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Interview

Thanks for both conducting the interview and posting it to the article. Yes, I just moved the template to the article section whose content seems most closely related to what's covered in the interview. Best, Dan.—DCGeist 00:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Anthony Gair

Dear David,

The page Anthony Gair was tagged for deletion because it looked like an advertising. I believe this tagging is unappropriate and I have already posted a comment on the discusssion page of the wikipedia administrator who tagged the page for deletion. Cpittet —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpittet (talk • contribs) 19:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews lead

Just FYI, I forked Blackwater USA arms smuggling off of Blackwater USA. Could be a good wikinews bit? • Lawrence Cohen 20:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Signed photograph of Mr.Sam Raimi.

Is there some way I can confirm the authenticity of an signed photograph of Sam Raimi that appears to be from the Evil Dead era? pporter5@yahoo.com Please contact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.251.130 (talk) 17:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Frank Messina

I created an article for Frank Messina, and noticed your wikinews interview, which has been referenced in the article. I enjoyed your interview, and wanted to share my efforts with you. Thnaks again for all your work! Alansohn 17:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

tag problem

Hi David,

Thank you for your help and comment regarding Anthony Gair website. Now that changes have been made how can we get rid of this orange tag on the top of the page????

Thank you very much in advance for your answer.

Cpittet —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpittet (talk • contribs) 22:27, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! I really appreciate it.

CP

Barnstar

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		I, The Fat Man Who Never Came Back, award you this Barnstar for the abundance of killer photographs you donate to the project with tireless zeal. Your images are an incalculable benefit to so many articles. The Fat Man salutes you!

I know you have a zillion of these, but perhaps you can make room for one more. Thanks, in particular, for making good on your promise to provide a lead image for the porn article. So far, people seem pleased with it (I know I am!). Cheers, The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 03:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Saturday November 3, 2007 New York City Meetup

You have expressed interest in creating a meta:Wikimedia New York City. Please have a look at Misplaced Pages:Meetup/NYC, the meetup for Saturday November 3, 2007, where it is hoped we can actually get a local chapter started.--Pharos 07:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:SignTSP.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:SignTSP.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Calliopejen1 20:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue X - October 1, 2007 The LGBT studies project has been rather quiet of late. Though we've added over 180 new members in the last year, only a small percentage are active participants. If you haven't visited our project or talk page in a while, please stop by for a look. Also, if you happen to bump into another editor who you feel might enjoy working with us, please extend an invitation. There's lot's do do, and the active members would sincerely appreciate some help. Welcome to the 11 new members that joined us in September: Bu852, JuniorMuruin, Laualoha, JereKrischel, Dybryd, Sexperts, Ctjf83, Allstarecho, Johnandbob, Carlossuarez46, and Carterdriggs! LGBT Project Peer review Our Peer review project is struggling at the present, with only a few people reviewing the articles. While it is certainly possible to submit articles for a general peer review, a review by members of the LGBT community can be of additional value for LGBT specific writing. There are several articles currently up for review on a wide range of topics. At the very least, reading the articles will undoubtedly broaden your intellectual horizons :-) Deletion discussions At the moment, David Le Brocq, Malmö Devilants and Trajectory Hermeneutics are up for deletion review. Please take a look at them and make your voice heard at the deletion review. Articles nominated for deletion also present a challenge for improvement. See what you can do, and watchlist our deletion review page. FA & GA article news Since our last newsletter, Fun Home and GayFest have been promoted to Good Article status. Congratulations to all editors who have worked so hard to improve them! While the T-Z list was promoted to Featured list on September 26, 2007, we have had no articles reach Featured Article status since Homer's Phobia was promoted last March. In fact, one article of our Project was delisted: Andrew Van De Kamp. Please take a look at out listed articles and see if you'd like to try to take one to Featured status (there are almost 8,000 to choose from). Additionally, Conversion therapy has been nominated for Featured status. Please read the article and give feedback at the Feartured Article Candidates page. (See also our FA-class list.) Pederasty article controversy The Pederasty articles continue to be a point of controversy both within and outside of our community. Various editors have suggested that to include them as LGBT Project related somehow taints the project and brings Misplaced Pages into disrepute. Other editors have stated that the articles, and especially the Pederasty article, are part of the core of LGBT studies. Well meaning editors continue to remove our tags from the articles themselves as well as the talk pages. If you have time, please read the articles and watchlist them to protect them from vandalism and well meaning but counterproductive edits. List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people The list of LGBT people has survived its 4th nomination for deletion. Please watchlist this list to protect it from vandalism and unsourced additions. There are many in Misplaced Pages who would like to see this Featured status list removed from the project. It is up to us to keep it to such a high caliber that it never is removed. David Shankbone Our project member David Shankbone is now working as a journalist for Wikinews, as well as continuing to improve our project and Misplaced Pages as a whole with his photographs. A sincere thank you goes out to him for all of his hard work. Misplaced Pages would not shine nearly as brightly without your contributions, David. Barbara Gittings The surviving life partner of prominent LGBT rights activist Barbara Gittings recently called one of our editors and, among other things, complimented us on what a great job our project is doing on Misplaced Pages. Thanks to everyone who contributes to this project, either through their article edits or support for other project members. We really are making an difference here! Member assistance Some of our project members have been having difficulties related to editing on the encyclopedia. If you are feeling frustrated or distressed by your editing experience, please don't keep it to yourself. Misplaced Pages is a collaborative effort, and we are all here to help one another. Drop a line on our talkpage or on another editor's page, and other members of the LGBT project will happily give you the support you want and need. Lastly, Halloween is just around the corner. More than most holidays, Halloween is a holiday embraced by and tailor made to our community (though God only knows why we are invisible in the Halloween article here. Perhaps somebody would like to rectify that editing oversight). Have fun, everybody, and remember to both trick and treat! To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

