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Hello!!!! I'm currently working on the solar energy page and sometimes learning the hard way as you can see below. I've highlighted my favorite parts. Is it called wikistalking or wikarassment? I've decided it's definitely wikistalking. If you have advice on how to rid yourself of a stalker please leave it.

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Solar power

I asked again for semi-protection at WP:RFPP. Don't quite know why this page attracts so much silliness. Thanks for putting so much time into the page BTW. Itsmejudith 15:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Best Wishes

You're doing well on the solar power article. You actually make logical arguments and seem to understand energy.

Now quickly! Make lots of edits on everything related to solar power, do it before the fanatics and dreamers revert your edits and dishearten you into giving up. There's a reason why nearly all the quality writing on wikipedia is done by newcomers, and you may only last a week before you discover it.

Would you consider adding to the criticisms of solar? The book "The Solar Fraud" is a rare source of criticism. EROEI based arguments would be nice. Fundamental problems of low power density, EROEI cost and $ cost of all the wires, converters, etc. Perhaps refute the solar advertising figures that make solar seem far cheaper than it actually is by neglecting wiring costs, disregarding maintenance, inflating expected life, etc. The true believers are sure to warp any article on solar energy into "just around the corner" fantasies, so you can't add too many facts or write too many rational sentences. Good luck! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.94.24 (talk) 11:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

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Solar power

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You appear to be a space cadet.Mrshaba 18:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Be nice.

Please stop making test edits to Misplaced Pages, as you did to solar power. It is considered vandalism, which, under Misplaced Pages policy, can lead to blocking of editing privileges. If you would like to experiment again, please use the sandbox. Please note that in your case your edits are not vandalism, but are also not always done in an appropriate manner. Your contribution to Misplaced Pages is welcomed, but must be done in a manner that respects other editors.

Please do not make changes to the first paragraph of solar power without making a proposal on the talk:solar power discussion page and getting consensus from other editors first. Your recent edit indicates a lack of respect for a specific request by another editor to discuss changes before making them. Honest, it won't hurt to make your proposed changes on the talk page. It will help.

You and I are both skating perilously close to violating WP:3RR

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199.125.109.134 00:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I wrote the intro. It had been barely touched in the last year and improvements were required. I wish I could've have written it right the first time but such is not the case. It certainly seems to be getting there.

I've been carrying on an assault of the solar power page lately while fighting a rear-guard action with you. There was some battlefield triage that had to take place. There were casualties but I tried to save what I could. I have found your contributions to be mostly odd or trollish but strangely inspiring. I've tried my best to keep it clean despite the arsenal of profanity I acquired during my naval service. I expect to get some air support from the other contributors shortly.

Joe: Did you just see that Bob?
Bob: Holy smokes Joe! That's what you'd call a themed paragraph there.

I have found concensus from some absolutely awesome solar experts. Francis de Winter is a 4 time chairman of the American Solar Energy Society and member of the Solar Energy Hall of Fame. And we talked about Buckminster Fuller and good books. How awesome is that!!! And Scott Sklar and Proffessor Beckmanis are no lightweights. I have to thank you IP address person for inspiring me to reach out to the solar community.Mrshaba 01:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I was just thinking... Can you believe there's a Solar Energy Hall of Fame?Mrshaba 02:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about. Why wouldn't there be a hall of fame? There may even be two of them.
If Scott wants to edit Misplaced Pages he is welcome to do so. Consensus refers only to consensus among Misplaced Pages editors, and while we are all influenced by outside "experts" there may be other issues that are specific to Misplaced Pages that need to be addressed. Like discussing controversial or reverted changes instead of creating what is called an edit war by simply putting back your own favorite flavor of an article. The nice thing about Misplaced Pages is that anyone can edit it, and you can create a stub article with just one line and thousands of others over the years will step in and fill it out for you. It is curious that you focus only on one article. There are two million other articles that need attention, why spend all your time on this one? Your first edit was a year ago, on guess what, solar power, although you could have made other edits before you registered.
The basic process in Misplaced Pages is be bold, make an edit, you can't break anything, but if anyone doesn't like your edit, they may revert it, and the process then is to discuss a compromise on the article talk page instead of just reverting the revert. I assure you I am as interested as you are in "moving forward", however the way forward is to reach consensus first. By the way, where were you the week that the GA was put on hold for having too short a lead? 199.125.109.10 13:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not above the consensus of the community at large.Mrshaba 00:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I never said it was. However no one is going to write our articles for us. We have to write them, and the way we do is to be bold, and if someone doesn't like what we write for whatever reason, discuss on the talk page and come up with a consensus. 199.125.109.104 04:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Not vandalism

