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Kitamori Kazoh

Hi.

I noticed you switched the page I created to the western style of given name family name. That's fine and dandy; thank you.

I am trying to do some internal links for tha page, specifically for Kitamori's intellectual fathers, Tanabe Hajime, and Nishida Kitaro. Both of their pages have family name given name. Should they be changed, too, or what's the deal? Thanks

Uac1530 04:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Peta (prefix)

Vulcan

Taito

I'm confused as to what happened with Taito Corporation. If nobody opposed the move, why was it not moved? I could have changed the dab page, but a disambiguation page is not needed with only two articles and a dablink at the top of one article. This is why I proposed the move. "Corporation" is not necessary in the title of a company article, unless as a qualifier. So the point of the move was to move Taito Corporation over the disambiguation page (which is more of a trivia page), nobody opposed it, so why didn't it happen? ~ JohnnyMrNinja {talk} 02:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I've left you a reply on the talk page where you listed the move. I was attempting to close the request through my edits, but if you want someone else to take a look at it, I'm not offended that you reopened the request. Maybe I should have been more communicative, but I didn't change the setup quite as you requested because I did object to one part of your line of reasoning. Dekimasuよ! 07:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for closing that discussion

Thanks for closing the discussion about the requested move for Angband. That was the first time I'd seen a requested move discussion take place on a WikiProject talk page rather than an article talk page. I still think an article talk page would have been better, with notices on both of the other talk pages, but it worked out OK in the end. Thanks again. Carcharoth 09:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

New database dump

I've processed the July 16 database dump and the results are at User:RussBot/DPL, in case you want to start a new series at WP:DPL. --Russ (talk) 19:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying to go ahead and get the page together and ready for transclusion. In the past I was against transcluding early, but it worked so well this time that I think we should go ahead and start it (the only reason we haven't hit that 80% threshhold this time is that the total number of links was so large). I was running through some numbers yesterday and found that we had finished fixing 90 of the 103 pages with 200+ links even though we had finished less than half of the total pages with 100+ links. I'm not sure whether it's a cause or an effect, but it does seem like it would be good to get the new dump up and get people around DPL focused on the pages that have big problems. Hope you had a good Wikibreak.... Dekimasuよ! 10:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Furry

Thanks for sorting that out. Now the project has a name I can actually promote to the people most likely to contribute to it. :-) GreenReaper 14:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be one related change I can't make myself - Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Anthropomorphism/Assessment -> Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Furry/Assessment. Could you make this move? GreenReaper 17:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
No problem. Done. Dekimasuよ! 07:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested moves

Sorry for the inadvertent !vote mess over there. It's one of the XfDish processes I don't spend much time in at all. I thought I was being helpful. :-) — SMcCandlish ‹(-¿-)› 15:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

It's okay... it only took me a few hours to clean up. Haha. Dekimasuよ! 16:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sports in Detroit

Thank you for the move. Just to clarify, did you mean included in the article ? The Evil Spartan 19:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Although the title is just "Detroit" now, I meant to say that it is okay for other teams from the metropolitan area to be included in the article - i.e., the scope of the article wasn't changed by the move. I think my grammar was correct when I said that the move "should not be taken to mean that teams from outside the city limits should be excluded from the article"... but I agree that I should have explained it more clearly. Dekimasuよ! 02:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Taito move request

I would like to close the old move request for Taito Corporation → Taito. The request has been open for 11 days without much discussion except between you and JohnnyMrNinja. Are you willing to let things stand as they are now? I have no personal opinion on the matter—I would just like to close the old discussion. ●DanMS • Talk 05:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately the backlog at WP:RM is pretty large right now, and I seem to be just about the only admin on call there at the moment. I've been trying to run through as many moves as I can, but I've been avoiding closing the ones where I expressed an opinion myself. Please close it and any others you feel comfortable finishing off... that would be a big help. Dekimasuよ! 06:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I have been working on it little by little, but the requests come in faster than they can be closed. Some of the requests in the backlog are so controversial that I have really hesitated to do anything about them. Stemonitis used to work in this area but I have not seen him much here lately. ●DanMS • Talk 23:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
He was just away for a few days, but he's back now. When something like this happens, User:Anthony Appleyard and User:GTBacchus are also very helpful. I think we've just about got things back under control. Dekimasuよ! 01:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Close Request

Would you mind closing the move request for 4′33″ → 4'33"? I probably should not close it because I participated in the discussion. ●DanMS • Talk 00:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Request to reopen move debate

I closed the move request for Eisack → Isarco (discussion) because no consensus had been reached after 12 days. Almost immediately I had a request to reopen the debate. (See my talk page.) I told the requester that I would reopen the move request discussion if a couple of other admins agreed that it should be reopened. Do you agree the debate should be opened again? ●DanMS • Talk 01:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I may have interpreted the result of the discussion differently, but I don't think that reopening it would do much good - having been open for quite a long time, most of the people who might answer have already answered, so the course of the debate is unlikely to change. It's clear that neither title is wrong per se, and thus there wasn't a compelling reason to move the page. The discussion can be revisited again at some point in the future (though I'd personally advise against it), but it becomes much harder to close discussions decisively when they go back and forth between open and closed. I'd advise against reopening it, with apologies to the proposer.
I've got to go out now, but if the move proposal you mentioned in the section above is still open when I get back, I'll see what I can do. Dekimasuよ! 02:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk redirect pages

