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Discussion of Canada's official name

Canada's name
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False Information

I know as a fact that the information under Demographics regarding the metropolitan population of major Canadian cities is false. Edmonton has nearly 1 million people, and Toronto nearly 5 Million. Edmonton has also a greater population than Toronto. I believe that the source, although supposedly is Statistics Canada, was either misinterpreted or perhaps not a valid source. I suggest checking this out, as I know this information is void. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Macman175 (talk • contribs) 17:21, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Toronto is the largest Canadian city. GoodDay (talk) 17:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
You'll notice it doesn't say "Metro area", but "city". There's ~2.5 million in Toronto (Humber -> Rouge, Steeles -> Lake Ontario)> WilyD 18:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


Reference to the royal anthem should be removed. The anthem of Canada is O Canada with English and French versions. To include reference to a british royal anthem is inappropriate and offensive to Canadian nationals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcurrie (talk • contribs) 09:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Canada has a royal anthem. Whether or not that fact is offensive to anyone, it is still a fact. (See this for a reference to that fact). Removing this fact from the article would violate the neutral point of view policy. - Eron 14:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Peacekeeping

Looking at the History section:

On the international stage, the 1990s saw the rise of a major role of Canadian peacekeeping activity on behalf of the United Nations. The UN mission in Rwanda in the 1990s was led by Canadian peacekeeping official Romeo Dallaire, which was criticized by him and by others for failing to have the mandate to prevent the Rwanda genocide. Canada also took part in peacekeeping operations in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo during the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s.

This is a little peculiar, Canada I believe took a prominent role in peacekeeping since, umm, a Canadian invented it. I think there are references out there, which I can't lay my hands on, that show a significant decline in peacekeeping participation through the '90's. A little recent-ism may be creeping in here.
This paragraph is also a little skewed by the recent change of Dallaire to a "peacekeeping official" - he was actually an Army Lt-Gen., not an "official". Also the lack of mandate to prevent the genocide and criticism thereof is vague and unsourced (Shake Hands With The Devil, I'm holding it in my non-typing hand), and not particularly relevant to Canada's history as a body. And further, "also took part in Bosnia" - what about Maj-Gen Mackenzie leading forces to take control of Sarajevo airport at the height of the conflict? My point here is that the paragraph seems inaccurate and unbalanced, and possibly unnecessary. Comments? Franamax (talk) 05:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

My intention of writing this earlier was to mention that Canada took part in two major peacekeeping operations in the decade of the 1990s. I suppose you are right, I'll remove it.--R-41 (talk) 06:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought, that with the exception of sending General Dallaire to Rwanda, Canada ignored that entire conflict until it was already over? No soldiers, no aid, no nothing. It would be a little rich to suggest that Canada had any significant part in that conflict.Gopher65talk 16:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

New information in history section

I apologize for not providing sources on the information I have recently been adding, but this information is widely known in Canada and it would be very easy for anyone to find sources for the material I have just added. I have added the material to give a more detailed view of important events in Canadian history which are typically mentioned in Canadian history textbooks, such as mentioning modern-day issues involving aboriginal peoples such as the controversial Oka crisis in 1990 and the shooting of Dudley George in 1995, as well as more positive issues of aboriginal affairs such as the Nisga'a Final Settlement and the government apologizing this year to aboriginal people for the oppression of aboriginals in residential schools. Furthermore, continental free trade adopted in the 1980s has been a significant and controversial event in Canada and it deserves more attention.--R-41 (talk) 06:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your efforts in filling in the details of Canadian history since the 1980's. I really hesitate to begin condensing these additions, because I realize the amount of effort that goes into such summaries. However, the level of detail is more appropriate for the History of Canada page than this overview article on Canada (I've pasted your recent contributions onto that page). Please consider the following points when contemplating improvements to the article:
  • The history section is now too long and detailed for an overview article like this. Whereas it's a good thing to revise recent history, the recent edits have overweighted events of the last 30 years. Aboriginal affairs and the National Energy policy are important, but do not warrant the space allotted, considering that much more significant topics such as the Conquest, Confederation, WWI and WWII are given much less space (a sentence or paragraph at most). They can be better summarized in one sentence, with wiki links to appropriate articles. Consider the weighting of these topics in the history books you are citing (a page count for each chapter will do) and you will get a better idea of a more appropriate weighting for an overview.
  • Foreign relations topics such as 9-11 and NAFTA are indeed important, but I would argue that these events are more about current events and policy, which is why they are covered in their own Foreign Relations section. Here, they are annotated with references. I recommend removing these from the history section (or reducing them to a brief mention) and carefully editing the Foreign Relations section if you feel more detail is required. Better yet, discuss improvements to the article adressing these issues on the Talk page first.
  • With regard to references, in an FA article, you need to be careful to include footnotes. The FA rating means that this article has been carefully vetted for references. You and I may be aware of pertinent references, but someone researching Canada is not and needs those references. Adding unsourced material decreases the quality standards of the article.
  • Adding sub-sections is a substantial change to the format of the article. There has been considerable discussion of sub-sections within the history section, and others have successfully convinced most editors (including myself) that large numbers of subsections make the article unwieldy and more difficult to navigate. The usual way to such changes is discussion on the talk page before proceeding.
Thanks. --soulscanner (talk) 20:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Demographics

Changing the Demographics section to include the more useful metropolitan area populations. The table of municipal populatioons should be removed, if there are no objections. naturalnumber (talk) 08:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Let'er pound. GoodDay (talk) 18:21, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Title

Shouldn't the title be The Kingdom of Canada rather than merely Canada? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.153.62.198 (talk • contribs)

No, it shouldn't. Read through the discussion archive for reasons. Mindmatrix 13:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

NAFTA userbox

Hello! For those who support NAFTA, let me know what you think about this. Use it freely. AlexCovarrubias 20:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

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History section too long?

Is the history section too long? I'd gladly support any effort to condense it. --soulscanner (talk) 20:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

History section too long?

Is the history section too long? I'd gladly support any effort to condense it. --soulscanner (talk) 21:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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