever believe that you truly changed. Regarding votastalking, I found about this RfA as a result of my question "What's new on wiki". Your Rfa's has become interesting part of wiki folklore. How many times you failed to get adminship? 5? 10? I didn't get to vote every time. Maybe because of poorly organised votestalking? ;).--Ante Perkovic 13:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    I don't understand what you're saying. Please remain civil, this comment of yours is not very nice at all. I will not admit it because that would be lying - is that what you're proposing? The allegations of votestalking are pretty high because you have only returned to edit here, and you must admit the presence of vote-balloting controversy, as per User:Zmaj's invited vote and the very high possibility of votestalking with User:Ceha's vote too (you all come from the same part of Europe). I would also advice you to refer to WP:NPA, because you're personally attacking me, especially the bit questioning my sanity. Cheers. --PaxEquilibrium 19:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    I sad all I had to say about votestalking. I asked what's new and then I learned about this RfA. I really do not know how other people came here.
    On the other side, You keep avoiding to answer my question about being unable to communicate? For a start, can you please clarify for me who wrote User talk:PaxEquilibrium/Archive2#Alive this and following chapters, you or "hijacker"? --Ante Perkovic 07:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    These following sources will help prove my point: - In all these sources, Sad News went around to the people that Pax was mainly involved with at the time and told them that Pax had died, a case of spreading the hoax. He also spread the "news" to another 5-10 people.
    • - Pax never uses "en:User:" in front of his username
    • - Pax is never that demanding
    • - Pax would never say "wtf?" and "who the hell", plus his english has gotten worse ans we all know how good of a speller he is, a level-5 knowledge of english!
    • - as I said in the above statement
    • - why would Pax be talking about himself about his passing away nor the mention of his "cousin" Igor also passing away, too, very odd indeed. --CrnaGora 23:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Even aside from all of CrnaGora's links, there's a link right in the General comments section to a much longer (and more confusing) discussion of it all. Someone (I don't recall who) mentioned Ferick over there, so it wasn't Pax just now bringing up the accusation, just him summarizing the guesses. Perhaps he mentioned that one here because it's not in the User:HRE summary? -Bbik 03:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Ah, so it was random speculation from C-c-c-c, who seems to have been an extreme Serbian nationalist who proved completely unable to work collaboratively and has been indefinitely blocked. --Michael Snow 04:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    I'm not familiar with C-c-c-c, but if I recall he wasn't the only one. In the end, I am at many good with Bosniak, Croatian and Serbian nationalists in Misplaced Pages (though generally constructive users; this one appears to be a troll). --PaxEquilibrium 07:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    C-c-c-c was the only one to mention it that I have been able to find. Again, if there's more evidence to suggest Ferick or any specific person was responsible, please bring it forward, because it might help clear up the situation. If there isn't, then stick to your retraction and don't make unsupported insinuations about people. --Michael Snow 16:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. I don't buy the fake death -- Y not? 00:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    What fake death? Someone hijacked his account and played a disgusting "joke", and because of that Pax can't be an admin? I'm trying to see the logic here...--Hadžija 00:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Whatever. -- Y not? 02:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Forgive me for thinking you wanted to discuss this RfA. I mean, it's not like you commented in the discussion section or anything, right? :-) // Hadžija 04:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Maybe he is the strong but silent type. — MichaelLinnear 04:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    /keeps quiet, flexes bicep -- Y not? 12:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Isn't that then a reason to block rather than to oppose his RfA? —AldeBaer 01:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    No. -- Y not? 02:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    What? Nothing in the blocking policy about blocking someone because you don't believe them, is there? – Riana 02:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    WP:POINT would be the closest - it caused a lot of discussions on the RfA, WP:DEAD, WP:AN, WT:RFA, IRC, WikiEN-l, etc... that's definite disruption, whether it was a hacker or Pax himself. Will 02:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    I rather thought this was out of the jurisdiction of Misplaced Pages:Dead-end pages, but OK. :) – Riana 02:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    I'm silly, I thought I was linking to Misplaced Pages:Deceased Wikipedians. I should remember my redirects next time. Will 03:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Weak Oppose - I have no quarrel with HRE/PaxEquilibrium, infact, I always enjoyed working with HRE even when we didn't see eye to eye on some things, and in that respect he always dealt with me fairly. But all this business with death, account hijacking, accusations, etc. really makes me wonder if we will ever know what really happened. I'm just not comfortable with granting a support vote at this time. --Dr.Gonzo 12:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Oppose I am not satisfied by the answers to Samir or Nishkid's question, which appear rather evasive. I am particularly unhappy with the apparent readiness to point the finger at another without evidence. I am aware of the potential injustice here to a contributer who may merely been the victim of a nasty hoax. But I am deeply uncomfortable with this candidacy. Concerns over neutrality in editing linger from the last RfA, we have the mysterious "death", and now the apparently baseless accusation and failure to openly disclose the numerous prior RfAs as pointed out by Sarah. I'm not convinced this is someone who should be trusted with the mop. WjBscribe 15:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Oppose per WJBscribe. I'm sorry, Pax, I slept on it, and I'm concerned about the fact that you pointed a finger without evidence. I give you points for withdrawing it, that shows maturity, but I'm concerned at the thought process that allowed you to do it in the first place. My mother always says that when two things are odd, it's strange - when three things are odd it's coincidence, but when four or more things are odd, it's a pattern - I'm afraid there's a pattern of unusual editing and situations around you and I'm not willing to risk the admin tools on someone in that situation. Philippe 22:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Strongly oppose. Per previous RfA (arguments given then) and his current POV-izing (very perfidious and "hidden"). He places filtered and channelized informations. A person has been rejected 4 times (5th time somebody deleted my vote "oppose" because of "unusual circumstances" and transferred it to the talk page). Is that enough!? Has any Pax's supporter here read the arguments on previous RfA's? "That was long ago" is not an argument.
    The supporters only live in their world, without asking themselves what are those opposers saying. The supporters of Pax don't know the history of countries concerned in "problematic" articles, where Pax gave his contributons. He plays perfidious game, and those uninformed "buy it".
    Some of Pax's supporters are here, because they support his cause. It would be nice to hear Kosova Albanian's vote here also. We still have no Shqip voter. The same thing is with the Bosnian Muslims. We still have no any vote from them. Some of them have also few things to say about Pax's POV.
    Those who don't know him "get easily on the bait". Whenever Pax's intends to be an admin, he begans to "play nice". Do you know the axiom about wolf's hair and character?
    Recently, he became too annoying to some users. If some users don't want to communicate with him, he should understand that, not to persist on communication. Annoying is a way of bad behaviour. User's talk pages aren't Pax's noticeboards. He annoyed me (I had to ignore him or delete his postings, I hope he finally got the message), and, as I see, user Mig11 (see the Mig's reactions and ..
    His report to the checkuser pointed towards me is special story. A try to kick out the serious opponent, which beats his filtered and channelized information. One of his the arguments of his accusation was that I have similar interest in a topic, that one vandal/trol had. But, point is, that he also has the interest in that topic - article Pagania.
    About examples. Here are some recent ones. On the talk page of Pagania, he persistently pushes the story about Serbhood in that medieval duchy. His lines "unified Serbian state", "unified Serbian realm" are open greaterserbianism . His text about "autochtonous Serb" is greaterserbian propagandist POV .
    On the talk page of the article Ante Starčević he obviously doesn't understand the meaning of word racism. At least, his arguments are equal to zero, especially when dealing with such heavy qualification of a person. -misses the point.
    What does this mean? . On the talk page of user MaGioZal. "Croat, Serbs, Serbo-Croat-like peoples are probably all one people". You could imagine his "neutrality" on the matters of distinguished Croatian and Serbian language.
    On the talk page of user Sideshow Bob, he expressed again his greaterserbianism. , claiming that Bokelji "were and are Serbs". Despite numerous Croat community there.
    Then, look at his contributions on Talk:Croatian_War_of_Independence (section Relevance of Memorandum).(user Marinko talked with him, we don't have his vote here). "...Not all of Croatia wanted to secede, a large portion of its population didn't want to...." and "key fact is that Serbs wanted to stay in Yugoslavia". Original research. Croatia wanted to became independent, to dissolve the partnership. Not to secede. Then this They (forces dispatched by Vuk Drašković's party) went to defend Serb civilians from ethnic cleansing and discrimination. Total greaterserbian POV. Bosnian Serbs do what they want in Bosnia, and Pax speaks about "defence of civilians", defending openly greaterserbian politician? Any Croat, Bos.Muslim, Albanian will confirm that).
    About criticism of users that aren't editing on day-by-day basis: what does that mean? That they don't have a right to vote? Who says that they don't know the matter, because of that? They dealt with similar topics as Pax, so they know what are they talking about and whome they are talking about. So, according to supporters, no user can go on vacation for a few weeks (because Rfa voting period is 7 days), if he wants to vote on crucial wiki matters? Obviously, it did happen what I've warned in previous RfA's: these candidacy for Pax's RfA will be persistently "pushed" till finally the opposers' absence because of various reasons (hospitalized, private life obligations- children, some have a lot to work with no time to write wiki-contributions...but they can still follow RfA's), and of course, vacations.
    Arguments that "opposers came from the same country". Of course. That country was a target of greaterserbian imperialism. Laotans and Bushmans don't care a lot about greaterserbianism, it doesn't have any impact on theirs' lives.
    If some users like/love/adore Pax, they can confirm and proove their friendship and sympathies towards him in other ways, but not by giving adminship. Let's stay serious. If you think he's a nice person, that's your opinion. Stevie Wonder is probably a nice person in private life, but I wouldn't take him to drive my car (especially with me in it).
    Why is someone insisting on adminship of an user that was rejected so many times? There were and there are good reasons why he's not an admin. Kubura 09:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    OMG, man, what is wrong with you? I AM BOSNIAK (or my parents, if you will) and I completely and strongly support him becoming administrator, becuase he will protect wikipedia from the likes of you. And you now why you missed that? Becuase you dont care. You didnt even read anything, just write because you seem to be blinded by nationalism. I have seen you and you are everything that is described in the lies you propagate about Pax. You here have only disrupted wikipedia, and by your edits youre a clear (as you say "Greater)Croatian" ulternationalist. Im sure you feat Pax just becouse you think hes serb and just because hes not a nationalist. And what about other ethnicities? Well, I read Pax talkpage, and it seams that the idea of him being administrator commes from A CROAT. But I dont even now why I am talking this to you, because you will probably not change your mind when it comes to stoping your nationalist "expansionism" (lol). I've seen you write often propagandist things, and this is by far one of the most ones you write. --Edin Sijercic 17:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    Edin, RfA is not a place for personal attacks on users that oppose. If you want to tell me something, send me a message on my talk page or on the talk page of certain article. Do not disrupt the RfA. Stick to the topic. And you haven't prooved my arguments wrong. Kubura 08:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    Yes, you should learn that first. And no, I need to tell you here - because some people might actualie believe you. If you didnt notice YOUR the one who disrupting this RfA. And your arguments havent proved anything. --Edin Sijercic 18:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    Edin, this is Pax's RfA, not mine. So, this is the place and time to say all criticism about the candidate. And, I tell you for the 2nd time, if you want to criticize my work, you have my user talkpage or the talk pages of the articles. If you adore Pax that much, as some kind of deity, then build him a shrine, but don't insist on his adminhood on wiki. There're other users on wiki that can be admins. Kubura 08:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    You've simply given a big list of Pax's comments that you disagree with and characterised them totally falsely (as anyone who checks out your claims can see). Apart from that, you've written a lot and said little. (well, you've revealed a lot about youw own outlook...) --Hadžija 10:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    You think that someone can speak about "unified Serbian lands" (when speaking about other countries' territories) and lie about "autochtonous Serbs" in some countries (despite the fact that Greek Orthodox believers were imported few centuries ago) and then just get away with it (in RfA)? People that aren't from ex-Yugoslavia don't know that, and Pax is misusing that. And I've shown that. And then you say that opposer "wrote a lot, said little"... ("Wrote a lot"... Yes, wiki is knowledge project, not sheepkeeping. We have faculty education, we have longer sentences, we aren't shepherds with no school.) Than, you've said that Pax is productive. So what? So does any vandal/troll. Pax is "neutral"? You still haven't proven anything against the arguments of the opposers, neither from previous RfA's, neither from current one. Just by saying "he's neutral", you haven't shown any argument. Kubura 13:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    I think your problem ("other countries' territories") is that you have a problem differentiating between the Middle Ages and the 21st century. Also, the burden of proof is on you. So far, you've made a load of hyperbolic accusations, and linked to a lot of Pax's posts which don't support them. The problem seems to be that you can't accept other people can validly hold a different view to you on certain issues without being "greatserbien nationalists". Labelling other good faith users is pointless and gets the project nowhere. And finally, for all your unsubstantiated accusations of "nationalism" - I urge you to look in the mirror and remember that he without sin should cast the first stone. --Hadžija 15:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Strong Oppose the candidate does not deserve to be an administrator based on his previous history and conduct. We just need to look at all the previous RFAs: RFA 1, RFA 2, RFA 3, RFA 3a, RFA 4 under the PaxEquilibrium's previous userid, which was unfortunately highjacked. Anyone making a decision needs to take into the contributions and conduct under the previous username User: HolyRomanEmperor. By having HolyRomanEmperor/PaxEquilibrium as administrator will only weaken the Misplaced Pages in the English language further especially in the subject concering: Yugoslavia, Serbia, Croatia, Bosina & Hercegovina, Montenegro, Kosovo, Macedonia and all what eminated from that part of the world or from the peoples that live or lived in that region. PaxEquilibrium has a drive, a miss directed drive. What is the point the person has gone through five RFA's and failed? HolyRomanEmperor/PaxEquilibrium as administrator will only bring more damage and conflict into Misplaced Pages. Vodomar 12:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    ...Says another Croat who misteriously appeared here after being inactive for a month... Am I the only one who's becoming annoyed, or even disgusted, with this votestacking that's coming from Croatian users? Sideshow Bob 18:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    Does being a person of Croatian extraction make me less worthy or illegible to enter this discussion or voting? Also, I did not bother registering on the English wikipedia under my Vodomar userid. That was my choice. Who is to say that I have not contirbuted. as most of my contributions are in the Croatian wikipedia. project. Sideshow Bob your comments on this voting page, show that you have a vested interest or your constant referecing on someone's extraction only show that you are the one with the bias, not me. Vodomar 04:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    First I was an inexperienced prick that barely knew what Misplaced Pages was and then because of organized numerous nationalist votestacking (with a similar thing happenin' in here, evidently). --PaxEquilibrium 18:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    There is no nationalist feeling in the vote. You are just crying wolf, that this time round you will fail again. Election is based on merit and conduct. Vodomar 04:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Weak oppose - If you failed 2 RFA's under the normal rules (1, 3a), the second being just over a year ago - I think that this says something about whether the community thinks you can be a good admin. Od Mishehu 18:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    Seriously, what kind of logic is that? "10 people didn't want him to be an admin a over year ago, therefore I most vote against?" Why are we even having this discussion then? People do change you know...--Hadžija 18:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Oppose Sorry Pax --HarisM 21:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Oppose. I've been following this for a while and I was trying to just keep out of this mess. Having said that: I don't mean any offense but, instead of outlining the pro's and con's (just a general observation though: the whole 'not a big deal' thing works both ways and if someone wants something that really isn't a big deal so bad, it's not entirely unreasonable to question that person's motives), I'll keep this very simple. Do I trust the candidate with the tools? No, sorry, I don't. -- Seed 2.0 00:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Oppose I am very sorry to join the ranks of those who have obviously been sent to this page to oppose the RfA, but to paraphrase Teke, even if we trust the editor, we can't trust the account, and that is reason enough not to grant the bit. Xiner (talk) 17:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. POV based Oppose I'm sorry, but the death issues just don't inspire the trust in me that an admin should inspire. Sorry. G1ggy 03:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Oppose per all above oppose comments. --demicx 09:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Oppose. Still too many concerns and questions. Of course, having your account hacked is a stressful situation for anyone. But your responses to it, then and now, still puzzle me. Also, while your levelheadedness is praised in the support comments, I see some of the opposite as well, in past blocks, in comments that we need more admins "desperately" or in requesting semi protection merely because of link spam. -- JoanneB 17:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. No, no, no, a thousand times, no. Per any above. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 04:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Oppose just once (a 1000 times not needed). Why? Because of my perception (on the basis of the detail provided throughout this whole RfA) that I can not trust this editor with admin tools at this time. Oh and for those who are helping to do the bureaucrats analysis of consensus - I have been editing constantly for months and months and months.--VS 11:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

