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Thanks for the sig code suggestion!

I recently decided to make my signature more interesting and this was an experiment, your suggestions are great though. I'm going to go ahead and clean it up based on your advice. I owe you one! -- Atamasama 19:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing, no problem. If you come up with anything else, feel free to drop me a line and I can take a look at the code; I've got a pretty good track record of trimming down signatures that are hitting the maximum number of characters that the system allows. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirects

Can you delete Jon Richardson, comedian? It currently targets to the page I moved it to, Jon Richardson (entertainer)‎. I corrected all of the pages it linked to. None of these names carry such an article title. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirect deleted, though you did miss the one on Jon Richardson. All taken care of. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that. I'm exausted yet there's still so, so much to do. Think I'll stop for tonight. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

No worries, I've made similar mistakes. You can also tag pages with {{db}} and explain why it should be deleted, and someone will take care of it. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

What is this User:Malomeat/CO TIER LIST? A sandbox? I'm sure the user page is valid. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I have no clue what the hell that's supposed to be... Malomeat seems to be making actual edits, and as long as people are actively contributing to the encyclopedia, I'm inclined to give them a bit of leeway on their userspace, but that's just confusing. You could always ask them directly, I suppose. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Meta

Thanks, I learn something new every day. The truth is, I doubt anyone would ever leave me a message on Meta, but I'm kind of anal retentive extremely interested in having a very organized system in place. You have no idea how crushed I was when I discovered earlier today that for some reason, after getting it just so, I couldn't use this on Meta, Commons, Wiktionary, or really anywhere at all except on the English Misplaced Pages. --barneca (talk) 01:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

My userpage is almost exactly the same across 170+ accounts. Trust me, if anyone understands the desire to have all your userpages standardized, it's me. :D
Why can't you use that header elsewhere? I'm able to use m:User:EVula/header across everything (except non-WMF wikis), though it doesn't use the same imagemap format that yours does. EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know yet. I spent a bit of Friday, and much of this afternoon, simply playing in my userspace, a guilty pleasure I allowed myself for the first time in a long time. In a few days, I might borrow some of your header code and see if it's the imagemap stuff that's screwing it up. I can't remember where I stole this code from, I think from the standard admin icon, so there might be some en.wikipedia-specific stuff in there that I just don't understand (I have my suspicions about class="metadata topicon"). A lot of this syntax is pretty far over my head, and I'm just doing stuff by trial and error, learning as I go.
BTW: 170+ ?!?!?!? --barneca (talk) 03:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

By all means, borrow away; when I introduced my little wikimedian icon, it caught the attention of several other editors (like Alison and hmwith). Sharing is always a good thing. :)
The "metadata topicon" bit shouldn't affect the actual functionality of the header; those are just the CSS classes that, even though they aren't likely duplicated on other wikis, shouldn't be the breaking culprit. If you need any help sorting through your code, just drop me a line.
Yeah, 170+... I, uh, get around. *cough* I like maintaining interwiki links (the "in other languages" section to the side of some pages). Doing so takes me all over the place; why, just today, I created a Javanese account (though it was so I could do a grammar correction). EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Turns out (in retrospect, not terribly surprisingly) it was the "display:none" in the div style line. No idea why it was in there to begin with, except it was in whoever's admin icon code I stole. Also not sure why something marked "display:none" actually displays on w:en at all, but it doesn't matter: I've replaced all the code with a modfication from your icon, including the much cleaner {{click}} template. You're now imortalized in tiny print at the bottom of my user page. Thanks for your help. --barneca (talk) 18:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Can I borrow your matrix design @ meta?

