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Kevin McKenzie (dancer/choreographer/direcotr)

I have moved this article to this link again and ask that you delete the one (of the same content) which is titled, Kevin McKenzie (ballet dancer)... the former one I mention above is definitely a more accurate title for this man. Thanks!Queenofthewilis (talk) 13:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

RMHCSC Ronald McDonald House Charities Southern California

Hi, I created a article to increase the awareness of the Ronald McDonald House Charities - Southern California. I am not quite sure what is the reason for the page delete. I know there is an article regarding RMHC, can we at least add the RMHCSC link to the main site? Do you have any suggestions?

thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.194.28 (talk) 07:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians who support proprietary software

A category you created is currently being discussed at Misplaced Pages:User_categories_for_discussion#Category:Wikipedians_who_support_proprietary_software. User:Dorftrottel 16:37, January 15, 2008

benish mininberg

יש לי הרגשה שאתה קורא עברית. רציתי לדעת למה מחקת את הערך שהוספתי? הרי המטרה של הוויקיפדיה היא להעביר ידע לכל העולם. אני חושב שביניש היה צייר חשוב בהיסטוריה של ישראל אך הוא אינו מוכר כל כך כי לא פנה לחיים פוליטיים. אני חושב שזהו ערך חשוב. מצפה לתגובתך תודה עידו. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belezza (talk • contribs) 17:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

מה החשיבות שלו? בבקשה להתיחס לעניין, בהתחשב בדף הזה. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

תודה על התגובה המהירה,בכל אופן כפי שהופיע במאמר ב

YNET

"העלייה השנייה (1904) הביאה את הגל הראשון של ציירי ומעטרי הקיר היהודים ממזרח אירופה. ביניהם היו יהודה מיניברג ובנו בייניש, מנחם מנדל קרול ובניו חיים ויעקב, ושלום זאב רשלבך, שעם בואם התיישבו בנווה צדק, ואחר כך עם הקמת שכונת מרכז בעלי המלאכה בתל אביב, עברו לאזור רחוב שינקין. שלושת הציירים הללו הם חלק מרשימה של כ-60 ציירים שאותם גילה פרקש עד כה. "

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-2027715,00.html

אז נכון זה לא משהו כל כך ידוע אבל לאחר שיחה עם שי פרקש מהכתבה הנ"ל מסתבר שישנם עשרות ציורי קיר בתוך דירות בתל אביב. לפי דעתי ולדעת תכלת-המרכז הישראלי לציורי קיר ביניש הינו פיסה חשובה בהיסטוריה של עיטורי הקיר אני הגעתי לנושא הזה לאחר שגיליתי ציור שלו (לא ציור קיר) בבית הורי והחלטתי לחקור על הצייר הלא ידוע אני חושב שזהו ערך שכן חשוב שיהיה נגיש לכולם לפי הבנתי ישנם מאות ציורים שלו בביתם של אנשים בישראל ןאולי אף בעולם. אז לפי בקשתך הוספתי קישור למקור משני נוסף. תודה עידו. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.63.148 (talk) 08:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

List of The New Gidget episodes

Wrt to this: I had tagged the article with {{db|Episode list merged back into The New Gidget. Even that main article is currently little more than an unreferenced stub, no need to split off this table into its own article.}} when DGG reverted. Just for the record, I would appreciate your opinion if the rationale I provided makes sense to you or if you agree with DGG that the article should not be deleted. User:Dorftrottel 21:21, February 19, 2008

wait a few weeks and then clean it up along with all the rest of the backlog, is what i'd suggest. why look for problems now. There will be enough when arbcom finishes that we'll have to figure out some unifrom way of dealing with these. (I admit i dont see the point of using plain db, when there is no rationale that fits.)22:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I look for problems at WP:EAR, where someone brought this up. And I see no point in waiting with something as uncontroversial as this. But ok DGG, you want two articles, you have them. And you support the work of what imho is an obvious sockpuppet. User:Dorftrottel 23:06, February 19, 2008

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Casseva

I notice that you speedy deleted the Casseva article, citing CSD A7. However, it looks like there was an AfD in place which didn't get closed when the article was deleted. I went ahead and closed it for you - no concerns about the deletion, it looks like a clear case. All an AfD would do is let us delete as Reposted Content instead of A7. So, just an FYI on that debate close, since you took action on the article itself. Best, UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 15:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Flak (musician)

