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Fasach Nua (talk · contribs · logs)

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Statement of the dispute

Fasach Nua has vested an interest in having imaged deleted that are uploaded by me, for no other reason then that they are uploaded by me, and using the same boilerplate reasoning for such nominations. His last nomination called my upload "bad faith", which to me makes it clear that he has a grudge against me in particular, and the Doctor Who project as a whole.

Desired outcome

Fasach Nua is to be given a topic ban on any Doctor Who related articles and subjects, in all namespaces.

Description

This started after I made a bad call during an IfD and got into an argument on AN/I during the subsequent deletion review. After seemingly resolving the issue, I even supported Fasach Nua to help him with (re)nomination, but now he uses that knowledge to start a nominating spree, nominating any subsequest image I have uploaded, as well as other Doctor Who raleted images, in what I believe to be bad faith, as he only targets those images. Apart from some edits in Northern Ireland Footbal related article, Fasach Nua's edits in article space are virtually non-existent, and seem entirely focused on discussion about policies and procedures. He aslo habitually deletes conversations from his talk page.

Evidence of disputed behavior

These are archived discussion which summarize the conflict very well:

Fasach also has the habit of marking his nominations as "Copyright violation", which is factually incorrect, inflamatory, unprofessional, in bad faith and should only be used with blatant violations, which these are not.

Applicable policies and guidelines

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

Users certifying the basis for this dispute

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— Edokter • Talk • 15:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Will 15:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary

StuartDD (talk · contribs) Stuart DD _{contributions} 11:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Response

I don’t really get this! I think this is just as bogus as Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive338#Fasach Nua disrupting IfD, previously used by Edokter. He is a good editor, but has a poor understanding of copyright law, or the aims of the Wikimedia foundation.

In a previous discussion, this user has threatened that if any Dr.Who images which failed the criteria for inclusion of non-free content were deleted, he will continue uploading images to replace them until all 60,000 frames have been exhausted shown here.

The image in the Fear Her episode was deleted, reuploaded deleteted, reuploaded, deleted, , then this user has uploaded another image from the same episode which also failed criteria for inclusion of non-free content on wp, so I nominated it, and now it is deleted.

I removed a non-free image from an article which had no FU criteria, the response this user makes is this very lazy and ill considered edit diff. I then examined the rationale, and found it to be meaningless, and thus in breach of wikipedia policy to which this user stated that he was abandoning good faith diff

Another Dr Who image which failed wp policy for inclusion of non free content was deleted Misplaced Pages:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_December_30#Image:2.0.Christmas_Invasion.jpg, again Edikter uploads another image from the same episode which I have nominated for deletion Misplaced Pages:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_January_10#Image:_Doctor_Who_The_Christmas_Invasion.jpg as it too fails to meet the criteria needed for the use of non free content.

I don’t really have a problem with not making bad faith nominations at ifd, I don’t believe I have made any, the ninth doctor may have been over zealous, but given the contempt for the liability the foundation has to accept in hosting these images as was demonstrated here by some members of this wikiproject. I would find it find it hard to imagine that this problem would be properly addressed, this view was (sort of) endorsed here.

I am not realy going to pay much attention to this the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive338#Fasach Nua disrupting IfD, entered by Edokter was as much of a waste of time I am prepared to put up with, I dont think there is dispute here, most of the images happen to be on the same wiki projectEdokter is a member of, but very few were uploaded by him, and I havent seen any evidence to suggest that my nomination were of bad faith, I think Edokter thinks I have a higher opinion of him than exists in reality, I do not spend my nights plotting against him! I am not going to watch this page, if anything of note happens here, put a note on my talk page, Thanks Fasach Nua (talk) 16:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary:

Some of the images nominated have already been deleted, some are probably going to be kept. Don't understand the excitement. Addhoc (talk) 08:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Outside view

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Outside view from J Greb

Looking at this as an editor that came in in the middle of the situation, there is reason for concern raised by the actions on both sides of this.

As I've commented before, there seems to be a tendency for Fasach Nua to jump the gun, relying on IfD instead of first applying image maintenance tags in cases where the dispute rests on the validity of the FUR provided. Examples of this are the Ninth Doctor.jpg and Slitheen.jpg noms.

But there is also a disturbing tendency for supporters of the images to be overly aggressive in their defense, or demand, that the images be left alone.

I can see, for the most part, good faith in edits made, including XfD noms, to improve Misplaced Pages based on the quality of the information edited and with regards to the policies and guidelines in place. It doesn't matter if the editor is venturing outside his/her "normal" editing area or focuses on a particular "back end" aspect, such as the images, if the editor works to fix what appears to be a problem, that's generally a good thing. It isn't a case of WP:POINT or WP:DISRUPT, it's a case of actually fixing a problem.

As a side note: Repeatedly re-uploading an image deleted by an IfD, or immediately uploading any old image to replace an IfDed one could be seen as acting in bad faith if not editing with a point. The same can be said for the removal of maintenance tags without actually addressing the problem.

As far as the other policies and guidelines that are relevant here, or should be listed as relevant:

WP:AGF - Both Fasach Nua and Edokter have made it very clear with the nom for Doctor Who The Christmas Invasion.jpg that neither is willing to extend the other that fundamental courtesy. And by comments made in some of the IfDs listed, other editors also appear unwilling to extend it as well.
WP:CIVILITY - Has taken a beating with these noms with both sides putting up comments that can read as sniping and goading.
WP:NFC - Which is a valid, fundamental guideline for the use of non-free content.

- J Greb (talk) 16:07, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary:

Agree that to some extent there are faults on both sides. Addhoc (talk) 17:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Agree on the most part, (maintenance tags isn't the full story) but a reasonable description. Fasach Nua (talk) 18:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

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