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Sorry

I should be more respectful. You're an adult right? I'm really sorry. (Wikimachine 15:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC))

No, no, maybe I wasn't clear. I left a note thanking you, you've overall been great. Sometimes emotions run a little high, I get it, but overall everything has been more or less calm. --Cheers, Komdori 15:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

In anyways, I'd really hate to offend you in any smallest way. You're always so careful in what you say & conclude any heated discussion with --Cheers. I wouldn't be able to do that. The benchpress thingy, somebody else added that. No, I can't bench press anything. Thank you so much for understanding. (Wikimachine 15:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC))

Thank you for your kind words. About the signature, I realized that with just my name alone sometimes made me sound more "gruff" than I meant. My only fear is that it will come across as sarcastic, but so far I don't think it has, and I like the look of it. --Cheers, Komdori 17:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I left a reply at the Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets/LactoseTI. I hope you don't find it to be laziness. --Cheers, (Wikimachine 21:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC))

It's not lazy, thanks for the kind words again. If nothing else, this discussion I think has raised both of our respect for each other. --Cheers, Komdori 14:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Kristina Albania

Hi I don't know if I can write here, but I replied to your note, in my talk page, and I don't know if you get a notice about it. KristinaAlbania 16:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I have read and replied to what you wrote. --Cheers, Komdori 21:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

re:Socks/One-timers

Thanks. I don't speak or read Korean, but from what I gather, our little debate here has gotten some attention, apparently. Is there an English translation available? I'd like to read it. Parsecboy 01:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

And now we get the "pre-aged" accounts. Somebody was getting ready for this eventuality. Parsecboy 01:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I plan on reporting Davidpdx‎, sometime soon, as he has blatantly used socks, as I uncovered on the talk page. The rest, I'm not sure about, as they could be anyone. I don't think there's enough evidence for a check user for the rest of them by themselves, but we could attach them to the Davidpdx‎ case, and see what we get. Parsecboy 02:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Just to reply to the above comments by Parsecboy, he has left some nasty messages on my talk page accusing me of sockpuppetry,which isn't true. I've reported him to an admin for harrassment. I've been using Misplaced Pages for over two years and NEVER had a sockpuppet. I'm not sure why he went psycho on me, but my advice is to stay out of it. Davidpdx 13:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Moved my comment to your talk page Parsecboy. Good friend100 02:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

To Komdori

Hi, Komodori. My name's Juhyeon Song ( or 'Jay' as i pass by) and you probably guessed my heritage by the mere tone of my name. Well, I am a South Korean immigrant generation 1.5., a term commonly referred to those who immigrate in early to late teenage years to a foreign country. In this case, it’d be my immigration to U.S. in January 15th, 2003. It seems so long ago, although I’ve been here for only 4 years. Perhaps the cause of this faint remembrance can be attributed to drastic cultural shock and assimilation (Americanization) I’ve gone through. I’m sorry to bore you with my personal history, but I know you’ll cope with me just a bit more through this dull introduction, for in the end you’ll easily perceive my intention. Also, please excuse my four-year English, which I am insolently proud of, yet lack in almost all aspects of grammatical work.

