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Scream 4
- Scream 4 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore|cache|AfD)
Verifiable Information Released and Confirmed at http://weinsteinco.blogspot.com/2007/10/screm-4-officially-greenlit.html and http://videoeta.com/news/2366 Dane2007 06:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Denial of Soviet occupation
- Denial of Soviet occupation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore|cache|AfD)
Breach of Misplaced Pages:Deletion_policy#Deletion_discussion. No clear consensus was formed for deletion as the volume of discussion indicates, therefore the page should have been kept for further editing, merging or redirecting as appropriate, as per policy. Reasoning of closing admin flawed in that exposition of a particular point of view is permitted by policy Misplaced Pages:Content_forking#Articles_whose_subject_is_a_POV. Also the closing admin's view that the intent of the article is to draw a parallel on the Russian government position and denialism is unfounded, since there formed a consensus in the debate that a move to Russian government view on Soviet occupation may be appropriate (and to which the article was moved during the debate). In regard to charges of WP:OR regarding "Soviet occupation", 5360 hits in Google scholar , while "Soviet liberation" only gets 107 hits in Goole scholar Martintg 01:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Endorse; I see a clear concensus, and the closing admin has clearly set out the reasoning used to reach the decision, and it was sound and proper. — Coren 02:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Restore; I cound about equal (~40) votes for deletion and against. It's clear non-consensus, and any accusations of cabal cannot explain 40 votes one way or another. Thus, restore.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 03:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Too bad it's not a vote. The arguments for keeping amounted to little more than cries of oppression or conspiracy. The article was a POV fork, and several people pointed at a way to improve the original (work on the "Official Russian position" section and spin off later if warranted). — Coren 04:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- It's not a vote, but the votes are an indicator of the consensus of lack there of. It is not the role of the closing admin to weigh up the arguments and apply a casting "vote", but to determine if there exists a concensus for deletion. When ~40 vote "delete" and ~40 vote "keep" after thousands of lines of debate, there is no concensus. See Misplaced Pages:Deletion_policy#Deletion_discussion Martintg 04:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Too bad it's not a vote. The arguments for keeping amounted to little more than cries of oppression or conspiracy. The article was a POV fork, and several people pointed at a way to improve the original (work on the "Official Russian position" section and spin off later if warranted). — Coren 04:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Endorse. The page went through two acrimonious AfDs and ended up by being deleted on both occasions. If Piotrus and company will seek to escalate the drama here, I will ask demon to have the page g4'd once and for all. The community has spoken, and more than once at that. Why should we be bothered to comment on the same AfD through endless rounds, just because Piotrus and several Estonians cannot accept the outcome? --Ghirla 06:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Acrimonious = no concensus. ~40 votes to keep out numbers Estonians by a ratio of 10 to 1. Martintg 07:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Endorse per Coren. Also, it was simply a recreation of deleted article, so basic deletion rules mean it had to be deleted. -- Grafikm 08:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)