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I thought CSD doesn't apply after a failed XfD? At any rate, I fully agree with your sentiment, so please go ahead and delete it. Dorftrottel (bait) 22:16, March 18, 2008

gotta question

Can someone remove a sock notice from their page once the block has expired on their other accounts they've used? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, yes. Sock notice, or socksuspect? If/when the sockpuppet case is resolved, and is resolved with no blocks/indef blocks/bans, (and without knowing what case you're even talking about), I would hunch that the notice can and should be removed. I know it can be removed if after 10 days if a proper evidence page isn't formed. (Inaction is no action) Again, I don't know what case you are talking about, just going by what it says on the templates. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Pamela J. Ball

I really don't understand the whole pile-on that just took place. User:Jeandré claimed that there were two pamela Ball's, one from Britain, but I could not find such a person in 220 google hits. As far as I can see, there is only one author here, who wrote 2 novels as Pamela Ball and several books on dreams, women's wisdom, natural magic, etc either as pamela Ball or Pamela J. Ball. If they are two people, they are both notable enough for articles: one would have at least published two novels through Penguin and W.W. Norton, and hold an M.A. in English from Florida State, been awarded the Hemingway Short Fiction award, and been a public speaker for Florida State and University of Hawaii. The other would be an author of sixteen books through Random House (Gramercy), Foulsham, and other non-vanity presses, including two historical books on Jack the Ripper and Nostradamus. I would agree that if there is a real question as to whether there are two people here is should be sorted out, but besides the claim by Jeandre I can find nothing to support that there is such a controversy. The only thing that I can see that even looks odd is that the publisher's bio for Random House doesn't mention the novels, but sometimes authors do separate their careers in fiction from the ones in non-fiction.

I'm not sure what the next move is. I've called Random House, but the publicist there said they have nothing except the bio on the website to point me to. I've called a couple of other publishers with no luck; usually, they just refer me to an e-mail address to ask my questions, and I've gotten no responses. I don't really understand the large number of people who immediately stomped on this author's article. I don't know her, I've never worked on anything with her, and don't have any stake in this, but it bothers me enough that I'd like to pursue it. Rosencomet (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm very glad you want to continue with this! Please know, I found your arguments very compelling, and the pile on deletes were surprising to me as well - the shear number of them really left me no choice but to delete. Would you like a userfied version of the article? I'd be happy to move it to your userspace to sort out the apparent "double persona". I have no idea who Pamela Ball is either. Never read anything by her (or either of her:-). Let me know, I'll retrieve the article to work on! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Malleus RfC

Hi Keeper,

I'm happy for the RfC to go away right now, it seems that consensus has been reached that it's outlived its usefulness - but being involved as an Outside View in the process, I don't know that it's appropriate for me to actually do the archiving.

Incidentally, even though we obviously disagree on Malleus' conduct, I appreciate the way you handled yourself in the dispute; which is more than less a textbook example of how such things should be handled. Best wishes, Lankiveil 14:57, 27 March 2008 (UTC).

Wow, thanks Lankiveil, I'm gonna save this thread! I agree that the RfC is no longer about Malleus, et al, but is now merely using him/them as an example of a bigger problem. That isn't fair to any parties involved. I suppose let it be for a couple of hours, see if any objections turn up, taking into account timezones, close it in the morning? I would, but I have no idea how, and more importantly, I'm obviously severely biased. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

No need to worry about bias, that sounds like a sensible course of action to me, especially as my comment even brought Malleus out to agree! I don't see any point either in continuing to put each party through such a potentially embarassing process, now that cooler heads have prevailed. Lankiveil 23:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC).

Hmm...this seems like something I would have been interested in. Since it seems to have been deleted, could you give me a basic overview...who initiated it, what about, etc.? Thanks Keepsy, dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 23:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

It was about this. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Ta. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 00:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Bah!

And here I was on my way to the main page, too! But since you spoiled my fun, I just wanted to stop say thank you for all your kind words and encouragement during my RfA. I'm looking forward to digging through lots and lots of messes at ANI with you :) --jonny-mt 15:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou!

Thankyou for reverting the vandalism to my talk page. I was on wiki at the time just scanning pages and you still beat me to the vandalism on my own page. Waacstats (talk) 22:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

That's right, I am greased lightning! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Watchlists?