Ever since I’ve left South Korea for the life of this ‘promised land’, I’ve always felt gratitude for my parents who boldly abandoned their high wage jobs for my education. I’ve come to love this nation so much since then; it was an idealistic country that embraced all kinds from all over the world regardless of issues and conflicts. Sure there are numerous malice to be talked about for centuries, yet nonetheless this was the country, the United States of America. Perhaps it was the inherent complex of having weak mother country. When American infantry division troops ran over two Korean girls with a tank few years back, I was very upset. Yet I couldn’t help my self bedazzled by the power which America had. The power to pardon those (pardon my language, for as much as I try to restrain myself it is quite impossible to salvage my soul in this matter) arrogant bastards just demonstrated the power of the strongest nation in the world. Maybe I was yearning for such mother country; I wouldn’t be able to deny it. However that doesn’t mean I’ve been totally americanized, although I remain politically active within American politics, severed ties with other Koreans due to unfitting milieu, and think chauvinistically for U.S.A. without so much thought. I still miss South Korea, or just plainly put, Hankuk. Back then it used to be just that. Hankuk. But it all changed ever since I left my mother country. I came to perceive the global formation in aloof distance. Korea is merely pushed around big countries. I do not like South Korea, I will not like South Korea. That was the unspoken chant I was droning on for last two years. But I finally got it. As much as I hate the situation South Korea is in, the filthy hypocrites who only seek for money to wipe their own ass, and damning truth of continuance of current state, I can not hate Korea. I can not hate Korea when my own friends jokingly make fun of Koreans. I can not hate Koreans when some red neck comedian cracks a racially degrading remark such as eating dogs. I just can not. Can you understand that? For all these years, how I died to have my relatively pale skin emulate to the texture of white man. For all those Americanization and arrogance induction. For all….everything I’ve finally acquired now. I can not. This is a tie that will not, can not be severed. It’s not some iron chain tethered either. It’s something…ethereal. Call me crazy, but it’s just impossible to do so. I get angry and rave about every time somebody makes a joke about Asians. It doesn’t matter whether it’s Chinese, Indian, or even Japanese. I’m always there before thinking (which I normally never act so) and already berating and glaring. I’ve got into numerous arguments concerning those topics just this year. Rare visit to the local Korean church ( because I feel comfortable going to white church with my friends, I normally don’t go to Korean church) does not help either. It actually encourages me on. Half the kids in the so called youth group lack the perception of reality, They are lost on the way, with no hopes but to pursue their moment of hedonistic pleasures even at the expense of public image and furthermore, the racial dignity.

You probably figured it out by now. Yes, I’ve read couple of articles’ comments you’ve posted. And it was quite disturbing how you sided (forgive me, but I am just a sophomore in high school in process of mindset-developing, as much as I identify myself Libertarian.) against fellow Korean. Again, I’m sorry if I am assuming from faulty data. But in my possibly biased/inherent chauvinistic qualities, I can not accept it. As much as pathetic Korean government is, and Korean people in general, you just can’t forsake them. It isn’t in your reach to decide it. All we can do is make the best out of it. The sex slaves, who are now euphemistically termed as ‘comfort women’ we can not forget. The taste of Japanese sergeant’s boot’s dirt we will not forget. The agony and pain our own grand parents and great grandparents have suffered will not be condoned. We will not forget. I will not forget.

I don’t mean to say that you should stop posting pro-japanese/ anti Korean materials. I don’t mean to launch anti-japanese campaigns or anything. I don’t mean to start planning out anything.

I just want to live in peace. I do not wish to see any more of this. I do not wish to see my fellow brothers and sisters quarrel against their own. It may seem ironic that I, Americanized beyond return-immigrant, am saying that, but that’s how it is. I feel pain. I am weeping. I am pathetically crying. I pray. I pray more. Then I give up. I look. See more. Weep again. Try to forget it all. Try to be an AMERICAN.

But what the hell am I, then?

What the hell am I suppose to do?

All I know is that I just can’t take it anymore. I just can’t. I’m going to slit my wrist if these things just recur again and again. I know Korea and Korean people seems hopeless. No, are hopeless.

But please, please, please, I beg you. If there still lies trickle of affiliation. Just a small drop of benevolence. Please think of those poor souls of hypocrites.

Please. Otherwise there's no hope to live.

