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Misplaced Pages survey

Hi. I'm doing a survey of Misplaced Pages editors as part of a class research project. It's quick, anonymous, and the data will be made available to the Misplaced Pages community later this month. Would you like to take part? More info here. Thanks! Nonplus 01:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

John Sinclair

I added to your information about John Sinclair at Jill Sinclair. His bio often includes a reference to the fact that he 'is the producer of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" and "Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody".' Do you know anything about that? Rabbi-m 02:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. He played on the second Buggles album, Adventures in Modern Recording, but I don't know much more about him. Bondegezou 11:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes

Can you put in a comment/citation about Yes´ number ones on the Bill Bruford page? Thanks. andreasegde 00:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not certain it's particularly relevant on the Bruford page, but the band's UK and US chart history is recorded on their Misplaced Pages page: Tales from Topographic Oceans and Going for the One were both UK #1s. Bondegezou 11:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Canterbury Sound

Would you consider a category "Canterbury sound" useful? Best regards, --BNutzer 21:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that would be a very good idea, yes! Bondegezou 16:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

So be it: Category:Canterbury sound! Cheers, --BNutzer 23:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Update

In the description of the Category:Canterbury sound, I would like to see mentioned that quite a few of the bands/musicians are still active today, but I am not sure how to put that into english words properly, maybe you could add a (sub-)sentence saying so? Cheers, BNutzer 12:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Caravan of Dreams (band)

Maybe you can add some info (like the first line-up with Mark Hewins)? Cheers, --BNutzer 16:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I got a bit carried away and added a whole section on predecessor band Going Going (and created a re-direct from Going Going)! Thanks for your work on some of the other Canterbury scene articles. Bondegezou 10:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

John Etheridge

Hi, I have just added him (and a few basic sources links) to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Jazz#Requested_articles, so, if you're interested, hurry up before someone else does it ;) Cheers, BNutzer 20:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

FYI: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Jazz#Category:Jazz_fusion_groups_has_been_created

BNutzer 07:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Susanne Lewis

A tag has been placed on Susanne Lewis, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable (see the guidelines for notability here). If you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please write {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself.

Please read the criteria for speedy deletion (specifically, articles #7) and our general biography criteria. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Missvain 05:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Mark Foley Scandal

Please note that I have just nominated Mark Foley Scandal for Featured Article status. You can find comments about its nomination here. I am leaving this message because you have significantly contributed to the article. Thesmothete 02:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Current Events Barnstar
		With thanks for your many contributions to Liberal Democrats leadership election, 2006 at the start of the year. Timrollpickering 19:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

see what talk page?

You wrote in your edit summary - - see Talk page but you did not write anything in Talk:Serbian parliamentary election, 2007 were you referring to another talk page? Thanks. // Laughing Man 15:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I was referring to the discussion there under the subheading "Voting in Kosovo?" Bondegezou 15:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I still do not see any comments by you there in that section. What is the basis for your edits? // Laughing Man 16:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I was referring to other people's comments there; not my own. This does not seem like a contentious issue to me, but I'll look for some good citations in due course. You can also try asking the discussants on the Talk page for some citations. In the mean time, I've inserted a "citation needed" tag, which seems the best way forward. Bondegezou 16:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

My issue is that I feel like adding this, without giving the background on to why the voters are not registered is also misleading, and should be noted. In any case, I will try to find some time to work on the article and find sources and expand upon what you have added. Thanks. // Laughing Man 16:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Ian Wallace (drummer)

Without wanting to revert to and fro, isn't reputable ("having a good reputation; "a reputable business"; "a reputable scientist"; "a reputable wine" ) more appropriate than reputed (commonly put forth or accepted as true on inconclusive grounds; "the foundling's putative father"; "the reputed (or purported) author of the book"; "the supposed date of birth" ) to describe Wallace's substantial and substantiated career as a session musician? AllyD 23:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

"Reputable" sounds very odd to me in this context (it feels as if it is contrast to "disreputable", which seems the wrong point to be making). "Reputed" can be a near synonym of "reputable" or "respectable" and sounds better to me. Arguably, either word falls foul of Misplaced Pages:Avoid weasel words. The list of people with whom he worked speaks for itself, so I'm going to remove "reputed" and leave it bare, but feel free to change it as you wish. Bondegezou 10:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Tireless Contributor Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I bestow upon you this "Tireless Contributor Barnstar" for your edits in articles about progressive rock Quoth nevermore 13:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Invite