I noticed that you speedy deleted the Flak (musician), but it did however meet the requirements just moments before it was deleted. Please undelete this page, other wise my past 4 hours would have been wasted time.OrangeDeoxys (talk) 10:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

In what way is this musician important? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

That Musician is part of a band called Cross Bred Mongrels, and named the famous asutralian hiphop band named Hilltop Hoods in a Coles carpark. OrangeDeoxys (talk) 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Moths to Flames

Just thought I would point out it's a web comic therefore covered under CSD A7 web content. Ridernyc (talk) 11:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Next time, please be more explicit - there is a {{db-web}} template. If there had been that, instead of a general {{db-bio}}, it would have made things easier for me. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll lok into into I use Twinkle not sure if they have added that template yet. Ahh there it is got it. They need to reword the first check box so people will use the proper one. Thanks. Ridernyc (talk) 11:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Review for Tokugawa Chikauji

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Tokugawa Chikauji. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -- Taku (talk) 12:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Jane Austen

Whoa, I just realized you protected it until March 18. Isn't that a little excessive? Maybe shorten it up some? Say, Feb. 27th or so? Well, I actually would prefer today, but I'll compromise. kthxbai. --198.185.18.207 (talk) 14:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The duration of the semi protection tends to go up each time. Last time it was 2 weeks, so this time it's longer. In the meantime, if you want to edit the page, you can do one of two things:

1. Create an account - and then in a few days (I think 4, but I'm not sure) you can edit it, since it's only semi-protcted.
2. Request it on the talk page, and use an {{editprotected}} tag to attract other users to it.

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Ha-omnam raq Od Mishehu?

Please refer to my request, to which nobody has referred yet. Thank you. Eliko (talk) 11:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure about this one. I think not, as it's prefering one version over an other - something an admin shouldn't do. I'm not sure, however, if the 3RR violation changes things enough. I think a more experienced admin should check this one out. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

My requset is not only "preferring one version over another", but rather is preferring one legal version over a version which violates the 3RR when being protected! i.e. this is a special combination of two problems: 1. the current version violates the 3RR. 2. the current version - which violates the 3RR - is being protected now, thus preventing the other users from fixing that version which violates the 3RR! However, if you really think that you are not a sufficiently "experienced admin" for deciding - so could you please pass my requset to "a more experienced admin"? I don't know who such an administrator may be. Thank you. Eliko (talk) 11:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The Administrators' noticeboard is probably the best place to request it if it went too long undealt with. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Since you seem to be hesitant to respond to this because you're new, let me clear things up for you: the answer is emphatically no. Eliko's request is, as you said, asking you to prefer one version over another. There is no overt consensus for, no vandalism in, and nothing "illegal" about the current version. Eliko has been spamming the talk pages of several admins, including myself, about this matter, further emphasizing the fact that the answer is no. -- tariqabjotu 13:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Calm down. It seems that something has annoyed you, right? What is it? Maybe this is what you call "spamming"? If this is what has annoyed you - then I apologize: it was not on purpose; Note that my request on the noticeboard was removed (not archived but rather: removed), and that's why I referred to other admins who may see what I consider as an objective problem.

What I've been asking is (in my opinion) - emphatically - not (as you say) to "prefer one version over another", nor to undo the "wrong" version (since such a request would be absolutely subjective: nobody can determine that previous versions are "better"), but rather to prefer objectively the latest legal version - over a version which violates the 3RR, or rather: to undo the version which violates the 3RR. Such a request is absolutlely legitimate and backed by objective criteria (not like any hypothetical request for subjectively preferring a "better" version over a "wrong" version). If you don't think that a version which violates the 3RR is illegal, then express your opinion (as emphatically as you can), and I promise that your opinion will be taken into account - just as Od Mishehu's hesitant opinion (which is not less legitimate than yours) will be taken into account, but please don't prevent me from taking legitimate steps for solving what I consider as an objective problem.

To sum up: we have now three opinions: a) your opinion - which is emphatically: the request is illegitimate, b) my opinion - which is empahtically: the request is legitimate, and: c) Od Mishehu's opinion - which is hasitant. In such a case - the best legitimate solution is (in my opinion): referring to the noticeboard, and this is exactly what I have done, but my message was removed (not archived but rather: removed), and this is a severe problem, even more severe than the current issue.