--Idiosyncraticjay 03:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on your immigration and your English (it's quite good). I don't hate South Korea, either, and many of the issues you mentioned are clearly important, though not so directly to the article at hand (Liancourt Rocks). At Misplaced Pages we strive for both neutrality and, in the case of naming, common usage. As much as you or I might like to blindly side with Korea on an issue, it's not in our best interest to do so. Doing so weakens our position, reputation as being reliable, and our ability to be recognized as neutral. I'm aware of the fact that it might seem "common sense" to you that it should be under a Korean name, but that's reflecting your point of view. By the tone of your post I cant tell you are very emotionally invested in these issues, but I'm not quite sure what exactly you would like me to do. I appreciate that it must have taken a significant amount of time to write that amount of an entry on my talk page, and I did read through it all. Let me know if there's something I can do. --Cheers, Komdori 04:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Does that mean, under the relatively justified perception amid modern society, that neutral stance between controversial issues is the right way? I am not an expert, nor am I a bit intellectual mister. But there's one thing I know. And that's the second hand accounts of the oppression that had been engraved within the bones of my grandparents. As much as I try to refrain my self from, as you put it, 'blindly side with Korea' , it is quite upsetting to choose this third party, out of the blue name of Liancourt. But that's just my opinion. However these 'adopting a neutral position methods' shouldn't be the archetype of all controversial issues. If you mean to place the outlook of matter before the content, then I'd be greatly upset. No matter how Western World looks at it, nor Japanese government looks at it, the damage is still there and it had planted deep roots of certain, possibly biased culture among denizens. So, tell me. By adopting these neutral stances are we going to be able to solve the problem, clarify the mistake within situation, and hopefully get along together? I apologize if this may offend you, but that seems much like escapist' route, afraid more of public sentiment of 'global' views of Western focal point rather than that of arbiter's. Are we to please others before clarifying the whole situation? Just like it happened/happening with so called 'Comfort women' (euphemistically put) and American tank running over two Korean girls? Yes, it's wise not to start up a whole global conflict with Korea against every other nation in the world. That'd be pretty stupid and unwise, posing as provincial bigot. But, but, but. that doesn't mean people should follow the majority opinion. I for one, can not accept Liamcourt Rocks in fear of 'public sentiment'. However rich and famous the constituents of that public may be. So tell me. Would this be a hopelessly biased stance of confounded immigrant kid, or would it be somewhat decent opinion? --Idiosyncraticjay 18:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I know Dokdo/Takeshima is important to you. It isn't important to most of the world. They will never encounter one name or another alone, they would encounter either the pair or the neutral term Liancourt Rocks used by the UN and US government alike as the official name for this place. Finding a good name for the encyclopedia article for the majority of English speakers has nothing to do with comfort women or girls being run over by tanks. We have to make sure not to allow such things affect our decisions here. There is Korean wikipedia available. There, the name can be the recognized one in Korea, just like in Japanese wikipedia the name is the Japanese recognized name. It's not my policy, it's the first foundational principle of wikipedia in general. I'm not quite sure what you are asking of me--do you expect me to act irrationally, in the face of all policies and conventions simply because of nationality? Is that the way to gain respect, by not following rules and childishly sticking to what I want to see regardless of whatever policies are in place? --Cheers, Komdori 19:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Yet I still fail to see where the line of 'childish sticking to an idea'solely based on the fact that it's chauvinistic' lies. If I do not at least try to over do things and take account in Pro-Korean way, soon there comes ridiculous Japanese-Imperialist or White supremacist who deems the acceptance of global opinions as 'submission' and starts speculating wildest idiocy. How do you deal with these? So far, I've figured out to just hold back and endure. But just as I was enraged upon reading particularly disturbing aspects of some comment, I sometimes blow up. I guess when tension runs high and dillema seems interminable, then such thing is bound to be of disvantage. In this case, dokdo. Have a nice Memorial Weekend. --76.204.151.194 19:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Trust me, in the English speaking world you are not going to encounter too many people using Liancourt Rocks for their White supremacist or Japanese-Imperialist gains. They simply don't know about this place. If they do, they'd have heard about it with either both names, like: Dokdo/Takeshima or with its English name Liancourt Rocks. The name here needs to reflect that. Perhaps you think it's too bad that the world doesn't recognize Korea's claim to the islands. But perhaps you are glad it doesn't formally recognize Japan's either. Using either name here (Takeshima or Dokdo) winds up going against naming policy and therefore really can't be considered. If you have any other questions/comments let me know. Enjoy your holiday, too (I actually will probably need to work, oh well). --Cheers, Komdori 20:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. --76.204.151.194 23:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Just a side note: South Korea used to be hopeless couple of centuries ago, but now, Korea is not hopeless at all... South Korean are happy and hopeful compared to other countries in the world, but like many other developed countries in the world, South Korea has a high quality of life, so many Koreans don't realize how fortunate we are now.

