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January 2008

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to List of climbers, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. This is especially important when dealing with biographies of living people, but applies to all Misplaced Pages articles. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are already familiar with Misplaced Pages:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add your reference to the article. Thank you. ww2censor (talk) 02:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Reliable secondary sources

Please provide reliable secondary sources for your POV edits to Hawaiian sovereignty movement‎. Your user account appears to be used only to add unsourced POV to the article. —Viriditas | Talk 02:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The reference to the Grassroot Institute that you provided is a selective interpretation of a primary source document (Native Hawaiians Study Commission Report). I encourage you to review Misplaced Pages's sourcing guidelines and to use secondary sources to support primary source interpretations. The easiest way to do this is to attribute opinions to reliable authors and publications. Even so, we do not use the lead section in the way that you are using it, as it represents a summary of the article, not a POV. To add this POV to the article, you will need to develop a sourced section that directly discusses the Hawaiian sovereignty movement‎ in relation to the point you are trying to make. Selectively choosing items from a primary source document to represent your personal opinion is original research and is not allowed. —Viriditas | Talk 02:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Please do not continue to ignore my requests for secondary sources. We simply do not interpret primary sources, especially in controversial articles where secondary sources are key. —Viriditas | Talk 03:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I am new to Misplaced Pages and am in need of help with respect to the issues raised. As I understand it, your request is for a secondary source, which ought to be a reliable publication. At the same time, you reject the reference to the Grassroot Institute as a secondary source, even though 1) It is a reliable publication 2) It provides the full text of the original Native Hawaiian Study Commission report. Secondly, your idea that "we don't use the lead section in this way" is wholly subjective. In fact, the reference is germaine to the question of reparations, which is presented in the lead section as a foregone conclusion even though the congress settled the issue long ago. Finally, you call for a developing a "sourced section that directly discusses the Hawaiian sovereignty movement in relation to the point you are trying to make". That requirement was met when I added critical quotations from Rice to the pre-existing section entitled "backlash". You deleted that and you also deleted the link I added to the decision itself.