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MA mediation

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Re:Your note

Hi there! Apart from some paragraphs that have been added by others, I think the information in the article is not POV. It is true that some informations may need more reliable citation. However they are correct. I only tried to collect the view points of all sides of the debate. I was not attacking pourpirar and others. This is an undisputable fact that Pourpirar, Salimi Namin and others are fighting against Iranian culture. I think there is a consensus on this.

You also deleted some statements like this one: "Also, it is worth noting that there exists a huge controversy over the terminology used to describe Iranian contemporary political philosophy".

I provided several sources and links at the end of article that covers these issues. I don`t have time to make inline citations now. For example I provided more than 10 articles that only address the terminology. The articles are all in Persian though. You also deleted some materials from scholars like Ahmad Sadri! I don`t see any reason for such deletions. I hope you ADD some info to the article too and make it better. Thanks any ways. Sina Kardar 19:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Pic that refers to persian people

I want to make it clear for you that all the induviduals on the represent pic for the persian people article are all taken from the article "list of Iranians" if you are not agree with this please check or complain on the "list of Iranians" article.Addfsfsd 21:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

no i just cant remove something that arte sourced as persian, you must give sourse to prove thath he is not persianAddfsfsd 21:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

History of fundamentalist Islam in Iran

Sorry to not be able to help right now, but I'm buried under with other projects already. --Leroy65X 21:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

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Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad mediation update

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_mediation/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad --Sefringle 19:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Arab women

Thank you for your suggestion regarding the article on Arab women. It definitely needs more work. I'll try working on expanding it, particularly something on women's rights movements.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 20:18, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Pahlavi Crown

Dear Behnam, sorry for the late reply. Unfortunately I do not have any specific sources related to the crown, at least none that I can recall right now. But if I find any I will definitely add them. Thanks for drawing my attention to the article. Shervink 15:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Aniran

Hey, I tried to insert the Iranica information, but for some reason, Misplaced Pages wouldnt register my edits, the diff shows all my edits clearly, but when I pressed save, it didnt show any of it...Check the history to see what I mean. I reverted back to Smackbot for the time being. Try to revert back to my first edit and see what happens this time.Hajji Piruz 22:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the response.Hajji Piruz 18:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Help needed

{{helpme}} On the Ali Montazeri article, I recently improved (I think) a number of references. The problem is that there are references from different pages of the same source. How do I note this without having to make a new reference? If I add the additional page numbers to the formal reference, I lose specificity, but if I make an entirely new formal reference for each page difference, I gain redundancy. Is there some better alternative? The Behnam 05:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

If it's different pages of the same source, you have to make different references for each fact in a sentence. For example, use this formatting:

Apple is a color<ref>Doe, John. Book title. City: Publishing Company. 2007. pp. 45.</ref>.

For more information, see WP:CITE. Miranda 05:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

So, in that page, there is no way I could incorporate all of the 'Moin' references into the formal Moin reference I have for page 262? The Behnam 05:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, for that cite, use <ref name="example">Doe, John. Book title. City: Publishing Company. 2007. pp. 45.</ref>. Then on the other sentences, use <ref=example/>. Miranda 05:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

But if it is a different page? The Behnam 05:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

You could shorten the bibliographic info in subsequent footnotes. So, in the first, you say, <ref name="example">Doe, John. Book title. City: Publishing Company. 2007. pp. 45.</ref>. In the second, you just say, <ref name="example2">Doe, op. cit., pp. 70.</ref> Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see. That seems a good way to do it without being too repetitive. Thanks all. The Behnam 05:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:your note

Hi Behnam: I took it from wiki-persian and the source is: "Pasdasht e Haghighat", by Mohsen Rezaee and Abbas Salimi Namin page: 147.