Actually, I wasn't watchlisting your talk page -- I have User talk:Acroterion on my watch list, because I asked him a question some time ago. The user who vandalized your talk page also vandalized Acroterion's page and several others, so I pounced on the vandal and blocked him swiftly.

I didn't have any reason to watchlist your talk page until now, but now that I've left you a message here, I have to watch it.  :) --Elkman 01:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I suppose I have to reply to justify you watchlisting me now? I hope I don't screw up too bad...thanks again:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Great edit summary

Apparently never took your page off my watchlist after some discussion we had and I have to say, this edit summary gave me a good laugh. Admins need a good sense of humour, I see? :) Happy almost Friday! TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 03:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

If I don't laugh, I'll cry most days....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

If there's no crying in baseball, then there's definitely no crying in Misplaced Pages. Can't wait for opening day even though you're a fan of a clearly inferior team ;) TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 17:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm a fan because they clearly are an inferior team, (and proud of it), but that doesn't seem to stop them! I would much rather live in a market that prefers to build a team instead of buying one. (And, by the way, Cashman is a hilariously appropriate name)...:-) You can knock my editing, you can call me names, you can report me to ANI or WQA, but don't even try to diss my boys. I have block buttons. (and let me state explicitly that I'm entirely joking) Or am I?  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Well I used to have a great rebuttal about the Yankees at least winning when they bought their teams, but that hasn't worked so well lately. I'm looking forward to seeing how the kid pitchers do this year. I understand how non-Yankee fans feel, I feel the same about the Patriots, but I'm a yankee fan from birth (or pretty close). Can't shake it. TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 19:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice picture! Are you the old guy or the young babe in the pic? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

He's the young babe. Enigma 21:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

*chuckle* that was summer of 1980 and I was the little bit of a thing back then. This was actually the photo I was looking for this afternoon but couldn't find it at first because I was searching on 'Yankee'. My father grew up right near the Stadium so Yankee runs in our blood. It's been a long off season and I can't wait for Monday. TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 01:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing

My usual response to red-links and IP's that accuse anyone of being a "fag" is along the lines of, "You wish!" In the case of that one, he was a one-use account with one entry. At least I can't say my page has never been vandalized. But I don't keep or post a count of them, since that would only encourage them. :) P.S. Watch for coverage of the Saturday exhibition game at the Los Angeles Coliseum with the Red Sox and Dodgers. It should be a hoot. Baseball Bugs 18:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

No prob, BBugs. Blocked indef as well, clear username violation. One and done. 100K baseball fans? At an exhibition game? Unreal. You'd think it were The Ashes. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, they're hoping for 100,000, but that doesn't mean they'll get them. The Ashes would be fun to watch. From the cheap seats, as with the Coliseum, a telescope might be needed. Baseball Bugs 20:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:

Quite simply, he has accused me of incivility where I have done nothing wrong, and in so many words told me that I'm wrong for doing what I am doing. Furthermore, he points to a statement I made, then reverted, and claims that I am pushing things "too far". I don't see how he has the standing to tell me that. — scetoaux (T/C) 19:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Where did he "accuse you of incivility?" I'm not seeing it. I'm not saying he did, or didn't, I'm just not seeing it. Either way, you are accusing him of incivility, and have opened an RfC for it. Are you suggesting that his better action, if the same slight occurred, is to open an RfC on you? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

It's no longer relevant. I just want to get on with things, so I've withdrawn for the last time. Can you close it for me? — scetoaux (T/C) 19:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

No I cannot close it. I'm too involved. I find this whole thing rather ridiculous of course. I want the whole thing to go away as quickly and quietly as (I presume) you do as well. Happy editing, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the whole thing is rather embarrassing. I still don't view Malleus' behavior as appropriate, but it's not severe enough that I need to go through the stress of this entire conflict. Hopefully I can put it past me and it won't damage my prospects too much. — scetoaux (T/C) 19:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah? Wait til your RfA, I'm gonna crucify you over this debacle. Muahahahahaah! Just kidding. Maybe we can find WJBScribe to close it or some other noninvolved admin/crat. Tan | 39 19:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