I just registered there, gonna try to make the wikirounds to prevent impersonation. Since User:ArielGold credited you with her matrix design, I wanted to ask you in return. Many thanks, ~Eliz81 19:05, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely! Drop me a line (either here or on Meta) when you're done so I can add it to my links at the bottom. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Umm... yeah. I'm wikiformatting challenged. I think it's done?? . :) Thanks so much btw! Now time to create accounts and stop more spoofing. ~Eliz81 20:18, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion: you can get around the table of contents being in the matrix one of two ways. Either put __TOC__ before the table begins, or toss a heading up before the matrix begins (which is what I did, and will probably look better; all the headings of the matrix appear as sub-heads then). EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Phew. I'm now registered in over 140 wikipedias!! It's been so cool to get template welcome messages in so many languages, though a few have added English notes like "so what bring you here, English girl??" lol though not exactly in those words. I added the TOC thing and now it looks much better. Woo! ~Eliz81 00:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, but the trick is to have actually edited (outside your userspace) with all those accounts. Then you will have attained cross-wiki enlightenment. ;)
I do like getting welcomed in all the different languages, though I'm always pleasantly surprised when I get someone who's actually paid attention to my userpage and (a) responds only in English, and/or (b) acknowledges that I'm not a wiki-newbie at all. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Volapük Misplaced Pages

Hi EVula! I´ve recently seen your account (for dealing with interwiki link issues) at the Volapùk Misplaced Pages. Did you know, by the way, that there is a Proposal for Closing the Volapük Misplaced Pages? Maybe you could help us keep it by casting a vote there against this proposal -- if you think this is a good idea?... --Smeira 23:26, 23 tobul 2007 (UTC)

I've cast my vote for keeping the project open. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

David Q. Johnson

Can you look into this account? Fellow user JJJ999 called it a sockpuppet, but who is it a sock of? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

No clue; I'm actually relatively inexperienced when dealing with socks, and there aren't enough edits to really get a sense for who it is. They do indeed seem to have stopped editing, so there's no real reason to pursue it any further. EVula // talk // ☯ // 02:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

WTF?

Why is my page User:hmwith/sigs listed in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion? I can't find anything on the page that put it there... You can always help me out, so... WTF? нмŵוτнτ 23:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, linking to it here made your page show up too... нмŵוτнτ 23:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Put a ":" before a category name, otherwise it adds the page the link is on to the category. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

For what it's worth, though, I'm not sure why your sig page showed up there; by the time I responded, the category wasn't there anymore. Hrm. EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Returning spammer

Dai3tna is back, this time as the cleverly disguised User:Dai3tnacom. Same nonsense. --PMDrive1061 06:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

User already blocked, but I've expanded it so they can't create more accounts. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment

Hi EVula, I originally wrote this to respond to your comment here, but I wanted to be sensative to another editor because the situation I refer to is settled and I don't want to cause undue stress.

The most recent time I saw WP:D invoked, the response at ANI was disappointing. We should make sure the community doesn't appear to condone the use of the WP:D essay to attack other editors. I might not have as much of a problem with it, if that were to happen. But a couple of days ago on ANI, an editor complained of such a personal attack and exactly 1 other person took the time to rebuke its use in that manner (over at least 2 days). At about the same time, about 3-5 admins swooped in very quickly to defend the WP:D essay at MfD (Oh and I think 2 people at ANI took the time to tell the person complaining, that they were thin-skinned and whiny). Now the situation is resolved, and the editor realizes that he/she shouldn't have used it that way. . .but the way it went down was wrong.

I don't mean to complain to you specifically, just thought you might want to know where I'm coming from at the meta page. Take care, R. Baley 05:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, without any concrete details (which I certainly don't blame you for keeping to yourself), I can't respond too much to the situation. I understand that, yes, sometimes WP:DICK can be used antagonistically, but that's true for a lot more than that one particular essay; I've seen WP:NPA get thrown at admins that are simply voicing their opinions about editors.