Neutral until you answer Nishkid64's and Samir's questions. The last time you died it caused significant disruption, it will be interesting to hear your side of things. — MichaelLinnear 01:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
If you haven't noticed, Pax has already answered Nishkid64's and Samir's questions. --CrnaGora 02:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
After I stated my position. — MichaelLinnear 06:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  1. Neutral per what Michael said. I would've supported in a heartbeat, but there is ironic twist. Just a couple days ago I was discussing old RfAs and who has had many nominations, etc. and HRE came up. This was with a newer user (not newbie, just not around then) who read the linkings and was flummoxed by what happened. I recounted the timeline as I remembered, but the most important part is that I felt there was absolutely no resolution to the issue. I trust HRE/Pax Equilibrium as the user, but I need to know why I should trust the account. Teke 03:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Oh yeah, and that "last time you died" comment was funny in that dark way and that it smacks of truthfulness. Notice that Category:Deceased Wikipedians is sparsely populated since verification is a difficult thing to do. Rob Levin was a different issue since he was notable. I miss lilo :( Teke 03:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Neutral pending responses to Samir and Nish's questions. I'm prepared to accept that you were the victim of some sort of vicious prank - my sympathies, that's really very rough - but I'm still not sure. I might sit on the fence for a while. – Riana 06:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC) Switched to support. – Riana 07:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Neutral me too. Given all the issues lately I feel uncomfortable with the history. sorry cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 08:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Neutral. The low use of edit summaries is irritating b/c when someone looks through a user's edit history the lack of summaries makes determining information more difficult, even if edit summaries are used for all article edits. However, I won't oppose merely b/c of this issue, but the lack of edit summaries keeps me from supporting.--Alabamaboy 13:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    I'm going to sit on the fence and watch how this one unfolds. I have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach, but that could just be the burrito... I want to sit here and listen for a while though before putting my name down as support or oppose. Gotta admire you for giving it a go though. Philippe 22:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC) Switched to Oppose. Philippe 22:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Neutral pending answer to my question and a more thorough look into what happened with the compromised account. ^demon 08:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Neutral I find myself adding a neutrality vote, even though I wasn't originally planning on voting whatsoever in the Rfa. I believe the user could EASILY become a good admin, but what worries me is the lack of confidence my fellow Wikipedians have in them. I believe that a good admin doesn't stem from editcounts, good work statistics, nor heavy involvement. But all those things are very key. But what they really need is trust, and the trust of admins and editors to not have issues, nor to have even the slight possibility of abusing the tools. I would LOVE to support you and your efforts, but I am deeply sorry: I cannot. It has become apparent that several people, including some who have quite esteemed editing careers here, do not wish to see you as an admin right now. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not give up; persevere. This will allow you to not only improve yourself as an editor: it will greatly improve your standing here. I'm not suggesting that you need this, but alas, this is only the advice of an editor at 4am. I believe you to be a good editor, but not in the correct mindset at this time for the tools. I dearly hope to see you around here more however. Jmlk17 10:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Neutral The why/why not battle makes my head hurt. Dfrg.msc 09:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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MaxSem

Ended (75/0/0); 18:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

MaxSem (talk · contribs) - Where to start discussing this fabulous user is truly a challenge. A steward since December 2006 and an administrator on the Russian Misplaced Pages since April 2006, MaxSem has also been an active contributor to the English Misplaced Pages since November 2005. He is a regular to vandal fighting and disambiguation link repair, and partakes in a slew of Misplaced Pages-space activities, including, but not limited to, articles for deletion, requests for adminship, articles for creation, bot requests for approval, the administrators' noticeboard, and the incidents noticeboard. He is also a leading developer for AutoWikiBrowser, the famous semi-automated wiki editor. He is extraordinarily easy to work with, and is always in a good mood. With over 20,000 combined edits between all projects, it is obvious that MaxSem is one who can be fully trusted with the tools and responsibilities of being an administrator. —METS501 (talk) 16:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: Thank you, Mets. How could I decline? :) MaxSem 17:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


My statement
  • In my opinion, not only becoming administrator should be no big deal, as should losing this access level, therefore I will be available for recall.
  • Certainly, my English is far from native level, but I've been told that it is quite good enough.
  • Like every human being, I sometimes make mistakes. But at least I can admit them.

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: Things I'm already experienced with on other wikis:
  1. As always, reducing infinite speedy deletion backlog and blocking vandals.
  2. I have done a great deal of image deletions on ru: and participated in elimination of fair use images on Meta, so I will work on image backlogs, simple cases first, more complicated later, whn I gain more experience.
  3. Closing AfD discussions (I'm not too experienced with other XfD's, but can learn later)
  4. Editing protected pages would be extremely useful for me: fulfilling requests for updating protected pages, editing protected templates (on ru:, full deprecation of {{qif}} was done mostly by me) and making neccessary interface changes in the MediaWiki: namespace. I have plenty of experience with m:Spam blacklist, therefore I anticipate working with enwiki's local whitelist. As an AWB developer, I could really use ability to edit its checkpage for adding new users and updating its format.
  5. I'm not a member of the bot approvals group, but I'm frequently to be found at bot-related discussions and anticipate using sysop tools for bot-related things, e.g. blocking malfunctioning/unapproved bots and unblocking them when things have been sorted out.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: I'm not the greatest article writer ever, and even on my home wiki I have only written one GA and a couple of DYKs. My main contribution to Misplaced Pages is programming - I devote much of my free time to AutoWikiBrowser. Yet after extensive referencing of the List of United States Presidential assassination attempts (which I found by clicking "Random page") I've put it up for a peer review, hoping to bring it to featured list status.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A:It wasn't a personal conflict, however I participated in this RFC regarding Lupo. I felt that such changes need to be thoroughly discussed first, and only then implemented. When discussion on Commons was over and it was decided to get rid of pre-1973 Soviet images, I participated myself in deprecation of {{PD-Soviet}} on ru: and performed the same kind of edit myself.
Optional question 4. I notice your willingness to be available for recall. Don't you think the category creates a unnecessary differentiation between users who belong to it and users who do not, making the last group appear as if they have a problem with losing sysop access? Just curious. -- ReyBrujo 18:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
A: Probably, it is. But I always thought so, and made similar statement during my Russian RfA, even though there is no CAT:AOR analogs on ru:. Easy come, easy go, admins should always have community's support. MaxSem 18:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Optional question from Durova

5. What would you do as an administrator about ideological or profit motive attempts to manipulate Misplaced Pages? Bear in mind this statement from Brad Patrick as well as this news story, this conference summary, this press release, and these blogs. Durova 23:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
A: Of course, there should be no hesitation whatsoever for editors to nominate promotional articles for deletion, and for administrators to delete them. But that doesn't seem to provide enough protection from abuse. One litte example. How can I help? Probably, by paying more attention to arguments on AfD, mercilessly ignoring those that contradict our policies. I'm not so good at mediating, so I can't help much with POV disputes, sorry. By the way, I was recently interviewed by a SEO-related website, and they were extremely interested in things such as rel="nofollow" and other counterspam measures. I tried to assure them that spamming here is pointless as we fight spam effectively, but I don't think they believed me:) MaxSem 19:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/MaxSem before commenting.

Discussion

Support

  1. Strong Support - As Per Mets501's Nomination. Helpful, happy down to earth guy, who always helps out when help/advice is requested. Reedy Boy 17:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support - this is a bit of a no brainer, given that the user is already a steward, as well as an admin on meta: and ru:. His work here, as well as there, is invaluable, and, as a member of en-wiki, I feel honoured that he has accepted Mets' request to become a janitor here. Martinp23 18:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support Good user, won't abuse the tools. --kingboyk 18:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support definitely. MaxSem is a very experienced Wikipedian who would make a great admin. A user with his level of dedication should be granted the tools. —Anas 18:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support I've seen this user all over the AWB pages. Seems a very helpful and dedicated user. --After Midnight 18:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support I don't see any problems with this user having the admin tools. (aeropagitica) 18:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support: Of course a steward can handle the job :p ~ Magnus animuM 19:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support per nom and candidate's record. No issues or concerns. Newyorkbrad 19:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support Absolutely. Spartaz 19:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Strong Support as nominator —METS501 (talk) 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 19:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Strong and obvious support. no concerns.DGG 20:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support Obviously can be very trusted with the tools since he is already a sysop. Evilclown93 20:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. «Snowolf » obviously supports this candidate for adminship, as he is confident that this user won't do anything stupid with the tools (added on 21:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC))
  15. One of the Wikimedia Foundation's best volunteers gaillimh 21:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support. Seems like a good, reasonable and levelheaded editor. -- Seed 2.0 22:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support Unable to find anything against you. --St.daniel 22:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support- strong editor, friendly and levelheaded. Thunderwing 22:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Strong support I first encountered MaxSem back in January (I think it was then). I have seen this user various times and I am glad to strongly support. Acalamari 22:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Strong Support MaxSem is a knowledgeable of policy, and I'm sure his experiences at the Russian Misplaced Pages, Meta-Wiki and as a steward make him qualified for adminship here at the English Misplaced Pages. Nishkid64 (talk) 23:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support, surely. --Phoenix 23:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support. Every reason to trust this user with the tools. Will (aka Wimt) 23:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support of course -- Samir 23:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Strong support He's been a pleasure to work with, here and on Meta. Definitely an asset. Majorly (talk | meet) 23:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support. Stewards are some of the most trusted people in the whole Foundation. I certainly trust MaxSem with the tools, because he's already got cooler ones at Meta. Sean William 23:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Very Strong Support-Ummm....he's a steward. If we can trust him with control of all levels on every single foundation wiki, I think we can make him an admin on one. (By the way, when this passes unanimously, can he promote himself :) ) --TeckWiz is now R Contribs@ (Let's go Yankees!) 00:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    No he cannot, that would violate Steward policies. Majorly (talk | meet) 00:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Note that his adminship request on en.wiki should be treated like a request from any other editor. We must primarily examine the work that he's done here at the English Misplaced Pages, and then use his other Misplaced Pages experience as secondary reason for granting/denying his adminship request. Nishkid64 (talk) 00:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Yes, but it shows trust (and the fact that he's not likely to go rouge :)) --TeckWiz is now R Contribs@ (Let's go Yankees!) 01:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    omg steward! droolz! Really, some of the comments in this debate are a bit silly and irrelevant. There's plenty of reasons to promote MaxSem based on his work here (knowledgeable, helpful, trustworthy, AWB dev) and that's what we should be looking at. It's not unknown for admins on other wikis to fail at RFA here, we have a different culture after all. --kingboyk 11:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    Yes, but he's a steward on all Wiki's, and that's a lot harder to pass than an RFA. Anyway, I'm going to stop about it, he's great on this Wiki also, and also helpful with AWB. --TeckWiz is now R Contribs@ (Let's go Yankees!) 00:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Most definitely. Errabee 00:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. He'll certainly be useful. John Reaves (talk) 01:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. No doubt -- Y not? 01:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support His history speaks well for him. JodyB talk 01:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support - yep, sign him up. Philippe 02:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support per others comments. Captain panda 03:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Support Very, very reasonable. English is very good (who cares if it's not native?), and an additional level-headed, sensible admin is always a good idea. Jmlk17 04:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support per Nishkid's comment above. – Riana 04:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support - one of the best admins on Russian wiki Alex Bakharev 04:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Support. WjBscribe 10:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. Support - a very trusted user in many wikimedia projects, however, we should judge the candidate on this one: A very level headed user who is knowledgeable about policy, I like the answers to questions, he will do well. Ryan Postlethwaite 10:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. I support this candidate. Conscious 11:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  39. Yes --Rettetast 19:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  40. I think he'd make a fine admin here. ++Lar: t/c 19:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  41. Support - if this editor can do more by having the tools, then he should have them! LessHeard vanU 20:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  42. Support - an obvious one. Yonatan 20:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  43. Support: Has plenty of experience and edit summary usage is also good. Should be an asset as an administrator considering he is already experienced.  Orfen  | Contribs 21:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  44. Jaranda 23:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  45. Support While I may have a small bias as a Soviet (привет!), it's not that hard to see that he'd be a perfect candidate. ~Женя 00:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  46. Support without question, a very experienced Wikipedian indeed. -- Grafikm 00:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  47. Support Clearly trustworthy and a valued contributor. JavaTenor 00:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  48. Support never had any trouble with this user. Prodego 01:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  49. --U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. 03:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  50. Support. Already wears many Misplaced Pages hats - if he wants this one too, great. -- MarcoTolo 04:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  51. Support - as per nom..----Cometstyles 05:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  52. Support dedicated contributor.--cj | talk 11:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  53. Support. Should definitely have an admin hat due to his role on AWB alone. --Ligulem 11:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  54. Strong Support -- has already provided the English Misplaced Pages good spam-fighting support in his role as a Meta admin handling the spam blacklist. Some of his pithy one-line responses to spammers complaining there about blacklisting have been classic "keepers" (I wish I'd kept a few). --A. B. 11:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  55. Support I can't think of anything else to say that hasn't already been said, so I will stick with: excellent contributor. :-) GDonato (talk) 13:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  56. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 18:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  57. Support D. Recorder 00:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  58. PeaceNT 05:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  59. Support - no question --Herby 09:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  60. Support Helpful guy. Voted for his stewardship before, so, if he declares himself available for recall, how could I possibly not vote for him here? --Pan Gerwazy 20:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  61. Support, Meets my personal standards. --Random 20:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  62. A bit of a no-brainer, really, but even so his work on enwiki when segregated from his meta duties still show him to be an excellent candidate. Daniel 11:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  63. Support If I could find one reason not to support then I would point it out. But I can't. James086 13:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  64. Support - A no brainer.↔NMajdantalk 14:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    Support *gets pen* *signs on the dotted line* I already voted above. My apologies. -- Seed 2.0 21:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  65. Support I like the answer to my question. There appear to be no worries in other areas. Durova 20:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  66. Bueno - Georgewilliamherbert 23:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  67. I see no problems with him being an administrator. -- ReyBrujo 12:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  68. Support. All indications that user will use the tools judiciously. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 16:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  69. Aye. A superb diplomat. — Feezo (Talk) 09:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  70. He isn't one already? --Rory096 19:00, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  71. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:28, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  72. Support: Total edits = 4513. Inexperienced? NO he's already a sysop, bureaucrat and steward of Meta :-) Good luck --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ 13:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  73. Terence 14:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  74. Strong Support Knows the ropes? Yes. Experienced? Yes. Gonna support him? Yes. Dep. Garcia ( Talk + | Help Desk | Complaints ) 19:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  75. Support without slightest doubt. Intelligent and reasonable person. --Irpen 19:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Masamage

Ended (34/0/0); 17:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Masamage (talk · contribs) - Masamage is a Wikipedian since June 2006, heavily contributing to Sailor Moon-related articles (at the moment, she can claim significant contributions to 3 good articles). I think we can trust this user with the tools. «Snowolf » 12:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:

I'm honored, thank you. I accept this nomination.

