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  • Please see the tags at the top of this page. I move comments that others add to this page if I perceive them to have been misdirected and/or I archive them when I feel discussions are over and/or when I have no further time to participate in them. If comments involve "personal attacks", are unsigned and/or undated, or are uncivil "warnings", I delete them, following WP:UP, WP:TPG, WP:NPA, WP:Etiquette, WP:CIVIL, and/or WP:HAR.
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  • Due to my own other priorities (related to my own professional work and travel schedule), I am turning back to focusing on my own non-Misplaced Pages related work. Thanks very much to those who do understand for understanding. I appreciate your compassion.
  • Since first posting this, I have attempted to make some corrections to and to update a few articles that I have worked hard on recently, but I really do need to focus on my own work in order to get it done on schedule. I have to go offline to do it. For extended periods of time, I will not be logging back into Misplaced Pages.
  • The abbreviation "tc" in my editing box summaries stands for "typographical corrections."

My response to your warnings

I have made several good faith efforts to engage this user. Tonight He/She/It (this user insists on no gender identification) has requested administrative help. By looking at the edit history of Dark Knight (film) and the comments by several users, ThuranX, Erik, among others, you will see that there is a consensus that this user has been abusive to other good faith editors. This user declines to engage the real issue of their abusiveness by instead resorting to quoting wiki laws and shouting that they have been the victim all along. I admit that there has been some hostility that has arisen from this entire interlude and I am guilty of an uncivil tone at times. Nevertheless, I believe that there are several users that will attest to the fact that NYScholar has driven many long-time and collaborative editors from this article through brow beating and the sheer mass of the number of edits. --Stuthomas4 (talk) 07:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The AN/I thread and recent disputes

Hi,

This is a message sent as one of reconciliation. I don’t believe the recent AN/I thread will come to anything, but I wanted to outline why a few editors at the Dark Knight talk page (myself included) have interpreted your comments as not being in the best spirit of collaboration. Most of your additions to the article have been, as Erik has described several times, excellent, and it is only your reaction when either challenged or even asked for clarification that has caused some exasperation.

I know it can be frustrating when dealing with editors who you feel lack your writing knowledge, but this is part and parcel of helping to create an encyclopedia "that anyone can edit". This frustration has shown through in your comments. Don't get me wrong, correcting errors in others' contributions is perfectly OK, but I think you would present less of a combative image if you didn't comment on each one of them on the talk page, and if you didn't comment on even the perfectly good additions by telling the editor in question "I find most of these changes acceptable". Even if that wasn't intended to sound quite so patronising, it was still interpreted that way, as were your multiple replies to Cornucopia when he/she asked a legitimate question.

Finally, and again motivated from a genuine desire to put an end to this issue, I have three pieces of advice I urge you to follow:

  • Consider how your comments can be interpreted, even ones that are meant to educate other editors. Step back before hitting "Send" and look for any potentially contentious phrases.
  • Don't clog up article talk page comments with explanations of every edit, or unnecessary detail. Doing so makes them more difficult for other editors to follow. Reword to be a little less verbose, sticking only to the one point you're trying to make. This will also make them seem less like lectures (again, even if they are not intended as such).
  • Respect consensus. Our own disagreement was over interpretation of a guideline, not due to either party's actively flouting it. Majority opinion was with the contrary interpretation to yours. This has happened to all of us at some point, and I find in such circumstances it's best to accept this and move on, while still retaining the right to accept as true your own reading of it.

I hope you will take this advice, and everything else I've said above, to heart. Your contributions are welcome, and I hope from this point that effective collaboration, and constructive criticism with editors who respect each other, can occur at the article. All the best, Steve 13:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

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