I hope you see the problem. Eliko (talk) 16:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Username

As I said to Gimmetrow, it was reported to UAA as a spam account, I checked contributions and saw they were all promotional in nature and thus the account was blocked for being promotional. From memory, the account has no edits that weren't promotional, account creation was not blocked, therefore I suggest advising the user to simply create a new account and beware of spamming in the future. Regards, SGGH 16:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted article under A7

Hi there Od Mishehu. I noticed the Universiti Putra Malaysia Students Representative Council article was deleted under section A7. The structure of the content is similar to UNIMAS Student Representative Council and I had tried to minimize any content which was deemed as popularity. Could I get an advice on what went wrong so I could actually edit it. The article is about a student council very much similar to any student body in universities. Hope for a speedy response. Thank you. 10:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

What's important about them? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

It is the explanation of a student body organization which comprises of 17,000 undergraduate members, similar as Oxford University Student Union and other universities. It also does introduce the different concept of Malaysian student body system in which is is based solely on legislative unlike the United States system which has judiciary, legislative and executive. It would really help to educate Malaysian students on the electoral system of the respective universities. I hope the article can be considered as the content is very much similar to UNIMAS which has not been deleted by section A7. Thanks. 11:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Putrampp (talk • contribs)

I thank you for the consideration and would add up more of the notability and references in the next 4-5 days. thanks u so much. 03:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Od Meishu, I just updated the reference but I couldn't get more of the english references. There are some in Malay language however. Could you advice me on the further requirements to avoid the article from being tagged as cleanup? I thank you so much for your time.

11:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

{{Cleanup}} isn't my field. See if you can find someone who does deal with that. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Vietnam

Hello עוד מישהו just a quick question concerning the article History of the Jews in Vietnam. When I tagged for speedy, I did not see the mention to Misplaced Pages on the site that I referenced and would swear it was not there. However, I did notice the reference after your comment on declining the deletion and I rechecked the site. Did I overlook the first time around or is there a program that allows you to interrogate a site to see its history? If so would appreciate you educating me. Thanks for your help. Shoessss |  Chat  07:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I noticed a copy of the speedy tag on that page, this fact alerted me to think that it copied from Misplaced Pages. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Ahh - so no special powers than :-). Just me overlooking! Thanks for the help. However, I was hoping you had a special bot that I could Persuade you to share. Thanks again. Shoessss |  Chat  07:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you made a mistake that I could have also made. However, a number of thuings you could have possibly noticed were:

1. The end of the first paragraph has a small "citation needed", which links to a page called "Misplaced Pages:Citation_needed". This makes sense in Misplaced Pages, but not there.
2. If you let your web browser search for the word "Misplaced Pages", it would have found it.

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Now you sound like my wife :-) "...You could of noticed this...Why didn't you see that and etc." Again thanks for your help. Shoessss |  Chat  08:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dom-I-Nechers by abreedy88

Can you explain how the Dom-I-Necher article has no useful content and how http://en.wikipedia.org/Beta_Lambda_Zeta does. If you feel that our name is disrespectful, thats not the case. The college I attend does not have national fraternities (ie. Kappa Alpha or Sigma Nu etc) but we have small local frats. There is no difference between Beta Lambda Zeta and ourselves in respect of our validity; Dom-I-Nechers. A dominecquer rooster is actually one of the largest roosters on the farm. It was selected by our founding brothers as our mascot and the name is most definately no reason to descriminate against us. It is an actual thing. I simply created the article in anticipation and planning for some of the brothers to continually edit the article and make it better. Please let it exist. Proof that we are indeed a valid fraternity. http://www.ehc.edu/studentlife/studentorg.html Look under Greek Organizations.

Thanks, Reedy

1. I understand that this article was written by a member of the group. I recommend that you read about Misplaced Pages's conflict of interests guideline.
2. Not every group of people is important. What's important about this fraternity? Please reply about this fraternity, not give examples of others. There are other articles like it isn't an acceptable reason, unless a decision was made for reasons which you can show apply to this, too. There is no record of anyone approving Beta_Lambda_Zeta.