Many people (Koreans) take a painful history in the past as if it is happening now. Yes, China, Soviets, USA tossed us around a bit, but they can't now. USA indeed have a quite bit of power over South Korea now, like Japan... but Korean valuable culture, language, freedom, and identities are kept. Because of the some American Influences, it became easier for Koreans to compete in the world. Even North Koreans and South Koreans used to fight in the past, now are shaking hands and preparing for the unification! How can't this be hopeless? Kingj123 06:37, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Things about Dokdo:

• There is a difference between loyalty and POV.
  
• there is a difference between truth and POV.
  

Kingj123 06:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Japanese users have nothing to say beyond international laws, but is that everything about Dokdo? Is it ethical?

• Is that a moral perspective to justify the honest ownership of Dokdo?
• Is UN's way the only right way, to judge the the ownership and sovereignity of Dokdo islets.
• Is it right to just focus on international law for Dokdo Article?
• And neutrally speaking, which country would gain free benifit?
• Any proof of UN's immediate response to Korean sovereignity, any effort from UN to stop SK patrols?

Liancourt Rocks

Hello Komdori. I have reviewed my closure and decided to overturn and move to Liancourt Rocks. Thank you for your input. Best regards, Húsönd 16:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

I'm glad someone else thinks this situation is a serious abuse of Misplaced Pages. Thank you for your report. I attempted to back you up. The fact that the so-called 'Korean side' should resort to such ridiculous and damaging behaviour is indeed unfortunate and doesn't help anyone. Mumun 無文 21:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Accusations

Yes, I do mean you because of your involvement with Parceboy. It's clear you two are working together to harrass users. If you don't like that accusation, tough. Davidpdx 00:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

It isn't quite a strange concidence you happened to find my complaint. Your motives are questionable as are the actions of several others. It stinks of high heaven. You can stand there and claim you know nothing, but it's clear you and Parceboy are full of crap.

As to the suggestion that I should be civil, why don't you step back a minute. You weren't the one that was labled a sockpuppet. Tried, convicted and hung in the same day. You guys go what you wanted I guess. Davidpdx 00:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Response on your talk page. --Cheers, Komdori 00:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Whatever, you and Parceboy have done what you set out to do. Your a disgrace to Misplaced Pages. Davidpdx 01:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

And what would that be? Unmask you as a puppetteer? --Cheers, Komdori 01:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I have restored the discussion on the talk page and removed the sockpuppet warning. I am going to file harrassment charges against you for the crap your pulling. You are continuing to further a lie by covering it up and you will pay for it. Davidpdx 02:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Do not make threats. Putting valid tags on your user page to aid investigation is not harassment. --Cheers, Komdori 02:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I was just surprised how those for Liancourt Rocks demoted votes for Dokdo in a so mean and sarcastic way. You even demoted me with what, less than 50 edits otuside of Dokdo? Does that mean I'm not established editor and cannot be counted? How come you even tried to exclude my vote? Did you check my other edits not relating Japan/Korea issues? It's so ridiculous to see the way you along with LactoseIT argues with Húsönd, demoting vote for Dokdo.

Listen man. Whatever you said, there was no consensus and it was your faulty one-sided argument that overturned the decision. You branded many valid editors sock puppets or not established ones. You'll know it better. Shame on you. Ginnre 04:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Response on your talkpage. --Cheers, Komdori 09:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I simply see this as no good faith, especially towards Davidpdx. I think you should apologize to him. Good friend100 22:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

3RR report

You cited one diff in which Melonbarmonster makes the new (presumably new) edit, and then one in which he reverts to it. If indeed he made the new edit earlier, and then reverted to it twice, it is your job to explain this and provide the second old version as necessary, not mine to go hunt it down. Seraphimblade 04:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

That's tenuous at best. It looks like everyone involved there would benefit more from mediation or other forms of dispute resolution than blocks being placed. Seraphimblade 05:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)