Would you please correct its English mistakes? Thanks. Sina Kardar 16:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Please see my note on the talk page too. Thanks. Sina Kardar 16:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

GJ

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Given to The Behnam for his struggle against vandalism, as well as contributing to unity between cultures. Keep up the good work. Cyrus111 04:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Levity

It was intended as a humorous response; no doubt that's why you found it humorous. It's rather disappointing when (obviously successful) attempts at levity are met with accusations of incivility. Jayjg 15:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Behnam, your most welcome, thanx for your reward as well. I will also thank Mr. Shahram, however where is the award you say he gave me??? Cant find it anywhere :-( (lill help here) Cyrus111

Re:your note

Thanks for the info. Take care. Sina Kardar 21:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Cuteness

Hi The Behnam, I've added a question for you over here. Thanks. --TotoBaggins 23:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm on the discussion too. Behnam, please follow up there. I expect you to fully defend your deletion of the image. --Matt57 14:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Behnam so I take you're ok now with the cuteness picture? http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Cuteness --Matt57 22:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Iran leader

I saw the first 2 links in this edit of yours and they both did make a mention of "Ayotollah of Iran". Could you explain your edit more? --Matt57 23:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I see your point. You can reply here and I'll follow up here. There are lots of google sources that mention these terms together. Whats the difference between these terms then? --Matt57 00:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

In the minimal amount of time I've spent looking into that term I haven't seen any significant difference, but until the sources themselves make the generalization that I removed it shouldn't be included. From what I've seen the most amount of OR really allowed is basic math (i.e. converting .75 to 75%) and other simple logical deductions. I don't think that readers suffer too much from the exclusion of that particular anyway. The Behnam 00:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

The statement in concern is:

In Western media, the sitting Supreme Leader is sometimes referred to by the religious title The Ayatollah of Iran

So you're saying that none of the 3 refs were refering to the "Sitting Supreme leader" ? This is what the dispute about, i.e. how the Western Media uses the term. --Matt57 00:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

None of the sources were making the claim about the Western media's usage. They need to make that specific claim in order to include such a sentence. Simply citing examples of that usage to forward that claim is original research that cannot be used in the article. The Behnam 00:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I thought you saw my point. What are you confused about? The Behnam 00:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Which of these statements do you not agree with? 1) The sources were talking about the "Ay of Iran". 2) They were talking about the Supreme Leader of Iran. Please reply on the Cuteness matter too on the talk page there. --Matt57 00:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I disagree with either of them. But that doesn't matter. Unless the sources themselves make a claim along the lines of "In Western media the Supreme Leader is sometimes referred to as the Ayatollah of Iran" we cannot make this claim, as this is original research. What more is there to understand? What is the point of this anyway? Why did you bring this up? The Behnam 04:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok I see your point. Although I found google sources (a few RS too) mentioning "Supreme leader" and "aY of Iran", I couldnt find anything mentioning the two full terms "Supreme leader of Iran" and "Ay of Iran". --Matt57 15:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi there

I noticed you left an opinion on the afd for Allegations of Israeli apartheid could you take a look at the afd for Accusations_of_French_genocide_against_Algerians here ] I would appreciate your opinion Bleh999 01:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: your comment

Behnam, I have few concerns about that and few other lines in that section. 1) the argument is that Vedic have no memories of any migration outside of region known to them. Ghandhara was a region know to them. So that argument doesn't really provide any criticism. 2) The argument presented by OIT proponent is very simple - no memory of migration. This was presented in JIES and a whole lot of scholars criticized the article as per Dab. So why doesn't he use those criticism, instead of creating his own analysis. 3) Parpola doesn't mention anywhere that Rigvedic Aryan preserve any memory of any migration or identify SWAT/Ghandhara as Urheimat or homeland. 4) to present any argument from OIT Dab insists on sources acceptable to WP, so how can he present criticism which is not acceptable to WP policies. 5) it starts with "iron age migration", RigVeda is pre iron age. 6) Dab changed the reference for that statement about 4 times. I checked everyone of those publication and I can not find it anywhere. His statement does not pass WP:V test.

