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Not an insinuation at all,. actually...

Having seen The Sunshine Man's answers, I actually think it's pretty unequivocal that he had no idea what he was talking about. Wouldn't it be far better for a user who wants to be an admin to learn policy on their own through example and reading things like XfDs, policies, and guidelines instead of guessing, getting a yes/no, and then getting a correct answer they can then regurgitate on an RFA so they can "prove" they know what it means to be an admin? You may see it as a tool; I see it a crutch and an excuse not to become more conversant with policy on one's own. MSJapan 12:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

You will see a link to my admin coachee page here - User:Ryan_Postlethwaite/Admin_coaching/Cremepuff222/Tasks, what I do is let him create his own thoughts and idea's, but guide him to important area's that he should know as an administrator. He writes a different essay each week, on a core issue such as WP:N or WP:BLP - I don't tell him what to write, I just tell him the area to do the essay on. Wouldn't you agree that this may help a user look at depth into key area's of wikipedia without me holding his hand? You go back to TSM having no idea what he is talking about, I disagree, he knows how this place works - he has just been a little misguided in a few area's - that's where an admin coach can help pick up on mistakes ealier than a full blown RfA would, it simply prepares users for adminship better. Some users can pick it up themselves, others need guidance, but with that guidance, they can still make excellent admins in the long run. Ryan Postlethwaite 12:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I did go over the page you linked to quite carefully, and as a considered response, I would say I'm still mixed on the value of coaching, and here's why (bearing in mind I'm using "coachee" in general terms, but based on what I've seen thus far for TSM and Cremepuff): for the AfD listings, when there were ten votes before the coachee's vote, I honestly was unable to tell whether or not it was original reasoning or parroting of earlier votes. Original reasoning was clearer when the coachee's vote was second or third, so clearly there could be some improvement to the AfD coaching process to guarantee actual thought about policies, leading to a better indication of understanding. I mean, if 10 people say OR, and then I say OR, a third party only has my word to decide whether I thought of that on my own, or just followed the crowd.

I see a similar problem with the policy essays - you're saying "write about this policy", and the majority of the essays are simply a summary of that policy. I don't know about you, but I certainly haven't memorized WP:N, so is the coachee simply synthesizing and summarizing, especially when there are applicability missteps or omissions in the "original thought"-type sections, or does the coachee really understand the policy? I think a better way to go about this is to really put some infrastructure into this, and have some testbed AfDs to see what coachees do with a practical application of policy without a cushion of other voters.

My concern is that it does not seem possible at the moment, using this particular process, to ascertain whether the coachee is retaining (which is the ideal goal) or regurgitating (which is what it seems like from the limited examples). Obviously, we want admins who know (or can find) policies, and can apply them properly, not just admins who know the answers to the general questions that may come up on an RfA. I suppose the principle of coaching is sound, but I think the fundamental questions that I see show that there's still room for improvement in practice. MSJapan 14:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

RFA nom

Thanks and I accept, will I note the acceptance on the RfA page now or wait until nearer the time it goes live? GDonato (talk) 18:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Fill out your answers, then just before you transclude it, accept it - Best of luck! Ryan Postlethwaite 18:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. GDonato (talk) 18:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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Maybe I really did want to support the user because he'll go on a deletion spree...o.0

Hehe, thanks for catching the mistake. :) Nishkid64 (talk) 18:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

It gave me a little chuckle! Ryan Postlethwaite 18:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

User:VanTucky

Hi,

There is a case of incivility which I hope you can help out with. I've never reported incivility before, so I'm not sure of the process. But here is the diff.

This user has been extremely combative and rude since he hit the Controversy in parapsychology page and talk page, and the Parapsychology talk page.

Thanks! Martin _{(Talk Ψ Contribs)} 19:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

User warned for incivility. You can give a warning yourself, but it's often better to let a neutral party take a look - I looked, didn't like so I warned. Ryan Postlethwaite 19:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I already warned him several times, just not on his talk page. Thanks for your help! (: Martin _{(Talk Ψ Contribs)} 19:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Copt and User:Kemet59

Hi,

I noticed that you created the category for this report so I guess you are looking into it? I'm not one of the regular editors of Copt, but I put it on my watchlist a couple of weeks ago when there was some trouble that got reported on WP:AN/I. Looked like pretty obvious sockpuppetry to me to I figured it would be better for me to report it as an uninvolved observer. These things get so messy when one of the regular editors reports it. Do you think I need to request a checkuser? IPSOS (talk) 21:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

There's no need to request a CheckUser just yet - it seems obvious at the minute that the accounts are the same - so we can just keep on blocking. If it gets any more serious, let me know, because we could try and request an IP check to block the underlying IP's. I'm not actually involved in the case - I just blocked one of the users and saw the suspected sock puppet tag being added later. Ryan Postlethwaite 21:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I will just continue to keep an eye on it, then. IPSOS (talk) 21:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

As I said, if you need any advice if it get's any worse, I'm more than happy to give a neutral view :-) Ryan Postlethwaite 21:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Redoing the insult

Now User:VanTucky has made his uncivil behavior against me only, by crossing out the incivility originally leveled at both myself and Nealparr.

