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Ultimately, the content of Misplaced Pages is determined by making progress toward a community consensus. However, the size of Misplaced Pages prevents community members from actively following every development. As a result, sometimes it's useful to request broader opinions from the rest of the community.

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This page is a way that anyone can request other Wikipedians to help them resolve difficulties and disputes in articles or talk pages. Anyone may visit any of these articles, to help them reach agreement. A good quality RFC can help contributors resolve differences, add different insights, give comments and opinions how others might see some wording, and so on. When listing a dispute here, you should also place a notice on the appropriate talk page.

It will help the RFC process if everyone who lists something on this page tries to help out at least one other page listed here.

Overview

When to use RFC

  • RFC is appropriate when you want other wikipedians to visit the page, to allow a consensus or a better quality of decision, to help resolve a dispute or break a deadlock.
  • If you simply want peer review of an article, then list it at Misplaced Pages:Peer review.
  • If the dispute involves allegations that a user has engaged in serious violations of Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, create a subpage for the dispute. Use the subpage to elaborate on the allegations.

How to use RFC

  • To request other users to comment on an issue, add a link to the Talk page for the article, a brief neutral statement of the issue, and the date.
  • Don't sign it, don't list the details, and don't submit arguments or assign blame.
  • On the Talk page of the article, it can help to summarize the dispute.

General hints for resolving disputes

  • Whatever the nature of the dispute, the first resort should always be to discuss the problem with the other user. Try to resolve the dispute on your own first.
  • For disputes over user conduct, before requesting community comment, at least two people should have contacted the user on their talk page, or the talk pages involved in the dispute, and failed to resolve the problem.
  • Don't forget to follow Wikiquette. Wikiquette is more important in resolving a dispute, not less.

Closing RFCs

  • A RFC should be closed when a stable consensus has been reached; as a rule of thumb, if there are no serious objections for a full week
  • A RFC should be delisted from here (and listed in the archive section) when closed.
  • A RFC on a person should be speedily delisted if it is not endorsed by two separate people within 48 hours.
  • If you believe an RFC serves no further point or will only repeat itself, please add in a 'motion to close' and wait a couple of days to see if people agree. If sufficient people do, the RFC should be closed.

Another option: Wikiquette alerts

For a mild-to-moderate conflict, you might try Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette alerts. Wikiquette alerts are an option for a quick, streamlined way to get an outside view. The goal is to nip potential problems in the bud.

Article title disputes

Most recent entries at the top -- do not sign entries

There is now an overall vote taking place here, ending June 1.
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Article content disputes

Please only list links to talk pages where two or more participants cannot reach consensus and are thus stalling progress on the article. Discussions with no new comments in over two weeks old may have dried up, in which case please talk to the people involved to determine whether the problem was resolved.

Items listed on this page may be removed if you fail to try basic methods of dispute resolution.