The bigger problem I see in that section and few others is that instead of providing criticism from acceptable sources, Dab is adding so much junk that it just obfuscates the issues. WP is to documents argument presented by others; it is not a place to create new arguments. All of material presented by OIT has been published in acceptable source. It has been extensively criticized by mainstream in JIES. Witzel has published detailed criticism of Talageri and Elst. But there is not one word of that criticism added by Dab. The rules should be same for everyone.Sbhushan 21:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Pre-Islamic period of Afghanistan

Hi, I didn't know why cais-soas.com was blacklisted and when I clicked the link it appeared legit. So when it wouldn't let me save the article (my edits were unrelated to the links) I embedded it in nowiki to let some other editor deal with it. -N 15:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Iranian Refrence

hi, at "winter solstice", you removed a needed citation, that i believe was very valid and reputable. http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Celebrations/yalda.htm i am aware that a similarly named website has caused trouble and that by putting that website on the hyperlink blacklist it has also effected this address (which has nothing wrong with it) that is why the nowiki was employed. is there anything i'm missing? why remove the citation?Some thing 18:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:NPA

TB,

I dont know what your agenda is. But you dont have my vote of confidence. All you had to do was to make changes to the article. Deleting it altogether was a terribly bad move to make.--Zereshk 06:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

That is just what I am not seeing. What is so terrible about Misplaced Pages lacking this article? It doesn't even have a real topic. You know I've made changes in the past - I got rid of stuff coming from that now-blacklisted website because I knew it wasn't a reliable source. I even endured getting blocked for it - it isn't like I don't care about the quality of articles.

I had been wondering why exactly this article existed and why it seemed so vague. One thing that brought my attention to it was some anon removing the lead altogether. I undid it as vandalism or something, but I couldn't help but think that the anon was right. The concept of "Iranian women" doesn't exist to merit an encyclopedia article.

The trigger for the deletion was when I was looking over the talk page (shortly before the nomination) and saw someone defending the use of pictures not ideal for the article (under my definition) based upon the definition provided in the article. I removed that aspect of the definition (because it made no sense to me, but who are we to define this "topic"?), and then decided that the non-topic article shouldn't be tolerated any further.

BTW, I am not sure why you used WP:NPA as the title here. Were you referring to your suggestion that I have an "agenda"? The Behnam 06:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

"Iranian women do not exist to merit an encyclopedia article." Are you even serious?!!!--Zereshk 06:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Unless you are quoting me from elsewhere, that is a complete misreading. I said "the concept of "Iranian women" doesn't exist to merit an encyclopedia article." So I am not sure where that quote is from. The Behnam 06:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I just checked this page, the deletion page, Talk:Woman, and Sefringle's talk page (the only places I have written about this matter as far as I know) for the quote you provided and I have found nothing. So I'm pretty sure I never said that. The Behnam 06:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

So "the concept of Iranian women doesn't exist". That's not really a difference. That concept was so big that Ebadi got a Nobel Prize for spending her life defending it.--Zereshk 06:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Well it is quite different from saying that Iranian women don't exist. Ebadi spent her life defending the concept of Iranian women? Strange; I thought she was notable for defending Iranian women themselves, not the who-knows-where defined concept of "Iranian women." The Behnam 06:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

No it's not different. All ayatollahs do agree unanimously that Iranian women exist. They just dont think that it is an important topic i.e. concept that merits much attention or merit. Ebadi challenged that view.--Zereshk 06:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

While it isn't clear exactly what in specific you are referring to (this "challenge"), knowing a little bit about Ebadi my guess is that her activism is part of the Persian women's movement, or otherwise oriented towards promoting women's rights in Iran. So I think that the topic you may be thinking of is not "Iranian women" (not a real topic) but perhaps something like "Women's rights in Iran". But of course I'm not sure because not everything about your position is clear to me at this time. The Behnam 06:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

So the topic does exist, you agree.--Zereshk 07:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Um, nothing about my posts suggests that I think "Iranian women" is a real encyclopedia topic. The Behnam 07:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

How unfortunate for you then. I'm sure you think similarly of a lot of other things about Iran as well.--Zereshk 10:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