Anyone examining my contribs and edit counts will immediately notice that most of my recent work is within a fairly narrow range; however, I have worked on a wide variety of articles, and continue to do so anytime something outside my "home" WikiProject catches my eye. I am very knowledgeable about Misplaced Pages's policies (from civility to MOS to image use) and try to stick to them above all else. I always look them up to find the text I'm referring to before I cite them, which is a good thing, because sometimes I find I've misremembered something and can then change my comments accordingly. --Masamage 17:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: A few months back I used to spend a lot of time poking around WP:AN/I for tasks a non-admin could help with, and also participated a lot in WP:AFD. As an admin I would go back to doing both, having much more to offer. I would also like to help out with WP:AIV, speedy deletion, and in particular WP:RM. RM always seems backlogged with things that are obviously a good idea and just need someone's attention.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: I'm very proud of WikiProject Sailor Moon, which I founded and spend most of my Misplaced Pages time maintaining. It has turned a huge number of disorganized, haphazard articles into a much smaller number of much better articles. I do a lot of rewriting and a lot of citation-hunting, and I keep the main project page running so that people always have an up-to-date list of what needs to be done next. I start discussions on anything I do that might be controversial and try to deal with concerns according to policy. If people are concerned about what a change might look like, I often create test pages to show them. Sometimes we discard the whole idea, as with this section about image songs, which was an attempt to prose-ify a list, and which not used because we just got rid of the list altogether. I didn't put up any fuss about the work I'd put into that.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I've had a lot of conflicts, yes, and I've never called anyone names or yelled at them. I recently got under someone's skin by telling them to "chill," but I think that's the rudest I've ever been to someone who was making me mad. I got a civility warning once for saying that I wouldn't vote for a hypothetical admin if I didn't think they could handle stress without flipping out and swearing at people. When it became clear that most of the people in that discussion were supportive of admins whose stress levels cause them to yell at vandals and other disrupters, I got very upset and stopped participating in WP:AN/I for a while. I don't think working hard is an automatic exemption from WP:CIV, so that's the standard I would hold myself to if I became an admin.

Optional question from Durova

4. What would you do as an administrator about ideological or profit motive attempts to manipulate Misplaced Pages? Bear in mind this statement from Brad Patrick as well as this news story, this conference summary, this press release, and these blogs. Durova 20:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, right off the bat I'm entirely in agreement with Mr. Patrick's statement. Misplaced Pages is no place for advertisements--monetary, religious, fanfictional, or otherwise. I'm not sure that being an administrator would give me all that much more power over it than I have now, though; I already list stuff for speedy-deletion. As an admin I could control the second part of that process, I guess, and be more involved in any wide-scale clean procedures that need to be done. Certainly I'd learn a lot more about how that works by talking to other admins and building consensus. --Masamage 22:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Optional question from JuJube

5. As an administrator, how would you handle the deletion bureaucracy? This question generally refers to closing AfDs and speedy deletions. JuJube 22:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Very, very carefully. I take action on things that need to be done, but I hate having people mad at me, and that makes me pretty process-driven. I already try not to do anything that's likely to be controversial without making sure that everyone knows what's going on (merges, moves, etc); I'm sure that would apply to deletion procedures as well. --Masamage 23:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Masamage before commenting.

Discussion

Support

  1. «Snowolf » supports this candidate for adminship, as he is confident that this user won't do anything stupid with the tools (added on 12:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC))
  2. Support John254 18:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support A good spread of edits across the main spaces; a responsible editor who is active in at least one Wikiproject too. I don't believe that this editor would abuse the admin tools. (aeropagitica) 18:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support seems to have what it takes. -- zzuuzz 18:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support. A great WikiProject steward. --  Denelson8319:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Hai! Excellent work at the SM project (which she founded), 9000+ edits for those who focus on those things, great knowledge of Misplaced Pages policies and all in all a very good candidate for adminship. No-brainer, give her the tools, she won't misuse them. Raystorm 19:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support, kokoro kara. alanyst 19:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. SupportWP:RM does need more admins--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 19:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support. Prior experience indicates this user is diligent, helpful, and level-headed. Many contributions to the project, good awareness of policy and ability to work with others. I've yet to see any reason we wouldn't want to give her a few extra buttons. – Luna Santin (talk) 20:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support , Masamage has has all was done her best to make Sailor Moon Pages the best and always given me helpfull advise I would have left because of this ID hopping Vandle if she didn't help me keep my cool she would be a great Admin ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 20:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support Being also a Sailor Moon fan, I've worked with Masamage on many occasions am at surprised at how civil she is in her interactions with others, especially with ones who want to pick a fight with her over the whole Sailor Moon thing. As an admin, her civilised demeanor would serve the project wonderfully. JuJube 22:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support - despite our recent "conflicts", I think this user would make an awesome admin! ~ G1ggy! Reply | Powderfinger! 00:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support per the answer to my question above. Other factors also look like this editor would be fine with the tools. Durova 01:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. What is Sailor Moon, anyway? I support. -- Y not? 03:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support seems to be a good user to become and admin. Captain panda 03:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support Someone so involved needs to become an admin; should have happened already! Jmlk17 04:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support Good worker, involved, should do great things with the bit. – Riana 04:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support Masamage seems like an ideal candidate for adminship. She does a good job editing and interacts well with the community. —Anas 13:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Rettetast 19:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support: User has a great amount of experience and edit summary usage is also good, just 1% away from 100% in minor edits. Don't see anything wrong, should make a fine administrator.  Orfen  | Contribs 21:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. --U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. 02:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support - ----Cometstyles 14:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 18:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support per Luna, Riana, Durova, and for good measure Mailer, on general principles since that was a cool support !vote format. Georgewilliamherbert 20:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support I like what I see here and am going to support Masamage. Acalamari 22:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. PeaceNT 14:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support Yeah she deserves it. she works so hard! Also would probly be in trouble a number of times if she hadn't helped out.. YES GIVE IT TO HER!--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 15:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support - Masamage is an editor truly deserving of admin position. The Hippie 03:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support I don't see any reason not to. James086 09:30, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Nice bunch of edits - even if limited within a field or two at times. Seems ready for adminship. Support--VS 11:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ 12:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Default support. —AldeBaer 12:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Terence 14:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support - I'm jumping in a bit late here, but I only just remembered I forgot to vote on this RfA. Anyhow, support per all above. Walton 16:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Anas Salloum

Final: (49/0/0); Ended 15:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Anas Salloum (talk · contribs) - Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls; I give to you a model Wikipedian (also known as Anas Salloum). Anas has been with use for a total of eight months now, with his first edit being on 8 October 2006, since then he has ammassed over 10,500 edits, with almost 4000 if these being to the WP:NAMESPACE and a large selection of other varied edits across the different namespaces - as well as always leaving an edit summary (100%) excluding the edits in the first two months of his arrival, since then – Anas has shown extreme skill and dedication to this Project, working extremely hard on English-Arabic translations over a range of different articles (some examples: here, here, here, and here - always remembering to remove the {{Arabic}} from the article talk page - shown here, and here - these are just two examples). He has shown excellence in his image uploads as well as helping to promote Faten Hamama to the good article status, giving it a complete re-write – just by looking at the page history you can see he is a regular editor of that article, improving it where possible. As well as his other excellent work, Anas has created the highly successful WikiProject Syria and helped maintain it throughout.

Going back to article work, Anas has wrote a total of seven B-class article and a large amount of other non-B-class articles. All of the seven B-class articles had information written by him featured on the did you know section of the Main Page, Anas helps improve articles regularly by adding maps, he has recently become involved and is very active in creating maps for the different locations across Syria, some of his maps are included in {{Syria Labelled Map}}. moving on to the sometimes distressing part and sometimes annoying of Misplaced Pages, Anas is a regular vandalism fighter, with regular and helpful contributions to the never ending battle against vandals. Not just has Anas shown extreme skill and dediciation throughout, he has also helped out with the large maintenance tasks on a selection of article:

  • Gregoria de Jesus - Anas saved this article from being deleted, completely re-written the article and as a result of his helpfl contributions, was a DYK feature on the Main Page.
  • Muhammed Taib - Anas helped save this from deletion with his helpful contributions and maintenance to the article.

Anas is a regular interactor with fellow Wikipedians. regularly discussing ways to discuss and improve WP:FILM articles, as well as being one of the most polite users I have came across on Misplaced Pages, always remaining civil and polite, for just one out of the hundreds of examples of his maturity and civility just see here.

Now, finally as you will almost certainly already know, Anas is one ther most regular participants at WP:RFA, making decisions on whether to support, remain neutral or oppose on other users requests for adminship, his comments always seem accurate and reflect an accurate and excellent knowledge of policy and what it takes to be an administrator. Therefore, giving Anas the tools would in my opinion help benefit this Project in multiple ways The Sunshine Man 15:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:

I am humbled by The Sunshine Man's graceful offer to nominate me and am glad to accept his nomination. —Anas 15:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: With the acquisition of the tools, I expect to be involved actively in admin work. Since I live on the "other side of the world", for now at least, WP:AIV is often backloged when I'm online, especially in days with high vandal-activity. I will continue my vandalism fighting and will help out in WP:AIV by monitoring for new reports. I will also help clear the constantly updated backlogs of WP:CSD. I am likely to use the tools when performing moves needing deletion; many articles with Arabic transliterated names use incorrect transliterations. Seeing that I have a fair understanding of the standard schemes of transliterationg Arabic, I usually encounter pages which have been moved to incorrect names; usually, in the case of Arabic-named articles, mistakes occur mainly with the usage of the "Al-" prefix (or article). Since many Arab new-comers come to me for help, I might be able to help them whenever they need my admin assistance. Eventually, as I get better accustomed to dealing with the tools, I will expand my work to other admin areas.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: I really enjoy article writing. I have taken this stub and turned it into a good article; having acquired a new book recently, I am planning on taking it to FA-status soon. I have also written seven B-class articles featured on the DYK section in the Main Page. Since I speak Arabic fluently, I have cleared the backlog of articles needing Arabic script and have so far added the script to more than 1500 articles. As part of my activity in WikiProject Film, I have written many film articles, all about Egyptian cinema. Sadly only Arabic sources are available for such articles. I've also single-handedly created and set up WikiProject Syria. As part of my work in the Project, I have created dozens of needed and requested articles, assessed all in-scope articles, and created stub-templates and missing categories. I have also spent a great deal of time rearranging and maintaining articles in the scope of the Project. Recently I have worked on finding maps for the districts of Syria, and with the help of Rarelibra, created and designed dynamic maps for all districts. I am now proud to say that Misplaced Pages is the only place you can find these maps online. As my nominator has indicated, I've saved a few articles from deletion: Gregoria de Jesus, an article I rewrote, sourced, and successfully nominated for inclusion in the DYK section, and Muhammed Taib, an article which was saved from deletion by dint of my Arabic language and transliteration skills. I'm also currently working on an article on Syrian Americans, which I plan to take to GA or FA status. For more on my article work, please visit this page.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Yes, but nothing serious. Since I watch some celebrity articles, the addition of spam is ineluctable. I had a conflict with Yalibnan over the addition of external links to an article. I tried to convince him that the links he added were not acceptable and are considered spam. We had a little discussion and the problem was solved. And of course, as I revert vandalism, I occasionally get into small conflicts with vandals. Usually when I'm stressed from a conflict or a disagreement, I take a brief wiki-break and return when everybody has cooled down.

Optional questions from Nick (talk · contribs)

4.You are requesting the community grant you extra tools - primarily the ability to block users, the ability to delete material and the ability to protect or un-protect pages. Could you provide some examples of when you found it frustrating or inconvenient not having these tools and how you would have used them ?
A: You are correct. There are several cases where I have needed the tools. As I have indicated in my answer to Q1, there are many cases where I needed the tools to move articles. Unlike English names, and generally names written originally in Latin script, Arabic names can have many different transliterations. For example, the most common Arabic name, Mohammad, can be written as Muhammad, Mohamed, Muhammad, Muhammed, etc. On many occasions I have encountered articles which use a name which is not the primary transliteration or transcription of the name. On some occasions, I have found it frustrating when a troubling vandal is able to inflict more damage to articles when WP:AIV is backlogged. In such cases, I have found it somewhat inconvenient not having access to the tools.
5.What is your position on fair use imagery on Misplaced Pages, should high quality fair use images be used instead of low quality free images, should episode lists be left to use hundreds of images, should fair use images be hold on Wikimedia Commons ?
Can you explain how fair use images impact of the libre and gratis aspects of Misplaced Pages. How would you use administrative tools in relation to images ?
A: I am never in favor of having a high quality fair use image replacing a low-to-medium quality free image. In some cases, a non-replaceable fair use image is necessary for demonstration or to explain the content; such cases include images of album covers, DVD covers, logos, etc. I strongly disagree with the addition of fair use images to any list, and particularly in episode lists, where I think images add nothing much to the lists, and are somehow decorative. The use of fair use images contrasts the mission and concept of Misplaced Pages and the Wikimedia Foundation, which is supposed to provide free and reusable content with no restrictions. This is also why I disagree with and strongly oppose the use of non-free images in Commons. Using the administrative tools, I will delete/replace any images that are unneeded like thumbnails, unencyclopedic images, or orphan fair use images. I can also delete an image if another available image has a friendlier copyright policy.
6. Looking through your image contributions, I notice a number of Flickr images which have been uploaded, all under licences suitable for Wikimedia Commons - is there any reason you are still uploading free images to the local project instead of Commons.
Do you intend to move these free images to Commons - if not, why not ?
A: I have been uploading most of the free images I find to Commons recently. However, I used to upload free images to the local project earlier, for no certain reason though. As for moving these images to Commons, I don't think I'm going to do that any time soon. This is mainly because I currently have an unreliable dial-up connection, as Internet technologies are shockingly not well-developed where I'm living currently, Saudi Arabia. In a little more than a month, I am going back to Canada, where I am probably going to have a broadband connection that will enable me to move these images more easily. So yes, I will move them sooner or later.