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Your passive aggressive harassment is tiring. You have not shown that you can think rationally about this subject. You've brought up space colonies. You have no respect, no clue, no coherence and your edits have repeatedly screwed up the page. Futher edits that screw up the page will be tagged as vandalism.Mrshaba 06:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh? All of my edits are carefully thought out and you are clearly the one who has no respect, and no clue. For one brief moment you copied a proposal to the talk page, but then went right back to your arrogant old ways of blatantly ignoring requests to discuss changes. Now get with the program and use the process. Tagging edits as vandalism indicates a lack of understanding of what vandalism is. Which is why I explained it to you. I have no intention of harassing anyone for anything. I do however care about the solar power article providing an accurate representation of solar power. 199.125.109.104 06:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
This isn't about the name of the article, which is "solar power". It's about having a photo of the earth to describe solar power, which is just absurd. Coal/Oil/Natural Gas etc. are used all over the world, why don't you put a photo of the earth from space at the top of the Coal article? That would make just as much sense as having it here. Look, this is Misplaced Pages, which gets edited by the consensus of all editors. If you want to write a book about solar energy, have at it, and feel free to use this article on solar power as a source, and put a photo of the earth on the cover too. Do you honestly think that an article about what powers the mars rover needs a photo of the earth as the lead photo? You may think the photo is boring, but I happen to think that it is a very good illustration of where solar power comes from, the sun. If in fact you are just experimenting I would suggest that you use the sandbox instead. Something you may not be aware of is that in a few hundred years or so there will be more people living off of the planet in space colonies than on the planet, using guess what, solar power in the form of guess again, photovoltaics. No one has agreed to change the name of the article and even if it was changed solar power and solar energy both need to be in bold as close to the beginning of the article as practical. Your distinction between power and energy is highly questionable. I would suggest that someone with a physics background sort the two out. 199.125.109.104 03:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


Solar power

The image of the solar flare was unidentifiable, it looked as much like a volcano as the sun. The image of a satellite seems to imply that all the solar power the earth uses comes from the satellite. The original sun photo is now working again as apparently the issue with the commons has now been fixed, and it can be used again. Please participate in the discussion as to what wording to use for the first paragraph instead of making edits to the article that are not approved.

Propose, discuss, obtain consensus, then use. Not: use, get reverted, ignore, get reverted again, as has been the pattern. 199.125.109.104 17:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear IP address,

The pictures are nothing but fabulous. You keep screwing up the page and I'll keep fixing it. Mrshaba 18:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

All I can say is "chill out". The following was moved from your IP talk page to make it easier to find. 199.125.109.134 22:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

You have not contributed significantly to the page. Your contributions have been repeatedly disruptive and harassing. You've concentrated on one paragraph over and over again. You've recycled material that has been moved elsewhere. I'm extremely tired of your passive aggressive nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.246.143 (talk) 22:02, 23 September 2007

Nonsense. I have made many significant contributions to this and hundreds of other articles. You however are fixated on taking ownership of this one article. You need to revert your reverts or face being accused of sockpuppetry. 199.125.109.134 22:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

By the way I'm not going to waste my time looking up what warning to give you this time. The real problem is your not accepting the fact that WP:OWNING an article is a problem. You need to read it. Also, you need to understand the process of WP:Consensus, please review the flowchart on that page. First make an edit, then if it is rejected discuss until a new consensus can be obtained, and by consensus we mean only among Misplaced Pages editors. Then if consensus is obtained, the new edit can be used. Until then an old version must be used whether anyone likes that version or not. The step you are skipping time and time again is "Find a reasonable (if temporary) compromise." Reverting a revert creates what is called an edit war and goes nowhere. 199.125.109.38 03:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

You are a troll.Mrshaba 18:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Name calling won't help you. You are simply not making any sense in your dogged insistence that only your edits can be used in your article. 199.125.109.41 20:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