All joking aside Scetoaux, I would be very hard pressed to support an RfA of yours right now or in the near future. Your baffling RfC, retraction, retraction of your retraction, and then quick retraction of your retraction of your retraction, leaves me baffled as to your stability. That being said, this will all very soon be rear-view mirror stuff, lost/forgotten and unseen by most, and I never say never. You have one of the best usernames (now that I know the history of it) that I've seen. I wish I would have been that creative upon registering. Happy editing, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, just like we told Scetoaux not to blow it out of proportion, let's not blow this out of proportion, either. A mistake was made. I can sort of put myself in his shoes right now and imagine that he's really, really wishing he could just delete the whole thing and move on like it never happened. He's in coaching, he does good work, lesson learned. Hell, after this, he might be more circumspect than other admins when it comes to escalating issues. Tan | 39 20:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Tan, you're right. That's why I said "never say never". I didn't want to presume that he wants to delete the whole RfC, (he might, he might not - I have no idea). Could be one of the best admins Misplaced Pages ever had. I wouldn't support an RfA right now is all I said. No offense intended, just an honest opinion. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand. I have no fault with you for that. At this point I'd be hesitant about supporting myself.

Not that it makes much difference now after the damage has been done, but you might be interested in this. — scetoaux (T/C) 20:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

It takes a big person to apologize, you get points for it. That being said, I would love to see you self-nom an RfA and be the first one in the oppose section. That would be hilarious. (I'm of course joking, don't open an RfA right now, and if you do, don't oppose yourself :-) Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow. I expected it to be closed. I definitely didn't expect it to be deleted. — scetoaux (T/C) 20:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Malleus RfC take 2

The thing has started to spiral out of control, with personal animosities and so forth. Yes, I'm on record as not thinking there was much point to the RfC to begin with. But even leaving that aside things are rolling downhill, with people saying things that are personal and unhelpful. Any way to cut it off before it gets worse? I get uneasy when squabbles develop like this. Raymond Arritt (talk) 20:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

You're definitely free to close it. — scetoaux (T/C) 20:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, he was involved, too... do we need an uninvolved? I was gonna ask Tiptoety. Tan | 39 20:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I've posted to WP:BN here. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to thank you Keeper for your common sense and support during this RfC, which I did find to be an unnecessary distraction and even a tad stressful at times. I will try to take what positive lessons I can from the experience, and to deal with the negative ones. I'm a firm believer in the old saw "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger", and as I'm not dead yet - so far as I can tell - I must be stronger. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Glad I could help. I would do it for anyone that contributes as much as you do to this crazy place and is (IMO) superficially accused. Sceotoaux and Balloonman had their heart in the right place, but followed it too far (in my not so transparent opinion). Please don't make me defend you again, aye? Be nicer, at least in talk pages/RfAs? As much as I appreciate and generally agree with your candor and direct communication style, others' obviously don't see it the same way. Whatever happens in the bye and bye, glad to see the RfC is redlinked, and rather prideful that I was able to help get it that way. Now, go back to work!  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I haven't been neglecting my editorial duties, as you've obviously noticed. :-) Deleting the RfC was the right thing to do, not just for me but even more for Sceotoaux I think. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter to me whether there's an RfC skeleton hanging in my closet or not, but it could matter to him. So a good result, and you have every reason to feel prideful.

If you see me in the future making the kind of comments at RfA, AfD, talk pages, or anywhere else that you think a reasonable editor might take objection to then I hope that you will feel free to let me know. I can't promise to always agree with you, but I can promise to always think seriously about your opinion. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

RFA's

My personal inclination, if I were involved in Admin selection, would be one of automatic suspicion of anyone who appears to be too eager to become an Admin. Baseball Bugs 20:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

But the salient question is, would you consider it prima facia evidence of power hunger? ;-) Tan | 39 20:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

(e/c, and thanks Tan for muddying my talkpage with that:-) What is this in response to? I thought we were talking about baseball....are you snooping? FWIW, that's my inclination as well. As an aside, you can very easily be involved in "Admin selection", as can any logged in editor in good standing. All opinions of admin candidates are welcome, just go to requests for adminship and throw your .02 in. The more the merrier, and the stronger the consensus. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not interested in being an admin. In any case, I think that adminship should start with someone or some"ones" recommending someone else for it. Someone who seeks it themselves, needs to be looked at very closely. Baseball Bugs 20:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, back to baseball. The snow is melting in Minneapolis, and in a couple of years, we could be starting the season here today, outdoors. Baseball Bugs 20:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