Optional question from Durova

7. What would you do as an administrator about ideological or profit motive attempts to manipulate Misplaced Pages? Bear in mind this statement from Brad Patrick as well as this news story, this conference summary, this press release, and these blogs. Durova 20:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
A: I certainly agree with Brad Patrick. However, I will, and have always been, very careful and scrupulous when I catch a user editing his own/company's article. Assuming good faith, I will always accept such edits if they are reasonable, neutral in tone, and confirmed by reliable and acceptable sources. On the other hand, if I detect any edits that are in anyway worthless promotional additions, I will intervene and stop that. On many occasions, I have encountered many articles which are autobiographical, audaciously advertising, or simply spam links to a website. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and there is no place for vanity in here. These edits have to be either deleted or reverted, and the users spamming articles must be appropriately warned and blocked when necessary.

General comments


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Discussion

Support

  1. Beat-the-nominator support - seems like a fine fellow. Will 15:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Strongest possible support D'oh (lol), I wanted to be the first to support, as nominator.The Sunshine Man 16:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support - no evidence of problems. Adminship is no big deal. Walton 16:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support I've seen him about, and he definitely "gets it". Was thinking of nominating myself, if it wasn't for that userbox... ah well, good luck Anas, and I look forward to seeing you as an admin! :) Majorly (talk | meet) 16:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support-Definitely time for this. Good participation at RFA and over 4,000 edits in WP: space. Edit count isn't everything, but that shows it's time. --TeckWiz is now R Contribs@ (Let's go Yankees!) 16:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support - with no hesitation. 16:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support Great user. – Riana 16:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Strong Support. Great contributor. CG 16:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Strong Support, of course. Asabbagh 16:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. -- Y not? 17:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support despite their short time on the project, this editor has shown a lot of dedication. I don't believe that the admin tools would be abused. (aeropagitica) 17:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support brilliant --Infrangible 17:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support John254 18:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support nothing but positive things to say about this editor. The Rambling Man 18:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support - answers to the questions are excellent. No concerns at the present time. -- Nick 19:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 19:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Strong support A great user. Acalamari 20:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support, Meets my personal criteria. --Random 20:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support Record of excellent edits and comments and help to new users.DGG 20:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Strong Support. As the nomination said, she is a model Wikipedian. I see her helpful comments all the time. --Mschel 20:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
    I'm a "he". ;-) —Anas 11:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Happily support. Wonderful user and awesome person. Phaedriel - 22:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support Great work, will make very good use of the tools.--Húsönd 23:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Absolutely. Sean William 23:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support looks excellent.-- danntm C 23:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support. Nice comprehensive answers to the questions and a user I certainly trust with the tools. Will (aka Wimt) 23:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support I have seen this user elsewhere and I think this user should be an admin. Captain panda 03:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support More than happy to add my voice of support! Jmlk17 04:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support. WjBscribe 10:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. support - I've been impressed with anas for a long time, he's a dedicated user, and from comments he puts in other RfA's, I see he fully understands what is required for an admin. Ryan Postlethwaite 10:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Terence 14:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support - ahh.I missed again..should have been an Admin long time ago..----Cometstyles 15:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support this good fellow.. I like his edits and contributions Ralhazzaa 16:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Support, good answers and contributions that demonstrate eloquence and intelligence. · jersyko talk 17:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support, satisfied with the answer to my question, see no problems elsewhere. Durova 18:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Rettetast 19:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Support: User has plenty of experience and edit summary usage is also excellent. I have noticed this user around recently and have seen nothing but good work from this user. Also, I like the answers to the questions.  Orfen  | Contribs 20:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 18:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. Strong support. A very level headed, hard working and civil editor. This is the n time my vote comes just after Mailer diablo's one. So, i think i'll start to just say "as per MDiablo". -- FayssalF - 18:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  39. Strong support Interactions always positive. – B.hotep /t18:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  40. Support Yonatan 18:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  41. PeaceNT 05:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  42. Although I knew he "wasn't already one" (as opposed to the popular cliché), I've always wondered why. Expresses himself well, and has been extremely helpful and insightful in project and user talk space whenever I've seen him. Has proven that he doesn't snap, and doesn't make rash decisions. A model candidate. Daniel 05:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  43. Support Hard-working editor, he seems neutral too. --Mardavich 08:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  44. Support, have noticed positively, like the answers. Murgh 23:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  45. Support No worries at all. Sarah 08:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  46. Support Per everyone above. :) · AndonicO 16:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    Support Haven't I supported already? I certainly had one typed out a few days ago cracking a joke about your name, oh well. Back to business - a great hard working user who would make a fine administrator. Ryan Postlethwaite 21:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    Yes Ryan, you have supported already. See #29... WjBscribe 00:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    Oops! I knew I had but just couldn't find my name - obviously I thought the name comment wasn't appropriate! Ryan Postlethwaite 00:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    I shudder to think... WjBscribe 01:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  47. Support - good editor - seems capable of making a good admin.--VS 11:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  48. Support Would be fine. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ 12:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  49. Almost forgot to support. Another user I had already accepted as admin... —AldeBaer 12:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral


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C.Fred

Final (32/0/0); Ended 02:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

C.Fred (talk · contribs) - C.Fred has been a Wikipedian since September 2005 and an active editor since January 2006. For those interested in such things he has made nearly 6000 edits to the project, with 4000 of those being to the mainspace. C.Fred appears to me to have exactly the sort of experience needed to make a fine administrator. He is active in reverting vandalism and issues appropriate warnings. He also has good knowledge of our deletion policy, being both a new article patroller and regular AfD contributor. Where taking part in AfD he makes valid contributions to the debate beyond simple votes and obviously keeps track of the discussions, making further comments as necessary as they progress. In patrolling, he makes correct use of speedy templates and especially prods - I'm sure he would deal well with those requests as an admin.

C.Fred is an active member of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject U.S. Interstate Highways and focuses his attention on editing articles that fall within that project's scope and those on sport, especially football. C.Fred is a highly civil user and I've seen him be a very calming influence in a number of disputes. He shows a readiness to write personalised messages to problem users rather than resorting to templates - something that gets much more positive results and which we need to see more of. So in short, I think he has both the temperament and policy experience to make a good admin. WjBscribe 00:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:

I am honored to accept this nomination for admin. —C.Fred (talk) 02:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: The first areas are to continue with the work I've been involved with: vandalism cleanup, proposed deletions, AfDs, and speedy deletions. The second place will be to attend to items in Category:Administrative backlog. Additionally, I'm sure there will be places where I can either consult on a matter under discussion, assist in keeping a Talk page discussion civil, or otherwise answer a request for help.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: The easiest to identify are the Interstate Highways project articles, where I've worked to standardize exit lists. I also took the articles on Interstates 35E and 35W and made separate pages for the two instances of each numbering. Additionally, every so often, I find a random article that can grow with a little attention. The recent example that comes to mind is Peter S. Fosl: I wikified it, broke it into sections, added references, added categories, and otherwise helped to evolve it. Outside of the main article space are the talk comments: the templates are good as a general baseline, but sometimes users can be helped along with a more personal touch and trying to at least find out what their concern is. (More on that below.)
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I can think of two conflicts I've been in. One was fairly recently, over the UCR mascot Highlander deletion and repeated re-addings. On 28 March 2007, it evolved into an edit war on the Highlander article. The problem user in question began using inflammatory edit summaries; I avoided that issue entirely, stayed to the situation at hand, and invited the user to discuss the issue on the article's Talk page. I did make the accusation of said user being a sockpuppet of a banned user, but only after noticing the pattern of common behavior and after making a comment at an admin's talk page about the ongoing issues and specifically my suspicions of sockpuppetry.
The other conflict I've been involved with was the I-95 exit list/mass renaming of state routes in the U.S. Roads project. I was not as involved in that conflict, but what's relevant is that even then, I was looking to build consensus on a controversial edit—and then go forward with the consensus that was established, per this talk comment.
How will I deal with it in the future? The same way, by focusing on the matter under discussion and not the editors involved. Admittedly, there will be editors whose only goal is to disrupt the encyclopedia, but I draw an analogy to officiating here: I don't throw players out of ball games; players throw themselves out by their misdeeds, and I just administer the results of their actions per the guidelines for the game (i.e. the sport's rules). I draw one other comparison to sports here: the more irate the coach gets, the calmer the official needs to be.
Optional question from —dgiesc
4. How would you handle an expired prod where you see the article was previously deleted by prod and the same editor created the articles both times?
A: Ideally, it would be a non-issue: the prod would have been detected as such earlier in the process, and the article should have been sent to AfD for discussion. Assuming the article isn't a candidate for speedy deletion (and G4, recreation, is not an option for an article deleted via prod), AfD is still the venue, since the deletion was opposed (recreation is an implicit, if after-the-fact, challenge of the prod). A courtesy talk message is in order to the original editor with the referral to AfD anyway; I would also ask why they let the article get deleted via prod and didn't contest the deletion sooner (since they may be new and not understand that they can delete prod tags). If they're the only contributor, db-author can short circuit the AfD process nicely, of course. In any case, discussion via AfD or talk page is a better approach than prod-delete-recreate-delete-recreate....

Optional question from Durova

5. What would you do as an administrator about ideological or profit motive attempts to manipulate Misplaced Pages? Bear in mind this statement from Brad Patrick as well as this news story, this conference summary, this press release, and these blogs. Durova 20:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
A. First and foremost, assume good faith. I mean, if edits are made to Microsoft's article that are NPOV and reliably sourced, I don't care if they're made by User:WGates, User:SJobs, or anybody in between. I can think of two autobiographical articles I've worked on: one by the spouse of a published author in the mainstream press, the other by a college professor who has earned multiple awards. In the former case, the editor was willing to work with us on the improvements to the article, and everybody was happy: he got an article about his wife, and we got a reliably-sourced article about a notable author. In the latter, the article was actually in very good shape, and I wouldn't have caught it as an autobiography except for the picture included on the page.
That said, I've also come across dozens of articles that are just links to a website, copyvio text from a web site or brochure, or shameless advertising: they aren't informing the reader about the company, they're selling the company's product. Those are the situations, plus any case where an editor claims ownership of the text and says it has to be "just so," where the edit warrants admin intervention. The article should get speedily deleted, the edit reverted, or other necessary changes made. When the user's contribution history shows they've contributed a glowing write-up of their company and added their company as an external link to every article in a three category radius, then it becomes very easy to say that the sum of their contributions indicates a tendancy toward manipulating Misplaced Pages and the user should warned or blocked for spamming. —C.Fred (talk) 22:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

General comments


Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/C.Fred before commenting.

Discussion

Support

  1. Strong support as nom. WjBscribe 02:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. -- Y not? 02:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support. Edits seem reasonable, sufficient participation in policy issues, looks like a good candidate. --Shirahadasha 03:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support. Well-reasoned participation in AfD, good answers to questions and experience. —dgiesc 04:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. A good candidate, most certainly. Daniel Bryant 05:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support. Experienced editor. utcursch | talk 05:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support Knows policy. the_undertow 06:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support Okay...I find myself agreeing! Jmlk17 07:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Support another candidate that looks good for the admin tools. (aeropagitica) 10:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. WJBscribe nomination = instasupport. – Steel 11:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support, why not. --Phoenix 17:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support good candidate --Infrangible 17:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support John254 18:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support no concerns here. Seems qualified for the job. —Anas 19:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 19:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support Good thoughtful answer to my question. I hope you'll drop by WP:COIN and WP:SSP and help when you have the tools. Durova 23:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support good user for adminship. Captain panda 03:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support Seems to be a good candidate and has many edits giving him experience on how it is to be a regular editor.VK35 17:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support Excellent editor; excellent nominator. Xoloz 17:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Rettetast 19:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support: Has plenty of experience and edit summary usage is also good. Should make a fine administrator.  Orfen  | Contribs 20:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support. Insightful answers - I'm impressed. -- MarcoTolo 04:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support per nom. PeaceNT 15:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 18:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support - As per Mailer Diablo. -- FayssalF - 18:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support per all of the above. Boricuaeddie 19:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Strong support I'm pleased to say that this is another case of a great candidate with a great nominator. Acalamari 23:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support as per FayssalF. -- Jreferee 16:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support - as per all..----Cometstyles 13:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    Support Appreciate thoughtful answers to questions. 75.23.155.218 02:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    Sorry but only logged in editors can express support in an RfA. If you have an account, please log in and confirm the support. WjBscribe 12:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support per Steel. – Riana 13:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support. Good answers to the Qs, by the way. -- Seed 2.0 19:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support per WJB. Sarah 08:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Dynaflow