--h i s _{r e s e a r c h} 18:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

FTAB

The reference you stated did not support the claim, certainly does. If you will look on the right side of the page in the caption, you will note it states, "Some of the Aggie band's maneuvers are so complex that some drill-charting software says that the drills are impossible because they require multiple people to be in the same place at the same time." As such, I have added it back. — BQZip01 —  20:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, mea culpa—I missed the picture caption. Bondegezou 20:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Del Palmer

An article that you have been involved in editing, Del Palmer, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Del Palmer (second nomination). Thank you. -- WebHamster 10:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

UK Centre for Excellence

I'd be all for you adding that article, and then we create the disambig. But disambig pages are only for when we have more than one article that can point to the same title. It doesn't include external link disambigs - we aren't a web directory, after all. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Biota (band)

Thank you for the compliment! I'll certainly have a look at Biota. --Bruce1ee 15:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Great start you've made on the article. I've made a few adjustments myself and added a little, but there's not much info that I can find on them. Please check the members in the infobox, I'm not sure if I've got that right. --Bruce1ee 08:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Privacy policy

Do not identify editors' real life identities. Ever. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 16:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Your identity is already identified on Misplaced Pages; that's how I figured it out. I did not identify you in my comments. I did give some details about you that seemed pertinent: I apologise if these are too revealing of your identity -- I didn't think they would be. Bondegezou 16:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It is a fairly obvious case of harassment using my real life identity, bogus application of irrelevant policies, and rehashing dead and unconnected issues to try to cause harm to me. I am under no editing sanction. You should not have done it and you should apologise. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 10:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I wish you no harm and continue to have great respect for your psephological knowledge, but I feel the edits you made were inappropriate and, in some cases, raise concern under the policies stated (WP:BLP, WP:ATTACKPAGE, WP:AGF, WP:COI, WP:TE). I can live with the current state of Miranda Grell, Maurice Burgess and Bermondsey by-election, 1983. If no-one agrees with my concerns over your edits, then I have nothing further to say on the matter. If you wish to discuss this further, I am happy to do so. Otherwise, I refer you to my earlier comments. Bondegezou 12:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:BLP applies only where material is not adequately sourced, so that's irrelevant. You were blatantly infringing WP:AGF on my edits. You raised an irrelevant case that is now long over just to blacken my name, and then you linked it to my real life identity in blatant violation of WP:HARASS. As far as the rest, I'd like to know how you can make a case that you didn't create Miranda Grell as an attack page, with a blatant conflict of interest, and as part of a campaign of tendentious editing. Sadly there is no WP:HYPOCRISY policy under which you can be blocked. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 14:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

To respond to your comments in order... I can but refer you to my earlier comments on WP:AGF. The case you consider irrelevant seems relevant to me as it is about a similar pattern of behaviour concerning related pages (Peter Tatchell rather than Bermondsey by-election, 1983), but I did go out of my way to say "Fys' past behaviour should not be held against him". I did not identify you. I'm sorry you feel I am harassing you; clearly I disagree, but you are of course at liberty to take that complaint to the appropriate place. I created Miranda Grell because I had seen news coverage of her, had come to Misplaced Pages for more information, found that no page existed and, thus, created one. I note that your proposal that Miranda Grell be deleted was unanimously rejected. I have described my slight WP:COI elsewhere; if you are going to talk about conflicts of interest, perhaps you should mention your own greater conflict of interest. Bondegezou 15:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Miranda Grell has nothing whatsoever to do with Bermondsey; they're entirely different cases. The arb case had nothing to do with POV editing and is merely coincidental here anyway. You can't have it both ways: either it's relevant or it isn't, and your attempt to sidestep that looks like a flimsy excuse. The fact is that individual local councillors are, by long precedent, not considered notable by themselves.

