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Robson talk page

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I've replied at the article talk page. I think your start point is reasonable but the argument's become a little heated and some extreme positions seem to be being taken by people (including yourself) that they didn't originally intend. Please reply at the article talk - I'll be watching. --Dweller (talk) 11:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts vis Betacommandbot

I just wanted to say thanks for your efforts re the ridiculous betacommandbot. I am now one of those relatively infrequent editors who won't bother uploading images because of him/her/it?. I also suspect that after I complained once, the bot must have then trawled all my previous uploads and tagged most. I uploaded the self made versions of Australian Army World War Two colour patches (logos) in the Australian Commandos article. This is how Australians identify with the individual units and is really an essential part of the article. Now they will all dissappear on 19 Feb according to "it". Anyway keep up the fight and thanks again. Krait (talk) 07:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

LOL thanks!. If they are self made though, i.e. you made them in paint?, then you can release them as own work public domain I think. If not, let me know where you uploaded them from and I'll do the tags for you, they improve the article, it isnt that hard when you know what's required (I've ended up learning during the fight lol). My issue is not the tagging or the policy (although it's a nightmare to understand, it's the sheer tidal wave way the bot is being operating, I don't think it's intelligent to be able to target all your uploads, I think it's just the sheer number of the last run (>15,000tags) probably caught them all. It's also not fair that so many previously acceptable images are being tagged because the policy changed. MickMacNee (talk) 12:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I would also like to add my thanks. I don't upload images, but I've seen the destruction and irritation this bot has caused in the last few days alone. Enigma (talk) 17:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

My advice is to give up, common sense will never prevail. Editors have pleaded with Betacommand to make his bot follow the redirect when someone has simply moved the page (without changing the precise pagename in every fair-use rationale on the article) but nothing changes. Some people are committed deletionists and the bot gives them a great big list of images to delete every time it does a run of 15k+. English peasant 20:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Inaccuracies of Geordie

Excuse me but you don't seem to understand, the article geordie has a number of people in it which are claimed to be "geordies", and these may be backed up by citations, but since geordie is a dialect and a local nickname for the people Newcastle Upon tyne, no source for this kind of subject can ever be accurate. As many people from the region of North East England are mistaken for geordies by outer sources who do not understand the regional nicknames of the Northeast, calling the people geordies who aren't, hence why situations like this occur, and many of these people who are in the article geordie, come from the Wearside area, which has its own dialect and nickname called Mackem (which is a completely different thing) and many people who are on the list of notable geordies at the same time are on the list of notable mackems "hence why it can never be accurate", this makes things difficult and confusing on wikipedia and hence no sources for this subject are reliable, I am offended by the content of the article, I personally think wikipedia would be better off without these "notable geordies" and "notable mackems" sections due to the lack of WP:V. You can't use news sources which mis-understand the dialect as accurate sources, play fair.86.150.252.106 (talk) 18:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

How is it?

• Heather Mills- born in the south, brought up in Washington, tyne and wear, which is wearside, and covered by the term mackem, is a geordie? she's not, use your common sense.

• This is being addressed elsewhere, I'm not continuing the discussion in different places. You already have enough information on the issue from me. I suggest you re-post the above on the article talk page before continuing to disrupt the article. I will not continue what is a content dispute on my talk page. MickMacNee (talk) 18:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The IP address has not reverted since I warned them, and thus I have given them a pass. Gregs the bunny DID revert, and so he was blocked. That was the reason for the discrepancy. I have watchlisted the article. If the problems continue, I will issue protection on the article until the dispute is resolved on the talk page. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Open Top Buses

Hi Mick, thank you for your efforts in tidying my contribution - in particular it makes good sense to put most of the photos into a gallery (although your expression "image carpet bombing" could be construed as intimidatory). I do have a quibble, however, with your deletion of the section on Regular open-top services. I believe that (at least) the paragraph

• Open-top buses are employed on regular timetabled stage-carriage services at many scenic locations in the United Kingdom, especially at the coast. Generally these run during the "summer season" which is usually from Easter until September, and may be replaced by closed vehicles during inclement weather. They are often "sea-front" services in urban coastal resorts, but some are longer distance services which provide the best possible views of the scenery.

should be retained to give an idea of the most usual current type of use of these vehicles.