(7/10/6); Ended 01:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Dynaflow (talk · contribs) - Ladies and Gentleman, I present to you for your consideration for promotion User:Dynaflow. This editor has, as you will discover, been editing under this name only since the beginning of March 2007; he has, however, amassed a significant amount of experience editing prior to this under an IP address. Since opening an account, he has amassed over three thousand edits, spread across mainspace and namespace. He has an excellent contribution record in wiki-space and wiki-talk, and has also shown competence in image and template work. I have interracted with him on several occasions, and have found him to have a thorough knowledge of wiki policy, together with a clear knowledge of how to apply it. He is a committed vandal-fighter, among other things, and when given the tools will be able significantly to assist in maintaining the integrity of the project, and indeed to enhance it. Anthony.bradbury 10:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
I accept the nomination for adminship and am flattered to be considered for the opportunity. --Dynaflow babble 01:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: Just starting out as an administrator, I would like to help with resolving cases brought to the Administrator noticeboards in concert with other administrators, from whom I can learn the finer points of sysopsmanship. I would also like to help clear the CSD backlog and watch TfD, AfD, and the COI noticeboard, where I have recently gained experience working as a regular editor. Further on, after I have become more practiced, I would like to work with and try to solve problems with abusive accounts at SSP and elsewhere. For now, though, I want to start slow and avoid making the rookie mistake of diving straight into the deep end.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: It goes without saying that one can only rarely be the best judge of his or her own work. Posterity is a far better judge, especially in such an ever-changing environment as Misplaced Pages. In light of that, my additions to the List of female bass guitarists that I made while I was an anonymous IP editor are as likely to be the contribution that's still "intact" five years down the road as anything else I've done.
However, there are certain contributions of which I am inordinately proud, so I'll substitute those for whatever may turn out to be the "best." In the realm of material contributions, I have been working on college articles lately, both in editing text and creating templates. Cooperating in a concerted effort with a couple other editors, and with the aid of a cast of dozens, I helped make the University of California, Santa Cruz article the first University-related article to achieve GA status (Talk:University of California, Santa Cruz) in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject California. A side project related to that effort, the "de-awkwardification" of UCSC's navigation template, led to two different series of navboxes which are now sported by articles on all the schools of the the University of California system, the California State University system, the Oregon University System, the University of Hawai'i system and (coming soon), the University of Alaska system (see User:Dynaflow/Crap-I-Made).
I am also proud of less-material help I have given to the Misplaced Pages project, both in generating goodwill between Misplaced Pages and potentially disgruntled users through diplomatic efforts, dispute mediation, and mentoring; and in helping plug holes in the intentionally-leaky dike that keeps the fertile polders of the Encyclopedia Anyone Can Edit from being innundated by the "contributions" of users who wish to test the limits of what, exactly, is meant by "anyone."
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I've gotten into one 3RR dispute since I've been here, and, more than anything else, it was more of a dumb misunderstanding with an absolutely uncommunicative editor amidst the chaos of trying to fend off the waves of vandals attacking pages related to the Virginia Tech massacre in the immediate aftermath of the shootings. I was blocked for a few hours, and then unblocked by Coelacan with the agreement that I refrain from going back to fighting vandalism on VT massacre-related pages until the block would have worn off. If you wish to read through the details of the case, they are still on my Talk page here. I learned quite a bit from that experience, and it's not a mineshaft I intend on falling through again.
I have also, of course, been accused of personal vendettas and other malfeasance by users who have seen articles they made or (especially) articles on bands they like taken by me to AfD or speedied, but that comes with the territory. This and this were particularly charming emotional responses in the face of which I remained calm, professional, and matter-of-fact, as is my pattern when dealing with any conflict situation. From just a day or two ago, this case from ANI, which I took the lead in handling, stemming from this fracas, was a situation I again dealt with in a spirit of utmost professionalism.
Occasionally I have had a user intentionally try to cause me stress, such random vandals I have warned who try to take a swipe back , only to be met with more stoic (if biting and somewhat entertaining) professionalism . I have also been the primary human point of contact (the latest, if you keep track of them as they go by) in SummerThunder's ongoing war against Misplaced Pages. While it is somewhat frustrating to have another user following your contributions to revert and/or add nonsense (with bonus taunting edit summaries) to whatever you've been editing recently, if you think of him as an annoying but harmless gnat in an exceedingly large kitchen, all his crap shifts into perspective and shows itself as the pathetic quixotism that it is. One disturbed jerk with a vendetta and a talent for changing his IP address will never be able to make even a dent in this great project. That is an attitude I intend to keep whe dealing with similar cases in the future. --Dynaflow babble 00:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I have taken a lot of flak for my answer to this question, in particular for what seems to have been interpreted as a dismissive attitude of my single, if temporally recent, Wikipdia 3RR incident. That I filed an AIV report in relation to it has also raised some hackles. I wish to repost the AIV report here in its entirety:
  • Che829 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Seems to be someone's sock puppet. Has been engaged in an edit war at Cho Seung-hui against the consensus on the naming convention for the article subject. Has not left edit summaries or responded to messages, so I don't think s/he's really in the revert-war I thought s/he was at first -- s/he just seems to be screwing with us and vandalizing the page. What do you suggest we do?
Some explanation of my respective levels of experience in Misplaced Pages's various realms of activity at that time is required to fully appreciate why I left this note where I left it. I have been editing Misplaced Pages articles on and off for over a year, but I only started to really "get into it" over the Winter Break period last December. When I finally got around to getting a username and "formalizing" my participation, I had yet to step behind the curtain that divides the major public areas of Misplaced Pages from the administrative and behind-the-scenes framework which makes this whole thing run, but which the average reader or dabbling editor will probably never even realize is there. I soon found and started participating in a couple of WikiProjects, and had made one major foray into reverting vandalism after running across WP:VAND by accident. As of the day of the VT massacre, when the 3RR incident occured, WP:AIV was the only place I knew of to get an administrator's attention and help, mainly as a result of finding it through WP:VAND. I was also unaware of the details of the 3RR Rule, merely thinking it was just another warning criterion on the templates at WP:UWT.
The day of the Virginia Tech massacre was the point at which my heavy Misplaced Pages participation really started in earnest. Having had the experience of doing the anti-vandalism patrolling once before, I thought it might be a good service to Misplaced Pages to help out at the articles related to the massacre, as they were sure to be beset by vandalism (they were, and then some). The Talk pages were particularly chaotic, and there were often several threads, with their own sets of editors, discussing the exact same problems. I believed, based on the thread I read on Seung-Hui Cho's name order (Korean-style or American style?) that the consensus was that his name should be used in the American style, so I said on the talk page that I would change it (many discussion participants seemed to be new users and could not edit the semi-protected article).
Immediately after changing the name, I noticed someone was changing it back to the Korean style, "Cho Seung-Hui." I attempted to contact the user and changed it back to how I thought the consensus would have it (in what turned out to be the majority opinion in a minority thread). The same user immediately reverted what I had done. I left a message on the article talk page asking what was going on . I left a 3RR warning on the user's page, again mainly because I wasn't fully aware of what 3RR was. It kept changing back. So I went to get an administrator to ask what to do. I found a 3RR noticeboard, but couldn't figure out exactly what to do there, so I went to AIV, mostly because the interface there was simple and my chances of screwing it up were less .
I expressed my confusion to Coelacan and, in my blundering "n00bness" in the world behind the curtain, continued to mistake the other editor's actions for trolling behavior. About half an hour later, I realized that the consensus I had seen on one thread amongst the dozens that had sprung up within the space of a day was really illusory. I immediately went about organizing a straw poll, including everyone who had expressed an opinion on how then-Cho Seung-Hui's name should be arranged on any thread related to the massacre so that we could get the issue settled once and for all. I contacted three dozen or so users thusly , and we got the matter sorted out.
The next day, I was contacted and told that I had violated 3RR in the incident and had to be blocked. I engaged in a long dialogue with Coelacan, the blocking admin, in which I essentially agreed to plead guilty and to stay away from VT-related articles for the rest of the day in exchange for the ability to do some work with templates elsewhere, which I had intended to do on the day of the massacre, but had been pushed aside by the news-driven chaos. The conversation is available for inspection on my Talk page. It was only in the aftermath of this block that I came to realize the full meaning of 3RR and was able to appreciate its simple, brutal necessity for Misplaced Pages community.
Since that incident, as I have been between projects (I do research and write), I have had a huge amount of time available to explore Misplaced Pages and participate all over the project. Even my favorite psychotic Misplaced Pages stalker, banned user SummerThunder, has commented on my zeal in participating in Misplaced Pages on his blog (see his 6 May entry here: ). I have put in possibly as many as 1500 to 2000 edits since the 3RR, in Article, Talk, Template, and Project space; and I have learned an incredible amount about Misplaced Pages. I have progressed from making moronic blunders like this to advising new Wikipedians why doing things like that is unwise .
I believe wholeheartedly in the ideal that, if one is willing to learn from his or her mistakes and sin no more, he or she should be forgiven and be allowed to proceed with a clean slate. We're all about second chances here. Hell, we even allow vandals to come back time and again in the hopes they'll "reform" and become productive editors. I don't believe this one mistake should be counted against me to the extent it currently is. It was an edit war, it turns out, but it was mainly a stupid mistake on my part, which I learned from and have no intention of ever repeating. I have, in fact, adopted more of a 1RR-and-discuss philosophy . I've said my piece, so let the darts fly as they will. If this continues to be problematic, I will voluntarily withdraw my nomination, with apologies to my nominator and those who have voiced support for my adminship. Thanks for reading. --Dynaflow babble 06:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Optional question from Ryan Postlethwaite

4. Could you elaborate on you IP edits, and if possible, disclose the IP address you were editing from? Ryan Postlethwaite 01:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
A: The last IP address I was editing from was 71.193.218.54. Before that, I was doing copy-editing on random articles now and then from a series of dorm-rooms' connections, and I wouldn't know where to start looking for those IP addresses. Most of my IP edits were copy-editing, adding to established lists, and other beginner-level (though important) tasks.

Optional question from Funpika

5. Do you feel your password is strong enough that it won't be easily compromised? Funpika 01:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
A: Though I of course won't reveal the details of why, my password is quite strong. It was last changed immediately after I read about the recent sysop account hijackings on ANI.

General comments


Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Dynaflow before commenting.

Discussion

Support

  1. Support as nominator--Anthony.bradbury 21:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support No significant controversy, seems to have learned from his short block, and hard worker. I'd trust him with a mop and bucket. Coren 01:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support - Time with an account? Not that impressive I've got to say (the IP relieves some of those concerns, but not all), however, I've been checking through your contribs (even before this went live) and I can see you have a firm understanding of policy and have thorough contributions through all namespaces, can you be trusted? Of course. Ryan Postlethwaite 02:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support - I'm willing to give a pass on a 3RR block at Seung-Hui Cho. In the aftermath of the Virginia Tech massacre, there was a lot of emotion involved. There was later unanimous agreement here that Dynaflow's name was correct. Unless there is something more, I am willing to overlook this single transgression. This particular crisis affected a lot of us, and I would bet that if someone looked closely at the history, they could find a lot of 3RR violations in there. The main massacre article was getting edited 15-20 times/minute at points even while s-protected - it was all rather chaotic. Does that excuse a 3RR violation? No, but knowing the circumstances, I consider it understandable. --BigDT 04:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Default support per Ryan Postlethwaite. —AldeBaer 23:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support - I believe this user won't abuse the tools, and I can easily overlook a 3RR block on a current event article - Jaranda got a block editing Super Bowl XL, when his versions turned out to be correct. Same thing, different users and articles. I can also overlook the time given his editing from an IP address. Will 01:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support Deserves a chance; being an admin should be no big thing.--Osidge 08:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose. I'm very unhappy with your answer to question 3. Looking at the relevant difs I think you either misrepresent what the block was about or have not understood it. You were revert warring, plain and simple. The issue wasn't vandalism to an article but a dispute over naming conventions. You reverted a number of editors to put forward your prefered view. I don't see how you can characterise what you reverted as vandalism. The unblock was not conditional on your not dealing with vandalism to the article, it was conditional on your not going back to reverting the name of the perpetrator to your prefered version. It was also made based on your agreeing that what you did was wrong and not to do it again (not because Coelacan's block was incorrect in the first place). The issue raises for me two problems. Either (1) you will makes mistakes as an admin as to what you characterise as vandalism or (2) you will make mistakes as to what a 3RR block is for - neither is acceptable. Frankly, I would oppose any candidate with such a recent valid 3RR block. WjBscribe 02:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
    That is a valid concern, and if you feel the need to take an absolute position on editors who have had 3RRs within a given amount of time, I will respect that. However, I did not characterize Coelacan's actions as incorrect. Far from it. As I said above, perhaps not clearly enough, it was a dumb misunderstanding on my part in a chaotic context. As detailed in the exchange between me and Coelacan linked above, as soon as I realized my mistake, I made extraordinary efforts to make things right. Indeed, the accidental revert war (and it was both a revert war and accidental) and my efforts to fix it led to the centralization of conversation on a contentious issue and moved things forward in such a way that that issue did not become a problem again. If anything, it proves that I am a human being who makes mistakes, but it also shows that I am freely willing to admit my errors, learn from them, and work hard to repair whatever damage may have been caused by them. Also, the temporal recentness of my mistake should bee seen in the light of the huge amount of editing and other work I've put into the project since then, without another problematic editing conflict. On the question of discerning vandalism, I don't think my ability to tell vandalism apart from constructive edits has ever been called into question outside of that one incident. --Dynaflow babble 03:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
    Oppose. I have to agree with WJBscribe here as regards your characterization of the block. I'm bothered by the rest of the answer to Q3 as well. It's fine to link to topics that show your actions in a case of conflict, but it would be much better to let others decide whether or not they show that you dealt with conflict "in a spirit of utmost professionalism". Even if vandals are on the prowl or other users are upset, I don't like the tone of calling your interaction with other users "stoic, biting, entertaining professionalism" - it seems quite condescending. Can you show me, instead, situations in which you admitted that you made bad choices? Something showing a spirit of compromise? Dekimasuよ! 03:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
    These are ones I thought of off the top of my head: , , , , , . I'll bring more to the table if you ask. I just have to look through more edit histories to find the relevant diffs. Again, I do make mistakes, but I'm always learning, and I'm always willing to admit it if I screw up. --Dynaflow babble 03:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
    Changed to neutral... more comments below. Dekimasuよ! 00:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Oppose Comments like this are unnecessary and perhaps even counterproductive. The ensuing talk regarding the same on their own talk page does not show the "utmost professionalism" that they claim they have. And the "squash the dumb bastard" statement on their talk page, albeit about a vandal, is inappropriate IMO. And I am not satisfied with the answers to the questions regarding the 3RR block. - TwoOars |06:04, 13 May 2007
    I have now addressed that particular edit in my addendum to Q 3. The "squash the dumb bastard" comment was made in a spirit of ironic overstatement on my own talk page with an editor with whom I had interacted before and who seems to have taken the comment in the humorous light in which I had written it. --Dynaflow babble 06:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    The 3RR violation is not such a big deal I guess as there were mitigating circumstances and you have agreed that you were wrong. But regarding that other comment: I get the impression that you are excesssively bothered by vandalism; I have seen you refer to someone (a wikilink to what is probably a sockpuppet account) as "this asshole" (can't find the diff at the moment). Vandals should not be handled with kid gloves but calling them names like that will put their backs up and make them come back for more. You may intend them to be humorous but when someone else reads them, they don't come out that way. (For example I might have sounded curt in my statement above although I didn't mean it that way). Any editor involved in vandal fighting has to take a lot of shit but its no big deal, you have to get on with it. The more you mention Summerthunder in your conversations, the more he would feel like bugging you (or at least thats the way my twisted mind would work if I were a vandal :). Just observe how admins like Coelacan, Riana, Alison, Walton, etc. are reacting to troublemakers and you'll learn a great deal. Other than this, I do not have any objections and I think you are doing a very good job. - TwoOars 08:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    The "asshole" comment was made in reference to the afore-mentioned SummerThunder long-term abuse case, who was (not for the first time) following my contributions list and attempting to systematically vandalize every one of my contributions that he could before someone discovered and blocked his latest sock puppet, while at the same time marking me and others as his sock puppets and sabotaging AIV reports. Specifically I asked, "What is this asshole's problem?" I was communicating with someone who was also being targetted by the banned user, and was simply making my feeings felt in an attempt to commiserate with another who was having similar frustrating experiences that showed no sign of letting up no matter what we did or didn't do. --Dynaflow babble 10:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Meh. You take the good with the bad, and don't let it get under your skin. This is probably just something you need to get adjusted to - there'll always be trolls, and you can't compromise your own dignity by letting them get to you. – Riana 05:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Oppose Dynaflow is generally an even-headed guy, but seems to react badly to vandalism. The examples cited by Twooars are not isolated. My deepest apologies, but I'll have to oppose at this time - I sense a rather trigger-happy admin. – Riana 14:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Oppose I don't have any particular issue with this user's relatively short amount of time spent here at Misplaced Pages, since my RfA itself passed even though I had only less than three months of experience. However, some of the issues brought up by other editors are a bit troublesome. As Coelacan pointed out, you submitted an AIV report that no admin would ever consider a blockable offense. Your response to Q3, especially the 3RR incident, looks problematic. The Seung-Hui Cho incident was an edit war, and saying it was a "dumb misunderstanding" seems to be underestimating the whole situation. I don't think anything involving AIV reports against users can be a "dumb misunderstanding". Anyway, it only happened a few weeks ago, and given that you've been here for such a short period of time, you should expect to be involved in many more equally troublesome situations in the future. As for the rest of your response to Q3, you need to choose your words better and not make them appear so negative. Also, I just want you to know that administrators will face more "accusations" and will be treated harshly by other editors who are upset over deletions/blocks/protections, etc. As Twooars pointed out, there's no point in provoking another editor with language that the other person may take negatively. Nishkid64 (talk) 17:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Oppose - per the point made by TwoOars. Real96 10:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Oppose due to recent block and example provided by TwoOars.  Orfen  | Contribs 20:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Oppose Per Riana.--U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. 02:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Oppose - also per Riana. --pIrish 03:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. I don't feel this user has enough experience to deal with the higher-level trolling recieved by administrators, when I analyse the diffs provided above. Per Riana. Daniel 05:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Oppose. I'm going to have to oppose per Riana. Sr13 17:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. I have to take issue with your characterization of the 3RR between you and User:Che829 as a "dumb misunderstanding". It was a revert war, and you thought Che829's edits constituted vandalism because the user was uncommunicative. But it certainly was not obvious vandalism, and I'm afraid you might be too quick to jump on ESL editors who shy from communication due to their poor English skills. Failure to use talk pages is not a blockable offense, yet you filed a report for essentially that. ··coelacan 09:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
    Remaining neutral after nominee's clarification. Doesn't help matters to call a harassing editor "psychotic". Start employing wikipedia:do not insult the vandals and wikipedia:deny recognition, instead of potentially inflaming those situations, and I might support another RFA in two or three months. ··coelacan 07:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    To clarify my use of that term, it was not intended as an insult. Based on the interactions I've had with that banned editor and on perusing his off-Misplaced Pages postings to cNet, Uncyclopedia, his blog, and elsewhere that have been found by me and various others, I actually do believe him to be disturbed. The combination of pushing the same issue over and over again, and the messianic zeal with which he's pushing it (I'm beginning to think he actually intends to "save" us) is not typical troll behavior. The additional stalking behavior against me, AuburnPilot, Grandmasterka, Khoikhoi, and others indicates that there is something else at work in the frequent puppeteer's mind, and that should be taken into consideration when dealing with him. I am fully conscious of the need to deny vandals recognition, but this is an atypical case, suggesting some kind of psychosis-driven separation from reality. Simply reporting and reverting in this case are leading with increasing frequency to things like this, which indicates to me that a new strategy that takes his state of mind into consideration might be called for. Psychosis is simply my model for how I think he sees his "efforts" qua us. Again, I'm not insulting so much as I'm trying to comprehend. --Dynaflow babble 08:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    I'm just saying it's not helpful. WP:DITV, WP:DENY, WP:RBI: these methods work. Commenting on someone's suspected mental state does not. As a corollary of Misplaced Pages is not therapy, it's also not psychoanalysis. ··coelacan 08:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Neutral. I'm having real problems making a decision here, as I don't know the candidate. I was all set to support (as per usual), but the opposers have brought up some worrying diffs, and due to the fact that Riana (who is usually one of the few voices of sanity at RfA) shares their concerns, I cannot support at this time. Although I'm all for a tough line against vandalism, the 3RR block shows a propensity for controversial editing which mildly concerns me. Walton 17:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Neutral The oppose concerns are too great for me to support, but not great enough for me to oppose. Captain panda 04:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Neutral — Evidently a dedicated contributor despite the relatively short time since registering (also an eloquent writer); however, the responses to the 3RR, the AIV report, and other examples noted above all raise concern. --Paul Erik 03:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Sorry, the 3RR block combined with a lack of experience means I have to go neutral in this RfA. GDonato (talk) 14:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Neutral, changed from oppose. I recognize that you are well-intentioned here, but I think a little mellowing would go a long way. Dekimasuよ! 00:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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BrendelSignature

