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Revision as of 23:03, 16 February 2008 by とある白い猫 (talk | contribs) (→Revert waring)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)- Below is evidence presented by User:White Cat. For evidence presented by other users see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2/Evidence.
- I hope to collect more evidence over the weekend.
Some of the involved parties use cunning tactics
- Assertion 1: Some of the editors who wishes to purge episode and character articles from wikipedia which they feel are "unnecessary"/"non-notable" work/vote in groups for this goal. In such votes rather than the community opinion, their group voting dominates the xfd. Outside-wiki communication may be the case or they may be simply watching each others contribution to find out which articles are being purged. This is particularly important because any ruling promoting "taking disagreements to afd" will likely result more of this behavior.
- Assertion 2: Some of the editors who wishes to purge episode and character articles from wikipedia slowly remove content via arbitrary standards. First they trim articles that are decently long making it possible to merge them into a "list of character" or "list of episode" article. Then this 'merged' list article is also removed. Expanding content is strictly banned. For example on this diff demonstrates the lack of tollerance in expansion of the content even with out of universe material. The information on Bulbasaur, a formerly featured article is now a mere redirect is now confined to three paragraphs and it is not possible to expand it. It is rather relentless that not even featured articles or formerly featured articles survive from the wrath of editors seeking to purge all fiction related content. This diff implies Pikachu is next in line to disappear for being non-notable despite being the most well known Pokemon and perhaps the most well known anime character outside of Japan. WP:SPINOUTs and WP:STUBs are not banned so users remove anything useful to make way for an ultimate mass redirectification.
Evidence
Truth Be Told (Dexter episode)
- Article: Truth Be Told (Dexter episode) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Total number of edits to the article since creation at 13:07 on 17 November 2006: 32
- Involved users
- AFD? No.
- Edits since first redirectification. Reverts of redirectification are in italics and reredirectifications are bold
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Command Decision (Dad's Army episode)
- Article: Command Decision (Dad's Army episode) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Total number of edits to the article since creation at 12:19 on 7 September 2005: 70
- Involved users
- AFD? Yes: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Command Decision (Dad's Army episode) (61 edits)
- AFD Participants:
- Participants with edits to the artice:
- Other participants:
- AFD Participants:
- Edits since first tagging. Tagings are in bold. Removal of tags are in italic.
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Won't Get Fooled Again (Farscape episode)
- Article: Won't Get Fooled Again (Farscape episode) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Total number of edits to the article since creation at 15:01 on 16 January 2007: 42
- Involved users
- AFD? No.
- Edits since first tagging. Tagings and reredirectifications are in bold. Reverts of redirectification and removal of tags are in italic.
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Bulbasaur
- Article: Bulbasaur (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Total number of edits to the article since creation at 17:55 on 1 January 2003: +2000 (I did not care to count after 2000)
- Involved users
- AFD? Yes:
- Featured? Yes, former.
- Edits since first tagging. Tagings and reredirectifications are in bold. Reverts of redirectification and removal of tags are in italic.
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WP:POINT
- Assertion: Some of the involved users are mass purging popular culture related material for reasons much different from what they claim.
Vandalism
“ | Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages. The most common types of vandalism include the addition of obscenities or crude humor, page blanking, or the insertion of nonsense into articles. | ” |
Above is a quote from Misplaced Pages:Vandalism. I'd like arbitration committee to review these mass blankings from the perspective of this official policy. Any deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages should be treated as such. I feel what these editors are doing is just that.
Trolling
- Assertion: Some of the involved users seem to be interested in conflict more than doing anything meaningful here. Comments they make are sometimes inflammatory and seems like "inflaming" or attempting to "inflame" seems to be the intention behind it.
Revert waring
- Assertion: Some of the involved users had engaged in revert waring. In occasional cases they revert-wared in groups if they face resistance.