But then we come to your whopping great big mistake. How on earth do I have any conflict of interest at all? Only in the sense that I happen to support a particular political party. So do you! Where is the conflict of interest? There is no "close personal connection". There is no personal connection at all (never met her). There is absolutely no rule that prohibits an editor from editing something on which they are known or suspected of having an opinion; it would rule you out from all British politics articles for a start. So I repudiate the suggestion that I have any conflict of interest at all. And I'm not going to have all my edits viewed through the prism of the worst-case scenario reading that they must be all politically-motivated. That is intense harassment of the most despicable kind. It poisons the whole atmosphere. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 15:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I do not understand the case you are making in your first paragraph. As for your second paragraph, having a conflict of interest is, indeed, not a reason for someone not to edit a page, but it is a reason for them to be careful in editing pages, for example taking greater note of other editors' views and using talk pages more. In the case of Miranda Grell, saying you "happen to support a particular political party" understates your potential for conflicted interest and it seems to me disingenuous to pretend otherwise. I am a member of a UK political party, yes, and have declared that. I do not view all your edits "through the prism of the worst-case scenario reading that they must be all politically-motivated". That said, I have explained why I was concerned about the particular edits I highlighted. Bondegezou 16:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

ID

Hi, I note your edit on the basis that IDers believe the designer to be the Christian God. Amongst the leaders, at least one is supposed to be Jewish, and there's a Turkish creationist who goes around promoting ID as supporting Islam. Hope that explains why we didn't specify Christian. Thanks, .. dave souza, talk 15:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure, fair enough. Perhaps one could explicitly say "Abrahamic God" then? If the link is to a particular conception of God (and the reference specifies the Christian God), it would seem useful to spell that out. Bondegezou 16:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Asia (band)

If you think you're going to make progress with this IP then you can delete the request from WP:RFPP and reinstate it there later if talks break down. My opinion, looking at him, is that this isn't likely to happen. I'll take a look at this later. --Rodhullandemu (please reply here - contribs) 14:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

"...is a loosely-defined term describing a rock era" - From the opening sentence of the Arena Rock article :-) Hope that clears things up! Scarian 00:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, ASIA fan pees here. Can you reinstate my link ... you have them dead to right. They have not responded to you. It may look better if you did so. If you do please put The authorized ASIA Fan Club. Thank you for all your help.

I think at this time it is better to continue to try to find consensus on the Talk page before re-instating the link. Let's see how things unfold. Bondegezou (talk) 10:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

ASIA pres.... thanks...they are not responding to you because you broke it down and explained the policy in legal terms. They will only respond when I re-add the link, they will remove it again, but that may bring it back to the discussion page again. They're just going to ignore it and let it alone until they see the link back up. As said, this isn't a show of hands. He has a few people go one there to try to show a vote, I have 2 thousand newsletter members if they want a show of hands I'm game, but I didn't do that, we were there to talk about the legal aspect of it, and again they did not and will not respond because you're right. So I just went there and asked if we're all set? The site is in the official biography, that in itself is enough to show relavant status. What really happened was I was mad that they moved my link to the bottom, so I moved it back to the #2 slot and did not remove any link there, then for the first hour of the war, (sure you can see the history of this) they removed my link only, after about the first hour of the edit war, they removed the ASIA my space page, as an attempt to show it's not just you. Thank you once again for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.184.84 (talk) 10:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there's any great urgency here, so I am happy to leave the situation for a few more days to give everyone possible an opportunity to input. If there is no further development in the discussion, then I am happy to return the link or support someone else doing that. Bondegezou (talk) 11:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Can you please remove asiafanclub.com from the blacklist I don't know how to do it, once again they have not respoded and barek agreed that the link should be reinserted. Please help, thank you, Asia pres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.238.124.219 (talk) 04:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It is my intention to work on getting the link removed from the blacklist. It's not something I can do, but I can help persuade an administrator that that is appropriate. However, this is not going to happen over night, so I recommend patience for now! Bondegezou (talk) 18:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Asia pres here, just to let you know that AP banned me from posting till the the 23rd for sock puppet being modrago and through wikis investigation I was cleared of being modrago so it is proven I was falsly accused. I can't post there anymore. Btw someone just posted a link on my forum under the thread Yes 40 anniversary that seems to have your name on it. AP