What is to be done with talk pages like this one, which was created when I moved Twitches Too! to Twitches Too? Since it was newly created by the move and has no history (and seems useless anyway), should I (1) delete it, or (2) just remove the redirect? I appreciate the assistance you have given me with these page-moving tasks and I hope I am not asking too many questions. I am learning a little more every day. ●DanMS • Talk 01:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Before I became an administrator, I used to break the redirect (by blanking the page) if I thought it was a talk page that could possibly used to discuss something different from the article in question (an example would be a talk page for a plain title redirecting to a talk page for a dab). If I didn't think there was any such issue, I left the redirect alone. As an admin, I sometimes (but not too often) delete that kind of redirect under CSD-G6 (housekeeping). In most cases those redirects are unlikely to become problems so I don't worry about them too much. There definitely isn't an issue here, so I don't think it's a big problem to leave the redirect in place. I haven't asked the other major closers about their opinions, so they might do things differently; my way might be a bit sloppy. Sorry if that reply isn't very helpful.... Dekimasuよ! 13:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Jam redirect

I notice you fixed the Jam redirect; that was fine, thanks, but please take care in such cases to ensure that the destination article handles the redirect via a disambiguation line. Anyone typing in jam would have been thrown to "Fruit preserves" without having access to other meanings of the word. Fourohfour 20:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I missed it because it was mostly a reversion; I was also looking at Jelly (disambiguation), and since the redirect there was sectional, I didn't notice that the link had been removed from the top of Fruit preserves. I don't usually make that sort of mistake, so don't worry too much. Thanks for fixing it. Dekimasuよ! 00:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Disambig work on Speech article

Domo arigato! --Orange Mike 03:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, if it was good. Please fix anything that still looks like it needs work... I've also listed it as a new disambiguation collaboration at Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation pages with links. I think we can all start to go through the 700+ links to the page now. (^^) Dekimasuよ! 03:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Socialist Canarian Party

Re: the notability tag on the Socialist Canarian Party, I think that its incorrect to compare votes for individuals and political parties when judging notability criteria. Most probably the party only contested in a single municipality, and it should be ruled out that the party might have had members outside of that municipality. Moreover the party is registered with the Spanish authorities, and it is advisable that persons going through those registers might consult wikipedia for information about the parties listed. --Soman 08:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to nominate it for deletion myself, but I respectfully disagree. It would be unfair to compare votes for individuals and political parties in a way that disadvantaged the individual, but I can't find the reverse to be true. Registration of a company is not enough to ensure notability, so I don't see how the simple registration of a political party can be enough to ensure notability. At any rate, I fixed the dead link and fixed the syntax of the translation. Hopefully someone will come along after us and present a third opinion. Dekimasuよ! 09:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I have (again) tried to raise the issue at Wikipedia_talk:Notability. IMHO, to serve as reference to electoral results, articles should be created on political parties even though they might turn out unsuccesful. --Soman 10:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Elonka 2

Thank you for taking the time to participate at the discussion in my Request for Adminship. Unfortunately the nomination did not succeed, but please rest assured that I am still in full support of the Misplaced Pages project. I listened carefully to all concerns, and will do my best to incorporate all of the constructive advice that I received, into my future actions on Misplaced Pages. If you can think of any other ways that I can further improve, please let me know. Best wishes, Elonka 05:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Lord Voldemort image

I see that you wrote on the picture of Voldemort in the article of the same name, that the movie was not yet in a screenshot capable medium. But then obviously, the screenshot was not taken from the film itself, but the official theatrical trailer. I then suggest that you remove the Fair Use-review, but I agree with you that it should be of a lower resolution plus a rationale for the picture captured from the trailer. Wikiburger 17:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

African Wild Dog

Thanks for your work merging my controversy article to the main article. That is really where it belongs. Steve Dufour 13:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Random Smiley Award

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Luksuh 04:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Inquiry

Would you be interested in help expanding a series of Anime related articles? I need help from a Japanese speaking person to add material from Japanese sources.

For now my focus is mostly for the articles on Oh My Goddess! (ああっ女神さまっ, Aa! Megami-sama!). More specifically articles on the featured list "List of Oh My Goddess episodes". I want to start with the article You're a Goddess?.

A concern was raised that the articles in question did not have adequate out of universe material such as information on the production or information on the cultural references such as the reception it received. Information on ratings, awards a particular episode received would also be a helpful addition.

If you could help perfect just one of the articles, I could use it as a metric for future reference. Of course I would more than welcome any additional help as well.