Dean Johnson

Did you know of him or ever photograph him? Gay performer and part of NYC's underground music scene. Also gay escort/blogger. Just found dead. I'm surprised Misplaced Pages doesn't have an article about him. Jeffpw 05:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

What the FUCK?!?!? Michael Lucas is dead?!?!? His article isn't updated with that info, so you know something nobody else seems to know. When did it happen????? I didn't like him, and found him an arrogant fuck in interviews, but I am shocked to hear that. Damn. I read the interview after I posted this. Thought you had gotten hold of some fabulous celebrity gossip for me. Oh well. Anyway, I have another "vertical smile"pic of Britney if you want it, and downloaded her new labum the other day (pretty good, for Britney), 2 weeks before its release. :-D Jeffpw 15:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

why on earth do you suppose she totally shaves it? Even if I was into snatch (I'm really only into Britney's), I wouldn't want a shaved one. I'd want one that looked like it had lived a little. And I'll read the Augusten Burroughs interview now. Coincidentally, I just picked up his book, running with scissors. Interesting read. Jeffpw 15:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

great interview! What an fascinating dinner that must have been. I envy you the experience. By the way, my mom looked at your page and is kinda hot for you. Full disclosure; she's my source for all the Britney crotch shots. LOL! I'm serious. We have an odd relationship, but a festive one. Jeffpw 17:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Dungeon Images

Hi DavidShankBone, I just read about the pics. That's really great! Working on :de and :en Misplaced Pages I have been looking for this kind of material for months. The BDSM articles are in general need of high quality pictures. Do you have detailed images of the equipment as well? Regards. --Nemissimo 17:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

:: David, you can't even guess how happy I am to get more decent material on this. Thanks a lot! --Nemissimo 19:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

ACLU interview

Hi David -- I posted a question for your interview with Nadine. Do let me know when the interview goes live! Sdedeo (tips) 21:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Jackie Beat

If you're in the mood for a fluffy interview with a great gay New York pop culture (full) figure, check Jackie Beat out. Think you can interview Jackie and take some pictures for her/his article? Check out his YouTube Gimme More parody -- the ultimate bitchslap tribute to Our Poor Britney.

Email

Replied. IvoShandor 18:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I have signed up an account under the same user name I used here. IvoShandor 18:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Avidor

I've asked you repeatedly, if you have a concern about my interactions with Avidor, take it to the proper channels. Otherwise, please drop it. It has nothing to do with this case, and your insistence in bringing up this unrelated issue in every discussion is not helpful. ATren 16:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