I am not going to insult arbitrators intelligence with more evidence on this. Other people have provided adequate amount of examples: #Evidence presented by John254
Not seeking consensus
- Assertion: Nearly all of the involved parties failed to seek consensus and rather than making compromises or actually discussing the problem, they tried to brute force their way. The issue of purging episode articles lacks any kind of real consensus behind it even though some people make-believed themselves of such a thing. There is evidence of people ignoring opposing views for convenience.
Community ignored the issue
- Assertion: The wikipedia community for the most part has ignored the dispute. Although the issue was taken to WP:ANB/I many times and as far as ArbCom before no true attempt to resolve the dispute was made by the community. No offense to arbcomers but the first RfAr was for the most part useless and non-binding and hence has failed to resolve or at least partially resolve any of the concerns raised. Also for example if you check the block log of TTN, he has been blocked once and only once despite being a frequent revert warior.
Real identity of Jack Merridew: Could it be Davenbelle/Moby Dick
I was talking to Tony Sidaway at his talk page on 13 February 2008 (as usual I won't be getting any timely assistance from Tony) and after I made that post a Jack_Merridew joined irc (#wikipedia) and soon after changed his nick. Out of curiosity I ran a /whois check and found out that his IP leads to Bali, Indonesia. Jack Merridew's earlier contribution has lots of edits relating to Indonesia and Bali. It is most evident on an earlier version of his userpage . I suspect a checkuser will place him in Bali, Indonesia.
Now Jack Merridew had a tendency of showing up in discussions not related to anything he is editing such as here. Please review his conduct there in the light of Misplaced Pages:Harassment and perhaps Misplaced Pages:What is a troll? as it may be applicable. Mind that this is consistent with Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Moby Dick#Moby Dick banned from certain articles
Edits too professional for a new editor
First edit of Jack Merridew (back then 'User:Senang Hati' meaning happy hearts in Indonesian or so Jack Merridew claims) was rather professional with wiki-linking, bolding of the first sentence, sectioning external links, categorization ()... He even picked the right stub template. He made other 3 professional edits to the same page. All this happened between 8-9 UTC on 11 April 2007. Page was nominated for speedy deletion at 12:45 UTC. It was speedy deleted. Jack complained and got the article restored. Jack placed a {{hangon}} template the same day after it was restored. He requested a username change 2 days after his first edit (his 17th edit) over COI concerns ().
All this leads me to believe this user had edited wikipedia prior to his first edit as Jack Merridew/Senang Hati.
Connection
Now why is any of this remarkable at all? It is the same geographic location (same city Bali, Indonesia) as User:Davenbelle/User:Moby Dick/User:Diyarbakir that had been blocked indefinitely for stalking me. The relevant cases are:
- Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek
- Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Moby Dick
- Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Diyarbakir
- Most notably: Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Moby Dick#Request for clarification and indefinite block of Moby Dick.2C April-May 2007
- Common edits
- Davenbelle (talk · contribs) had edited 214 pages that I have also edited.
- Moby Dick (talk · contribs) had edited 115 pages that I have also edited.
- Diyarbakir (talk · contribs) had edited 38 pages that I have also edited.
- In contrast
- Jack Merridew (talk · contribs) had edited 189 pages that I have also edited. Mostly articles I created and he redirectified.
Furthermore. Jack Merridew's first edit was on 11 April 2007. His last edit on April 2007 was on the 19th. He resumed editing on 8 May 2007. So between 19 April and 8 May 2007 Jack made no edit.
Between 26 April and 2 May was the discussion on Moby Dick/Diyarbakir's conduct leading to the indefinite block.
So the last edit of Jack on April 2007 is 7 days prior to the block discussion on Moby Dick/Diyarbakir's conduct and resumed 6 days later.
Bot-like (automated looking) edits by TTN
- Assertion: Some users such as TTN have edited in a bot-like (automated looking) manner. Pay close attention to the timestamp. Below are the edits of TTN between 20:58 and 21:11 (13 minutes). Source (I see no reason to link to these individually as this is merely a duplication of the sourced log.)
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