-- Cat 18:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Translation request

Hello. I saw you were volunteering to translate from Japanese. Can you help me evaluate Image:Fake of nanking.jpg and the book it's from, 情報戦「慰安婦・南京」の真実 to determine how reliable a source it is, and of course to translate what the picture says? It's being used as a source in the IfD to prove that the images Image:Trimedfilm battleofchina.jpg and Image:The Buttle of the China2.jpg are not original research. Thanks, nadav (talk) 22:59, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I can confirm that the text on the first image attempts to call into question the veracity of the photos, so I wouldn't consider the second and third images original research. Asked my opinion as to whether the source is in any way reliable, I would say that it is written from an implicitly and explicitly nationalistic perspective; i.e., the source itself doesn't make a significant attempt to evaluate the topic with neutrality, whether it happens to be correct here or not. It isn't anything you would want to base factual statements in an article on, although it might be useful as an example of the form in which nationalistic Japanese people have objected to coverage of the events in question. It's lucky I'm able to rule against the source, because if I had any sympathy for it, I'd be accused of bias. Dekimasuよ! 08:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
This is very helpful. Thank you! nadav (talk) 08:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment on move request dispute

I (and maybe User:Stemonitis) would appreciate your comment at User_talk:Stemonitis#British_Raj_move_request_decision on a move request of British Raj. Thanks. — AjaxSmack 18:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been tied up over the past few days, and I will be for a few more, but sorry for not getting back to you in a timely way. After a brief look I can't express a strong opinion either way, but I feel that it's reasonable (if not necessary) to read the discussion as reflecting a lack of consensus. Since you're asking me as an RM admin, I'd suggest asking the opinion of User:GTBacchus. Personally I'd worry a bit that whereas "British Raj" includes the area that became Pakistan, it is a bit less clear whether that's true of the term "British India". It also seems like it might be reasonable to apply WP:ENGVAR here, but other British government labels on Misplaced Pages that might fall under ENGVAR are clearly inappropriate (ugh, "Her Majesty's Government"?), clouding the matter somewhat. Dekimasuよ! 13:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Your question

Hi: thanks for asking that question. Unfortunately, I will only be available to answer it properly this afternoon (or, alternatively, around 6 hrs from now). I hope this is okay, and I just wanted to let you know that I had noticed it. Cheers -- Anonymous Dissident 21:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I have answered. -- Anonymous Dissident 06:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Did I answer it to your satisfaction? Thanks -- Anonymous Dissident 09:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I was unavailable for a few days, but I've added my final judgment to your RfA now. As I noted there, I was hoping for a more free-flowing response. On the other hand, in the context of an RfA, I can't blame you for limiting yourself. Have fun with your administratools. Dekimasuよ! 10:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks again for asking the question. -- Anonymous Dissident 10:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Bangalore?

Why was Bengaluru moved back to Bangalore? There was one more vote to keep it at Bengaluru.Reginmund 17:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I left a pretty extensive closing message that you might want to look through, but for one thing, the original title was Bangalore. There would not have been a consensus to move the page to Bengaluru, and the move to Bengaluru that did happen was not uncontroversial as claimed in the process. Dekimasuよ! 09:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Your close of the move discussion appears to have been guided solely by procedural nitty-gritties. In doing so, you've literally with a single wave of your hand invalidated a very long and detailed discussion of the move. This, you've done by pointing to an older discussion that is older by almost a year! It is also an insult to all the editors who took part in the extended polling in good faith. Now that you've corrected a wiki-legal anamoly with your hasty and imo, ill advised close of the discussion, do you expect us to open another poll to now 'discuss' moving it back to "Bengaluru"? (My reading of WP:BURO is that this is precisely the kind of bureaucracy that is to be avoided on wikipedia). I request that you read the discussions first, make amendments to your closing remarks and move the article back to Bengaluru (for reasons detailed in the poll discussions and this thread which has come up following your baffling close of the discussion on procedural grounds.

And no, I do not think there is anything 'controversial' about moving it to Bengaluru. If you think there is, please point out what the controversy is. Just because there is a detailed and lengthy discussion, doesnt mean there is controversy. Until now, you havent said anything about the merits of the arguments at all! You've only pointed out procedural details and not much else. Sarvagnya 22:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC) Sarvagnya 22:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

He said there's lack of consensus, which is a pretty accurate conclusion about the discussion and also a statement of his opinion on the merits of the arguments. This is a clear case of content dispute where an official policy would make things easier. Lotlil 01:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Dekimasu, please reconsider your move and change Bangalore back to Bengaluru. Thanks.Kanchanamala 09:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I've left a more extensive explanation as requested to make it clear that I didn't restore the Bangalore title on purely procedural grounds, but I still don't see a consensus for Bengaluru, so I am unlikely to reconsider my close. If you want another neutral administrator to review what I did, that's fine with me. As far as the comment above about starting another poll, WP:BURO aside, I don't think that would be the best course of action. It has already been made clear that a large segment of editors are opposed to the name change, so it would be unlikely to find a new consensus in favor of Bengaluru a week after the first move request. Dekimasuよ! 16:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Dispute at An Jung-geun

Hey Dekimasu, I saw how wonderfully you handled the Lake Heavens RM - I think that you have a very broad & open mind & you are perfectly fitting to be an admin. Could you handle dispute & handle it with neutrality? I personally don't care what the result is as long as you do it. Thanks a lot. (Wikimachine 22:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC))