Deleting comments

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Solar power

I see that you figured out how to use strikeout, as in the section, GA nominee, but it is only your own comments that you get to strikeout, normally it would be considered rude to retract someone elses remarks. I'm not going to push the point but I thought I should warn you so that you don't do it again. 199.125.109.136 14:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous user: I respectfully request that you back the hell off. I find your constant finger waving just-so-you-know remarks cowardly given the fact that you do so under the veil of anonymity. I also view your recent redirects of solar energy to solar power as malicious behavior given the circumstances. See also: Mrshaba 16:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Calm down. No one is harassing you. 199.125.109.57 04:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You are. Leave me alone. Mrshaba 08:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. My view is that polite disagreements are one of the joys of Misplaced Pages - don't know if you agree. I hadn't seen your user page before - I enjoyed reading it and wish you all the best for your new start in Vancouver. With regard to your question, the article is supposed to belong to WikiProject Physics and I think it is there that we should go for guidance. If we were to start a straw poll on the simple question of whether the article should be renamed or not then that would formalise the process a little and give previously-uninvolved people of goodwill an easy way to add their tuppence-worth. We can also put in a general request for a third opinion if necessary. Procedures like Request for Comment seem to me to be unnecessarily directed towards edit wars and that is not really what we have here - not yet anyway! Itsmejudith 16:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Just be careful to avoid WP:Canvassing, and that you present the issue in a neutral point of view and do not attempt to influence the outcome. Have you thought of asking for a WP:MENTOR? A lot of the issues that you are running into are just simple Misplaced Pages things that anyone could help you with. I realize that I have been involuntarily mentoring you. Pick someone else. 199.125.109.43 19:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm going to briefly hop into the discussion at Solar power soon, and wanted to thank both Mrsheba and Itsmejudith for all their helpful comments and work. i haven't been around WP any longer than Mrsheba so i am no expert. Can I encourage 199.125.109.57 to log in? My experience is that anonymous input is not very well received when debate intensifies. It looks to me like Mrsheba has been doing some hard work, while still learning the ropes of etiquette etc, and has encountered more turbulence than he might have expected (I was certainly pretty surprised when I read the discussion page :-)) The points being made all seem fair enough to me, but I just find that when things get to this level of intensity, logging in to contribute tends to be an important part of maintaining good faith. Mind you, I was hanging around the Talk:John Howard page for a while and civility doesn't get a look-in there, anonymous or otherwise! :-) Mrsheba, I think you can assume good faith on the part of our anonymous friend. My experience has been that on pages where there is a lot of activity, the discussion gets pretty direct, particularly from experienced editors, often with references to Misplaced Pages policies as explanations for what they are doing. I think that is all that's going on. You've done some careful and detailed work on the Solar power talk page and I would commend it to some of the discussants at some other pages I visit as one of the better quality discussions of issues with an article. Best wishes all. hamiltonstone 01:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I have no interest in purchasing an account. That's my standard answer. I also have no interest in creating or using an account. I will continue to do whatever can be done by an unregistered user. I appreciate the help from registered users to do the things that I can't do, like create pages and upload images. I started using Misplaced Pages less than a year ago, mostly because it just wasn't very reliable. Recently I have contributed to over 200 articles and done over 500 edits. One reason I don't register is to let everyone know that not every good contribution comes from registered users. 199.125.109.43 05:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Get out... get off... go away... Your mission is mindless. Mrshaba 06:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

PV & power v energy

You kindly asked for my 2c worth. Time prevents me from giving those questions as much thought as they deserve, but I've added my briefly considered reaction to the discussion page - I hope it's additive. You might want to pull more from photovoltaics in transport into the article. As for rewriting the PV section, I will be essentially offline for a few weeks, but if it needs doing I'll gladly have a shot at it.--Oldboltonian 21:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I saw your discussion with Johnfos concerning transportaion. I intend to rework the transportation section and pull the train example in. We'll see if I get to photovoltaics. Regardless of what I do, I'd appreciate your continued insight in the Photovoltaic sections. Mrshaba 22:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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Solar power

The lead section is under discussion on the talk page and any proposals should be made there, not to the article. Your edits are disruptive. Please read WP:Dispute resolution, which states, "Never carry on a dispute on the article page itself." 199.125.109.41 16:27, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Solar Power