Final (38/0/0); Ended Sat, 19 May 2007 18:19:24 (UTC)

I am pleased to present BrendelSignature (talk · contribs) for your consideration. BrendelSignature has been a Wikipedian since November 2005 and has made over 14,000 edits since joining up. Before adopting his current user name, he edited under the name Gerdbrendel. As far as I am aware, he has never been blocked or otherwise harshly scolded.

According to his user page, BrendelSignature has an impressive array of articles to his credit, including at least five good articles. He contributes to a wide range of articles, but focuses on subjects related to political science, sociology, economics, world affairs, and luxury automobiles (didn't see that one coming, did you?). His contributions demonstrate a high level of intelligence and education.

My interaction with BrendelSignature has been only positive. I witnessed BrendelSignature withstand, quite admirably, vicious attacks on his ethnicity at the AFD for the American (ethnic group) article. Despite the long-winded attacks, BrendelSingature continued to respond with calm, reason, and and intelligent explanation with reference to guidelines and policy. BrendelSignature has a substantial number of project space edits. He appears to have the grasp of policy an administrator needs.

Clearly, Brendel has demonstrated that he would not abuse the extra tools available to administrators and would, in fact, be an even greater asset to the community with the tools than he is already. · jersyko talk 00:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:

I accept the nomination. Signature 04:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


I believe in Misplaced Pages's mission. To provide a free, easy to navigate and use reference source available to nearly everyone. I have written several articles and have published my complete edit history on my user page. No, the statistics on my user page are not a case of "editcountities." They are there because I believe in transparency. If a user would like to see a summary of my contributions - to get an idea of what it is I do around here - he or she can simply visit my user page. As an administrator I will strive to preserve the integrity of Misplaced Pages through enforcing the civility guidelines and keeping an eye out for vandals who threaten our credibility as a resource.

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A:

The civility notice board. I have withstood and seen several personal attacks. From personal experience I have seen how long the backlog on the civility notice board can be. Misplaced Pages as an encyclopedia needs to protect its editors from uncivil remarks. It is essential for the health of this institution that uncivil behavior is dealt with quickly.

I also intent to keep the vandalism notice board on close watch. Vandalism poses a severe threat to the credibility of Misplaced Pages. As someone who has put extensive effort into writing credible articles, I have a strong interest in seeing Misplaced Pages's credibility as a reference source maintain and improved.

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A:

My best contributions are undoubtedly the articles I have written pertaining to socio-economics in the United States. I am most proud of my articles on Household income in the United States, Affluence in the United States, Average Joe, American middle class and other related articles. I have also re-written the economy section of the United States article which I check regularly for vandalism, OR and POV. My aim is to provide the public with information pertaining to areas of expertise. My articles, especially those that have been recognized as Good Articles, accomplish this mission- they educate and inform those who come here to seek knowledge. Furthermore, all information and all statements in these articles are referenced through college textbook, government data and authoritative periodical articles. Not only do these references ensure that the reader is provided with the best information possible, these articles also improve the credibility of Misplaced Pages. They show how well-researched and trustworthy Misplaced Pages articles can be. For the reason why I joined Misplaced Pages, please see the mission statement on my user page.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A:

Yes, I have had several experiences with users who have lost their temper or have been relentlessly trying to force a certain point of view on an article. Jersyko has mentioned a long conflict I was involved in with Eponyme. This user created an article entitled the "American people." Instead of discussing the diverse population of the United States, however, he had create an OR article that discussed those whom he consider to be "real Americans"- that is those descendent from colonial settlers. After explaining to him that his article was using the term "American" in an OR manner (applying it only to the Daughters of the Revolution), he quickly lost his temper, resorting to personal attacks and profane statements. I continued to reason with him, while starting an RfC and reporting him to the civility notice board. He was finally blocked for incivility.

3a. ...the second part of the question asks "and how will you deal with it in the future?" What if the other party is civil? Question submitted by VK35 21:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Let me answer that question in two segments.

First, if I were to once again encounter an uncivil and problematic user, I would react in a similar manner as before. I would attempt to explain Misplaced Pages policy in the clearest and calmest manner possible. If the user continues his or her problematic behavior I would consult other Wikipedians by the means of an RfC or a message on an active Wiki project. Once I am certain of the abusive nature the editor is exhibiting and that there is no reasoning with this individual I would (currently as non-admin) report him to the civility notice board.

Second, if the editor is civil I would assume that he or she shares the same interest in making Misplaced Pages a reliable source of information as I. First of all I would make sure that I am understanding the other editor correctly and am in the clear over the edits he or she intends to make. I would probably try and outline his or her position and then ask whether or not I am understanding them correctly. Then, I would outline my proposed edits and concerns-which usually results in me making a "compromise offer." In arguments with civil users I commonly single-out the text in question and attempt to revise it, so that the concerns of both parties are addressed. If no consensus is found, I would move on to starting an RfC-as I believe in the useful nature of third party commentary. I would look to the comments of other users to establish which revision would be best suited for the article containing the disputed statement. This scenario does of course assume that the other user is providing reputable sources and is no conducting any OR. If he or she is in violation of Misplaced Pages policy I would notify them of the policy and offer to consult other editors on the matter.

General comments


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Discussion

Support

  1. Support as nominator. · jersyko talk 19:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support Been here around for a long time, 5 GA's, knows policy well, won't abuse the tools. Why not, anyways? Evilclown93 19:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support Adminship is no big deal. TTalk to me 19:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support Having worked with this editor on a number of articles I consider that he has sound judgement and ample common sense, all combined with a firm grasp of policy. I have no doubt that he will prove to be an excellent admin. --Xdamr 19:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support Great contributor, responsible and always helpful. -- zzuuzz 20:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Support: Excellent amount of experience, and editor seems responisble and trustworthy. I would like to see a little better edit summary usage, but I can't see anything else wrong other than that.  Orfen  | Contribs 20:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Support Just set your edit summaries to be forced in your user preferences and that should remove that obstacle in future. I see no problems with your contributions and I don't believe that the project would be harmed by you being granted the admin tools. (aeropagitica) 20:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
    I have adjusted my preferences, thank you! Signature 20:49, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support Yeah, seems like it would be a nice fit. Jmlk17 21:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Strong Support As far as I can tell, he will and even better help to Misplaced Pages given admin tools. He uses edit summaries conistently (except for when he started, but hey. We all did that.) He has made significant contributions to United States socioeconomic articles, which were sorely needed. Neranei 21:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support I dig admins with editing experience. the_undertow 22:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support This user meets my standards. --Random 22:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support I don't see anything wrong with this user. Nishkid64 (talk) 23:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. -- Y not? 15:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support - Concerns in the neutral section are not serious enough to merit an oppose. Adminship is no big deal. Walton 15:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support rock on --Infrangible 17:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support John254 18:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 19:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support. Probably would have co-nominated the BS-man (haha - I just made that up!) if I knew how to do so. Really appreciate his contributions to automobile related articles. These sometimes become a hotbed of conflict, especially when new models and concept cars come out and get kicked around; and also when well-intentioned editors go around snapping horribly-composed images of assorted cars they found in a local parking lot and just had to replace well established images, or litter the articles with more. Need another admin or two in there keeping an eye on things, to try to clarify the rules of engagement and encourage consensus. --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 21:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support seems to be a reasonable and pragmatic guy on article talk pages, which is a fine trait in prospective admins, and no problems pointed out so far in this RFA. See no reason not to support. --W.marsh 00:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support good person that I think will be a good admin. Captain panda 04:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support qualified for adminship, good article work, nice activity, no concerns. —Anas 13:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Rettetast 19:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. It doesn't appear that the canadate will abuse the tools.--U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. 02:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support - a pretty good choice I reckon..----Cometstyles 05:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Support - will be ok. cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 10:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. PeaceNT 11:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. Support Seems like a good editor. I like the answers the standard Qs, feel the concerns raised in the neutral section were addressed and haven't seen anything of concern while looking through the (extensive) contribution history. --Seed 2.0 16:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support from Neutral I am satisfied that Brendel doesn't make it a habit to use stats as a bat. The extent of your work, both in quantity and quality is impressive. JodyB talk 18:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 18:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support A fine user, from what I can see here. Acalamari 23:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support Have seen good work from this user, and trust them with the tools. --Aude (talk) 14:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. support per all aboveOo7565 22:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Support - excellent user, no problems to suggest misuse of tools. James086 00:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support appears that he won't push the red button in haste. (For red button, see Nuclear warfare). VK35 16:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support. I actually thought you were an admin already. Am I confusing you with User:Interiot? Active, civil, knowledgeable. Seems like a safe RfA. --DeLarge 20:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Support, yeah. -- Phoenix2 20:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. Why not?-—arf! 06:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. Support Has done and will do well. GDonato (talk) 15:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Oppose (hoping to change to support) I placed a question (3a) which was never answered even after I sent a reminder to BrendelSignature several days ago. I hope his lack of response is not arrogance or a sign that he will be abusive and dictatorial as an administrator.VK35 19:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
"Abusive" and "dictatorial" seem like rather harsh comments to make in regard to not answering an optional question, no? (e.g., see Ragesoss's somewhat recent RFA) Perhaps he didn't notice the question until you notified him given that it's somewhat difficult to see. That said, I do hope he answers, even though I don't think we should really hold it against him too much if he does not. · jersyko talk 20:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I have answered the questions-I was simply busy with other tasks. I thought I had a little time to answer the optional follow up question and wasn't aware that my answer was needed so urgently (otherwise I would have reacted in a more prompt fashion). I'm sorry for the 48 hour delay. BTW: I didn't see the question until you notified me. Regards, Signature 21:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I thought it was odd that there was initially no response even though Mr. Signature had editing activity.VK35 16:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

#Neutral. I am impressed with the volume of work and the quality of the work. But I am a bit troubled by this exchange from your talk page which suggests a unilateral view of some tasks ]. In this second exchange ], the editor came at you sharply but falling back on the number of edits troubles me. If these can be addressed I would certainly be inclined to support. JodyB talk 20:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, let me address your concerns: In the first instance I was following WP:Bold-I then agreed to have my changes reverted and the religion parameter continues to be part of the infobox. I was trying to be bold, but was then involved in a clam dicussion. In the second instance I tried to clam the discussion by "falling back on my edits." I was trying to say: "Look I am an experienced editor as well, no need to be so harsh." I simply wanted to let him know that we could discuss the topic professionaly without treating each other like children. I hope that addresses your concerns. Regards, Signature 20:32, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral Obviously someone who has done a lot of good work on Misplaced Pages. And I feel bad about not supporting. But I'm concerned with things like that comment about edit count. That doesn't look at all to me like an attempt to diffuse a situation, it looks like an ethos-based argument, and that's not the sort of argument I want to see from sysops. Further, the high edit count seems to be primarily from a reluctance to use the "show preview" button. Looking through your edit summary I see a lot of things like this -- Over 20 edits to the same article in a short time period. Or this -- over one hundred edits to a page in a row. And the whole edit summary is like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.225.124 (talkcontribs)

Well, I do use the "Show preview" button quite a bit when I write a new article (see the first couple of edits to my GA articles-there is quite a bit of text in few edits). But in discussions (such as the link you have provided above) I edit as I think-I re-word my arguments to be better and more efficient as I ponder the issue-over two days that may work out to 100 edits. As for the reference I made to my editing experience it was not meant the way it came out ;-) I simply wanted to state that the other user didn't need to treat me as harshly as he did. I simply wanted to say "Look we can discuss this professionally... because I am an experienced editor as well" -From your comments I now see how I came across in that particular instance- what a faux-pas! ;-) Signature 01:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, IP's can't vote in an RFA, but are extremely encouraged to participate in the discussion section. Also, about the hundred edit comment. It was to a talk page. Brendel was simply commenting and comparing/showing ways to improve the article. That's actually highly encouraged for users interested in adminship, because it shows good communicating skills. Those skills are important because administrators have to interact on a daily basis with others. Evilclown93 13:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
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LessHeard vanU

Final (44/16/3); Ended Sat, 19 May 2007 08:58:34 (UTC)

LessHeard vanU (talk · contribs) - I have been editing on Misplaced Pages since March 2006, initially as an enthusiast and limited (although eclectic) range of subject editor. When it quickly became apparent that my knowledge and sources had been exhausted (or were bettered by other contributors) I realised that I particularly enjoyed the process part of editing, and found myself gravitating toward the administration, policies and debate pages of Misplaced Pages.