white people

where, if not at white people will we discuss genetics, phylogeny and traits related to light skin? Just because some people have emotional issues with the topic should not prevent us from a detached discussion of the facts. Genetically, it is the light skin that constitutes the 'aberration' form the human norm, and as such deserves in-depth discussion. Like any other genetic trait, it has an origin, a history, and a geographical distribution. Variation in eye and hair colour are clearly associated with the distribution of light skin. That's not saying that dark-haired whites are somehow "less white", but nevertheless, there are central and marginal areas of the trait, and the central happens to also feature variation in hair and eye pigmentation. According to the source I cited, red hair and blue eyes in particular are even directly correlated to light skin genetically. There is no reason why this should not be discussed. I am obviously with you reverting ideological bullshit like that added by Filiusvita (talk · contribs) (and also less blatant tendentiousness), but I maintain that this cannot impede a discussion of the genetic specifics. The bit about the brunettes illustrates the mechanism of sexual selection towards polymorphism. Read the source I linked. We have lots of articles dealing with racism. We have Caucasian race, Aryan race, Social interpretations of race, Stereotypes of whites, White privilege (sociology), Whiteness studies. I see no reason why the article on white people should also discuss this racialist nonsense instead of focussing on the genetic feature itself. dab (𒁳) 07:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Devadasi

That is not the point. Undue weight is given to one (sensationalist tabloid) source with regards to designating all devadasis as prostitutes. I know of several devadasis who have no such associations. There are no reliable sources (though plenty of unreliable ones) that specifically accuse ALL devadasis of prostutition. Such a claim is, in fact, negated by the bulk of the wikipedia page itself, which indicates that the practice degenarated into prostitution, but never to the saturation point.Monicheewan 03:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Hezbollah

Information is relevant to article, relevant to the sort of guidelines that determine what goes into an Encyclopedia, relevant to an accurate depiction of Iran, and relevant to World affairs and politics. Leaving it out would be like omitting information about The Iran-Iraq War, or Zoroastrianism. It is an important piece of information. Stop your propaganda edits. This is supposed be an Encyclopedia with relevant, accurate, true, and honest information, not a propaganda outlet for Persian Pride. --Alexander

Oh, so now I promote Persian Pride on Misplaced Pages? Right. No, we don't put a section about an organization that is partially funded by Iran's government in the main article about the nation. The Behnam 00:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh? Even if they kill and kidnap people in a very visible fashion at the order and understanding of that government? And even if it has a major impact on the International Relations and standing of that nation? Should Iran's military proper not have a place on their main page? Hezbollah has an impact and is of note. Other countries known of suspected of supporting Terrorists, or freedom fighters or whatever you want to call them have references to those organizations, including links to those groups entries on their main page. Like Ireland, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, ans so on, and in almost every one of these cases the governments involvement is less than in Iran's case with Hezbollah. Why should Iran's page be any different? Is Iran special somehow? In some manner protected from the publishing of an inconvenient truth? I fail to understand your reasoning. I am wary of your intentions. As for obeying Misplaced Pages's rules, I've yet to do otherwise, and I've no intention of being nasty. As far as cooperation, I'd be happy to cooperate with any other Misplaced Pages user in the quest to make sure pages have relevant, honest, informative, unbiased information on them. If you mean anything else by cooperate, then no, I don't. I'd be happy to sort the manner out with you via rational, plain, honest discourse, where the only agenda to push is the Truth and Relevancy of the article.Alexander 02:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not Hezbollah is right or wrong is not the issue here - the issue is that Iran is not the appropriate location for that section. I and others have already explained this and I am tired of your baseless claims suggesting that I'm pursuing some sort of agenda. The Behnam 05:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Yea, you were correct. The vast majority of sources, if not all, say he was Persian.Hajji Piruz 15:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess some users objected or something, I'm not really sure why Iranian was used even though the facts clearly pointed to his exact ethnicity...there are other articles that still need to be fixed.Hajji Piruz 21:37, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of Iranian women

An article that you have been involved in editing, List of Iranian women, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Iranian women. Thank you. -- Jreferee 06:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Artaxerex

Don't you think the behavior of this guy is simply unacceptable? Shervink 08:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

My response to your advice

Dear Behnam, I absolutely oblige and I am ready for conciliation so that we can move forward. I am concerned that these individuals are not ready for a reasoned discussion, as witnessed by shervink’s recent rant about his self-respect and his announcement that"I think there is simply no room for mediation or discussion"!!!. This is consistent with my long experience in dealing with such characters. They rant, mock, accuse, but never engage in a source-based discussion. Nevertheless, I will wait for such a discussion.