The only reason that WP:DICK and WP:DOUCHE are so contentious, as far as I can tell, is because of the language used (heh, especially Cyde's essay). It is a position I am entirely unmoved by, which is why I've responded in the MfD the way I have. EVula // talk // ☯ // 08:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your response. Take care and happy editing, R. Baley 06:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Question

How exactly do I close deletion discussions that are ridiculous? It said delete the image because it was in the wrong article... so I moved it to the right article, and the discussion is now obsolete (no one's commented since the person who proposed it for deletion). Should I wait it out or just close it now per WP:SNOW or something? нмŵוτнτ 18:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd say that if the terms of the original deletion are obsolete and the discussion has died off, you can go ahead and close it per WP:SNOW (just make sure you cite it explicitly for the sake of full transparency). Toss {{ifd top}} and {{ifd bottom}} around the discussion. (sadly, as obviously-named as those templates are, I still have to hunt them down every time I need them) EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Deskana

I asked him a question here but he has a habit of not replying at times. Would you kindly answer it? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it got lost in the mix of other messages. I've deleted the pages (though you also could have just tagged them with {{db-u1}} and they would have been deleted not long afterwards). EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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Commons

Yup, that's me - need to figure out a way to template my userHeader and use it across projects I guess ;) Sherurcij 19:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You could go with my route: I use my Meta account to verify my (160+) accounts in my matrix, and then have all my userpages link back to that (via both a link in my header box and in the globe icon at the top right). Then all you have to do is the initial setup without making changes for every single account you create. Works out fairly well. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm being targeted

I don't know why but I've been targeted by trolls and possible sockpuppets lately, however, it seems to have stopped for now. Is it possible that this is the same person abusing usernames? I'm considering a CheckUser report. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think a CU request would be out of line at all in this case. I wouldn't be surprised if Shinobigai and Ken shoryuken were the same person. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I guess we shall see what happens next. Thanks for everything EVula. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

You know, my name is easier to type out than "{{PAGENAME}}". It's a full 7 characters less you have to type. ;P EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I keep forgetting to use "subst" when I do that. I have now fixed it. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi EVula, just now I need your help, please can you tell me what's wrong in this page, or if now does it satisfy the notability guideline? Please tell me it with simple words, I'm not very able in Misplaced Pages. thanks --Carlons 21:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be getting advice on your talk page. Probably for the best, as notability standards aren't my strength. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

re: RfA note

EVula, with all due respect (which is considerable, I might add): I gave it some thought beforehand and then went ahead and identically tagged each of those very similar opposes so as to (i) cry foul as vehemently as possible, out of fear that an admin might get away with this and that it might then create a precedent for other likewise inacceptable things; and (ii) to mark those opposes as being —for all relevant purposes— identical.

Reacting on a per RfA basis to Kurt Weber's "self-nom" 15 minutes, or Kelly Martin's "WikiProject endorsement" monomania wasn't any useful, imo. These "different" !votes don't each merit a different discussion on each of the RfA pages, since they are pointy and single-issue and have marginal relevance for any specific RfA. So I judged it appropriate to tag those comments rather than reacting to their validity case-by-case, with the secondary focus of informing others who had already begun to oppose per those comments.

Also, I do not believe this amounts to wikistalking or even assumption of bad faith, as Mikka suggested. I tried only to describe what I saw and what I think to be of immediate intersubjective "conveyability", namely that those are indeed disregardeable point votes.

You see, I don't care much for the wrong kind of sympathy. There's many ways to be nice, good ones and bad ones. And if an admin (who really should know better) feels compelled to start making point !votes on RfAs, there should be someone to —how formulate this as civilly as possible?— carefully pull the proverbial mop out their ass and politely beat them over the head with it.

Admin patience with normal user can grow thin, and they may then begin issuing blocks. My non-admin patience with admins can grow thin, too, but there is virtually nothing I could do. Post to ANI? Forget it. Been there, done that. It never carries any fundamental consequences. So the only opportunity to cry foul is to do it in situ.