You don't have to be interested in being an admin to be interested in who else is up for adminship. Go support or oppose someone! There are easily a half-dozen or so candidates that are standing for the extra buttons any given day. You can help them along their "chosen path" or help stop them from getting the tools if you feel they are a bad candidate. As long as you explain your position (like AfD of course), your opinions are welcome. I'll stress, you are welcome to contribute there if it interests you to know who will/will not get admin tools. Just know, it can sometimes turn into a friggin circus. It is way more brutal than AfDs.  :-) Ah baseball. We still have snow on the ground. Today is a lovely 45 degrees Fahrenheit. Lovely day. The hilarious thing about this taxpayer subsidized stadium (don't even get me started there) is that it's the opposite of the rationale given when the Metrodome was opened. We had an outdoor stadium. We got "sold" an indoor because of our climate, 20 friggin years ago. (or more? don't remember the date...) Now, we are "sold" this idea that "baseball is meant to be played outdoors". Cripes. Anything to give the bill to the taxpayer instead of the billionaire owner. Grrr. I said, don't get me started. I'll always love my boys though. Ain't their fault. And the new stadium, as much as I detest paying for it, I know I'll enjoy going there. Parking on that end of town is a real bitch though... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll look into it. Meanwhile, I wish I had a time machine. The first thing I would do, other than trying to save the world or something, is to go back to about 1980 and tell the Minnesota citizens, "By the way, you'll be imploding this thing in about 2010. Enjoy!" Baseball Bugs 21:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

"I view self-noms as prima facie evidence..." oops, I got lost. I thought this was an RfA. *whistles* Enigma 20:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I refuse to get involved with anything that has anything to do with the italicized prima facie evidence. Please, Enigmaman, read this. It completely changed my view of the whole issue, perhaps it will change yours? Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I actually read that a few days ago. :) I've read all the arguments on both sides, believe it or not (dug through Kurt's talk archives and the complaints filed through official channels). I don't have much of an opinion on the matter. My edit was meant as a joke. Enigma 21:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

However, speaking of DHMO's opinion essays, there's a much more entertaining one to be read. Enigma 21:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I've read that essay as well. Hilarious. :-) The problem with the whole KMWeber stuff though, as far as I see it, is that the "joke" is at the expense of another editor. 99% of editors disagree with his Rfa sentiments. Here nor there. The problem, according to the essay, is that it has become an in-joke beyond what should be tolerated by a long time editor. I know you didn't mean any harm by it, I've made the same (and worse) jabs with the same light-heartedness in mind. I only said what I said because I made a complete turn-around based on Water's essay. Thanks E-man, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Joke at his expense? Whether he deserves all the bashing he's gotten is another matter, but anyone who leaves the same comment at hundreds of pages is going to have people poke fun at him/her. For example, although this is much less inflammatory and isn't a !vote, if I left "have a pleasant day" at the end of every one of my messages or something, I'd expect people to poke fun at me for it. Enigma 21:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Not a joke at his expense, an "in-joke" at his expense. Very different, IMO. I joke around quite a bit around here, and enjoy the humor (intended or unintended) that is rampant in this wacky place. But an injoke is something different, I've come to realize. An injoke has a hidden assumption of malice. It's like a non-visible "wink". It can come across as very negative. (and I love injokes). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I see what you're saying. I'll try to avoid injokes in the future. Enigma 21:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Have a pleasant day (he said as a newly christened in-joke between Enigmaman and Keeper...:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:Thanks!

Thanks, numberman! I appreciate the fix. I had never realized I had anything wrong with that link (because it was blue, not red) Side note, glad you're still around. I've been watching your contribs (still have you watchlisted, my bad) and think you are doing great! Let me know if you ever need anything, happy editing, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Uh...well, I need:

• Acceptance of my apologies for being an asshole earlier. That semi-manifesto was completely uncalled for.
• Admin coaching for pretty much the rest of the year. They say 6 months, but I'll go for 10 just to be sure.
• ...I got nothin' else.