My impression from the first read-through (I'm very busy this week, as you can see from my sharp drop in contributions) is that the current introduction is acceptable. I would probably link the first and second sentences ("...nationalist, best known..."). I don't think "nationalist" is a great word to use there, because the context makes it almost sound like a profession, whereas the word is usually used to denote a character trait. On the other hand, I think it is a better term to use than "activist", because it much more succinctly states the type of activism in which he was involved. Referring to him as a murderer or terrorist is also unnecessarily imprecise when he can be referred to as an assassin. I'll try to get back to this again soon. Dekimasuよ! 16:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar of Peace

The Barnstar of Peace
This is no bribery but I checked all of your discussion archive & you got only 1 barnstar! Well, there's no written rule that says you've got to have more than, but I'm so impressed with how you dealt the Lake Heavens stuff that I took time to pick an award - which reminded me, the sign of peace that you have on top of your discussion page. Gl. Wikimachine 22:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

War trophy move

Thanks for moving the page (I was the one who suggested it). User:Wmpearl, the page creator, has reverted your edits with no explanation. I think you did the right thing with the move. Would reverting his edits back be appropriate, or discussing on his talk page? Since he gave no indication for his decision (and probably just has a mild case of WP:OWN) I think reverting with an explanation for why on his talk page would be appropriate. What do you think? All the best, ~Eliz81 22:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Attack sites opened

Hello, Dekimasu. The arbitration case in which you commented to has opened. Please provide evidences on the evidence page for the Arbitrators to consider. You may also want to utilize the workshop page for suggestions.

For the Arbitration Committee,
- Penwhale | 21:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

On the Jews and their Lies & On the Jews and Their Lies

The first is just WRONG. It violates all the Rules of Style, and is not the way the title is actually written - in pracice. So I'm going to revert your error. We should not re-inforce people's mistakes! Do you understand me?

Best regards, --Ludvikus 14:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Contesting proposed deletions: The way to do it is not with a reversion, but with the following Wiki Tag: {{hangon}}. Best, --Ludvikus 14:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you understand me? Alarming, no? But Dekimasu, don't worry if you don't understand it. I for one certainly don't understand how writing "their" instead of "Their" violates all the Rules (capitalized) of Style (capitalized). -- Hoary 15:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Just to clarify, what I did here was undelete a redirect that is a plausible search term, and I wasn't involved in changing the location of any pages. Since I was undeleting the page, it wouldn't really make sense to leave the speedy deletion tag intact. I could have simply recreated the redirect, but as I noted, there was significant history that had been deleted without discussion in the past. Thanks for the various input. Dekimasuよ! 12:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for Help

Hi, Dekimasu -- You know, I hope, that some of us are doing a major revision of the Manga article. We've been working on it for a month or so, posting lots of notices and invitations on the Manga and Manga/Anime project talk pages. We're working in small steps, adding new sections and removing old ones if there is no objection on the talk pages. You can see the material we're working on now on User Talk: Timothy Perper/Sandbox5.

Fairly soon, we are going to starting on the subsection dealing with the history of manga before World War 2. The draft material we're accumulating has a fair amount of Japanese language material in it, contributed and translated -- thank you, thank you -- by Japanese Wiki editor Kasuga. Much of the material deals with history from the late 1800s (Meiji) up through the 1930s.

Can we ask your assistance with this material? Not merely to confirm the translations, but also to help edit the translation for smoothness. We very much want to keep as much of this material as we can, both out of respect for Kasuga and because we feel it adds substantively to the article.

If you're willing -- and I hope you are -- can you leave a note either here or on the User Talk: Timothy Perper/Sandbox5 page?

Timothy Perper 17:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

It sounds interesting, and hopefully I can lend a hand (although I haven't had a lot of extra time lately, and probably can't handle doing a full rewrite). Let me know when things are ready for what you'd like me to do, and I'll take a look soon. Will it be at User:Timothy Perper/Sandbox6? Dekimasuよ! 05:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


Incoming links

Hi.

  1. I've removed the categories until this is a live template.
  2. YOu should not subst Ambox in it - you should call Ambox.
  3. You need to support a date parameter for the cleanup category - see {{cleanup}} for the names
  4. Good idea to run this off #switch on NAMSPACE to only apply the cast to mainspace and Talk
  5. Good idea to have comments marking the beginning and end of the template as people will mistakenly subst it, and it then needs to be de-substed.

Rich Farmbrough, 12:59 2 October 2007 (GMT).

Nobel Prize in Economics

i noticed your opposition to renaming the econ prize, and thought you would be interested in knowing that there's another attempt to thwart the will of the community by subterfuge. you might want to check it out and share your views.--emerson7 16:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