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  • Time Cube / Talk:Time Cube - An anonymous user has been inserting material that may be original research and discussion with him on the subject is extremely hard to follow.
  • Bereans / Talk:Bereans - revert war over religious topic: issues of NPOV, source citation, original research, etc.
  • Talk:Aesthetic Realism - Should the article state that its founder committed suicide, or use a euphemism? Is Aesthetic Realism known for its artistic reflections, or its claim to "change" people from homosexuality?
  • AIDS/Talk:AIDS - is the Bangui definition still used? Is the connection between HIV and diagnosed AIDS cases less strong than is commony supposed? Is medical transmission of AIDS a major factor in Sub-saharan Africa.
  • Xbox Solution/Talk:Xbox Solution - is Xbox solution sufficient notible for inclusion in Misplaced Pages?
  • Matrix scheme/Talk:Matrix scheme - an anon user is removing all references to the site www.matrixwatch.org, be they in-line mentions, external links, or cited sources, and is reverting any edits that show matrix schemes (similar to pyramid schemes) in an unfavorable light. A great deal of text is being placed on the talk page, but no discussion is happening. Note that there are two different anons leaving unsigned comments.
  • Developed country/Talk:Developed country - Dispute over which countries are developed, one user has been asked to provide references and failed but continues to edit the page.
  • K'Vort class starship - Ongoing dispute between editors over whether this article should be merged into Klingon starships. Tempers are flaring a bit high on this one.
  • Talk:Hellenic Genocide Whole article is an attack on Turks, has a deletion page here Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Hellenic Genocide
  • Talk:Houston Chronicle - Is the "controversy" section about this large newspaper too long? How should an internal memo about light rail editorials accidentally posted to the Website be characterized? Is fundraising information about Tom DeLay and Bob Lanier referenced in the segment on this internal memo appropriate for inclusion? And other related disputes.
  • Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda - This article, under accuracy and content disputes and based almost completely on a private web site's collection of one-sided, largely discredited information, and an expansion of the first rumor on the Misinformation_and_rumors_about_the_September_11,_2001_attacks page, is a contorted effort to shore up the now-discredited connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Extensive use of uncorroborated allegations and removals of valid facts has ensued as the original author attempts to maintain and expand what should have remained a private web page.
reply:This article has grown tremendounsly since the first version with the help of a number of editors, and is now among the most even-handed and comprehensive treatments of this subject anywhere. Everything is meticulously sourced (80+ external links), and all points of view are well represented. As the original author, I have tried to encourage other people to be involved by taking a hands-off approach and refraining from editing for a month, during which time the person filing this RFC was one of the primary editors.
Calling an ongoing effort to find corroboration or denials for uncorroborated reports 'even-handed' is highly inaccurate. This process does not belong in an encyclopedia article. In similarly politicized articles, such allegations are corroborated before being presented as fact to the reader. That is the germ of the most recent disputes.
  • Drug abuse - Is there one definition for all geographic locations, medical and legal, and historical situations? May 26 2005
  • Talk:Palpatine - Star Wars fans: Earlier, somebody restuctured the article and removed the comparison to Hitler paragraphs, because they belive that the material belongs under the Hitler article. Is the comparison inappropriate?
  • Template_talk:Communism#Delete_Anarcho-Communism. Disagreement over the inclusion or exclusion of Anarcho-Communism.
  • Human — argument over the accuracy of the summary.
  • Talk:Kitten arguement over whether or not a link to evil reptilian kitten-eater from another planet should be in/is relevant to the article. There have been multiple reverts/changed back and forth.
  • Talk:Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus (5.101)Dispute about Wittgenstein's influence on electrical engineering.
  • Talk:List of self-proclaimed deities. Should Jesus be included in a list of 'self-proclaimed deities? If so with what comments? Apart from that, in one day four templates have variously been added to this article by one user after the article maintained a long streak of popularity and perceived neutral content by many editors. These are {{cleanup}}, {{wikify}}, {{disputed}}, and {{{{limitedgeographicscope}}. When one is removed, a different one is added. Playing the template game is frustrating for all users involved and it makes it very difficult to discuss any relevant issues.
  • Only template remaining is {{disputed}}, all others have been cleared after discussions and edits were done to the article. See the talk page.
  • Talk:Fart fetishism - Post VfD debate, to keep or delete fart diary section.
  • Talk:Desperate Housewives - A section was added called "Characters and Crimes" detailing main characters and the crimes they have perpetuated. A user removed this section, stating it did not belong, after a number of other users edited/contributed to the section. The article has been reverted pending user input on the issue.
  • Talk:Cyprus dispute. Dispute over two competing points of view. Needs work to produce a version all can be happy with.
  • Talk:Kurdistan Workers Party - Seems overly biased against PKK, much stronger and more definate use of language than other "terrorist" organisation articles, seems fairly one-sided, any attempt to try and reach a consensus nearly always ends in deadlock, although some progress has been made. One user frequently reverts to his (poorer) grammar and spelling and removes POV/info.