Call me a flip-flopper, but there it is. Amazing things happen when one's mood clears up... 21655 / _ʃign 00:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

(Typical of 21655...always blames it on his mood...) 21655 / _ʃign 00:46, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

No problems man, live and learn. Glad to see you refocused. You seem to be enjoying this place again, which after all, is critical to Misplaced Pages's success (and seeing as how the pay sucks). If you're interested in admin coaching, I might be available, but I need to ponder that a bit. You shot me down pretty hard with a TL;DR, RL for me just went nuts, and I'm already a co-coach for someone else. Let me think about it for a few days? I'll let you know by Tues. Otherwise, snoop around the coaching pages and see if there is someone else that might work for you, maybe a co-coaching sitch would work? Just thinking out loud - after those "RFAs", you might need two ;). BTW, found an article I thought you'd like, numberman....Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

City in Maryland? Yeah, I'm aware of the "resemblance". Hehe.

PS: TL;DR = ? 21655 / _ʃign 16:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

PPS: Nevermind--I asked Riana. Sorry. 21655 / _ʃign 17:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem numberman - I look forward to supporting your future RfA! Oh, and TL;DR (scroll down to "T" :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Could you take a look at this?

User_talk:Balloonman#Some_RfA_related_ramblings - just looked over Tanthalas39's, now coming to you for something similar for me ;) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 02:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you asking me to admin coach? I read the ramblings, it sounds like you're asking Balloonman...watcha need waterman? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, nah, a co-coach would be sweet. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 23:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm Kosher with a co-coach... Balloonman (talk) 05:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Holy Cannoli, batman. How long have I been offline, a day and a half? Don't you two ever sleep? That coachpage is insane! (And, I might add, absolutely spot-on assessment of Water, Balloonman, now that I've read a tad bit of the history myself) As for co-coaching, I'm interested, but give me a coupla hours. RL went bonkers last Fri, hasn't settled yet. I should be able to make a more sane decision by later today after lunch (3-5 hours from timestamp). Also, I wanna read more water/giggy history as a lot of that was before my time. Off to the subpages and archives for Keep -- Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Opening Day

This will serve as a good reminder that the public has yet again been taken in by greedy team owners who get the public to foot the bill for something. The original plan in the early 90s called for a domed stadium. That reminds me... I took a picture of the model that was on display in the Metrodome at that time. Would it be a copyright violation to put that picture in the new ballpark article under a "what could have been" section? Baseball Bugs 16:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

(e/c, you're next TCari...) If you took the picture, you hold the copyright. You can release it under GFDL. Unless you mean you took the picture, as in "stole it from the model display", similar to "I took the loaf of bread from the store." Your pictures are your pictures. That being said, and as much as I'd like to see a "what could have been" section for the laughs, it would probably get removed from the article. Which, BTW, is the "working title." Dear God, I hope a decent company fronts the money. We don't need to be called something stupid, like "Smuckers Jelly Stadium". Or more Minnesotan and more terrifying Spam Field. Good grief. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Spam? Well, Hormel already has a Row of Fame. They might as well have the whole thing. Although I was hoping for something to do with Lutefisk. Baseball Bugs 17:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I only took a picture of the model, not the model itself. I wouldn't actually call it "what could have been", but more like "previous proposals" or some such. Baseball Bugs 17:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Some guy got a photo of a Hall of Fame plague removed from one of the articles, on the grounds of "no fredoom of panorma", whatever that means, even though the editor himself had taken the picture. Baseball Bugs 17:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

That might be a sticking point. Hmmm....I'll be right back...Ah, OK. Reading User-created images, you took a picture of a three dimensional entity, which gives you copyright, which you could then release under GFDL. If you took a picture of a painting, or creative two dimensional work, it might be an issue, but you took a picture of a three dimensional (I'm assuming) model, that was on public display, and was likely published in numerous sources. Could work! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Although, since whatever was "under the glass", although 3D, probably had a copyright, your picture, although yours, may have a retained copyright of the model...Ick. I would go to Misplaced Pages Talk:Copyrights. I'm no expert here. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Or I could just upload it and see how long it lasts. Typically, if you say, "May I do this?" there will always be someone ready to say "No!" Baseball Bugs 17:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm still hoping for Opening Day here in The Bronx. Rain trying to prevent it but I hope that doesn't happen. My first of the season is 4.16 against the Sox, have to go to one of those matchups each year TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 17:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