My comment there didn't really amount to opposition. It was just related to Google results. Dekimasuよ! 11:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I know you're very busy but if you could spare some time, could you please answer my questions at Misplaced Pages talk:Requested moves#Page move after no consensus? I don't know any other user who has this as their speciality area. Thanks! –panda 01:24, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I've closed the discussion related to these things and left a summary of my views at Talk:Nobel Prize in Economics (as well as a shorter note at Misplaced Pages talk:Requested moves). Sorry to disappoint you, but I tried to give you a fair and impartial close. Dekimasuよ! 11:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not at all surprised by the results of the debate as I was expecting no consensus. This issue will probably come up again as this was the 2nd time in the last year so we'll see how it goes next time.
I strongly believe that Misplaced Pages's policy for common names should not have been followed in this case. Many of the people who voted to keep the page at "Nobel Prize in Economics" have not educated themselves in the topic, evidenced by the many incorrect claims they made. And they don't seem interested in it either since no matter what evidence is produced, they still hold fast to their beliefs. Or, after reading the evidence, they choose to invalidate it. Even if the title is a common name, it still lends support to the incorrect POV that the prize is a Nobel Prize, which I have been attempting to show ad nauseam that it's not with more and more, what I consider, more reliable references in Talk:Nobel Prize#Economics to no avail because one editor (Vision Thing, the first to vote) wants to adamantly adhere to a single reference from the web (UK Encarta, in this case) just because it includes the text "Reviewed by: Nobel Foundation". That doesn't mean that everyone who's spent time researching the topic agreed to move the page, but it's disgusting to see ignorant individuals decide on the direction of and text included in Misplaced Pages, which may be partly due to a personal grudge with me since I reverted their text at some point. (I'm primarily referring to the rationale being presented in Talk:Nobel Prize#Economics for including the econ prize as a Nobel Prize in the Nobel Prize article.) Some of the people who opposed the move aren't interested in facts about this topic, they're just defending their POV and using WP:NAME as an excuse since it can be applied in this case. The most neutral name would have been the proposed name as it includes the Nobel name and neither supports nor denies its association with Nobel. The article was, in fact, stable for at least three years with the longer name. Now, it's being disrupted about once every 6 months to move/debate the page title...
Lastly, I personally don't know of any case where a common name falsely implies something about the topic that it isn't, but is used anyway in Misplaced Pages. (There is no ambiguity to what the topic is about -- it is primarily the false claim I am concerned with.) If you could help find an example for me in Misplaced Pages, that would be appreciated. In my mind, this is a special case but please prove me wrong.
–panda 15:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Flying squirrel? Centrifugal force? Principality of Hutt River? Nothing pops to mind, but that is partly because, as in this case, the people on one side support the view that the common name is valid despite not being official. We are generally descriptive rather than prescriptive in naming, which means relying to a certain extent on the established terms used in third-party sources. Maybe reading through the archives of Japanese diaspora would be informative... I was part of a long dispute there about the appropriateness of its former title, "ethnic Japanese". Another case I was directly involved in concerned the validity redirecting University of Wisconsin to just one of the state universities in Wisconsin. Directing you to other RM discussions that I've closed isn't very helpful, because if I am shown to be in error then they won't be useful anecdotes - but I made a close at Talk:Bangalore recently that might also be of interest to you. Dekimasuよ! 13:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I read your comments in Talk:Bangalore already but that case isn't really similar since its a name change from an old name to a new name, both of which were correct at some point. Anyway, I'll take a look at the first 3 you mentioned. And I ask that you look at the conversation below (it's very short). If you don't have time, let me know and I'll ask another admin. –panda 14:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Could you also take a look at this conversation about these edit and offer some advice for what to do? –panda 19:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Linking the names of the individual prizes seems like overkill to me, so I prefer Vision Thing's text. That doesn't mean that the citation has to come out - it corroborates either version of the text and appears to be a useful reference. That said, the site is inconsistent in its own treatment - e.g., this page seems to indicate that the posthumous prize in economics in 1996 was a Nobel Prize by virtue of its phrasing. You are using a similar argument to state that the economics prize isn't a Nobel Prize, but the phrasing isn't tight and it could be taken to mean that after adding the economics prize, the committee (a) chose to keep the original five prizes intact, and (b) then chose not to create any more new prizes. The conversation itself could have worked out better, I agree. Dekimasuよ! 14:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! So I guess the final question is if the text + citation can be included, must be modified or removed, which was "The Prize in Economics is not a Nobel Prize, according to the Nobel Foundation." I'm the 2nd editor who has pointed out that citation as showing it is not a Nobel Prize. (The other can be found at Talk:Nobel Prize#Economics.) I agree the website is ambiguous with how it presents the prize but it also doesn't include it as a Nobel Prize when it lists the areas they are awarded in. It only groups them together in several locations, one of which you've pointed out. The website for the selection/awarding committee doesn't make that grouping. I would also agree to modifying the text to state "The Prize in Economics is not a Nobel Prize, according to The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences." if how prizes are grouped is credible evidence that something is or isn't a Nobel Prize. If this is taking too much of your time, let me know and I'll ask another admin. –panda 14:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

canvassing

thank you for the canvassing note, i honestly didn't realise there were specific prohibitions against it. i've reverted those i could find regarding another matter. with regard to agf, for weeks i actually believed panda was making good faith efforts until i discovered and understood his tactics at Misplaced Pages talk:Requested moves#Page move after no consensus. at some point, it just has to be called. either way, i take your admonitions to heart. cheers. --emerson7 15:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