  • Talk:Israel unilateral disengagement plan of 2004 - should an article about the Gaza pull-out plan which discuss the Israeli opposition to the plan include links to photos of the protest, incluiding photos showing who build Ileagl homes in the settlments in an attempt to house in them anti pull-out protestors - the links are being added by an anonymous user who owns the photos.
  • Talk:José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero - hopelessly POV article (against Zapatero), any attempts to change it result in personal intimidation from one user, making a collaborative editing atmosphere impossible.
  • Talk:Subhash_Chandra_Bose - debate regarding Bose's collaboration with the Axis forces, and its consequences for ordinary Indians/the Indian freedom fight against the British.
  • Talk:Economy of the United States: Currently, several articles take into account the European Union when discussing the gross domestic product and ordered ranking of national economies. It is debated whether or not the EU should be referenced in these cases.
  • Talk:George W. Bush Ongoing diagreements regarding the omission of politically charged opinion and constituting this as merely stating facts about opinions. In particular, the section regarding mental health but also the discussion regarding drug and alcohol abuse.
  • Talk:Council on American-Islamic Relations and Talk:Muslim Public Affairs Council - anonymous users repeatedly insert anti-Israel POV, attacking critics of these groups as "neo-conservative and Zionist organizations with political agendas".
  • Talk:Frank_Chu - debate about appropriateness and accuracy of the term "schizophrenia" as used here; currently two authors are at loggerheads in an edit-revert war.
  • Talk:Football#Nuclear Football Should a disambig notice linking to Nuclear Football be placed at the top of Football? One party will not argue his position but reverts whenever the disambig is placed.
  • Talk:Iglesia ni Cristo Need input into dispute between members and former member over article POV.
  • Talk:Gaza Strip. Anonymous editor wants to insert several links to his photograph pages in this and related articles.
  • Talk:Pope Benedict XVI — Debate over the use of Pope Benedict XVI's style in the introduction of the article. Issues similar to the ones occuring in Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom article.
  • Talk:Fidel Castro. Several issues all in talk. Issues are primarily with the introduction and several of the more controversial subsections of the article.
  • Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom — a minor argument about the use of titles, and a major problem of the NPoV status of the whole article
  • Talk:Jesus#Problems with this article. Dispute over the balance of the article, which one editor claims to be PoV.
  • Talk:Israeli-Palestinian conflict#Why does the table of the emblems belong here? -- appropriateness of the table systematizing official emblems of major Palestinian organizations. A common element (the map of Israel) on the emblems contradicts official policy of the Palestinian Authority and therefore contributes to the conflict.
  • Talk:Ahvaz - A NPOV dispute about this Iranian location's history. See also Talk:Khuzestan for a related NPOV dispute between the same users.
  • Talk:Nebula class starship - The inclusion of weapons counts for Star Trek ships is in dispute. Weapons counts are derived from studying footage from the shows and examining pictures of official models. These counts can be open to intepretation. It is disputed whether this may be considered original research and ineligible for inclusion.
  • Talk:Internet Explorer - Dispute over including criticism of the browser, and possible anti-MS bias.
  • Talk:Greater Serbia - A seemingly intractable dispute between two editors. Input from anyone with specialist knowledge would be helpful.
  • Talk:Cheating in Counter-Strike - The article's conclusion is that essentially, Pro gamers have to cheat to remain competitive. This is of course quite a statement, RfC'ing! The article was set on disputed (presumably till next friday) and additional input is requested, especially from more experienced wikipedians that know how to deal with such issues. (Presumably NPOV & factually correct articles that people may find offensive)
  • Talk:Orkut#Brazilian invasion - Dispute over the neutrality and the factual accuracy regarding the situation of the Brazilian users in the orkut virtual community.
  • Talk:Saudi Arabia -- see section Factual corrections, the dispute is over whether institutions like the mutaween (religious police) exist in countries other than Saudi Arabia.
  • Talk:Libertarian Party (United States) -dispute over POV on "prominent libertarians".
  • Talk:Fallout (computer game) - dispute over the description of Fallout community, each of which is claimed to be POV by the author of the other.
  • Talk:Dieselboy - Two users disagreed, third opinion was sought, one user is refusing to respect the third opinion.
  • Talk:Jerome H. Lemelson - A personal threat to engage in a dispute with Misplaced Pages is made on the page, after added matter was removed on grounds of lack of neutrality and original research.
  • Talk:DVD — Should the topic of DVD-Audio be split into its own article?
  • Talk:Death Star - Wording describing the size of the Death Star. Which wording has less POV?
  • Talk:Jawaharlal Nehru - disputes between registered and anonymous users over whether a lengthy, unsourced section containing comparisons between Nehru and Joseph Stalin should be included.
  • Talk:Islamofascism Issues:- whether behavior of Admin:Mel Etitis in banning only one side of an RV war that Mel Etitis was involved in, is acceptable.
-whether behavior of Admin: jpgordon in locking a topic he was involved in to a specific edit, is acceptable.