To me, this looks like repeating the insult, since he could have done nothing or crossed out the incivility. What's your suggestion? Martin _{(Talk Ψ Contribs)} 23:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I can see your point, but there's not much we can really do about it - he struck out his original comments about an editor but not yours, it's not adding any extra incivility - just simply not removing his original comments about you. I think the best thing to do would just remain civil yourself - he's been warned - and if there's any further comments, he will be blocked (but I hope there will be nothing further). Ryan Postlethwaite 00:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, he probably won't do any more. He could be a good editor, he's certainly got a lot of energy. Martin _{(Talk Ψ Contribs)} 04:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

my suggestion is "Get over it, it's an internet site" 91.84.51.91 00:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment

Perhaps you should spend less of your time being an online Nazi and do some work. Some of us actually have to support your less-than-keen attitude to work. We actually pay for it. So stop dicking around on wikipedia and do your college work. 91.84.51.91 00:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Calm down sir, I didn't remove your post from Talk:Gordon Brown last time - we had our little disucssion with your other IP address and I left it at that - no need for the personal attacks. Ryan Postlethwaite 00:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

No, "someone" removed it. I stick by my comment that if I'm paying tax money for your education, you need to do some more time studying. Love S 91.84.51.91 00:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Someone did, not me! I spend enough time studying thank you! ;-) Ryan Postlethwaite 00:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope so mate, cause it looks like you spend a lot of time looking at Misplaced Pages. If you think it's ever going to take the place of a proper Encyclopaedia you're much mistaken, and our money is best spent elsewhere. It's nothing personal by the way, I just think you're a bit of a Floridan sycophant who should be spending their time elsewhere. Love S 91.84.51.91 00:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh and if you want to know why I called you a Nazi, it's cause you removed my comment on a Discussion page. I don't edit or vandalise proper pages, I just try to stimulate discussion. And when I see it removed, I just think of fascists. Love Steve 91.84.51.91 00:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

PPS hope your house is still dry :)

I spend my free time editing this amazing encyclopedia :-) The reason why I removed your comment was because the talk page of an article is for discussing the article - not for discussing the man and his merits - that's what a forum is for. Thanks for the concern about my house, it's dryish, but I've had my window open so my rooms all wet :-S Ah well, I guess I'll survive. Ryan Postlethwaite 00:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm not a fascist, I'm pretty much down to earth - if you create an account and get to know me, you'll probably see I'm a bit of a laugh (See the rest of this talk page). Ryan Postlethwaite 00:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks RobslethCop!

Nice to see you policing my neighborhood. Cheers! NikoSilver 09:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

RFA thanks

User:Trumpetband

Ryan, I'm sorry. I indefblocked User:Trumpetband as a proven sock of User:Bfissa. For a hint of why, check and compare their latest userpages (esp. Bfissa's deleted one). Basically identical. However, it was checkuser proven. I'm sorry, as I know Trumpetband was adopted by you :( By the way, they were my impostor from last week, too, and there was another one in waiting, also blocked. Not the nicest thing to deal with before going on break - Alison ☺ 08:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

C'est la vie...... Ryan Postlethwaite 19:01, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm Better

Hey, I'm Back.

Ty (Bananaman1137) told me you were harassing himAccusing him of being me, but that's not possible because I'm Me And He's Him and he's not me and I'm not him unless you got drunk again ant then you'd be juhfghfhjfhgf and stuff.

—Remember, the Edit will be with you, always. (Sethdoe92) 18:19, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

E-mail

Hi Ryan. I see you haven't been online recently. Just letting you know you have e-mail. --(Review Me) R Contribs_@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 20:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA. It was successful, and I am now, may God have mercy on us all, an administrator. Look at all the new buttons! I had heard about 'protect,' 'block user,' and 'delete,' but no one told me about 'kill,' 'eject,' and 'purée.' I appreciate the trust the community has in me, and I'll try hard not to delete the main page or block Jimbo. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Abusive language

Hey Ryan, See Talk:Catahoula Leopard Dog#Photos returned to see content. He seems to have a God-like complex and when asked questions resorts to abusive language. VanTucky has been warned previously. Thanks and good luck in your final year in pharmacology. --Chuck Noles1984 21:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

My recent RfB

Thank you so much for your participation in my recent RfB. Though it closed with 72% support (below the required 90%), I'm still quite pleased at the outpouring of support shown by a fair percentage of the community.

I'm currently tabulating and calculating all opposing and neutral arguments to help me better address the community's concerns about my abilities as a bureaucrat. If you'd like, you can follow my progress (and/or provide additional suggestions) at User:EVula/admin/RfB notes. Thanks again! EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

My RFA

Hi Ryan, just a quick note to say thanks for participating my request for adminship. It was successful and I now have some shiny new buttons. If I can ever be of help, please let me know. Happy editing, mattbr 09:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:RFA/ACL 2

Hello Ryan, thanks for the strong support in my RfA. The final tally was 104/1/1. I hope I can still rely on help from you if and when I need it. Acalamari 21:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

My RFA

Thanks for your support on my RFA. It failed this time, but I'll be working on suggestions from those who voted and will give it another try a few months down the road. Hiberniantears 14:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

My shoulder

Just wanted to point you towards my clarification on Magnus' user page. I've always been a fan of yours; I intended no hard feelings by that comment, which I probably should have reworded. Jouster  (whisper) 17:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

There's certainly no hard feelings at my end - I just wanted to make sure that you knew I wasn't trying to have a bitch at you - I can see both points of view to be honest, and I hope you come to some agreement (I won't be participating in further discussion as I don't have a clue about coding!!). All the best, Ryan Postlethwaite 17:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Ha

I'm going to have to give myself a mini mop for cleaning up after you admins ;-) ~ Wikihermit 18:12, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, I saw that - thanks for sorting out, I guess I've obviously just worked to hard today! Ryan Postlethwaite 18:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)