There is a strong case for arguing that the Pahlavies were the main culprits for the annihilation of an entirely astute constitution which was bestowing Iran with a golden opportunity at a critical junction for a socio-economical take-off at the beginning of the last century. Our historical perspectives should allow us to examine the judgment that their regime is responsible for what happened since. Respectfully Yours Artaxerex 19:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

A Request for Mediation to which you are a party is now active, and your input is requested. Further information is available at the Mediation location, Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for mediation/Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Kind regards, Anthøny 16:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Kashmiri People

Thanks for your message to 77.98.28.45 (I wasn't logged in) when I added that reference. There seem to be a lot of People who keep distorting facts and repeatedly vandalize the article. Something needs to be done about them, I've tried to contribute as much as I can, stating references where ever possible. Dardic people are also of Aryan origin and are not Semitic. The problem I think is that, fundamentalist Hindus who seem to think that Kashmiris were only Hindu before Islam came to the valley are trying to dictate their own theories into the article. Rinchen who was among the first Kashmiris to have converted to Islam by the teachings of Saint Bulbul Shah was a Bhuddist priest (later ruler of Kashmir) and a Dard Kashmiri from Ladakh. Kind Regards Abdelchi 00:50, 01 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Dear Behnam, thank you for your advice. I do not mind to adhere to your recommandations so long as I'd be assured that the sourced historical facts about the the Reza Khan and his son will see the light of the day at the end of this process.

On another note, while I am always ready to have an open mind, I am not sure why my behaviour needs modification in this dispute. I have provided source material and Shervink and co. deleted my edits. This, according to the fellow himself, is called vandalism. When you invited me to come back and discuss those points I accepted your invitation. However, the fellow wrote that he will not participate in the discussion, and refused to moderate the tone of my edit if it was needed to do so. Then he asked his gang to participate in a kangroo vote to delete those facts and the gang responded as was expected. Is it not the case that it is this gang that needs to modify its behaviour? Respectfully yours Artaxerex 06:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

My "sudden"(?) sensitivity

Hi Behnam. I'd like to clarify something about this comment of yours . There was no "discussion in progress" as far as I recall, which you claim I have stalled, unless you think that making page-long controversial undiscussed edits, starting an edit war and making personal attacks means discussion. His first act of "discussion", in his words indeed, was to "restore" the article to his version , and soonafter to add that given the intellectual level of my discourse he strongly doubted that I had the slightest idea of fathoming the importance of his edits ! Now please think about it for a moment and tell me who stalled the discussion. There is no "sudden" sensitivity on my part. I am, as any person would be, sensitive to insults and personal attacks directed at me. You seem to place part of the blame on me because I have complained about someone attacking me. I don't think that makes any sense. The responsibility is with the person who attacks, not with the victim. I have, by comparison, been perhaps the most open editor on that page towards Artaxerex's edits (most others seem to have given up hope long ago), and I decided to give it a try again in case he genuinely has understood how wrong his behavior was. But as long as he thinks he has done nothing wrong (above he suggets it is not him who needs a change of behavior), it will be a waste of time to talk to him. That is the reason for my sensitivity. Only then can we start talking about any of his sources and claims. Oh and please do not pick up his notion of "gangs" and "companies" in your posts, you seem to be too reasonable to use such language. Shervink 09:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Please stay out of Iran-related article disputes

It has been established, by countless editors now, that you are not at all familiar with Iran-related articles to any level and you have simply used your alleged "half-Iranian" status which I call you on, as a front for attacking Iranian editors repeatedly and interfering with their valid edits simply because "you feel like it". I suggest you find another area of specialty.Mehrshad123 19:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Questions

Behnam:

• As I expected one by one of those editors, who shervink claimed had left because of my edits, are coming bank to endorse his RFC. The latest are Mehrshad123 and Rayis.
• Of course, I now realize how pointless was my anger, and the best response to provocative messages would have been to ignore them. Incidently, I wonder if you've noticed my missive on the RFC pages which read:

Behnam, Admitedly my desire to balance the Mohammad Reza Pahalavi and Reza Shah pages got the better of me, and my frustration caused me to react in a deplorable anger towards fellows such as shervink. I thought that the fact that these indivduals were deleting sourced historical facts would justify my anger, particularly when they were calling me various names. However this justification was, of course, left a lot to be desired. I should have focused on the contents, and for this I genuinely apologize. The last thing in the world I'd be eager to do would be to be disrespectful of others, and to those who feel I was disrespectful towards I offer my apology.

