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Mind reading

Again, your edit to the George W. Bush article is fine, was made in good faith and isn't in any way controversial. The edits you removed were as well. It isn't necessary for Noitall to back up what he inserted because we are dealing with subject matter about an American and the information he inserted isn't POV or uncommon knowledge, at least not in the U.S. I can't read minds and I have no idea what you are talking about on that. Anyway, happy editing!--MONGO 02:43, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

I didn't put the information in there to begin with. Not everything in the article requires a reference link especially if it isn't very controversial. These items are common knowledge...maybe not in Germany but they are in the U.S.--MONGO 14:39, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Please do not restore personal attacks

Official policy on Misplaced Pages: No personal attacks --Witkacy 01:45, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

That's really no excuse at all to delete all of TShilo12's statements, including the non-personal ones, especially not, Witkacy, if you're a fine one to talk: on the talk page you wrote in bold letters "If you are looking for Anti-Polish racists - check this talk page", which is much worse than TShilo12's statement() and although I don't actually care, I doubt these are the only statements by you which comment on the editor rather than the contribution. Why don't you delete it or them first? This is a good example of a double-standard. I told you: you can strike out his alleged personal attacks but as you do: don't forget yours. And this revert is not the self-criticism I demanded either.NightBeAsT 02:12, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

"If you are looking for Anti-Polish racists - check this talk page" was not a personal attack.--Witkacy 02:22, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

So when you call several persons "anti-polish racists", then you don't comment in a negative way on contributors instead of contribtutions? He commented on you in a negative way, too, but he didn't insult you(). And speaking of personal attacks, this wasn't maybe a personal attack very similar to TShilo12's either? But since you now know the policy, let's forget about it.NightBeAsT 12:55, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Rudi

Hey, you exaggerate a bit on Gazeta Wyborcza the title of the article is Szef ziomkostwa Ślązaków oskarża Polskę o dyskryminowanie Niemców which transltates as The chief of Preußische Treuhand accuses Poland for discrimination of Germans and the article does not contain any sentence like Pawelka blamed Poland for WW2. Instead it relates what from the usual Preußische Treuhand arguments is in the speech and then covers in a detailed way the paragraphs we discuss on. In particular, this means it also contains a passage głęboko zawstydza mnie, co narobiło państwo narodowosocjalistyczne (I am deeply ashamed of what the Nazi state did). Alx-pl D 16:08, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

(Response NightBeAsT)

Oh it simply said that Pawelka blamed those events(made by Poles) as responsible for WW2, that started much earlier then 1939 or 1933. But I see you are resorting to cenzorship ;) So in effect Alx was deceiving you when he claimed that there is no sentence that mentions Pawelka blaming Poland for WW2 So i let him translate the sentence : Według niego Polacy nie przyznają się do powojennej grabieży, powszechnie przemilcza się też "cierpienia 2,4 mln Niemców w Polsce przed 1939 r." oraz "polskie agresje" po I wojnie światowej (wojnę z Rosją, wkroczenie na Górny Śląsk w 1921 r. oraz zajęcie Zaolzia w 1938 r.). Tymczasem wszystkie te wydarzenia wraz z "dyktatem wersalskim" w 1919 r. należą zdaniem Pawelki do historii II wojny światowej, która wcale nie zaczęła się w 1939 czy w 1933 r., lecz wcześniej. Of course if you want to censor facts be me guest, if you have no arguments besides"delete". --Molobo 23:32, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

America's Army

Hi Nightbeast, danke für deine Antwort zu meiner Frage auf der Talkpage zu "America's Army". Wie du es schilderst — und wie ich es mir schon gedacht habe — scheint ja die Vermarktung von "America's Army" ganz gut auf amerikanischem Heimatsboden anzukommen. Umso wichtiger finde ich es, in dem Artikel auch darauf hinzuweisen, wie das Spiel im Ausland, wie eben auch bei uns in D-A-CH, kritisch wahrgenommen wird. Und auch trotz Misplaced Pages:No original research bin ich der Meinung, dass man ohne wissenschaftliches Belegen in den Artikel reinschreiben darf, dass es vielen Deutschen eher missfällt, auf so eine Art Werbung für die eigene Armee zu machen. Ich werde mich daher mal in den nächsten Tagen mit dem Artikel nochmal beschäftigen und ihn diesbezüglich erweitern. Ciao, --Abdull 19:15, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Bismarck's Kulturkampf

(Response to Witkacy's revert: )

Yeah, we have a problem - you know nothing about the Polish history... You should read more about Poland under the partitions, and Prussian/German anti-polonism during the Kulturkampf--Witkacy 01:07, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I asked for proof of your allegations, not new accusations. I still don't see reliable sources proving Bismarck was motivated by anti-Polonism when he fought the Catholic church in Germany. You say I don't know anything of Polish history? Well, if you're so enlightened about it, why don't you just verify your claims? Simply saying that when Bismarck's Kulturkampf happened, there were anti-polonistic feelings in Germany doesn't justify anything. People at that time, for example, also built houses. Is there any need to add the category 'Architecture'? So let's be consistent with these issues and delete categories unconnected to the Kulturkampf. Unless it is self-evident and uncontroversial that something belongs in a category, it should not be put into a category(Misplaced Pages:Categorization).NightBeAsT 01:27, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=pl&q=Bismarck+anti-Polish&lr=N --Witkacy 01:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

You've 207 hits for 'Bismarck' in connection with 'Anti-Polish'. http://www.google.com/search?hl=pl&q=Bismarck+architecture&lr= I've 147,000 hits for 'Bismarck' in connection with 'Architecture'. How does it prove your point?NightBeAsT 01:46, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

"Neubach, Helmut: Eduard v. Hartmanns Schlagwort vom "Ausrotten der Polen". Antipolonismus und Antikatholizismus im Kaiserreich. Mit einer Vorbemerkung von Gotthold Rhod. --Witkacy 01:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

What is this? A book? Post claims of the book if you like but don't distract from your inability to prove the Kulturkampf was motivated by an "irrational fear or malicious hostility toward Poles". Your link to anti-catholicism is acceptable because it is rather self-evident and uncontroversial but your link and category to the poorly written article for anti-polonism is not self-evident and at best controversial, at worst laughable, at any rate Witkacy's mere POV. If you cannot prove the self-evidence and undisputability, the official guideline says no to this category.NightBeAsT 19:25, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Nightbeast please... buy some books about Polish history and then contribute to the Polish-related articles on Misplaced Pages... Good night--Witkacy 01:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't know yet whether or not you've realized it, but Polish history is a looking-glass through which only Witkacy sees clearly. His reverts are a reflection of the simple fact that nobody other than him understands TRUE Polish history. You have no hope, all your base are belong to us, after all, someone set up us the bomb. :-p Tomer 11:13, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

I know just what you mean, Tomer. Witkacy, don't take it personally but Poland is not the centre of the universe - not that Germany is but, if anything, the Kulturkampf is part of Germany's history so buy some books on German history.NightBeAsT 19:25, 29 August 2005 (UTC)