Hey... I wasn't trying to be too precise or clever but no worries. Do you like the pictures in the lead? That's what I'd like to know. Mrshaba 22:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mrshaba, wasn't meaning to be too critical, just that captions are better to be simpler. I like the pictures! --SmokeyJoe 22:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of being too critical, if you feel that I have been too critical, then I apologize. Each of us is too valuable a contributor to waste by offending them. I can assure you that I have one rule in editing, which I try not to stray too far from, which is if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is broke, then do fix it. 199.125.109.38 06:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Please stop assuming ownership of articles such as solar power. Doing so may lead to disruptive behavior such as edit wars and is a violation of policy, which may lead to a block from editing. 199.125.109.27 16:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Ownership examples

Article changes by different editors are reverted by the same editor for an extended period of time to protect a certain version, stable or not. (This does not include removing vandalism.) I'm only reverting your edits. You are taking good content off the page.
An editor comments on other editors' talk pages with the purpose of discouraging them from making additional contributions. The discussion can take many forms; it may be purely negative, consisting of threats and insults, often avoiding the topic of the revert altogether. At the other extreme, the owner may patronize other editors, claiming that their ideas are interesting while also claiming that they lack the deep understanding of the article necessary to edit it. You are not bringing good content to my talk page either.
...address the topic and not the actions of the editors. If this fails, proceed to dispute resolution, but it is important to communicate on the talk page and attempt to resolve the dispute yourself before escalating the conflict resolution process. You are avoiding direct simple questions. You are not addressing the topic. Mrshaba 17:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
No you are not only reverting my edits, you are reverting everyone's edits other than yours. The last three edits you reverted were made by someone else. You have mentioned a couple of times that you wanted help and that you were seeking a mentor. All you need to do is add {{subst:dated adoptme}} to the top of your user page to find one. 199.125.109.27 19:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Applying the duck rule to you, Nailedtooth and Sunny Planet indicates you are probably all one in the same. Your mission is mindless. Leave me alone space cadet. Mrshaba 19:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I can not speak for either of the above, but I can state emphatically that I am not either of them. Please refrain from personal attacks. Calling people names won't help them edit better. 199.125.109.27 19:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
You lost me when you said this. "Something you may not be aware of is that in a few hundred years or so there will be more people living off of the planet in space colonies than on the planet, using guess what, solar power in the form of guess again, photovoltaics." I must admit it gives me a giggle but I cannot take what you say seriously. This is why I call you Space cadet Space cadet. I can't assume good faith on your part any longer because you've been harassing me for 3 or 4 weeks now and vandalizing the page. I tried to be nice. I've asked you to go away but you keep coming back. Henceforth, if you keep coming back you will be known as Space cadet Space cadet. ta ta Mrshaba 20:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Unless I choose to register that as a username it is clearly regarded as a derogatory name and is uncalled for. I don't call you Homer Simpson. 199.125.109.27 20:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Man-o-man... I tell you what Space Cadet... I sure hope we get to Mars soon. I can't wait to go prospectin' for some of that there Martian dust. Mrshaba 20:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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Solar Total Energy Project

I answered your question about Bettis on my own talk page. If you are interested in solar energy but aren't aware of the Solar Total Energy Project (STEP) in Georgia, you might want to check out this Wiki article: Westinghouse Advanced Energy Systems Division

I have a lot of hard-copy documentation from that project, but there isn't much on the Internet from which to create a Wiki article. I did scan the documents and sent the files to NREL, but I don't know whether they're available for downloading. --NameThatWorks 19:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Assume Good Faith vs Vandalism

Once again, the difference between vandalism and a good faith edit, is that vandalism makes Misplaced Pages unusable, such as inserting nonsense or profanities or blanking the article or part of the article. You should know that; solar energy, one of the very few articles you edit, has been vandalized often, but never by me, and I do not appreciate your calling my good faith edits vandalism. Your ownership of the article leads to disruption and makes it impossible for others to actually improve the article. I really implore you to seek a mentor and learn how to participate more constructively. Finding a mentor is very easy, just add {{subst:dated adoptme}} at the top of User:Mrshaba as outlined at Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-User (the date gets filled in for you, put in the text exactly as shown). A side benefit that I am sure you will appreciate will be no more deleted images from your other article. 199.125.109.124 21:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Power.. energy?

Greetings Mrshaba and thanks for your message.