While remaining a watch on my initial areas of article interest (Siouxsie & the Banshees, Autogyros, the Beatles, Autism, Mick Ronson, Penwith, Steven Severin and several other arcane subjects) I realised that my forte was not in the creation of article text, but in the management of articles. Much of my subsequent work in article space has consisted of typo and grammar correction, some copy editing, and tidying up wikilinks and the like. As I grew more accustomed to this role I became more active on the talk pages, making suggestions on improving the accompanying article and adding opinion into ongoing debate. At the beginning I took the stance of a new editor in a discussion, explaining how the casual reader might understand or interpret an article or section. This inevitably lead to a more experienced editor referring me to the various policies and guidelines to which Misplaced Pages conforms (I had, of course, already dutifully read the Welcome message and linked to the various help pages and then started blithely editing everything that interested me, like most). When I linked to the various pages I noted that these too had talkpages, and I was not slow to start contributing there. The exposure to these pages, and the ideas and concepts which shaped them, allowed me a fuller appreciation of the basis of policy and guidelines which in turn allowed me to better contribute in article and talkpage space. My discovery of the "Random feature" facility has also allowed me to spread my knowledge, and skills, into some dusty and obscure areas of the encyclopedia.

I am now a fairly experienced contributor, confident in my debating skills, people management and diplomacy, secure in my style, polite and firm where necessary, knowledgeable in respect of the Misplaced Pages ethos, as well as the policies. I interact well with other contributors and, while familiar with the various avenues of resolving disputes, I have only once needed to do more than discuss matters with various parties before reaching agreement (even if it is that we differ). I am seeking to expand my contributions in the management of the process and administration of Misplaced Pages, and feel that the extra facilities offered by Adminship will better enable me to achieve those aims.

I have (and continue to) enjoyed the Misplaced Pages experience, and wish to give something back. I can offer level-headedness, diligence, quite a bit of life experience, a suspect sense of humour, and most of all a dedication to the principles of Misplaced Pages; the encyclopedia anyone can edit. I therefore request to be granted the position of Admin. Thank you. LessHeard vanU 23:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: I have no intentions as regard what kind of administrative tasks I may do. I do intend to carry on editing articles I find via the "Random feature" facility, where the extra abilities will likely prove useful, and I believe I should perhaps do a little less talking and a little more doing in Project space. I realise that people would like to see a commitment to XfD and the like, and I would likely become active in AfD, FAC/R and the like since I work best with prose. I would tend to leave the more technical aspects (Categories, Templates, etc.) to those with the appropriate knowledge, although I would always be willing to supply opinion if asked. I'm also willing to be recruited into one or more of the more neglected areas of Misplaced Pages, since I am a bit of a champion of the obscure and unloved. I really do work best in the background, using judgment, application, persuasion and common sense to create a better Misplaced Pages. IMO, admin tools are a means to an end and not a big deal of themselves.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: My best contributions are likely to be on some talkpage on a stub article somewhere, or on a user talkpage. A comment or two that, hopefully, provided someone with a new way of looking at a subject, or encouraged them in their work. As regards shiny articles that got to FA or GA with the help of my efforts... I was going to suggest St. Buryan, but a quick review indicates only one day of (intensive) SPelling And Grammar editing. It subsequently got to GA, although on the major contributions of others. I contributed more frequently to Autogyro which is unlikely to ever be more than a B-class article owing to the paucity of material available. With that article I did contact the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (the international body governing world records in aviation) regarding some autogyro speed records we had quoted in the article, pointing out they were obviously wrong. I got a very polite and pointless response advising the manner of publishing such information, so I waited until some newer (and more believable) speed records were published and replaced them. When looking at my contrib history the real contributions are likely to be in the talkpages rather than the article space; it is the way I work best.
I would note that I was an editor of The Beatles Newsletter (various) for most of the issues, and sole editor on a couple. I went out, found the stories, copied them out, reviewed the Project spaces for content, included it, created the editorial, pleaded with other editors to contribute, and presented the finished article for distribution. I am quite immoderately pleased with my efforts in that respect.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I have never had any lasting conflict as regards editing articles. I have removed vandalism on sight, using the edit summary to give my reasons. People have sometimes disagreed with my actions in respect of other edits, but either I deferred to their reversions (if well explained and good faith) or discussed it. As I cannot recall any sustained incivility then I believe both that there was not that much that occurred and that what little that did has not left any mark on me. I have, however, had some contentious issues regarding policy on a WikiProject. Ultimately, as the other editor(s) were not prepared to abide either by my interpretation of policy or more specifically how it was arrived at, and I was adamant that the policy, the consensus that created it and its implementation were correct, I (and others) withdrew from the Project.
The above is the only example of stress, and my response to it, that I can recall. While the role of admin is more onerous than of editor, and more likely to create conflict I have no qualms about my ability to deal with any stress that may arise. My usual response to any situation is to talk about the matter. I can, and do, get angry from time to time but my usual method is to be more polite (to the point of iciness) in my replies. Once or twice I have taken time out in an argument, but have always returned to civilly press my point. I do not, however, believe in achieving consensus by exhaustion so have had occasion to either withdraw from the discussion or to concede the point. Those few times that I have been uncivil (rude, once or twice) I have been quick to apologise to the individuals talkpage.