People tend to look for reasons to bring about their desired result when they are convinced they're right, so it was a natural reaction for Panda to ask questions about the previous page move (which, from where I stand, was a somewhat questionable close). Even if it might seem that Panda was looking for an "excuse" to have the page moved in anticipation of a lack of consensus in the move survey, that doesn't mean he was acting in bad faith. People can be discouraged from wikilawyering without it being necessary to question their motives. Sorry if this response seems condescending, but it's good to maintain friendly relations whenever possible. Dekimasuよ! 12:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

emerson7

emerson7 has been harassing me since I made a change to the Nobel Prize in Chemistry page due to a comment by an anon on its talk page . A quick look at my talk page, emerson7's talk page, Talk:Nobel Prize in Chemistry#Country of record, and Talk:Nobel Prize in Chemistry#RFC: Country – ambiguous or not shows his uncivil comments to me. I don't know if these are enough violations to file a case at WP:WQA or if its even worthwhile. But in the mean time, he has been (1) removing good faith edits by new editors , accusing one of them of level 3 vandalism on their first offense and possibly driving away these editors from the project (Special:Contributions/Pavlina2.0, Special:Contributions/Dwolgel), (2) blaming the script for his reverts, such as "i pushed the wrong button before i could enter explanatory text." or "sometimes the script get confused" and (3) feigning ignorance such as "i'm afraid i don't know what you are referencing" to reverts he did several times . If this person still doesn't know how to use the scripts after having used them for over 6 months, can WP not allow them to use the scripts? He has been warned that using rollbacks in content disputes is not acceptable but continues to do it anyway, such as during his edit war with me . emerson7 also has a tendency to use the blanket edit summary "copyediting" or "cleanup" when he does include an edit summary. These don't say anything and are about as useful as not adding an edit summary. Sometimes, they're simply misleading, not necessarily incorrect. But I don't know if that actually violates any WP policy.

Should this case go to WP:WQA or some other venue? It's mostly a lot of small violations to different (newer) users and nothing that I can see as being any single serious violation. –panda 15:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I think you would be better off trying to file an WP:RfC/U since you raise many distinct questions covering a fairly long period of time. An RfC would require certification of the dispute by another user, but that seems like a fair possibility given the number of incidents you've cited. Emerson7 is frequently (if not always) very polite and willing to apologize when he has made an error, which makes WP:WQA less appropriate here here. What you really take issue with is the fact that he sometimes (often?) fails to address the problem or change his behavior after apologizing. An RfC would probably be the best place to discuss what changes might be needed. Dekimasuよ! 02:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
FYI. Except for being blocked and warned about using rollback scripts in edit wars, the points I brought up above where incidents that have happened in the last month, that is, during the month of September. Anyway, thanks for the advice. I'll think about filing an WP:RfC/U. (There's additional comments above regarding multiple topics that I would appreciate if you could reply to.) –panda 19:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Past history

If you didn't already check:

  • emerson7 was blocked 21:43, 3 May 2007 for "persistent disruption & refusal to repond to requests and warnings". If you look at his talk page (+ history since he deletes items) you'll see how many editors he has disrupted and continues to disrupt on a weekly basis. (You are not the first editor I have asked for advice on how to deal with emerson7. I have deliberately chosen to not file a case yet since I know that he spends the majority of his time fighting spam in WP, albeit far too aggressively at times.)
  • Panda has never been blocked, instead my patience has been tested to great lengths. I have had one conflict with a new user User talk:Ahm2307, which I haven't repeated. Now it's (1) emerson7 (who can't handle having his edits reverted but does it all the time to others), (2) as of a week ago Vision Thing (who also can't seem to handle getting his edits reverted and has stalked others when they do), and (3) Anthon.Eff, who likes to use, what I consider, personal attacks #2 with those who don't share the same views and refuses to do his own research for the Nobel Prize and Nobel Prize in Economics articles. He hasn't produced a single reference yet to support his views but holds fast to them anyway by virtue of the duck test. What do I do to fight these disruptive editors? I choose to produce new references and check on WP policies! So if it's considered Misplaced Pages:WikiLawyering to check and question policies to better understand them, then I'm guilty as charged!

Please check the histories of the editors you choose to defend and accuse before doing so!

...And if you've taken the time to read this far, thank you for your patience in actually reading my frustrations with the system.  :)

–panda 00:29, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I know I haven't replied yet with suggestions as far as Emerson7 is concerned, but I want to reassure you that I myself wasn't trying to accuse you of wikilawyering. I was rather trying to point Emerson7 towards a more productive way of stating his opinion than by writing that you were "acting in bad faith", because he really meant "wikilawyering" or "forum shopping". They still aren't nice things to say about someone, but they can imply a simple misunderstanding or disagreement rather than an attempt to subvert anything. Dekimasuよ! 01:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: 3 topics

Re: your closing comments to Talk:Nobel Prize in Economics#Requested move, a rewording may be appropriate. Note: I'm not challenging your decision, but I do think your comments need additional clarification.

  • "RM in 2006 was closed as "move" rather than "no consensus""
Technically correct, but the decision to close it as "move" to "Nobel Prize in Economics" was controversial. There was agreement to move the page in interest of a compromise. However, there was no clear consensus (4-3) for what to move the page to. The admin (I assume) who moved the page to "Nobel Prize in Economics", whether intentionally or not, undermined those who agreed to compromise and work towards a new title in the interest of the community. If they had been as unwilling to compromise as those in the debate you closed, it would have been a clear no consensus.
  • "the main consideration when trying to determine which page name is the established one is stability, not overall tenure; the established title in this case is the current title."
The current title has been challenged and moved twice in the last year, 4 times if you include moving it back -- that's not stable. The previous title was stable for at least three years with no page moves that I can see. If we use your words, then the previous title was the established title because it was established via stability. So perhaps you should consider rewording that statement or defining what stability means in this special case.