I hope this apology would allow us to return to the content in dispute -- and to do so in a civil manner, reaching a Misplaced Pages defined concensus. I hope also that you, Behnam, would play the role of a mediator. I hope you would show us the best way to present the important sourced facts in an NPOV style. Respectfully yours Artaxerex 00:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

• Since I am not familiar with the RFC procedures I thought to ask you a couple of questions and I hope you will kindly provide the answers for me. Here are my questions: 1. Can a group of editors vote to ban someone in an RFC? 2. If they can, would it be for a short or a long period? 3. What would be the best procedure for a`banned editor to edit the pages after the ban is lifted. 4. In general, is my understanding correct that the statement 'wikipedia is not a democracy' means that a majority cannot delete the sourced materials?

Respectfully Yours' Artaxerex 23:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
PS. The last question: what is the "referee list" that Mehrshad123 talks about in the following email to shervink, and are there any referees from shervink group im that list?

Hello Shervin; I left a note on "TheBehnam"'s discussion page regarding his repeated interference in edits and disputes related to Iran-related articles. I do not believe he is Iranian at all because he has repeatedly shown that he has little to no knowledge on Iran-related topics and he simply interferes in valid edits by Iranian editors because "he feels like it", as opposed to having any knowledge of the topic.

I am quite concerned that he is being called to "mediate" content disputes on Iran-related articles when he has absolutely no knowledge in this area and if you know he we can remove his name from the referee list I will be glad to start a petition.Mehrshad123 20:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Shervink"

Your contribution at the Kashmiri people article

Thanks for getting back to me. The problem is that a person's opinion is straying into Original Research. Misplaced Pages, as an encyclopedia, is a place for established facts, not opinions or original research. You might want to consult WP:OR. Cheers, Dogru144 17:28, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Referee List

• Thank you for your prompt response. In fact, looking back at this saga, I realize that it was mostly the provocative tone of Mehrshad123, with its suggestive racial undertones, that made me really frustrated and angry with this group. For example, when he wrote :"OK and apparently you are Greek using a misspelled Persian shah's name (who fought with Greece) for your account which is bizarre on its own." in here (), or when he stated that you are "alleging" that you are "half-Iranian"!! and somehow your not blue-blooded status disqualifies you of having any educated opinion on Iran!! This kind of statements boils my blood.

This attitude is also clear from his message to Shervink about you; "I do not believe he is Iranian at all because he has repeatedly shown that he has little to no knowledge on Iran-related topics and he simply interferes in valid edits by Iranian editors because "he feels like it", as opposed to having any knowledge of the topic." According to this logic if somebody has little or no knowledge on Iran-related topics he would not be Iranian, and of course, the judgment of "a little or no' would depend on how much of that knowledge corresponds to this group's version of facts!! To my way of thinking the question of nationality is totally irrelevant, am I disqualified of having any information about the US, because I am not American?!!. None of the people in this group disassociated themselves from these types of comments. Furthermore they invited each others to various plots to veto the facts which was unpleasant to them.

I may be ranting, but this was the main reason for my anger when I called them racists. My summer holidays are fast coming to their end and my hopes to balance the two articles during this time are dashed.

Best Regards Artaxerex 03:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Message from Laserpointer35

Sorry to post a message here, i'm new to this, didnt know how to contact you. Just wanted to know if you like to work on few iran related articles for wiki or outside wiki, if youre intersted, please let me know, thanks. Koosha Hashemi k35@btinternet dot com

Thank you

• Thank you very much for the information. I am rather clumsy in finding this kind of information, and I find the search for these policies somewhat cumbersome. I am sure that a great majority of Iranians, including me, would be thrilled to have you as a fellow Iranian of full standing, and I am sure that they will be embarrassed enormously if somebody suggests otherwise. Best regards, Artaxerex 00:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I just saw your contribution to the RFC, and would like to thank you for your neutral stand. I appreciate any suggestions as how to present some of those diputed contents in the body of the article after the termination of this Saga. Of course, I welcome any comments by shervink, and other editors who support him in order that we would be able to balance those disputed points.