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

WHAV (AM)

I have added a GFDL-compatible license at the original article's source and respectfully request that you undelete the article. I am new at Misplaced Pages and am willing to make other adjustments that may be required. Also, as to conflict of interest claims, my article was independently reviewed and found to be an objective history in accordance with conventions established by WikiProject Radio Stations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tcoco01830 (talk • contribs) 13:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Aruna Sairam

You recently deleted the above referenced page for lack of asserted notability. A copyright interview from The New Sunday Express here, world village.com here, and page about 2006 Carnegie Hall concert here may well help establish the required notability, and I would request that, if you agree, you restore the page. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 15:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I deleted it because the article, as it was until the time of deletion, didn't show importance. The outcome of a recent deletion review of an other deletion of mine came out as "speedy deletion endorsed, no indication in the article of subject's importance or significance, no prejudice to the writing of a version which does establish notability" - I think that would apply here, too. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

No disagreement. However, I believe that, as it stands, the subject can be demonstrated as notable, even if the earlier content doesn't indicate that. I would I think add the references I indicated above to the article in question were it deleted, probably within no more than I day or two (things get hectic around the end of the month with portals and all) but it would be useful to be able to start out with whatever was already there so that I could take advantage of whatever might have been useful in it. John Carter (talk) 17:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

There wasn't that much there, anyway. I don't see any reason to undelete it - just write a good stub, indicating the importance of the subject. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Sounds fair. John Carter (talk) 18:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Od, did you actually bother to do a basic search to assert whether the topic is notable? Administrators with initiative have managed to see that the editor has placed these speedy-delete templates unnecessarily, as evidenced here and here. In fact, this administrator has done a much more constructive thing of leaving a relevant tag so that the article can be improved here, while the other administrator was bold to make the necessary edit. I doubt very much that you are incapable of taking more constructive steps like these administrators, so please consider taking these sort of constructive steps in the future. And in case you are going to reply by trying to avoid the fact that the article need not have been deleted, it would be much more preferrable if you undeleted it and left it at that - in case you didn't notice, there are editors who are prepared to make the necessary changes from what it was rather than having to recreate it altogether from scratch. Thank you! Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC) - WikiProject India Assessment Department

Cooperative Learning Institute

Please read the second paragraph here ] :

"As a first step to build cooperation in communities, analysts at cooperative learning institute perform community analysis that helps them to understand the diversified needs of the community. Understanding the needs of community will be an output of the area where the community is working, their objectives and mission, procedures to accomplish their mission."

now from the article:

"As a first step to build cooperation in communities, analysts at cooperative learning institute perform community analysis that helps them to understand the diversified needs of the community. Understanding the needs of community will be an output of the area where the community is working, their objectives and mission, procedures to accomplish their mission."

Please read the sixth and seventh paragraph here ]: "Modeling will be very complex when people in hierarchy want to maintain a status-quo and do not want people to grow and compete.

Separate models are then prepared for the management heading the community about the challenges not taking the names of individuals and planned for some policy level enhancements, changes in the standard operating procedures of the community."

now from the article: "Modeling will be very complex when people in hierarchy want to maintain a status-quo and do not want people to grow and compete.

Separate models are then prepared for the management heading the community about the challenges not taking the names of individuals and planned for some policy level enhancements, changes in the standard operating procedures of the community."

I'm putting the tag back up I put a new tag (spam) up...as it is a copy straight from their website, and is not notable. Please adviseJosh.Pritchard.DBA (talk) 16:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Beast of Dean

Hi, i noticed you deleted the article, Beast of Dean because it was "is substantially identical to the version of the page that was deleted". the article i started had been arround for almost six months before another user (an IP adress, i think) added quite a bit to it. I never got a chance to read his/her edits befeore the page was deleted, but from what i skimmed it sounded rather hoaxish, with lots of unimportant, unsouced statements which the page i started did'nt have. If what you deleted looked like a nonsencical hoax, please let me know so i can resurect this page as it was before some vandal got it deleted. thanks,Ryan shell (talk) 17:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

It did look somewhat hoaxish, and like an expansion of your earlier version. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, but I didn't write any of the other versions of this article (the others that were deleted). It seems someone is continually editing this page and has caused it to be deleted more than once. when i get time, i'll start the article again and keep an eye out for this IP adress. Maybe if i keep reverting his/her edits, he/she will simply give up.Ryan shell (talk) 16:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Can you help?