RU-486 History BioScience info

Thanks for the input and advise. I appreciate it. If you're interested, give me your FAX number and I send it to you. Thanks again! Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 03:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

My mistake

My bad on the Mike Gravel article. I wasn't paying attention and thought you had added all those "senators" instead of removing them. Mea culpa. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for mediation accepted

A Request for Mediation to which you were are a party has been accepted. You can find more information on the case subpage, Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/New antisemitism. For the Mediation Committee, WjBscribe 18:45, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

positioning of the maps

Because there is so little text before the chart begins, the maps bleed into the chart. To avoid this, I have put the maps in between two {{-}} signs and I have centered the two maps onto one plane. Please understand that not all monitors see what you see and that some monitors saw an ugly overlapping bleed between the maps and the charts. Kingturtle (talk) 03:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I created a temporary image to show you what the article looked like prior to my edit tonight: Image:Map-chart-bleed.PNG . Kingturtle (talk) 03:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Michelle Leonard

-- RoninBK _{T C} 01:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Transmural care

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John Payne (singer)

Thanks for understanding the BLP issue I pointed out. Regarding your statement that you "tried establishing communication through edit summaries and the user's talk page, but to no avail", yeah that sucks. But I think that anon IPs don't always see the "You have new messages" banner. Not sure though, that might be fixed by now. Oh, and sorry for accidentally removing that {{cn}} tag.

Regarding your statement "I'll look out for appropriate citations," just keep in mind that the anon removing the birth date might be Payne himself removing it for privacy reasons. I don't think he is high-profile enough not to have any expectation of privacy. Even if you find a good source, consider maybe just using the birth year, as WP:BLP suggests. Thanks, Mike R (talk) 20:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure. And thanks again for the input. Bondegezou (talk) 21:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Asia

Thanks. But be careful, some might more off at that as canvassing. CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 17:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I contacted everybody who had been part of the discussion, regardless of whether their views were supportive or not, so I feel confident that it does not constitute canvassing. Bondegezou (talk) 21:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Signature

You forgot to sign your comment on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Savannah Shane. It will look better if you fix it as oppose to a bot or another user :-) Thanks and have a great day! TheProf | Talk 16:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Guy Manning

Because it hadn't gone through PROD or AFD and had only been previously speedied, I've gone ahead and unprotected it from re-creation. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Neville Whitehead (bassist)

Hi. long time no interference ;) I thought you might be interested in creating an article about Neville Whitehead, see http://www.google.com/search?q=%22neville+whitehead%22+site:calyx.club.fr. Regards, BNutzer (talk) 03:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the fast response! Greetings, BNutzer (talk) 08:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Jon Courtney

Hi. I'm just dropping by to let you know that I have moved your note about Jon Courtney on BLPN. This won't be an issue if you look it up by name, obviously, but if you had remembered its order I didn't want you wondering where it had gone. :) Since Justpassinby opened a new BLPN ticket, I wanted to put the two sections together. --Moonriddengirl 13:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Pure Reason Revolution

Hi. With regards to your note on my talk page, good luck; I hope that you get a helpful response at the administrator's noticeboard, but don't be too surprised if you don't. Generally, cases I see there don't raise much response until they are blatant. When dealing with tendentious editors, and this kind of edit cannot be perceived as anything but, you may find that the best response is to create an article that cannot be subverted without obvious disruption. Impeccable sourcing and strict adherence to policy & guideline help in that. But you do need to be careful that efforts to deal with the situation don't lead you into trouble with policy yourself. I note from your edit summary that you're aware that WP:3RR prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period, and I'm glad to see that you self-corrected there. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Your best bet is probably to pursue dispute resolution. In your place, I would head over to the third opinion board to request a neutral opinion on the passages being reverted/inserted. Please phrase your request carefully to remain neutral in presentation, or no one will respond. I will warn Justpassinby of WP:3RR as well. If, as he seems to self-profess, he is the IP editor editing the page, he has gone over 3RR already today and needs to be made aware of the potential consequence. --Moonriddengirl 19:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

ANI

Hello, Bondegezou. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion can be found under the topic User:Justpassinby. --Moonriddengirl 18:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)