I don't think this is a point of principle worth getting het up over. Getting outside help from experts could be useful, but don't forget that they will be used to writing for different audiences and won't be used to WP style and policies. There is obviously a logical order in starting with the Sun and then coming down to how its energy is used on Earth. But there are other possible orders. Anyway, we can't use the wording "solar energy also describes", for the reason I gave in my edit summary. See WP:LEAD. Best regards. Itsmejudith 22:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Edits vs reverting edits

You really need to quit using the history as your primary editing tool and stay away from the undo link unless it is actual vandalism. 199.125.109.41 22:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Your edits are rarely constructive. The edits made today fall into unconstructive category so they were reverted with an explanation. You've watched and complained from the sidelines as I've written and reorganized the page over the last few months. This has made the task difficult but it's almost done. Your consistently rude and sneaky editing behavior is indicative of a vandal and you should have long since been silenced. Mrshaba 23:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually I would guess that more than half of my edits are vandal repair edits, like this one, that was unnoticed by anyone else. 199.125.109.129 04:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
A kite... check it out spacecadet... Mrshaba 05:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Can I suggest that you both could be more co-operative. You both make valid points, and neither of you are perfect. Mrshaba, as already said, it would be friendlier, more collaborative-like if you could edit forward and avoid as a far as reasonable undo and reverts. You would also do yourself and others well to force yourself to assume good faith, even when it is against your better judgment. You with the variable IP, yes, you’ve made your point that IPs can make constructive edits. However, wikipedia is not here for you to make points. If you could adopt a name (and thus increase your anonymity!), it would be so much easier for others, including myself, to think of you as an individual. Names, handles, whatever, are important for humans when they are trying to work together. --SmokeyJoe 06:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Smokey Joe: I will try to use the Undo option cautiously. As far as assuming good faith goes I've assumed a reasonable amount of good faith. I disagree with your assessment of Anons' contributions and points. Anon is playing a game. Mrshaba 19:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
As I have said before my editing philosophy is if it isn't broke don't fix it, if it is broke, fix it. It's that simple. No games. Given a choice between choosing a "handle" or not editing, it is highly likely that my choice would be to not edit. There are too many fish to fry to worry about this one. I got involved with Misplaced Pages only because there is stuff on it all the time that is just wrong. It's a never ending battle. By the way I greatly prefer collaborating. I have outlined some suggested improvements, which I see you have taken, which is good. However, there are thousands of other articles that also need attention. 199.125.109.136 03:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

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GA nomination

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Solar power

I know you wrote the note as a comment, but comments are only visible if you click the edit tab. The information used is valuable for everyone to see, not just editors. It is a validation for why you used the 99.9% figure and as such is a reference. A better solution would be to move the figure to the body and use the 99.98% figure instead. 199.125.109.38 19:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Please stay away from this page. I make no bones about the fact that I consider you a hostile editor. I find your edits and talk comments on the solar energy page disruptive, nonconstructive and often rude. I've followed your edits on many other pages and seen repeated examples of rudeness et cetera. For many months your content edits on the solar energy page have been removed by many editors. I have had to defend simple content I've put on the page for extended length because of your objections. Dealing with you has been the worst sort of experience for me as a new editor to WP. I've learned how to do things but it's been an ordeal wrapped in a clusterfuck. Your longterm pattern of Passive-aggressive behavior puts you in the category of a vandal. Your kooky comments put you in the category of a Space cadet. Solar energy is a passion of mine. For passions we suffer so I've suffered you. Mrshaba 19:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello Mrshaba. I'll pull out the page references from the hidden notes and make them visible. Then you'll be able to see how it's done.
You asked: "Do we need a reference for every date, efficiency and statistic that is used? I know I should read the reference manual but I'm spinning several plates as I said. I thought you might know what to do with the page numbers in the Harvard style you're working on. For example:
"Solar hot water systems use sunlight to heat water. Commercial solar water heaters began appearing in the United States in the 1890s. These systems saw increasing use until the 1920s but were gradually replaced by relatively cheap and more reliable conventional heating fuels."
Do we need to put a reference tag for 1880 and then another in the next sentence for 1920?"
Answer is: ideally we would find one source that covered both points and then we could just put the footnote at the end of the two sentences. But if we get one point from one source and one from another then both need a footnote. It's good practice to have all the footnotes at the ends of sentences as far as possible, as it can look messy if superscript numbers are dotted all over sentences.
"...ISES journal Solar Energy today. My subscription includes electronic access to back issues. If I find good references while reading through these back issues should we update our website reference tags to this more scholarly work?"
Yes, I think the article could do with more references to academic journal articles. At the moment there is a lot sourced to official reports. And while these can usually be considered reliable, they are not usually the outcome of new research, but pull out figures from research papers. So it would be better to use the original peer-reviewed papers. It doesn't matter if access is limited, so long as there is the possibility of access through academic libraries with appropriate subscriptions.
We should discuss the quality of references on the talk page, so that other editors can join in. Itsmejudith 18:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi again and thanks for your message. I think the article is on the high side when it comes to length but I certainly don't want to see it trimmed as far as the anon does/did. I was working through the PV section in order. Please go ahead to keep some of my edits and ditch others - that's how I see the article developing in collaboration. Thanks for the offer of a Leffe! Itsmejudith 12:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

