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This page was created in response to the existence of Pejorative terms for Germans. The encyclopedic value of both may be questionable. M123 06:04, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

how is that for an argument. "Someone criticize me so I go hit someone else head". How mature !

Because it is american centred.

And to show my displeasure about unrespect.

Not liking content is not a valid reason to remove it. InanimateCarbonRod 17:03, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)

You are confused. My displeasure is not about this paragraph. It is about the existence of the article. Especially its existence alone. It is about NPOV as a global term on wikipedia. Such as the multiplication of anti-french article, with a comparative non existence of some other countries, or just poor coverage even of the US.

Besides, I fear it will always stay that way, because this project is in english. So that make sense that american people list all the offending english terms they give french people, but that does not make sense that french people create a similar list with french terms to qualify americans.

Last, precisely, why this paragraph ? Just because it is a perfect exemple of an american-centrist article, where it is mentionned when an offending term is used in the another country than US (here GB), but where just mentionning who is using a term when it is in American is not *even* worth mentionning. In short, this article is plain biaised, because it tries to make believe the whole world is using that term, when in reality it is only some americans. I guess americans can not even see why it is worth mentionning this.

I would like all the french and the german articles to be merged in a more general article, which title could be something like Offensive terms per nationality or anything better but meaning this. It is a bit easy to talk of commnunity decision, when the highest majority of people is not concerned by such articles. There are only two articles, one on french, one on german. Curiously, only two people against, the french and the german. All the others claiming there is no issue at all. Of course :-) But do anything similar with any other social group well represented on Misplaced Pages, such as homosexual, you will assist to an uproar and severe campaign for deletion. Well, I am not offered this. The french and the german are left with these two articles, and we find them offensive as such. I would like that other people opinions are taken into consideration, not just thrown away because they are minorities. So, I suggest that these two articles are merged into a general one; so that at list the offending title disappear.

I think that merging the offensive french and offensive german pages might be a good idea as it may at least add balance when other nationalities are added. I don't understand why you keep removing the second paragraph. If the term is used mainly in the US, simply add that fact, don't remove the whole paragraph on that basis. It seems that you are emotionally involved in this page, however I hope this situation won't cloud rational judgements on content. InanimateCarbonRod 17:48, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)

No, I am little emotionally involved in the topic, so I fear little problem. However, I saw these articles be quietly forgotten just because the majority does not care about them. I just do what I think may trigger an answer from anyone, while my opinion and the german one did not interest anyone of vfd. I would be glad of a merging, but am not sure what the best title would be.

I am not sure Offensive terms per nationality is a proper title. I would like someone to comment on this one, or to suggest something. To avoid renaming all these pages 3 or 4 times with different titles. Basically no one seems interested in answering me; so I will keep reverting till someone has a suggestion to offer.

Fine. I am sure this title is not english proper. But since nobody suggested a better one, this is it.

You (plural) have now succeeded in hiding the content of those former separate pages so that the uninitiated are unlikely ever to find it, as it seems that double redirects do not work. Also, the euphemistic term "informal" crops up again. It is not "informal" to call Germans the names mentioned here, it is offensive. Why you seem unwilling to call a spade a spade I do not know, but it is the words themselves which are offensive, not the existence of an article or several articles about them. --KF 08:37, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)

It may seem more "consistent", but I don't believe getting something wrong just for the sake of uniformity is a good idea. (See my comment above.) I did not change the other subheadings because I don't know enough about the terms listed there. Also, is it "consistent" to have "offensive" in the title then? --KF 08:07, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Okay, so it's "offensive" now throughout the article. That's much better I think. --KF 08:28, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Hmmm...My feeling is that most terms are not necessarily offensive. For example I call myself a kraut without feeling offended. The title is probably not very precise, especially the use of the word offensive. Anyway, it does not make too much difference to mee either way. --Chris_73 11:58, 31 Oct 2003 (Japan Time)