General comments


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Discussion

Support

  1. Support per question 1. Doesn't have to show a need (and in any case, he does...) Looks like a good candidate. Majorly (hot!) 01:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Default support. —AldeBaer 01:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
    With regard to several oppose (!)votes, I'd like to add that opposing because of differing opinions on certain policy matters should be out of the question. At the very least, politically motivated comments are not best practice, as they bear no evidence on the candidate's suitability for adminship. —AldeBaer 10:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    On the contrary, it is perfectly appropriate to oppose a candidate over an opinion on policy matters. I have known Mindspillage oppose someone for not accepting WP:IAR, and I have known Jkelly and others oppose candidates for wanting a more liberal policy on image copyright. People could well oppose candidates who think that people should be allowed to have FU images in userspace, or that editors should be blocked for removing unwanted messages from their talk pages, or that editors should be allowed to revert an article six times a day, or whatever. Apart from the harm caused by stalkers, the greatest harm caused to victims on Misplaced Pages has come from administrators who lack sensitivity. Musical Linguist 20:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    I totally agree: The greatest harm caused to victims on Misplaced Pages has come from administrators who lack sensitivity. —AldeBaer 20:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    Notwithstanding that I disagree quite profoundly with Musical with respect to the underlying policy question (whilst it may well be true that the greatest harm caused to victims on Misplaced Pages has come from administrators who lack sensitivity, it is not at all clear that such harm has had any grad deleterious effect on the project itself; I, for one, think loss of existing and prospective editors and admins over off-wiki harassment (that may be faciliated on-wiki) to be de minimis) and that, as I've often said elsewhere, I believe most strongly that RfA ought more-or-less to be a vote in which only the (!)votes with wholly capricious justifications (too many vowels in username, e.g.) ought to be disregarded, I can't say that I understand why one would oppose a candidate solely or principally in view of the candidate's policy arguments (as against on his interpretations or applications of policy). If a candidate recognizes adminship as a ministerial pursuit in which one acts not to substitute his judgment for that of the community but serves only to divine for what action a consensus of the community exists and then to implement that consensus, his views about what policy ought actually to be seem largely irrelevant, except, I suppose, to the extent that they speak ill of his judgment . But, yes, Less is right; this is probably a discussion better had at the quasi-morass that is WT:RFA. Joe 23:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    (Er... This is all very interesting, but isn't this page supposed to be about me? ;~) LessHeard vanU 21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC))
  3. Support, I see no cause for concern or indication he'd abuse the tools. Seraphimblade 02:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support I've had good experiences with this user and see no reason why he shouldn't be an admin. Dina 03:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Support I actually like the answer to question one. It's honest- the user will use the bit as editing seems fit. If a backlog should need attention and the user is interested, the opportunity will be there to help out. In my RfA I stated my intention to help out on WP:RM and WP:MERGE, but I quickly found that that was not the best use of my skills after I was sysopped. Every little hand helps every other little hand, and the user is experienced, knowledgeable and can be trusted. No problems here. Well written self-nomination as well. Best of luck. Teke 04:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Don't canvass or anything, but that's an excellent self-nom and, checking the contributions, I'm seeing nothing evil, but instead plenty of good, high-quality work and fine, very level-headed interaction with others. Adminship is not a big deal, there doesn't appear to be a good reason as to why not, and if this guy wants the tools, he can have them. In all probability, he's not insane. Moreschi 08:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. edit-conflict Support A Wikignome admin is not a bad thing and you have potential to contribute to many areas of the project too. Finding problem articles via the 'random article' link is also something that I do, but there are better ways to search out those that require improvement or deletion - new pages/recent changes for a start. (aeropagitica) 08:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Support. This editor seems mature and level headed. His contributions are consistent over time and he appears to have the interest of the 'pedia at heart. I am confident that when he does use the tools they will be used appropriately. JodyB talk 12:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. I have worked with this user extensively on WP:BEATLES and he makes me laugh, consistently. Always quick with a friendly quip or a bit of banter, he isn't just about that, though, he knows why we are here and he buckles down and gets shedfuls of work done. I think he's a damnfool for wanting to be an admin so he can spend more time mopping and less time writing quality articles but I think he'll be a fine one and I support. Oh, and if we have to, I expect Kingboyk and I can flange up an 'endorsement' from the "The Beatles" project for Less... but don't get me started on the/The project controversy just at the moment, hm? ++Lar: t/c 12:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Gosh, an endorsement by any one of Ron, Dirk, Stig or Barry Wom would be fantastic! (I'd by grateful if you wouldn't mention this to Leggy; bit of history there, doncha know?) Er... the Who? LessHeard vanU 18:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Support Misplaced Pages edits are low, but Misplaced Pages talk edits are high. I will support. Captain panda 13:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Support Incidental usage of tools is still usage of tools... as in, no one has to do only administrative tasks. If LessHeard vanU deletes even one article a day, it'll be one less for everyone else. Plus, we wouldn't want to cut into his fantastic article writing :) Sensible bloke, can be trusted with the tools. Don't need anything else. – Riana 15:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. Support per Riana; she said exactly what I was thinking. Walton 17:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  13. Support sound editor. I'm sure he'll find helpful ways to use the tools. Pascal.Tesson 17:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Support Being an admin is no big deal. TTalk to me 17:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Support No concerns with this user at this time. -- Nick 18:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Support per Malevious. - CHAIRBOY () 19:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  17. Support Good editor, can be trusted with the tools. --kingboyk 19:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  18. Support Good editor, enough experience. Very (too?) communicative. :) Liked answer to Q1. - TwoOars 20:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  19. Support per question 1. I don't think that a person needs to demonstrate a specific need for the sysop tools, I trust that they will do an excellent job as a sysop. Neranei 21:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  20. Support I believe the communication skills of this editor will be an asset with regards to administrative tasks.--Xnuala (talk) 15:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  21. Support when you were nominated for this RFA, God smiled --Infrangible 17:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  22. Support based on experience of user, SqueakBox 19:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  23. Support--Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 19:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  24. Support Will be a fair admin. fair as in acting fairly, not fair as in ok :) daveh4h 05:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  25. Rettetast 19:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  26. Support I like admins that are primarily contributors, after all ,that's what we're doing here.cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 10:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  27. PeaceNT 11:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  28. Support an excellent self-nomination. No issues here. Acalamari 23:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  29. Support See no reason to oppose. Frise 03:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  30. Support No reason will not make good admin. Davewild 20:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  31. Support. Seems like a good editor who will make a good admin. Bucketsofg 19:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  32. Support An excellent candidate.--Runcorn 21:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  33. Support A good candidate. --A. B. 22:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    Support Appears to be a strong candidate who is respectful in presenting his opinions. 75.23.155.218 02:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    Sorry, only registered and logged-in users may comment in this section. —AldeBaer 08:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  34. Support, overall an excellent candidate. I do respect the concerns raised by Musical Linguist below, but I think it is simply a disagreement over approach to policy matters. --Spike Wilbury 03:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  35. Support Seems like a very intelligent and level-headed contributor who is unlikely to abuse the tools. I share Spike Wilbury's sentiments regarding the concerns raised by Musical Linguist. Kla'quot 05:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  36. Support MichaelLinnear 06:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  37. I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 11:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  38. Support. I see no reason not to give this user the tools.--Wizardman 15:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  39. Support. I like the calm, sensitive, and reasoned responses to the criticisms listed below. Cla68 22:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  40. Firm support inasmuch as the candidate seems possessed of the reasoned judgment, deliberative disposition, and principally civil demeanor the presence of which in a prospective admin is quite auspicious, such that it seems quite likely that the net effect on the project of the candidate's being sysopped should be positive. I am altogether unconcerned by the issues raised by MusicalLinguist and FNMF, and I think the candidate well to apprehend for what constructions of WP:NPA/WP:CIVIL and WP:BLP a consensus exists. Joe 23:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  41. Support per much of the above; I'm not convinced by the opposes. Trebor 00:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  42. Support, good editor. Everyking 01:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  43. Support - the issues brought up by the oppose voters are valid, but not as important that they should affect the prospect of this capable user becoming an admin. I realize that emotions run strong on this issue, but opposing, in a process like this, a person with some vague connotation to discussing privacy violations is not going to help anyone, let alone Misplaced Pages. I doubt it has. Gracenotes § 03:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  44. The issues brought up below are serious, and that LessHeard's position on this issue is unacceptable. However, I believe that LessHeard is capable of understanding that Misplaced Pages policy and community opinion mandate an approach different from that which he recommends. (To put it another way, I don't believe that his opinion on this issue would be detectable from his administrative log, which is good enough to award sysop status.) Christopher Parham (talk) 03:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose per answer to Q1. Doesn't show a need for the tools. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
    I also have to add this to my reason for oppose. Not all English speaking editors live in countries like the USA. There are some editors in countries where if their identity was discovered their lives would be in danger. The safety of a minority group shouldn't be over looked simply because they are a minority group in the community. I was considering changing my oppose to neutral but after reading that I cannot support an editor who believes the safety of a group of people isn't important enough to add into policy. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 04:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    Quite a silly oppose - we're not promoting admins on some sort of quota system here, there's no reason not to promote any knowledgeable and trustworthy editor, an extra pair of hands to call on is something nobody should be turning down. -- Nick 18:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
    I agree strongly with what Nick has said above me. Walton 18:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Oppose. As a victim of very severe real-life stalking, which resulted from a Wikipedian discovering my personal details, and which extended to my family (wrecking my mother's health) and my work colleagues, I consider that solidarity, concern, and sensitivity are among the most essential qualities in administrators, since they have the power to delete or undelete harassment, to block or unblock stalkers, and to protect or unprotect pages which are targetted by stalkers. Having read the comments of this candidate, where he doesn't seem to take the danger and distress of victims very seriously, or to think that their personal security should trump the freedom of contributors who may want to post links to stalking sites (or perhaps the freedom of contributors who may wish to visit these sites without having links removed), I would not be happy trusting this user with extra tools. I am not posting a "strong oppose", as I do not think this candidate thinks it's a good thing to investigate private lives of Wikipedians and to publish the results. But I certainly do not see that he is likely to show any kindness or support for people who are being so badly violated, and an admin with his attitude is worse than a user with his attitude. Musical Linguist 12:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    I'm sorry that my comments regarding linking to sites that contain attack pages have been interpreted as a lack of concern for the victims of stalking and/or trolling. I do have sympathy for all people who have had personal details used against them, as I have been trolled elsewhere regarding my sons autism and my likely genetic contribution to his condition. I recognise that other people can be more sensitive to trolling than I, and actual stalking is an entirely different matter. I agree that personal attacks are completely unacceptable and that there should be no linking to attack pages, and I remove these whenever I find them, but I also believe that there is always a possibility that a site that also hosts attack pages may be linked to in exceptional circumstances. I do so as I am concerned that Misplaced Pages is able to use the best resources available, where appropriate.
    However, you are perfectly correct in bringing this to the attention of this RfA. Perhaps I still need to make efforts to ensure people realise that my decisions and arguments are for what I believe to be the best for the majority, but that I appreciate the concerns of everyone when considering those decisions. LessHeard vanU 12:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    You "remove these whenever find them"? Can you provide evidence of that? Feel free to send a few diffs by private e-mail, if giving evidence would bring further publicity on personal details of users. Frankly, after the comments you made, I would be quite surprised to see evidence that you removed such links. As one who was badly stalked by a sexual pervert who created a website devoted to his sexual fantasies about me, with all my personal details and information (some accurate, some inaccurate) about my workplace, my superior, my former violin teacher, students, my parents, my father's students, even what was then the address and phone number of my parents, and then posted links to it all over Misplaced Pages, and recalling how my mother became so terrified that she wouldn't answer the phone in her own house, I'm quite unimpressed with any Wikipedian who thinks that the security of such victims shouldn't interfere with the freedom of users, with regard to linking to stalking websites. Musical Linguist 20:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    It isn't much, but this is the most recent of likely few reverts of a personal attack I have ] that I could find in my contrib history. I haven't previously tagged any specifically as PA, just as vandalism reverts or similar. In fact, I was getting quite anxious that I wouldn't locate any at all. I am quite prepared to suggest that I should have said "would remove these whenever I found them...", but I maintain that I have zero tolerance to personal attacks and would not permit the linking to attack pages (and would block those who do). You and I disagree on whether there is likely to be any benefit in linking to sites which which contains or hosts such pages. I can respect your view, and sympathise with the reasons for it, while holding a different opinion. I think we are together in solidarity in wanting what is best for WP, but differ in how it is best achieved.LessHeard vanU 00:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    Comment The links that User:Musical Linguist refers to show no gross policy violations, they are simply examples of the differing opinion that Musical Linguist and LessHeard vanU have regarding a particular policy. I personally don't interpret those links or any of his comments as insensitive towards users. However, it is her right to oppose based on a difference in policy opinion, as it is every other users right, and I respect that. Nevertheless, people debating a particular policy do so in good faith, and I believe that LessHeard vanU's opinion is based on what he thinks is best for Misplaced Pages. daveh4h 00:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    It does not matter that there is "no gross policy violation". Personally, I'd be much more tolerant of breaches of some of our less inspiring policies than I am of the opinions expressed in the diffs given. Grace Note 05:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    You are entitled to oppose on any criteria you desire, such as amount of user boxes, user page design, or, as in some cases here, a differing opinion. Others are free to determine how sound your criteria is. daveh4h 05:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Oppose per Musical Linguist. SlimVirgin 05:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  4. Oppose per Musical Linguist. Personal attacks are unacceptable, and that includes promoting them. Linking to an attack site is promoting the attack and is tantamount to attacking. Yes, anyone can google some keywords and find just about anything that's posted online, so the issue is not how many clicks are needed to reach the attack material or the attack site. For me the issue is simple: by providing a link we are promoting the attack. There is no need to provide any link to such site, as it can be emailed when necessary for investigation to ArbCom etc. It boils down to attitude towards the victim: if you really care about the victim's feelings, you minimize the attacks. Any link on Misplaced Pages (whether 'hot' or 'cold') to an attack site, is one more attack from the victim's perspective. Crum375 13:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    (response to both of the above)While I agree that we differ on whether sites which contain attack pages should ever be linked to, I am uncertain to which point you are addressing regarding unsuitability for adminship. Is it a lack of sensitivity when dealing with some, many or all editors, or in respect of my views, or lack of confidence that I would be able to use the extra tools in an unbiased manner should I be granted them. I would be grateful if this could be made clear, with supporting diffs, so I might comment. LessHeard vanU 19:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    My own concern is lack of judgment and sensitivity to attack victims. You don't seem to realize that to an attack victim, every single attack counts. That includes each time such an attack, or attack site, is linked to or promoted from within Misplaced Pages, and hurts even more when a fellow wikipedian does it. Not realizing that this causes harassment and pain, and not realizing that any useful information (e.g. needed for ArbCom purposes) can be quietly sent via email to the parties that require it on a 'need to know' basis, demonstrates a lack of judgment and sensitivity, which are crucial attributes for an admin, in my opinion. Crum375 13:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  5. Oppose I have doubts that this user is sufficiently sensitive to certain policy matters, especially WP:BLP. This opinion derives from user's arguments attempting to justify inclusion of unsubstantiated malicious allegations in the Richard Gere entry. FNMF 16:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    I recognise that an RfA is not an appropriate forum in which to discuss matters outside of adminship and the suitability of the candidate I would like to correct a couple of inaccurate inferences (doubtless good faith errors) by FNMF; I have not edited the Richard Gere article, but took part in debate at the talkpage (and other venues) regarding application of policy in respect of the article, and, it is not an "unsubstantiated malicious allegations" that The TimesTimes editorial carried an advert paid for by Gere which was intended to rebut 'unsubstantiated malicious allegations' about his sexuality. It is this last point, which I have argued establishes notability, which instead has been my position on the matter, as exampled bydiff 1&diff 2. I would also draw peoples attention todiff 3 where I subsequently withdrew from the discussion in an attempt to help close the debate, despite continuing to believe in my understanding of the matter. I feel that this instead shows a willingness to promote the interests of Misplaced Pages over that of my own.
    I fail to understand the substance of the above 3 oppose votes. Is it that I have opinions, that I have opinions that are dissimilar to the opposers, or that I am prepared to debate them as vigorously as WP:Good faith and WP:Civil permits? As this will not change whether I am granted access to the mop or not I cannot see how it is germane (although I realise that this is not my decision). If it is a matter of style then I am also aware that being an admin will inevitably mean contact with persons with differing views and will have to deal with far more uncivil situations than discussions of the forming and/or interpretation of policy, and a strong show of character may be required. If there are any examples that can be given that show I have acted improperly or outside of the rules of Misplaced Pages I would be interested to see them. LessHeard vanU 21:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    There were no "inaccuracies" in my explanation. I didn't say that you edited the Gere entry, and I continue to believe that your arguments amounted to an attempt to include unsubstantiated malicious allegations. Your argument in that debate that "no consensus" meant the material should be included showed, in my opinion, a deficient and insensitive understanding of WP:BLP, which is a policy I rank very highly. An admin who insists on this kind of lenient interpretation of WP:BLP concerns me. FNMF 22:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    Thank you for clarifying the substance your point. LessHeard vanU 22:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  6. Oppose per Musical Linguist. Jayjg 23:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  7. Oppose per Musical Linguist. Just so we're clear, the lack of sensitivity and solidarity are my grounds for opposition, not any particular concern that you'd misuse the tools. I also do not like the tone you've taken in your responses here. You do not have to have broken any "rules" to be opposed; you need only have done things that make us feel you are not entirely to be trusted. Grace Note 05:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  8. Same -- Y not? 22:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  9. Oppose per Musical Linguist. Prodego 02:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  10. Musical Linguist's concerns are of the type that I can't overlook. Daniel 03:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  11. Oppose. I am concerned by Musical Linguists comments and not persuaded by the response to them. WjBscribe 04:04, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  12. I'm a bit concerned about the fellow's demeanour when responding to some of the opposition, specifically his tone which leads me to believe he's more concerned with process than doing the right thing gaillimh 04:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC
  13. Musical Linguist's point is quite sound, and I can't support at this time. Sorry. Ral315 » 05:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  14. Oppose per Musical Linguist. Sarah 07:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  15. Oppose With regret as Musical Linguist says it all. The guy is a good editor and obviously committed to Misplaced Pages but admin powers require the ability to put aside ones own POV. In some situations there is no balance to be found as only one side is fully aware of the consequences so their views must be paramount. Sophia 07:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  16. Oppose - I'm really sorry, but I'll have to oppose for now. Forgetting about Music's oppose above for now, judging from your user page, you have only written 3 articles (I could be wrong...)? You also have far less than the ideal amount of Misplaced Pages Namespace edits to your name. These things added with Music's oppose have forced me to oppose as well. I'm sorry, but I'm sure if improve on the things that others have said above, you'll make adminship next time easily (if you fail this one of course!) :) Cheers, Spawn Man 07:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

  1. Neutral: While you have the experience and your edit summary usage is also nice I am not quite sure if I am happy with the answer to Q1. Sounds like you just want the tools to have them.  Orfen  | Contribs 02:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I'd like to take the opportunity here to more fully explain my answer to Q1. First, I believe that adminship allows editors access to tools that, originally, they were to have had when WP was created. It could not have been intended that all tools were to be used at every available opportunity, but as circumstances demanded. However, the potential of damage by misuse of the tools meant that there needed to be a restriction of access. Once an editor has demonstrated a level of trustworthiness then access may be allowed. It doesn't follow that the newly sysopped editor must use all of the buttons. It is as much on that criteria I have made my request for adminship.
    • Notwithstanding the above, it would be perverse to have the kit and not use any of it. Once the tools are available it would be then the time to see how best the individual editor should use them. Also, IMO, it behoves a new administrator to repay the trust shown in granting access to the buttons by exercising some of the new powers in an appropriate manner, and in areas where such tools are needed. Rather than being lead by the availability of the mop I feel it would make more sense to be available to help where required. That is what I intend to do, should I be granted the buttons then I will be free to help in any area that needs a newbie admin.
    • Finally, do I want the dubious status of Admin, and all that that entails? Oh, very yes! LessHeard vanU 09:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
    Comment: I appreciate your comments and while I do think you are trustworthy, it is nice to see what a candidates intend to do with the tools. You bring up some good points and I can respect your views and opinions, however, I do not feel quite comfortable supporting if someone isn't quite sure what they want to use the tools for.  Orfen  | Contribs 18:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
    I understand some people prefer applicants who are task specific; It makes quantifying what to look for in a prospective admin a good deal easier, for a start. My glib answer would be "to make me and Misplaced Pages better", but the truth is I haven't got the tools so I cannot say how best I would be able to use them. Using them to the best is obviously the prime purpose in my applying here, but I would prefer to investigate the potential before committing myself to any particular area. Please be assured that I would start using the mop as soon as it is available, but incrementally and over a spectrum of tasks until I find what best suits me and the role.
    BTW, I wasn't specifically responding to your neutral but generally. I could have written the above in the answer to Q1, or in the General comments, but I do recognise my tendency to comment exhaustively. However, I appreciate your comments (echoed below) are obviously valid and I am grateful for your further responses. It is a viewpoint that I will take on board whatever the outcome. LessHeard vanU 19:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. Neutral Your experience is very good however I am not convinced by your answer to question 1 that you actually have a need for admin tools and do not intend to use them that often - Good luck to you! The Sunshine Man 13:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Neutral I have no doubt we have a very good editor here - and that is precisely what Misplaced Pages needs. However, given the answer to Q1, I think the editor should just concentrate on editing given there is no real commitment to any specific use of the tools. Do we really need more admins for the sake of having more admins? Duke of Whitstable 15:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
    I would disagree with that. Haven't you ever come across a user who is vandalizing a page and has already been warned? If your an editor, you would have to report them to AIV and wait, however if you have sysop tools you could do it immediately. Even if this user blocks one person a year, that's one less vandal. TTalk to me 18:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
    Likewise. Although I do help out with backlogs now and then (IFD today, as it happens) the tools are immensely useful to me as I go about my daily wiki business: the ability to delete and restore pages during a move, the ability to edit protected templates like {{WPBiography}}, or the ability to block persistent vandals who show up on my watchlist (The Beatles, an article LessVan presumably has watchlisted, attracts a terrible amount of vandalism). I'm sure LessVan would benefit from having them for similar reasons, and that would help the encyclopedia; if he has the time and inclination to help out with backlogs once he has the tools, even better. Most newbie admins head to WP:AIV by the way, LessVan. --kingboyk 19:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
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