• I just find the irony in this post hysterical. --David Shankbone 17:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm glad to have amused you. :-) Now please stop bringing it up in this case, because it is completely irrelevant. I am more than willing to defend my entire history with Avidor if you like - but this case is not the forum for that. If you would like details, feel free to email me from my user page. Otherwise, I am asking you politely to drop it. ATren 17:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, ATren, I haven't brought it up enough. Almost every edit you have made in the last few months has to do with a case that, in the end, has nothing to do with you. THF was a problematic editor, he was disliked by most people he came into contact with, he pushed an agenda on this site, and I went overboard in my pursuit of him. That, in a nutshell, is the case and I don't care if you disagree with that synopsis or not. But at every turn, you are commenting on every thing a person writes. You go to their talk pages and continue to carry on with silly theories, challenging them to explain their actions, and the posts at ArbCom you write are the same things over and over again. You have threatened to open COI cases against an arbitrator (Raul654) and me for my Wikinews work. Have you noticed you are the only one doing this? No. Well, go have a look. You are the main contributor to those pages now. Most of us have stepped back to work on other things. Not you. This is the *only* thing you are doing on Misplaced Pages. Perhaps your problem is you having trouble letting go of things, and perhaps that is the problem you have with User:Avidor. Nobody--nobody--cares what the genesis of the issue is; a year later you are still writing a blog about him, you still advertise that off-wiki harrassment of him, and you aren't letting go, just like you aren't letting go in an ArbCom case that has nothing to do with you. Whatever your problem is with Avidor, you are the one perpetuating it on your User page; you are the one who continues to monitor him. And at ArbCom, you are the one who can't seem to let any post go unanswered, including the ones that don't require comment or aren't addressed to you. What is it about yourself that keeps you unable to let go?

So if you are going to involve yourself in an ArbCom case, and if that is going to be the only thing you do on Misplaced Pages for months (which it is) then you should expect your own behavior is going to be an issue. Especially since it makes you something of a hypocrite in this case. Let it go. --David Shankbone 17:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Avidor and me: as I've said, you seem to have a problem with my behavior in that dispute, so raise it in the appropriate forums, that's all I ask. Heck, take it to arbitration if you like. But it is inappropriate for you to continue raising it in this case, because this case has absolutely nothing to do with that conflict.

Regarding this case: resign yourself to this fact: I am involved. If you are waiting for me to let it go, you will be waiting a long time, because I never give up on anything once I've started. If you view this as a character flaw, fine, but that's who I am and as long as I'm not acting abusively, there's nothing wrong with what I'm doing - even if that's the only thing I happen to be doing lately on Wiki. Point me to the policy where it says an editor cannot focus on one thing for an extended period of time. ATren 18:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't care that you're involved because your arguments aren't really listened to because of your wild vehemence. It's just kind of sad; I feel bad for you. The case looks on its way to dismissal, but your behavior is as much a part of the case as anything else, since the case is examining what constitutes harassment, and you harass User:Avidor both on wiki and off. --David Shankbone 18:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Photo of Alice Sebold?

Message also left at your Commons talk page:

David,

I don't know how busy you are lately, but I was wondering if you could be over at the Union Square Barnes & Noble tomorrow night to get a photo of Alice Sebold (she's doing a reading, signing et al, in support of her new novel The Almost Moon. If you can't I'll understand, but it would mean a lot to me — last year the deletion of the fair-use image of her that I had uploaded (the book cover photo from her past two books that I've always liked, the one in shadow) was my rude awakening to the new replaceable fair-use policy, and if I was able to play some part in arranging for a free replacement (particularly one by a good photographer), I would feel some vindication.

Feel free to reply on my Commons talk page; I'm here often enough now. Daniel Case 01:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Colbert

I agree with your edit. We don't know if it is satire or not. I was more concerned with the wording of his announcement, which it seems you kept. Illinois2011 16:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Peter H. Gilmore

It qualifies for speedy deletion as it does not provide references showing and indication of importance/significance. See the CSD A7 criteria. Many other articles on this topic are just as bad. -- Craigtalbert 21:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Second Warning

I'm trying to clean up articles that probably should have been deleted long ago. Reasonable people can disagree, but in my opinion WP:CSD#A7 pretty clear on this point. Request administrative action and see what they say. -- Craigtalbert 21:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: I've alerted the admin board

If articles meet the criteria for speedy deletion, they should be deleted. If there's some question, then it should go to AfD. I don't see any question as these articles lack reliable sources establishing their significance. -- Craigtalbert 21:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

• I've explained my reasoning to you. I believe I'm correct. You've reported me. The admin who responded doesn't completely disagree with you. Either way, please stay out of my talk page if all you're going to do is "scold me." -- Craigtalbert 22:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

• • Sourced articles? Which ones are you referring too? -- Craigtalbert 22:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

• • • Interviews with non-reliable sources don't establish notability. I can't find wikipedia guidelines supporting the the process you're advocating. Why not let the admin who reviews the csd nominations decided on their notability, instead of removing the templates? Why are you telling me what I like and don't like? -- Craigtalbert 22:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