Re: Japanese diaspora

  • This debate is the most similar to the Nobel Prize in Economics debate but the editors in that discussion appeared to be genuinely interested in the content of the article and discussing the title rather than just giving a vote and leaving, as opposed to Nobel Prize in Economics, where the majority opposed to the move had actually not read the article or the corresponding Nobel Prize article as evidenced by their erroneous comments and how some of those who were opposed didn't participate in any discussion. If there had been say five or six editors who went to the Japanese diaspora discussion and simply posted that the current name is the common name, Google hit counts show that it is the common name, people would think they're on the wrong page with any other name, and then refused to listen to any other reason or simply left the conversation because they know they don't have to compromise (no consensus means no move), then you would have understood my frustration with this debate. Those who opposed the page move made no attempt that I can see to work towards a compromise.
  • I also proposed five different options for the page title in hopes of a compromise. One editor who wanted a page move (Wikidea) replied that my suggestions would be preferred over the current page title, while two opposed to the move (emerson7 and Anthon.Eff) refused to compromise. One probably did so just because I made the comment and we have a past history (emerson7). The rest never responded.
  • You should be satisfied with the results of Japanese diaspora as you stated that you would accept "any precise and correct title for this page over the current title." I hold the same position with Nobel Prize in Economics as I would accept any precise and correct title over the current title. Unfortunately, in this case there was no interest in working towards a compromise.

Re: Nobel Prize in Economics, Nobel Prize, and User:Vision Thing

  • Every single conversation I've had with User:Vision Thing about this topic has been evasive and similar to User talk:Vision Thing#Nobel Prize in Economics. Put yourself in my position and ask how long you would tolerate such replies/behavior before becoming frustrated? I've been putting up with it for about a week now, with the page move survey going on at the same time.
  • User:Vision Thing has, whether intentionally or not, simply disappeared for a few days and not replied to questions asked in Talk:Nobel Prize#Economics only to come back and say he's not convinced and to continue to present the same old evidence he's already given. Is that kind of behavior considered acceptable in Misplaced Pages?
  • He is also now discrediting information on the Nobel Foundation website saying that it's not a reliable source because it's a primary source, and can't be used in Misplaced Pages if there's no (alternative) "reliable source" that states the same thing. Really? The Nobel Foundation website is no longer a reliable source for info about the Nobel Prizes?

–panda 17:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Secondary sources are generally preferred, and all sides have noted inconsistencies in the Nobel Foundation website, so I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be the case here. That doesn't mean we can't mention the Nobel Foundation website and let readers decide for themselves how to interpret that information. It is better to discuss the issues than the users here, since it seems like the actions taking place here are in good faith. Dekimasuよ! 07:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments about your closing comments to the RFC? –panda 03:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I've read through the recent comments at Talk:Nobel Prize in Economics. I think that "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics" is a fair compromise and there is a reasonable chance that a request to move to that title could reach consensus. I don't have anything more to say about the previous close, but if you want, I will post a note at Talk:Nobel Prize in Economics to the effect that the outcome and timing of the previous RM shouldn't be used to invalidate a specific request to move to "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics". I'd advise you to make any request as narrow as possible to prevent rehashing the prior debate. Dekimasuよ! 05:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, please add a note to the talk page. But I still don't understand what your definition of stability is since it contradicts every definition I know for stability. –panda 15:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Nobel Prize and Talk:Nobel Prize

Hi Dekimasu. I guess we need some help on the Talk: Nobel Prize page. I'm going to stay away from the page for a while, since I've completely lost patience with –panda. But I would appreciate it if you could take a look at what is going on there, and give us some advice. I'm asking you since I know that –panda respects you, since he has previously sought out your opinion. Thanks. --Anthon.Eff 02:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

While you're at it, could you please take a look at the Nobel Prize page? At 17:34, 9 October 2007 User:Vision Thing did a complete revert of 17 edits (made by several different editors) for unexplained reasons. Asking him why he reverted 17 edits on his talk page hasn't generated much of a response. He has selectively replaced some of the text and very few of the references, including reintroducing references that did not support the statements they referred to. I may also ask another admin for comments on this as I know you're very busy and this has already taken up a lot of your time. –panda 18:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Vision Thing subsequently reintegrated several of the changes that were reverted. I agree that it's always better to leave edit summaries, but not leaving edit summaries isn't generally something we sanction editors for. If he reverts to a preferred version repeatedly, he may be in violation of the reversion policy, but one incident doesn't show that. Dekimasuよ! 07:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm having a bit of topic burnout here, and I can understand why other editors are having that problem. I respect the decision by Anthon.Eff to WP:DISENGAGE from the topic for a while, and I wonder if you would be willing to do so too. At this point, it is clear that there isn't a consensus for the changes you're advocating (admittedly, that argument could also be applied to editors on the other side of the argument). Misplaced Pages works much more smoothly and effectively through establishing consensus than when it has to resort to mediation or arbitration. Maybe one of the worst possible things to do is continue to argue until other users give up and go away. It might help to take on a more eventualist perspective. We don't have a deadline to get things right, and if you disengage from the situation for a while, fresh users may come in and decide that they agree with you after all. Dekimasuよ! 07:34, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Samulili

At Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Samulili, you stated that you were striking your oppose !vote, however I believe you may have inadvertently left yourself in the list which will still count as an oppose. I have fixed the formatting based on what I believe is your intent. Please revert my edit if I misunderstood. Ronnotel 13:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

My mistake. Thank you. Dekimasuよ! 13:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
no problem! :) Ronnotel 13:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks できます, for your participation in my Editor review. Your feedback has been very helpful in my recent edits. Once again, Thanks! --Hirohisat 07:34, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Nobel Prize in Chemistry

i don't know exactly what the procedure is, so i was wondering if you could assist with the discussion at Talk:Nobel Prize in Chemistry regarding bringing a close to the polling that has gone on for the better part of a month. --emerson7 15:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

My understanding is that article RfCs are just another way to find a consensus, so they can't be regarded as binding if no consensus is found. I don't think there's much chance that we can extract a consensus out of that RfC, although to me it seems like a really minor point to be arguing over. I would generally favor using the list from the Nobel site (relying on an outside source is a good way to avoid imbuing articles with our own points of view), but as noted in a bunch of other places here, the Nobel site seems to be inconsistent and self-contradictory - so is it really a reliable source? At any rate, if this can't be resolved by looking through the RfC and finding points to agree on, you may want to look at another dispute resolution process. Dekimasuよ! 06:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Requesting your help at Kayqubad I

Hi Dekimasu. Would you mind taking a look at the move request at Kayqubad I and its associated pages? Many editors have posted opinions, and we would appreciate your disinterested perspective on whether it is time to wrap things up. Thanks. Aramgar 22:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I think it's a good thing that another administrator closed the request, since this also acts as confirmation of my first close. I think it's certainly fine to add alternate names in bold at the beginning of the articles. Let me know if you need any more help! Dekimasuよ! 06:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
You are entirely correct. Thank you. Aramgar 16:45, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Dartmouth College

WikiProject Dartmouth College

As a current or past contributor to a related article -- or an alumnus/na of the College -- I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject Dartmouth College, a collaborative effort to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of the Dartmouth College. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! Dylan 19:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Request Page Move: Adrian L. Peterson

Could you move this page for us?

NEED HELP - have consensus. - WikiDon 17:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, WikiDon 17:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the page, but I added a caveat on the talk page. Usually page move discussions last a bit longer than that one. Dekimasuよ! 05:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Yes, but I think this one was pretty obvious, not likely to be much, if any, distention on this one. WikiDon 05:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Kilian Ignaz Dientzenhofer

Oops, you got it slightly wrong: "It has been proposed below that Kilian Ignac Dientzenhofer be renamed and moved to Kilian Ignaz Dientzenhofer." You deleted (07:37, 19 October 2007 Dekimasu (Talk | contribs) deleted "Kilian Ignaz Dientzenhofer" ‎ (deletion to make way for page move)) to make way, but then moved to Kilian Ignac Dientzenhofer, though. -- Matthead      O       05:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. Dekimasuよ! 05:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Image move request

You made a request at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves to fix the spelling of Image:Esente superbum.jpg, but that isn't one of the functions of that page. If you'd like to follow up on the change, please take a look at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves/Header#What can be moved? for more info. Thanks for your help! Dekimasuよ! 00:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the follow-up. I posted about this to the image contributor. ENeville 20:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Venetian Ceruse

Venetian Ceruse was the first title, then it was moved to Venetian ceruse without discussion, it is not possible to MOVE everything back once an article has been created unless the editor is an administrator. As you are an administrator, please MOVE everything back to the original article Venetian Ceruse as this is the correct capitalization, thank you. Chessy999 06:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I never used anything from Marvel Comics, I want you to advise, which sentences you find incorrect in the article that I wrote and I will change them, the version of the article YOU want to use is not very well written. Chessy999 13:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Thank you for adding the text here. First, the reference to the capitalized version of the name is unnecessary. We know that it is capitalized in some sources and not in others, and the one in question is unlikely to be considered a reliable source. The discussion asked us to make a decision about which capitalization to have the article at, and some other editors and I found the reasons for using the lowercase title more compelling. If you'd like, you can mention the capitalized spelling in the lede ("Venetian ceruse, sometimes capitalized as Venetian Ceruse"). Second, the phrasing you have used in the second and third sentences borrows too heavily from the second source. I'd suggest looking at examples of what constitutes improper paraphrasing, somewhere like this page (see examples 2 and 3). The intervening edits are questionable in terms of copyright problems and need not (more likely should not) be retained under the GFDL. I will likely clear the history there later. Dekimasuよ! 13:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Legendarium

I see what you mean. Unfortunately, we can't assume that everyone who links to legendarium in the future will be talking about the Tolkien term. What is needed is for a bot to go through the 1000+ Tolkien articles that link to legendarium, and change the links to point to Tolkien's legendarium. Then it should be OK to change legendarium to redirect to legendary (disambiguation). Would that work? Carcharoth 14:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)