Hi. Thanks for your help unblocking the block on my page. Could you help with one more thing please? I got banned for leaving a comment on Jimbo's talk page. I would still like to leave a comment but I don't want to get banned again. Can you let me know where I can I get approval to leave the comment. Sorry to pick on you for help, I tried asking the person that removed the comment what was wrong but they banned me and didn't answer. It's the first comment I made if you'd like to see it. ThanksAntHolnes (talk) 09:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

You were blocked because an admin thought you were a sockpuppet, meaning that the AntHolnes account is an account being used by some user with an other account, pretending to be a new user, in order to avoid being blocked for violating some rule. You weren't blocked for the content - only because of some suspicion about the account. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for replying. I've read your policies on banning and sock puppets and banning me for being a sock puppet just doesn't make sense when compared to what they say. That's not really your problem though I suppose, I need to speak to the committee about that apparently. So you're saying it's OK if I leave a comment that disagrees with people that don't want the recent information added. I'll try it. Thanks AntHolnes (talk) 11:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you are allowed to disagree with anyone here, just keep 2 rules in mind: Assume good faith and be civil. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:Expand problem

I think something about the change you made (maybe removing the "if") is making "{]" appear in some articles, such as Emma (windstorm). Shawis (talk) 08:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Declined speedy

You declined the speedy I placed on Misplaced Pages talk:Rouge admin/Former category talk page‎, with a note that it was moved from its former location. It's not anchored to anything; do we routinely keep talk pages that lack an associated article or category page? I'm sure you're aware of all Teh Drama™ surrounding this deleted category, and this just seems to be more of the same (flipping off the community because of a decision disliked by certain editors). Do I need to take it to xfD, and if so, which one? It's not an article, it's not a category or a user category (but the talk page), it's not a template, and MfD doesn't seem to apply either. Horologium (talk) 14:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I saw, in its history, what seemed to be a move designed to prevent its deletion under G8, presumably because the original mover thought it had important discussion which shouldn't be deleted. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. I'll talk with him, as I don't think that was what he had in mind. I hadn't checked who moved it, assuming it was another pointy move to go with all of the others over this cat; in this case, it appears to be a different case, since the admin who moved it also deleted the user category. Horologium (talk) 14:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Whitesun

You have deleted the page I started to make using an article I wrote sometime ago. You said it was blatant publicity to which I do not agree. Whitesun is a legend in the world of artificial tanning. One of the first to produce a solarium anyway. There is an article on Mercedes-Benz, BMW as they are leaders in the automotive market why not insert info on the leaders of other industry sectors. Please revise your decision because a company like Whitsun would not even need publicity to be frank. Zamolkses (talk) 15:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I just looked at the deleted version, and agree with its deletion under WP:CSD#G11.--Hu12 (talk) 15:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

That only means one thing, one that really makes something legendary in any domain cannot appear on wikipedia because some wannabe "professionals" don't let you. So much about open source and all. By the way Misplaced Pages could get a law suit for this because of you guys. I have nothing to do with Whitesun but one day someone in one of these companies will sue you for non competitive advertising!!!Zamolkses (talk) 17:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but the phrase "has always been a step further in designing and producing tanning equipment" is one that I'd expect to see in an ad, not in an article. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Advertising?.. Misplaced Pages is NOT a "vehicle for advertising". thank you.--Hu12 (talk) 17:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

That's my point. I took a phrase from his ad to show him why I think it's an ad. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Absoluty agree, blatent advert at that!--Hu12 (talk) 18:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahrimanius

Sorry, I don't have any records on that or recollection of it any more - it was almost 2 years ago. However, that fact that he would create the account on May 3 2006 and not use it until March 5 2008 is very odd, don't you think? Jayjg 04:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Please see talk page for the eastern synod

I have replied to your comments. I am sure you will find them helpful. Take care Thright (talk) 21:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)thright

Obama edit

See my comment below yours. I'm sure you were not aware of the article's previous discussions about keeping that section heading. The use of "Political advocacy" has satisfied consensus for more than one year and the last time it was changed (in July 2007) the revert came immediately afterwards and the heading has stayed there until today. Kindly consider reverting your edit? Thanks. --HailFire (talk) 07:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)