• • • • CSD are very clear about the requirements. I'll give you that there's a weak argument for Peter H. Gilmore's notability there is, at least, 37 articles that mention his name. You can recreate articles after they've been deleted or petition for them to be undeleted. I don't feel like I've done anything wrong, and I'm sorry that you disagree with me. The articles I nominated didn't established their notability. According to CSD, if they don't, they should be nixed. You're jumping to a lot of conclusions about my motives, and you're interfering with the process of how CSD works. Either way, I don't think this is a productive conversation, and it seems like we're just repeating things we've said before. If you can approach the topic with a cooler head later, I won't mind discussing it with you. -- Craigtalbert 22:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

• • • • • No, User:Caribbean H.Q. said "some," and used the Peter H. Gilmore article as an example. And it's only now that you're sticking up for all them -- that's a pointless fight, because some of those articles are really hopeless, and one you'll lose if you keep it up. Your wikilawyering doesn't intimidate me. I can read, I know what the guidelines say, you can tell me I'm wrong and lecture me as much as you want to, but it doesn't change the truth. -- Craigtalbert 22:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

• • • • • • Again with the telling me what I think and what I don't. Can you speculate about what I think on your own time, and stop spewing it all over my talk page? You're wasting my time. -- Craigtalbert 23:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Law school comments

Second year. What are you, a third year? Night school four-year program? It doesn't matter. I don't make demeaning comments about your status as a law student, and I would honestly appreciate if you reciprocated. Cool Hand Luke 22:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Then stop raising ridiculous arguments at ArbCom. We can go back and forth all night over your not applying similar standards, or my not applying similar standards. Neither one of us should be engaging in the kind of petty bickering that is the hallmark of ATren's arguments. We should both be above it, and we are both engaging in it. Right now the ArbCom is devolving into little squabbles that are a waste of everyone's time. --David Shankbone 22:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

That's not the first time you did it (in response to a very concrete hypothetic). Comment on the contribution, not the contributer; this is not negotiable. Cool Hand Luke 22:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't give me that, Luke. We are very much in ArbCom to discuss the contributors. Spare me. --David Shankbone 22:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

To discuss my status as a law student? Really? Wow. Cool Hand Luke 22:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

If you are going to argue like a law school student, and you are going to talk about what should be argued in front of a court of law, then yeah, I'll bring it up. --David Shankbone 22:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

What the hell does that even mean? The talk page is not an NPA-free-zone. Period. Cool Hand Luke 23:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

There was no personal attack. Look at our pissing match to see. "Could you imagine going into a court and saying, 'Your honor...'" You and THF need to have "personal attack" more defined for yourselves, because what you classify as a "personal attack" is not anything that I can figure out. --David Shankbone 23:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I was also speaking toward the frequent invocation of ATren's history, but I can't and won't defend him. Let me help you: I find it very patronizing and it annoys me. Will you stop? Cool Hand Luke 23:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I will stop, if you stop bringing up how one would argue in a court of law. --David Shankbone 23:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It was an example of a presumption. AGF is not something that you can turn on its head by demanding proof that we should assume good faith. If you have such a problem with analogies to use of language that I assumed you would understand, I'll stop. However, even if I or others slip up, you should comment on the contribution, not the contributer. Cool Hand Luke 23:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

AGF is also not an absolute. We have 5 out of 6 editors who have agreed to his problematic editing; we have him coming on saying it's a kangaroo court and lodging a threat so that he can finish his self-serving article on Misplaced Pages's bias. There really isn't much room for good faith with him at this moment. You're welcome to assume it all you want, but I don't see where at this moment he has any interest in helping to improve the project, so I'll assume bad faith on his part, thank you very much. In case you haven't noticed, I have a little more credibility in that regard since I'm still here improving the project. AGF isn't blind and it's not an absolute. --David Shankbone 23:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

A majority agreed about your bad behavior, but it doesn't give me a license to assume bad faith. If AGF is impossible toward THF, at least try to assume good faith toward others. Please, really. I would appreciate it.

I did not publicize I was a law student. I said to you "if you must know, I'm a law student," but you've brought it up on at least three separate occasions now. This goes towards some of the same issues originally cited in this case. Just comment on my contributions. That's all. Cool Hand Luke 00:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

It's amazing that you continue to condone with your silence the personal vendetta ATren has against Avidor, with some of the arguments you raise both in the ArbCom and without. Regardless, I think we would all do well to back away from the ArbCom since every one of us is raising the same arguments over and over again. It's getting us nowhere except inflaming each other. I would hope you'd at least agree on that point. And the "comment on the contributions" argument has no bearing in an ArbCom, but for article discussion pages about the subject matter. --David Shankbone 00:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't wikistalk people. I don't care what he does with his spare time; he does not speak for me. He has not brought up Avidor once in this ArbCom, so I haven't had the opportunity to complain about it. I never even heard of the user before this started. "Comment on the contributions" applies everywhere, except perhaps for parties at ArbCom, so your comments toward me are irrelevant unless you would like to make me a party, and even then, I don't see how my status as a law student makes any difference. Cool Hand Luke 00:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

