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It is at best debatable and at worst incorrect to state that PDCA/PDSA is meant to be used for major changes. This was never the intent or application by Shewart or Deming, which was confined to improvement for quality control purposes for products, experiments, etc. I have left it in the main text while pointing this out as dubious in the problems with PDCA section. In my discussion with Deming about 2 decades ago when he visited Australia he emphasized that PDCA was at least a simple way to get people thinking about quality and laughed when I pointed out that Do and Act have the same meaning in English. Such are the foibles of simple methods. Han —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanvanloon (talk • contribs) 09:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem with this, but please bear in mind that major changes should be discussed on this page prior to implementation. 80.86.83.20 (talk) 18:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

After seeing changes to the page, I raised the issues here for that purpose. It is my hope that we can achieve a balanced viewpoint on PDCA, which the page as initially viewed did not have. Whether PDCA should be critiqued here or off page is open to discussion. I tried the latter initially but the links were deleted - I think for political reasons (i.e. no criticism or dissent here please), so I feel it necessary to raise it on page. As the author of the originating pages I make it available under the GNU Free document license provisions. I am happy to see the discussion linked off page if that is the desired approach. Han.

Regarding links - there is a link battle going on here, either all external information links that are directly relevant to the topic should be allowed, or none. With PDCA being such a generally known concept, every organization can claim or provide information pages (including ASQ of which I am a member). It is therefore better not to link to any such commercial organizations if readers/contributors think the links are being abused. Han

You seem to be trying to define Misplaced Pages policy yourself. Please do not embark on campaigns of hacking out exisitng links, or adding them 'en bloc' on the basis of your own personal opinion. There is a long standing set of guidelines and internal policies here. 80.86.83.20 (talk) 18:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I disagree and am not trying to do so. I am not sure who did the original link deletion, although Daniel Penfield has been active of late in maintaining some commercial links in while deleting others (ASQ is a commercial organization as I note above). It is why I raised it here in discussion. It would be helpful to know with whom I am having this discussion. Thank you. Han

Shouldn't this information be moved to the Shewhart cycle page and just make this a redirect? ...especially since this seems to be a more focused discussion of the topic than what's there?

--Prainog 13:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I've added the template for merging this page into Shewhart cycle.

--Prainog 03:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: "Velocity of change"; "velocity" reads like a buzzword. How about "volatility"? Re: "allows for quantum breakthroughs"; "quantum" sounds like selling. How about "allows for breakthroughs".

--Monsterinabox 17:54, 11 April 2007

I agree. 'Velocity of change' to 'rate of change.' Volatility is suggestive of great change, but not necessarily mostly in one direction.

As for 'quantum breakthroughs,' how big is a quantum? It's defined by those promoting the breakthrough. A nice adjective that does not, IMHO, add information. Do we ever have a small breakthrough?

In the changes just made (by me), the references are in the text because I don't know yet how to put them in properly.

--Jay Warner 4:59, 18 Sept. 2007 (UTC)