Further, looking around a bit, things like , , , and make me believe that the RfA comments are not such a totally isolated incident, after all. I've seen non-admins blocked for less. For example myself. Indef. Twice. Without warning. And those blocks were justified. — Dorftrottel⁠ 16:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Btw: I suppose you saw this? I read that as announcing a WP:POINT violation which may justify a preventative block. Then again, I may not know policy as well as the average admin, and it's not my call anyway. — Dorftrottel⁠ 17:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Trust me, I didn't leave you that message because I disagreed with you... heh, not at all (just as I agree that stuff like Kurt's "self-nom" argument was, in a word, bullshit). I consider Mikkalai's edits to be highly pointy and borderline trolling, not to mention incredibly counter-productive (and that's not even to mention the fact that I personally disagree with the assessment). But at the end of the day, Mikkalai is a member of the community and as such is welcome to voice their opinions/concerns in RfAs (just as long as they're aware that their comments are open to discussion).

I'm just saying that your messages seem to exacerbate the situation, which is incredibly unfortunate, as I believe you are both (a) right, and (b) well within your right to flag potentially disruptive !votes in RfAs that seemingly have ill-will behind them. (as I consider the RfA process to be both a discussion and a community decision, I support the ability for regular users to call into question any !votes, supporting or opposing)

In short, it's just a shitty situation, and one that I think can best be handled by allowing someone to hang themselves, rather than taking an active role. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I will heed your advice and log out for the rest of the day. I just joined the mages guild anyway and now I'm going to settle some scores with my all-new mage's staff... :-D Best regards, — Dorftrottel⁠ 18:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Man, I wish every minor dispute over RfAs could be resolved by the involved parties playing video games instead. Things would move much easier if everyone learned from your example. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

MonoBook

Best Regards! Thank you EVula. --CyclePat 18:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure, glad I could help. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/The Haunted Angel 2

Well I answered to your first comment without fully registering that it not only JackRm but also another edit of yours that caused the conflict. I'll now sleep over this. --Tikiwont 19:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Works for me. I'm watching the RfA closely (as I strongly believe that THA would make a good admin), so I'll see your response. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

You know THA better and I find this all unfortunate. One quality seems to be a "thick skin" that will help him in some areas but was also according to others uncalled for here. An I am disappointed with the reactions to the repeated suggestions that there might be a problem. It is just one thing, but also the only concern he has been asked to consider. Nevertheless, I struck a maybe too harsh part of my comment, but am not sure if further comments from me are necessary or would help. And your collection of grammar related userboxes would certainly improve if you replace the current "Grammar Nazi" one with one of the available alternatives. --Tikiwont 08:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I finally noticed the alternative grammar userboxes ({{User:Coldacid/Userboxes/Grammar Nazi}}, {{User:Joseph/ubx/grammar nazi}}, and {{User Grammar nazi}})... I disagree that my collection would improve.
I find it interesting that there's not one, not two, but three different Grammar Nazi userboxes. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Questions

These redirects, Trunks dragon ball and Trunks dragon ball z, are they potentially useful? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure, being unfamiliar with the whole Dragon Ball mythos, but they appear to be "lazy search redirects", which I personally consider mildly valid. They certainly aren't hurting anything, at worst. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to ask if this was a personal attack. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The grammar is bad enough that it's reasonable to assume that the "12 year old" comment was in reference to themselves. :) I'd assume good faith on this one, if only because it's not actually worth the energy to chastise them over; sometimes a light touch is better than a heavy-handed one. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I've been trying to remove an uncivil comment from the DBZ talk page but the user keeps re-adding it , . It may or may not be targeted to anyone but the tone is quite innapropiate IMHO. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The comment is mildly antagonistic, yes, but removing the comment repeatedly can be seen as antagonistic from his point of view. I'd let it stand; sometimes the best reaction to borderline incivility is to ignore it (sometimes people are dicks just to get a rise out of people; by refusing the get riled up, you effectively cut them off at the legs. I'm not saying that that's the situation here; just some general advice). EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you delete this image? I don't think source information is able to be placed long after the image's creation, but I could be wrong. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:40, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I think you missed this thread. (See above) {^_^} Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, sure did. I'm just so popular to talk to, it causes problems... :)
There's no time limit on when a source can be provided, so it's fine to just leave the image alone for now. No need to hurry it right along; it might find a home in the next seven days. *shrug* EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Quelle thespian