First, you've admitted in ArbCom you shadow people's edits, so don't give me the "I dont' wikistalk" bit. And you have the wrong idea about ArbCom. ArbCom is exactly the place where we talk about the contributors. I have no problem talking about your law school thing, but your blowing it out of proportion simply because it annoys you (I said it twice, both times in reference to inapplicable courtroom analogies you raised?). Regardless, you are aware of the harassment of Avidor now, and if you really believed half the stuff you say you believe in that ArbCom (you OR Georgewilliamherbert) one of you would tell him that it doesn't matter of Avidor is found to be sending pipe bombs to anti-PRT people off wiki, on wiki it has nothing to do with the project and this isn't the place to advertise personal vendettas. But...you both just sit there, arguing one thing in ArbCom, but allowing it with others. So, whatever. --David Shankbone 00:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't care what ATren does off-site. If you have some heinous diffs of his on-site behavior, perhaps I would support an ArbCom for that, but he doesn't seem to be disrupting anything right now. THF agreed to have his comments monitored by me and Newyorkbrad. I don't wikistalk people without their consent, and I don't bring in disputes unrelated to the matter at hand. And it was no less than three times, including one outside of ArbCom As ArbCom's unwillingness to examine the behavior of other problematic users has shown, this is not a free-for-all bitch-about-editors forum. That kind of behavior hinders ArbCom and is as off-topic there as it is with any talk page. At any rate, I'll assume that you'll stop doing it. Thanks. Cool Hand Luke 01:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not off-site, it's on his User page. --David Shankbone 01:24, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Why do you think it's wise to intentionally annoy anyone? Look, it doesn't even matter. I didn't make a law argument, and this case is basically over, but you seem hell-bent on provoking me. I'm just going to let it slide, but this is the last time. Cool Hand Luke 04:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:KETTLE - Wow, you really showed a petty side to yourself in the ArbCom. Must feel good. --David Shankbone 04:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

What?! I'm not trying to annoy you. We had this absurd conversation, where you again called me a hypocrite and demanded that I condemn ATren (who removed his user page note 10 minutes after I said "Yeah, he should take it down..."), but you at least promised not to bring up the law school thing again if I don't use court talk. Fine. Good. And so you... do it anyway.

This is just baffling. I'm not threatening you, I'm not calling you names. I just don't get it. Cool Hand Luke 04:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Please, you make this big big point of trying to get me to appear out of the blue and tell some random guy who hasn't been involved in the ArbCom that he was wrong to say something to THF? Like it makes sense; like I'm going to expend the keystrokes, time and energy. You starting going on in the ArbCom about how it will "improve the project." Grow up, Luke. I realize you're in your twenties, but you can at least not pretend like you have no idea that you weren't provoking me or trying to annoy me in the ArbCom. You can sift through the diffs yourself for the Wikidea. I don't have any inclination or desire to entertain your silly requests and demands. --David Shankbone 04:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to say this as flatly as I can. I was not trying to annoy you. Admins often get away with too much (see sentiments on my user page), and I think one did in this case. I shouldn't have assumed you would try to help, but I hoped you would. I shouldn't have grandstanded, but I did because you had called me a hypocrite. It was nonetheless a mistake, and I'm sorry.

I sifted and found nothing, so I'll assume that you would have condemned him now. Thanks. Cool Hand Luke 04:57, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

It's time to present your evidence

Since you seem to be an expert on my dispute with Avidor, and since you have insisted on raising the issue in every discussion, it's time for you to start presenting evidence. I'm sure you've researched this extensively right? And you have a large collection of diffs to support your case, right? You wouldn't pursue me so relentlessly without some evidence, would you David?

So please, present your case. I've begun presenting mine on Ossified's talk page and on the arbcom talk page. It's time for you to respond with diffs that justify your relentless pursuit of this issue. If you can't produce those diffs, then this has been nothing short of harassment. ATren 03:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

ANI

ATren hasn't informed you of this, so I will. He has gone to ANI, saying you're harassing him. I think it is the other way around, actually, and have said so on the ANI page. Jeffpw 04:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Is that really all it was?

So after so many weeks of you harassing me about that conflict, are you now saying that all you wanted me to do was remove one line from the bottom of my user page? Is that one line the only reason you pestered me for so many weeks? Why didn't you just come to me directly with your concern? Why did you feel the need to spend weeks parading around vague accusations against me? Do you have an answer for this David? ATren 05:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)