(e/c again! Sheesh you two!) :One of my life goals was to catch a Twins game in New York, and seeing as how I used up my paid VayKay, I won't make it. Tis a shame. I was able to make it to one of the last games at Old Comiskey. Wrigley is next if the Twins get a good interleague matchup (or perhaps a postseason game? Chya, like I would be able to get a ticket to that...)Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Have you been to Wrigley before? Baseball Bugs 17:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope, haven't been to Wrigley. Several Sox (and Sox means the white variety to all midwesterners) games pre-1990, a few at Cellular in early 90s when it was just "new comiskey". Wrigley's on the list. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

In my Illinois days, I went to many games at Wrigley and Comiskey (the real one, I mean). Since you've already seen the old Sox Park (its alternate name), you know how small it was. Wrigley has a little bit more room under the concourse, but not a lot more. But the seating area at Wrigley is actually larger. That was the little secret. Although Sox Park was ostensibly larger capacity than Wrigley, if you would take away the outfield upper deck, Wrigley was the larger one. When you get to Wrigley, be sure to walk around the ballpark on the outside a couple of times. Comiskey looked like it landed in a mine field. Wrigley is brimming with life on all sides. Baseball Bugs 17:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Best seats I had at "old" were front row, left field wall. Steal a homer from a leaping leftfielder territory. Except, as you correctly mention, very cramped. Knee scrapingly cramped. Good advice on Wrigley, walking the outside. Will do. Definitely not an attribute of the Metrodome, regarless of weather. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The Comiskey outfield seating actually had more leg room than the too-cozy boxes near the infield. Lower deck left field was generally pretty good. Right field not so good due to the sun angle. And upper deck outfield was terrible unless you got the front row. Like the Metrodome right field U.D. I liked old Comiskey, though. It had character, and characters. It was built in 1910 and looked it. Wrigley actually looks newer than its age, since the Wrigleys had a lot more money to put into its upkeep than the Comiskeys did, and Wrigley also has better legroom than Comiskey did... but truth to tell, Wrigley was looking kind of shabby when the Trib took over. Many improvements have come since 1981, both on the field and in the stands. I about choked when I heard John Kruk pick the Cubs to win the Series though. Kiss of death! Baseball Bugs 18:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

That would be the RED Sox, I assume? Around here, the term "Sox" usually means Chicago. d:) So, they're going to tear down the House that George Ruth Built, in favor of the House that George Steinbrenner Got the Public to Build for Him, ja? There's a lot of that going around. Baseball Bugs 17:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

(ec bazillion). Wow I've finally found the baseball fans on Wiki. Yep, Yankee Stadium for me is bittersweet -- good memories (Cone's perfect game, Doc Gooden's no hitter, 1996 ALCS Game 1 among other wonderful days) but it's hard because I think of my father as well. Can't really blame the Boss for this mess as he's so far out of it with his sons involved. Between Hank and George, I'd take George anyday. There was a method to his madness. But yes, the Red Sox (as opposed to the 'pale hose' as the Comiskey dwellers are called here). I've been to Dodger Stadium, Candlestick, SkyDome, Joe Robbie (yes I know they renamed it, but I can't remember what it's called), Yankee and Shea. Seen but never been in Fenway and Camden Yards. One day. TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 17:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Scan the talk page and its archives for WP:Baseball and the fans will tend to cluster there. Baseball Bugs 17:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I've never been a Yankees fan (except when they're playing the Mets), but they have produced some great moments and there are a number Yankees players individually that I've liked over the years. Roger Maris, for one. He was a terrific ballplayer, both at bat and in the field, and the 61 homers was like an albatross around his neck. Cone threw his perfect game on a day when they honored Don Larsen. You can't get much better karma than that. And over time I've become a big fan of Babe Ruth, who was the greatest ballplayer there ever was, is, or ever will be. So Hank is like George without the charisma, eh? I'll give George this: He was in the tradition of Yankees owners like Ruppert-Huston and Topping-Webb, who valued winning as much as making money. The difference was his visibility. Those other owners let their respective GM's (Barrow and Weiss) run the operation and only showed up once a year to accept the World Series trophy. George's micro-managing is what has caused much of his bad press, but it's only because he wants to win. I gather George is suffering dementia or something now, which is a sad situation. And as much as Hank may be despised, all will be forgiven if he wins it all. But think of this: It used to be that the Yankees were the winners and Red Sox were the chokers. But those roles have been reversed now. It does seem like a "curse" has fallen on the Yankees. I don't know what name to give it, though. The 9/11 curse? Eek. Baseball Bugs 18:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Ugh. This is way to much Yankee talk on my talkpage. That's all I'll say. Go Blue Jays. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I fear Scooter syndrome, promises that 'he'll be back' despite no appearances, and then a passing announcement. Same thing happened when Mickey Mantle made his video appearance at OT Day prior to his passing. Yogi Berra Day was a wonderful one at the stadium, good memories. Steinbrenner wanted to win and knew how to accomplish that end goal -- I don't know that Hank does. One of my first baseball memories is Steinbrenner's 'lifetime ban' which lasted what? 18 months? Oh and :p pfft to you Keeper, this is baseball history, not Yankee moments. I have to say, your tear did a very good worst to first in 1991, and I'll forever remember Kent Hrbek from the 'buy a vowel' column in the Daily News. Those teams had some good players. Kirby Puckett was a sad story. That said, I'll half promise to do my part to lay off giving you orange bars TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 18:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