GA status

I think it meets the GA status. I don't think there are any problems. Is there edit warring going on? If its serious, we will have to reassess the article. However, it looks good to me.

  • Sufficient references
  • The subject is throughly discussed
  • I ran through the article and didn't find any glaring grammar mistakes.

If something is going on, ask me. Good friend100 20:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

regarding anon user

If there is an anon user disrupting the article, then he/she should be dealt with quickly. It seems to me the anon is not vandalising, but rather making unfaithful edits to slow the progress of the article? If you have evidence and you know you are correct, and if the anon user is not helping, file a report at WP:ANI. Be sure to state your case neutrally, or you won't get much attention. Most likely, the anon will be warned for what he is doing. However, I don't really know what the anon user is doing, so I will keep the article on my watchlist. Good friend100 21:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

actually, save the ANI for now. Instead, ask an admin (a good choice might be an admin who is working at ANI. I suggest User:Spartaz or perhaps User:Heimstern) and notify them. They will come and make sure nothing is going wrong. Good friend100 21:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Will do. Thanks for the GA confirmation. I'm very happy about this confirmation of quality and I intend to the develop the article up to FA status. Mrshaba 21:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure longtime disruption is vandalism. But I'm not 100% sure. Again, ask an admin, or ask for semi protect (so that anon users cannot edit) . Good friend100 21:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Good friend100 22:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I can assure you that all of my edits are done in good faith in a manner to improve the article. None are done in a manner which would be either disruptive or vandalism. My only interest in Misplaced Pages is to improve it. Protecting an article to prevent an IP user from editing is not done because it gives an unfair advantage to one person over another. What is done instead is full protection so that no one can edit the article, and no one likes that to happen. Solar energy enjoys a fairly high rate of vandalism, and gets protected occasionally because of that. I undo any vandalism I see just like anyone else. Mrshaba on the other hand has exhibited high rates of ownership and is essentially a single purpose account, and as such has been quite difficult upon many occasions. He/she has repeatedly indicated that they would benefit from seeking a mentor and never has, despite being shown how to do so. 199.125.109.104 04:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Notes and refs

There are various ways to order this. The model I was thinking of was is the one that the featured article Islam uses. See what you think. Re-ordering the references in that way was a prerequisite for that article getting FA, but the requirements seem to be set differently by different assessors. The reason I started doing it here is that it is a chance to work through all the references systematically and check that they are suitable. Itsmejudith 22:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

PV graph?

Clarify me what its purpose is. Sorry, I'm not an expert on the subject :) Good friend100 01:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

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Portal Placement

I agree that the placement is oft times problematic! I've already made the request with Auto Wiki Browswer to have the portal templates placed in the "See Also" section. There's also an 'extremely' brief note somewhere in the projects talk archives regarding the actual placement in that section (can't find it right off...). As they are navigational templates, I'm going to leave a note at Misplaced Pages:Navigational templates to see what the thought is. My concern is that there probably needs to be a general message on each of the portal templates with a note on placement, but we'll see what happens.SkierRMH 00:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The location is clearly specified at the bottom of template:portal. 199.125.109.43 15:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

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Solar power to do list

Please focus on the article, not on deleting reasonable to do requests that have not been fulfilled. You have deleted this twice. Your argument that such and such featured article is horrendously long is not a meaningful argument. 199.125.109.43 04:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)