I do comedy, and stand-up when I get over my nervousness (things where I'm doing other people's words, I haven't the slightest nervousness about, and my own words *written*, I'm very confident about, but *performing my words* always gives me a huge bout of 'what if they don't LIKE ME?' worries). Thespian was, also, a shapeshifting superhero character I played about 23 years ago in a roleplaying game, and is a near-anagram of my real name. I've used it online since I was 13 or 14, and first logged into bbses ;-) --Thespian 05:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

As badly as I flubbed a good portion of my lines at tonight's rehearsal, I'm afraid I can't relate to the "I'm fine with other peoples' words" bit. :) Cool that you do standup, though; it's something I admire, but I just don't think I can do it (I'm a funny guy, but I generally need something to work with; the thought of just standing there actively trying to be funny is mildly horrifying).
Interesting how sometimes names can come from one place and stick with you for a very long time... "EVula" was a name of a computer disk (yes, I named them... I was young) that just happened to be sitting next to me when I first signed onto the website for Escape Velocity back in 97 or 98. I've been using it everywhere ever since. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I recently did a 'Your Ideal Profession' test, and it told me, #3 of so, that I should be a 'stand-up comic'. I've been working with a friend, a professional comic, to see if I can possibly work that into an opening for my next little attempt; "I'm here...because the computer told me to be." --Thespian 06:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, maybe you could do a little stand-up routine the next time Wikimania is state-side. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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rollback

I am reverting your edits, you put an oppose in the support section. Anyway I was formatting the comments not changing them, you have also removed my oppose. The sunder king 15:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't tell me what I meant by my !vote; it was a joke, which I consider fairly obvious. Regardless of that fact, you de-indented several discussion comments, which artificially inflated the opposition section. If you revert my edits, I will revert you right back and block; you're disrupting the RfA process with your misguided editing. (cross-posted comment on both users' talk pages to ensure it is seen)EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It was an accident! sorry I miscalcuated I never meant to rig the RFA or anything, but you can't threaten to block me, read WP:BLOCK by the way I've been on the project for months and made thousands of edits, I am no vandal. The sunder king 15:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I threatened the block because you're disrupting Misplaced Pages, which is covered in the block policy. It's one thing to make a mistake, but it's another to willingly make that mistake again after being warned by an administrator not to do it again. Your revert came before my warning, so I'm not blocking you, but you shouldn't format comments if you don't know what you're doing. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

No I am not, it was an accidental misreading of the RFA which lead to me making a misleading edit by accident, I am an experienced editor and I do not wish to disrupt. Anyway I've stopped. The sunder king 15:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

That you stopped is my only concern. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Somethings wrong, why did you put a "oppose" in the support section, and why did riana support the RFA saying "shameless troll"??? and other people are reporting for silly reasons, what's going on? The sunder king 15:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Riana and I both know Gurch well enough to crack jokes with him (well, Riana probably does; I don't know Gurch personally, but I enjoy making jokes on RfAs on occasion). EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

changed to support now, I relised he can be a big help ;). The sunder king 16:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Groovy! I'm glad you reconsidered; I personally think he'll be a great help to the project. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the laugh...

"(→User-reported - manually removing Evilblood4, who has already been blocked (suck it, bot!))". Into The Fray /C 16:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Just gotta celebrate any time you can beat the bots. :D EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Response

For a reason which wasn't very smart on my part (I was being lazy, and didn't want to do something I should have done). I fixed it. --əˈnongahy ♫Look What I've Done!♫ 22:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, groovy. I've certainly done stuff like that before, so I've got no room to talk. :D EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Grammar Nazi userbox

Hi. I'd like to respond here to your comments from the THA Rfa. First, I'm not quite clear why you are ridiculing people's concerns. ("pathetically ridiculous") Sure, I hear that you yourself don't take it seriously. However, because some voters are concerned that THA did not take the issue seriously enough, or at least deal w/it efficiently, doesn't it undermine THA's candidacy for one of THA's main allies to not take it seriously too? I can imagine your frustration, esp since THA may well deserve to be an admin. However, for what it's worth, from my perspective your comment is to the candidate's detriment.