-Ongoing questions on what factual information should be allowed into article following a failed VfD and repeated vandalism (wholesale content deletion).
It's inappropriate to refer to article editing you disagree with as "vandalism". User:Grace Note explained his edits fully on the Talk page. He removed various material that he felt was original research and not properly sourced.
Except that various editors with admin status have been involved in condoning abusive and vandalist edits whose POV (anti existance of Islamofascism) they agree with. Klonimus 15:09, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Talk:Jesus - whether using "Before Christ" (BC) and "Anno Domini" (AD, or in the year of the Lord) or "Before Common Era" (BCE) and "Common Era" (CE) is POV -- particularly with regard to the Jesus article (Note: see Misplaced Pages Manual of Style)
  • Talk:Thule Society - Whether and to what extent modern conspiracy theories shall be included.
  • Talk:Palpatine - Star Wars fans: Should content from Darth Sidious be merged and redirected into this article, or the other way around.
  • Talk:Schapelle Corby — Should article include external link to http://www.schapellecorby.com.au/ her Official Support Website?
  • Talk:California State Route 17 - In article titles, is consistency (with the official name and other articles) or the "common name" more important? --SPUI (talk) 11:20, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Talk:William Pène du Bois A quoted passage from a work of fiction refers to balloons as having a "combined lifting pull of 600 pounds." In the context of this article, to assist non-U.S. readers, conversions are added in brackets. Should these conversions be given in kilograms or in newtons?
  • Talk:Suicide - Need further input about NPOV regarding suicide as a medical emergency vs. a choice.
  • Talk:Political correctness - Disagreement over fair and acurate way to describe Political correctness.
  • Talk:Christian right -- Disagreement over fair and acurate way to describe the Christian Right.
  • Talk:Appeal to belief - Editor insists that "Most scientists believe in evolution, so it must be true" is a common example of an "appeal to belief"
  • Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (biographies)/Survey on Style-Prefixed Honorary Titles - A page using an unorthodox statistical method to seek consensus about the use of "styles" in biographies (titles like "Her Majesty"). Multiple users have expressed a desire to junk the page (on grounds that the survey is confusing and the options offered vague or inappropriate) and instead use a more usual wikipedia approach to resolving the issue; others seem committed to carrying the survey though to a conclusion which will become policy.
  • Talk:May day - Dispute originally regarding a single sentence in the article has now degenerated into personal attacks and ideological sparring.
  • Talk:Vilna Gaon - whether it is appropriate to put footnotes in small print.
  • Talk:Pablo Neruda - ongoing dispute about the factual accuracy of claims made about Neruda and the NKVD/KGB
  • Talk:Timothy McVeigh — dispute over whether McVeigh is a terrorist or whether is is more NPOV to state that he was convicted of terrorism.
  • Talk:Theistic realism - How should the article be written, should extensive quotations of the inventor of the term (Philip Johnson) be used, and how should criticism be handled? Ultimately, should the article be merged or deleted?
  • Talk:Israeli settlement Dispute over how to present different views on UNSC-resolutions.
  • Talk:Homosexuality - Multiple disputes over content and NPOV
  • Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr.: should the list of wives of Joseph Smith be removed from his article.
  • Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy/Masts: There is a discussion about how stub articles on radio masts (large antennas) should be handled. A merger of these stubs into a single table at List of masts is proposed.
  • Talk:Evacuation of East Prussia: Should the article begin by referring to its topic as "the Prussian Holocaust," and acting as though this is a commonly accepted term?
  • Talk:Metrication: Should the article contain a section on the ideology of metrication?
  • Talk:Interstate Highway - should km/h equivalents be to the nearest 1 or 5? --SPUI (talk) 13:48, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Talk:Chemtrail#NPOV tag Is the article intrinsically non-neutral, unless reduced to a mere definition? Does serious discussion of the belief system amount to advocacy for the truth of the belief?
  • Talk:Technological_singularity#Definition Comments needed on whether definition should be changed. I don't want to make a significant change without a consensus as Wiki is no place for orginal researech.
  • Talk:Battlestar Galactica (disambiguation) There's a revert war going on, on whether or not the ship Battlestar Galactica deserves to be disambiguated *in any way*, to point to its article page at all.
  • Talk:Anthony Flew. Fundies and the US press have taken his conversion from atheism to deism and ran with it, meanwhile atheists are denying he even exists. A right mess.
  • Misplaced Pages talk:Criteria for speedy deletion - what exactly is "reposted content"?
  • Talk:Shemale and Talk:Hormone replacement therapy (trans) IP inserted highly questionable paragraphs, those were removed to the talk page and discussed. Discussion on both articles deteriorated into rabid rants and insults, with cross-references to the other debate. (Note: This RfC is more about the discussion style than particular content, so most people will be able to comment despite the rather specialised 2nd topic.)
  • Talk:Bill_Clinton#Photos. Dispute over whether pictures of bodies from the Kosovo conflict shoudl be included.
  • Talk:Jeb Bush. Dispute over NPOV, copyrighted photographs. One user is accusing others of harrassment. Other methods of dispute resolution, including requesting comment from other editors and a listing at peer review, have already been attempted.