Category Links

Oops! Thanks for fixing that at Iranian women and explaining my mistake. I'd better go move the categories I've just added to "see to" to the bottom of the Women in India article as well. --Moonriddengirl 17:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. The Behnam 17:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Crescent Rising

Thanks. While I didn't create that one, I'd have properly put it with a lowercase "r" as well. I am not yet fully familiar with naming conventions. Slowly figuring this massive project out. :) --Moonriddengirl 17:43, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

FYI...

User:Hayden5650 is quite certainly User:Nordic Crusader. No "maybe" about it. --jpgordon 22:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not he, and I sincerely regret divulging on-wiki who I know off-wiki --Hayden5650 07:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, actually, checkuser evidence is not in the least bit vague here. On at least five occasions, you and Nordic Crusader used the same IP within minutes of each other; either you are playing musical chairs at the same computer or you're the same human being. Has nothing to do with any divulging you may regret; I'm not aware of those statements. --jpgordon 15:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I'll look further into the nature of Nordic Crusader's block to see if it is appropriate to extend the block. Hayden has certainly had his share of disruption so far, and knowing that he was Nordic Crusader adds more to this. The Behnam 17:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi Discussion

Dear Behnam, Thanks to your sagacious advices,I am glad that the discussion on MRP has restarted. I know that you are a busy man, but I am looking forward to have your advice. I’d like to ask you please keep an eye on this discussion. I am pledging to be very civil, and to stick to the disputed content. I am hoping that at least some version of the facts from the spoken words of the Monarch registered on various video interviews can be presented in an NPOV manner. 24.81.86.124 19:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser

Not that I know of. JFD 06:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

It is on the main checkuser page. Outstanding request 1.5 (for the moment). JFD 06:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I think all it means is that someone forgot to remove the {{checkuser requests to be listed}} template when it was listed on the main checkuser page. JFD 07:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

If you want to cut & paste it to WP:SSP, be my guest.

I've got crank fatigue for the moment and don't feel like dealing with it.

JFD 01:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

User:KarenAER

Has reported me for 3RR. here I got no warnings and was using the talk page and consensus for the reverts, and changes. A few days or so ago I was going to report him/her for being uncivil. I have collected many instances of this, but after reading the process to report a user I gave up. There has to be two users who agree, so I didn't feel right canvassing others. I guess I got caught up in the moment, and am now being retaliated against. <sigh> - Jeeny  17:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't post that to you expecting you to do anything about the report. As I did revert, for different reasons. Although it may have seemed as I was asking you to do something. Like I said, I got caught up in the moment and became frustrated, but of course that does not absolve me. It was more to do about Karen's behavior than anything else, which is very frustrating. I'll sit out, and take whatever is to come. Thanks. :) - Jeeny  17:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

OMG lol which one? I'm afraid I'll mess something up with others edits. I'm so confused. - Jeeny  18:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. I just hope I didn't mess anything else up on the page. I'm just going to take what is decided in the report. I feel a bit sneaky doing this anyway. Again, thanks! 18:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your help and comments. I really appreciate it much! - Jeeny  19:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

• I really am grateful for all your excellent comments. I wish I knew how to offer you a banner that would say: "You Are the Finest" Artaxerex 02:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

White people

I thank you for everything. I am going to take the white people off my watch list, because I obviously cannot keep my word to stay civil. I'm going to trust that the good out-way the bad. There is no need for me at that article, as I find it hard to control my emotions and that is a bad sign, and I should heed my better judgment. Emotion often gets in the way of better judgment, for me anyway. Good luck, and stay cool. I don't know you, but know you are fair, and are of good character. That gives me comfort. Adieus, dear The Behnam. Please, if perchance, and there always is, if you see me on that article please feel free to smack me on my talk page. I will need it. :) - Jeeny  07:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Semitic

Behnam, I am really very surprised that you think you need to teach me about such obvious things. When I say that Iranians are not semitic, I mean that both their languages and their culture are quite distinct from those of the semitic people. This has nothing to do with race. Shervink 07:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)