The use of examples is, admittedly, biased towards southern England, but it provides a clearer picture of some classic bus rides which almost warrant an article in their own right. Without those examples, users will not be inspired to include their own examples from elsewhere (which would enrich the article significantly). I realise that you created the article and may wish to see it retained in more or less the same format that you originally envisaged, but that isn't the way Misplaced Pages is supposed to work, is it? By the way, where was there any inclusion of a "timetable" as referred to in your edit summary?

Sorry if this sounds a bit terse, but I feel just as strongly about inclusion of my contribution as you feel about deleting it (and deleting it requires a lot less thought and is a lot less time consuming than being constructive). Weydonian (talk) 19:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Points taken, no probs at all, but I would say that you should remember WP is targetted at a global audience (admittedly English speakers), so as it was it seemed too UK centric. Rest assured I know where you are coming from, but in my experience, general articles such as this need to be as neutral and unbiased as possible, or, if it gets to the stage of regional examples, un-biased. There are editors in WP who patrol and tag any article too skewed towards a particular country where it is not warranted (not me I might add, please think of my edits as preventative through experience). There may be a case that these sorts of services only exist in the UK, for climate reasons or whatever, I was struggling to think of others as I editted (California?), if that is the case, there may actually be a case for a new article, or inclusion in a tourism in britain type article. I am totally not against the text (although there are policies against WP being a tourist guide or timetable, which the info borders on: think what happens in a year's time when we have gone elsewhere and someone reads this article, it might be completely irrelevant by then). On the image comment, it was meant to be light-hearted, but again, for me there is a learned precedent behind it, images are not meant to be the overwhelming articles from the out-set, and the thumb format allows one click expansion if the reader requires to look in detail, so again, don't take that as a malicious edits just because of the subject, you will see that is not my bag from my previous edits if you look back far enough. MickMacNee (talk) 23:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

P.S. reading back again, please feel free to start a UK centric tourist bus type article, I will support you in it whatever happens. MickMacNee (talk) 23:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

My AN/I Comment

I've responded to your post on my talkpage. I like the 'royal wiki finger' comment! Its pretty funny, I'll use it again if I remember. Avruch 02:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

replied MickMacNee (talk) 02:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm

Gotta run, so just a quick note to say thanks for your interjection - it helped!! Pdfpdf (talk) 11:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

n.p. MickMacNee (talk) 11:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

3RR Warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Geordie. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. , what you don't seem to understand is to use the talk page and you can't accuse me of being a sock as an excuse to revert, and "you believing you are right" does not excuse you from 3rr. 86.148.189.190 (talk) 13:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

• Quite simply, unbelievable. You have to laugh sometimes I guess. MickMacNee (talk) 13:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I am not a sock, and the version will be left at the sysop version until concensus is done on the talkpage, the references are invalid because there is no definition for the term itself therefore you can't define who is a geordie, Gregs the baker is pretty ignorant and so are you. 86.148.189.190 (talk) 13:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

It gets better... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

It is just wow isn't it. MickMacNee (talk) 13:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I refuse to revert any further, you can re-revert back to your "right" version, but then you face 3RR, you are gregs the baker don't seem to understand just because you think you are "right" you can win an edit war, all this was explained on greg's talk page by the blocking admin. 86.148.189.190 (talk) 13:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

We don't think we are right, we are editing as per wikipedia policies. I would point them out to you, and the reasons why you are wrong, but as you and I know, that has already been done time and again. Only one person here is unable to build a consensus. MickMacNee (talk) 13:18, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

MickMacNee (talk) 13:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info about ZogontheTyne. I've been speechless and astounded since tracking down what he has been up to, (as my dearly departed mum would say, "bless his little cotton socks"), and I've only just gotten to the point where you were 3 hours ago. Yes, wow. Pdfpdf (talk) 16:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Bear Grylls

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• Eh? I have never met Grylls, I have never served in the Armed Forces. MickMacNee (talk) 16:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

I've blocked you for 24 hours for edit-warring on Bear Grylls, and also blocked the IP editor in such a way that he can't log in anymore. In the future, please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest it by adding {{unblock|your reason here}} below. east.718 at 19:29, February 17, 2008

Mick, five reverts in a short space of time. This is inevitable. You know of WP:3RR, don't you? I know it's frustrating but you've got to play the game... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

heads up

Since you so gladly asked for more communication and want to assist in helping fix images that BCBot identifies as failing WP:NFCC, I am going to have the bot notify you when it tags an image. β 19:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

yay, more carpet-bombing of talk pages. Plus, Mick just got a block, so he won't be able to fix things for a period of time anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enigmaman (talk • contribs) 19:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)