If winning is not Hank's top priority, then he falls into the Comiskey-Mack-Navin tradition of focusing on money, which is usually a losing formula. The Twins often over-achieve, and they proudly display their two Series trophies in their office, which any member of the public can see if they happen to come by. My poor li'l ol' Cubs don't have any Series trophies to display, because the last time they won was before metal was invented. :( Baseball Bugs 18:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

<outdent>The cubbies are old-school. Nothing wrong with a Once-per-Century approach. What's the rush, Bugs? Tap Guinness, Ketchup, and empty busses. ouch, that stings...how mean of me Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, I'm not a Cubbies fan, although I do find myself rooting for them to overcome the 'curse', but I love Dying Cub Fan's Last Request. That whole Baseball's Greatest Hits album was wonderful. I may need to order a new one since I haven't foiund it on iTunes and I own the cassette - yes, I'm old. I played The Town Where Baseball Lives on my ipod this morning walking from the train. It's the start of a wonderful season, but I agree on the non viability of the Comiskey et all method. TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 18:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The obscure line about "Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly" was kind of a catty remark. But it's an excellent song, and sad, as Steve Goodman died about 5 days before the Cubs clinched in 1984. The Cubs have a perfect record (0-8) against the Yanks in the World Series, but in 2003 they took 2 of 3 at Wrigley in interleague play against the Bombers, and it really looked like they were going to win the NL pennant and even have a shot at beating the Yankees. Alas, fate intervened, and the Cubs scape-"goat"ed a fan when they should have been keeping their heads in the game. Turned out the Marlins were that year's Team of Destiny. Maybe the Yanks troubles since 2001 could be called "The Curse of Josh Beckett". Baseball Bugs 19:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

As George Will said aboout the Cubs, "Any team can have a bad century." When the Cubs clinched the division in 1984, 39 years after their previous title, 1945 team member Andy Pafko said, "It never occurred to me it would take 39 years. I thought they'd win by accident!" Actually, you don't exactly win by accident. You have to have all the pieces, and then some luck to put you over the top, but the fact is that winning is hard and losing is easy. And as far as curses, I call it the "Johnny Evers Curse". The Cubs won by arguably some subterfuge in 1908, and it's as if the baseball gods said, "OK, we'll give you this one, but after this you're on your own." Meanwhile, someone the other day claimed the Cubs are "selling out." Check out this photo, with ads on the walls as well as the scoreboard. Max Flack was famous for one thing, the same thing Cliff Heathcote was famous for: They were traded for each other, between games of the Memorial Day doubleheader between the Cubs and Cardinals, on May 30, 1922.