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General user conduct

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  • /Uncle G - user page! need one yesterday
  • /Classicjupiter2 - gratuitous incivility and baiting
  • /Mlorrey - dispute over NPOV and inclusion of POV, especially in regards to gun control issues

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  • /Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 2 - 3RR, personal attacks, bad-faith editing
  • /Zivinbudas - Edit warring, 3RR violations, personal attacks
  • /Neutrality (2) - Ignoring attempts at dispute resolution over feelings that his recent use of VfD has been excessive
  • /Whig - disruptive behaviour, misunderstanding that WP works by consensus
  • /KapilTagore - virulent personal attacks, lack of civility, POV warring, 3RR violations
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  • /KaintheScion - Repeated personal attacks after being warned to stop, 3RR violations, false accusations of vandalism against other users
  • /Daniel C. Boyer - Use of Misplaced Pages as a vehicle for self-promotion, personal attacks and general hostility towards those who have attempted to dissuade him of this practice, attempts to restore deleted article about self through use of anonymous IPs.
  • /OleMaster - At least two WP:NPA violations, several bits of vandalism
  • /Trey Stone - Endless edit warring, 3RR violations, ignoring NPOV process, lack of civility
  • /Johan Magnus, Ruhrjung, Tuomas - One user alleges being constantly reverted by three experienced users who display incivility and territorial behavior about articles that have "stood the test of time". This includes asserting personal opinions over academic sources.
  • /Mr Tan — user who has for some weeks been disrupting editing of a number of articles and making personal attacks on other editors
  • /Haham hanuka - vandal who has been banned on Hebrew Misplaced Pages, and is now trying to subvert the English Misplaced Pages. (most notable is the search engine fraud currently being committed on his user page)
  • /Xiong - ongoing disruptive behaviour, often in direct violation of Misplaced Pages policy.
  • /TDC - Repeated 3RR violations, edit warring, ignoring NPOV process, lack of civility
  • /Islamist - inserting pro-Arab POV and personal attacks against users.

Use of administrator privileges

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