Second, I'm curious about your own userbox. You've drawn attention to it twice. Since some people are offended by it, and consider it inappropriate for an admin, do you plan to delete it or under what circumstances you would do so? (I've worded it this awkward way because I'm uncertain that I would request this myself.) Thanks for your consideration. Pls reply on my Talk, if you don't mind. HG | Talk 20:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I've drawn attention to it twice because everyone has said stuff along the lines of "I can't believe you'd run for adminship with that box", when I did the very thing with no problem whatsoever. Even well after becoming an admin (coming up on a full year), that userbox has never once been an issue. That is why I have such a flippant attitude towards the whole situation; it's a little thing that's gotten blown waaaay out of proportion (in my opinion). Opposing because of THA's reaction to the situation? That's different. But to the userbox's mere existence, and the vague and nebulous idea that somehow it will make THA a less effective administrator? Absurd.

As for whether I'd take it down, I'd have to say pretty adamantly that I would not, unless I was presented with evidence that it disrupted the project. If I had such evidence, I would take it down immediately. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The distinction you draw (between THA's reaction and the presence of the userbox) is important, but I didn't sense that it wasn't drawn so clearly in your recent comment. I gather that your second answer suggests a fairly high hurdle. That is, presumably something could be considered offensive or uncivil without disrupting the project, right? In any case, thanks for your straightforward responses. HG | Talk 21:58, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I suppose it is a rather high hurdle, as I can't imagine an example of a single userbox hidden away in someone's userspace disrupting the project. I think the clearest distinction between my use of the box and THA's is that his was front-and-center on his userpage, while mine was on a subpage, and is surrounded by other grammar-related boxes (if it were on, say, my interests or personal subpages, I could more readily understand confusion over its purpose).

At most, I think that, once he removed the box, the whole thing should have been a dead issue. Concerns that it would be misconstrued by new users are perfectly valid, in my opinion, but to question THA's judgement for having ever used the box is blowing the problem out of proportion. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough and, for what it's worth, I agree that context/placement is relevant. Be well. HG | Talk 22:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

My recent RfA

Thank you for participating in my recent RfA. Although the voting ended at 36/22/5, there was no consensus to promote, and the RfA was unsuccessful. I would like the thank you nonetheless for supporting me during the RfA, and hope that any future RfA’s proceed better than this one did. Again, I thank you for your support. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 02:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Riana

Geez. You know you've been on Misplaced Pages for way too long when even those you thought you'd see around forever start to go. :-( Thanks for telling me. I hope you're not thinking of leaving too. Best regards, Húsönd 02:40, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I think about it from time to time, but I think I'm in it for the long haul. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Respectfully, on your oppose of Hdt

I would respectfully ask you to reconsider your oppose on Hdt's RfA. You call it "knee-jerk" and I would agree. His contribs throw up no real flags, and he seems a very friendly and civil fellow. As adminship is "no big deal", and this good editor is right on the line (68-70% right now), I'd respecfully ask you to reconsider your oppose. I've appreciated your contributions to other RfA's, and I know that you do not just canvas them with opposes. As such, I felt like you might be open to reconsidering your vote, based upon the fact that Hdt DID wait nearly 3 months this time, racked up 3000+ edits in the process, and is in general not a problem editor. Also, for the record, I am not a Wikifriend of his or anything like that. I'd never interacted with him prior to this RfA. I'm just an editor of the project, concerned with the fact that good editors are often being denied adminship. Thanks in advance for any time you spend taking another look at your vote on Hdt83. K. Scott Bailey 13:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Hdt83 mentions that being open to constructive criticism is an important trait in an administrator (which is absolutely true). However, I see absolutely no evidence that Hdt83 paid any mind to the numerous calls that he not self-nominate again. To quote myself from his previous RfAs:

• (Neutral - RfA #2) "3. I'm sorry, I just can't quite get behind this RfA. Barely any time has passed since your last RfA, and while I have no doubt that someone can immediately turn their attentions to their own limitations, only time can tell if their attempts will actually bear fruit ; without this time having elapsed, the complaints in your first RfA still stand (in my opinion). The canvassing bit that tennisman pointed out is also mildly disturbing; unless you've worked with that editor in a training capacity (for example, Husond provided me solid advice in my editor review, and so I dropped him a note when my RfA took flight), I don't think it was proper. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)"
• (Oppose - RfA #3) "19. You're waiting about a month between RfAs, despite the fact that numerous people have mentioned that you need to give it more time. You really need to be more receptive to feedback, especially when you volunteer yourself for it (as happens in an RfA). Stop self-nominating every month , and concentrate on improving the project for a couple of months before coming back here. At this point, you're just pissing away any good will that you're building up. EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)"

Several other editors also voiced their opinions that Hdt83 shouldn't self-nominate again, but instead wait for someone to nominate him. While yes, he did go out and keep working on the project like I suggested, that's also something that's to be expected from any RfA candidate, and so isn't particularly extraordinary. Fact is, he's being given sound advice from multiple users (and I would consider advice on adminship from admins something that any candidate should pay close attention to), and he's (apparently) disregarding it. I don't consider that a particularly constructive stance to take, and so I've opposed the RfA, and don't feel the need to retract my !vote. I do appreciate you dropping me a line, though. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

Haha, well it's the thought that counts, right? :) Actually, odd that you left me a message right as I was looking at your userpage. I saw a pretty blatant impersonator of yours that wasn't listed in the impersonators section, so I took the liberty of adding them myself. GlassCobra 07:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, I'm aware of that one, but I'd left it off on purpose. *shrug* It was originally to not have my real name right out there, but considering I link to my IMDB listing (and I've been addressed by my real name by vandals before), it's a moot point. Thanks for adding it. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 07:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, my bad, I should have figured you left it out on purpose, my fault. By the by, seeing as you do know me from various other intarnetz places (EV-Nova.net, Ambrosia, your old forums), do I qualify for inclusion in the "folks that I know from elsewhere" section? :) GlassCobra 07:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I... but... wait, what's the username that I would know you best by? I just did a search for "GlassCobra" on the ASW boards but got nothing... at any rate, if you're a former Lair dweller (gee, I really should update the site sometime...), by all means, add yourself. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 07:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't go by this name anywhere but here. On all those other places, I just went by Guest. Not really sure why, but I'm sure it drove everyone crazy. Heh. :) GlassCobra 08:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, now that name I do recognize. Yes yes, you definitely deserve to add yourself (just make sure you add the comment that you're Guest; I'm likely to forget, and go "why the hell is GlassCobra listed?" :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 08:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Right, all done! Thanks very kindly for the vote on my RfA, and also congrats on hitting 22k! Personally, I can't even comprehend having that many... GlassCobra 08:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

If someone had told me that, after correcting a typo on my (then) girlfriend's high school's Misplaced Pages article would have led to twenty-two thousand en.wp edits, adminship on three wikis (coming up on the 1-year mark here on en.wp), and accounts on more than 160 different WMF wikis (not to mention editing in roughly 90 different languages), I would have told them that they were crazy. Instead, I just tell people that I'm crazy. EVula // talk // ☯ // 08:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, sometimes I still have a tough time wrapping my brain around even my 5,000, but...anyhow, I'm glad we've got really dedicated (if a tad crazy) people like you around! I've got to get a little shuteye, as I've got work tomorrow, but nice catching up with you, and feel free to drop me a line anytime! GlassCobra 08:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)