Baseball Bugs 19:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Curse of Josh Beckett works for me and maybe hiring the former Marlins manager will undo it. That said, I love Torre and am very unsure about JoeG, but I hope it works, I really do. Then again, when Torre came on board in 1996 I was loyal to Buck and was unsure about this newcomer, at least JoeG is known. 2003 was painful, I remember watching that last Cubs game. So sad. 2003 for me is all about Aaaron Boone. What a night. Will never forget that. TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 19:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Joe Girardi was the catcher for Cone's perfecto, right? Of course, he's also a former Cub. When the D-backs broke the 3-ex-Cubs curse in 2001, I figured things were changing for the better for the Cubs. In a way, they have: 2 division titles in 5 years, which is not so terrible. But just not the whole enchilada yet. Baseball Bugs 20:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed he was. Great catcher, just not sure how well he'll handle the NY spotlight as a manager. I still have my "Ryne Loveletters in the Sandberg" Topps card somewhere. Need to find that stuff to make sure it isn't tossed TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 20:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

That might be a little too much information. Baseball Bugs 01:57, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

<outdent>I think you two just broke an "orange bar" record for my talkpage. Good grief! (I like orange bars though...) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Baseball Bugs 20:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

You did that on purpose. Now, where did I put that block button?...oh! there it is! (j/k)Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

*reports the Evil Keeper to ANRA (rouge admins, of course) :p Seriously, will take it elsewhere if we're driving you nuts. At this rate though in one day your talk page will be longer than DGG's TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 20:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that made me laugh out loud. DGG's talk page is hilarious. Proves how valuable his opinion is on, well, everything. Glad I have a T1...actually, about a week ago, DGG was attempting to revert vandalism on his own talk and somehow recreated every section as a duplicate. So instead of 250+ subsections, he had 500+ subsections. Hilarious....as for my talkpage, I don't mind. Better than vandalism (barely :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh wow, that must have been an impressive feat to clean that up. I've made a permanent mental note to never look at his from home because my geriatric laptop can't handle it. I was trying to clean up a tagging mess on WP:MUSEUMS yesterday and I was wishing I could be more helpful -- but my laptop revolts at more than two tabs open, which isn't very efficient. I have the same issue when I go to comment to User:Blofeld of SPECTRE, both editors are wonderful, I just can't "talk" to them from home. TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 20:40, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Orange bars are good. They have them in vending machines at the office. Baseball Bugs 22:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi Keeper76! Thank you for your support in my RfA (87/3/3). I truely appreciate the many votes of confidence, and I will exert myself to live up to those expectations. Thanks again! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Trying

I keep trying to goad people into RFA, but its hard to do. :) MBisanz 20:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw your note on Corvus' page. (Don't remember why he's watchlisted though...hmmm, or maybe I saw it on yours...) I agree he would be a good candidate. I've been snooping around too trying to find good candidates. I've been turned down as by good users. I think it's the nature of RfA though. No one seems to want extra buttons bad enough to go through a meat grinder to get them. The irony of course, for me, is that the two I quick-nommed (non-coached) both sailed through (assuming Hoekstra's doesnt crash and burn before tomorrow), and the one I coached crashed and burned. Bad coach, bad! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Do'h. I remembered this fellow User talk:Michaelbusch as being a great future admin and I end up missing him by 5 days. MBisanz 21:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Salt Spring Air

Hello, Keeper. Thanks for explaining your keep rationale. I believe the article is still not consistent with WP:CORP, but I realize there is room for interpretation, and precedent often supercedes the letter of guidelines. I must confess that part of me was rooting for this article, even though I wanted more rigorous proof of notability than was present. I was happy to see the article's creator take the deletion nomination as incentive for making improvements. Again, thanks for explaining the outcome to me. All the best, Nick Graves (talk) 20:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks!

That actually means a lot to me, since I don't often get barnstars (I feel sorta left out, heh) and since this is one in particular I have never seen before. Plus, it's nice to be recognized when doing damage control for your own mistakes. :P Cheers! —  scetoaux (T/C) 23:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Your boys did well....

good, close game. No football scores. I ♥ good baseball TRAVELLINGCARI_{Tell me yours} 01:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Screambox revisited

I have moved the MfD to its proper location at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Screambox 2 and commented there, including the diffs from our short exchange regarding the page's nuking. Also notified the nominator and included a top notice at the first MfD page. Dorftrottel (criticise) 12:04, April 1, 2008