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On responses

I respond on my own page, unless there is good reason to respond on yours. Kind regards—Encephalon | ζ | Σ

Of current interest

—Encephalon |   23:31:07, 2005-08-17 (UTC)

Medicine Collaboration of the Week

Hi! You showed support for Pneumonia, this week's Medicine Collaboration of the Week. You are invited to help improve it! — Knowledge Seeker দ 09:52, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, KS. I will drop by over the weekend.—Encephalon | ζ | Σ 10:00:05, 2005-08-10 (UTC)

Template talk:Db-bio

I just responded to your previous msg there -- i was actually writing my response when you posted your latest comment. I do appreciate your points. DES 16:27, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages works

Today is the first day I saw good work on Misplaced Pages. If you haven't, read him.—Encephalon | ζ | Σ

welcome

hi, you came to my page "stealthily" so I could not welcome you (lol). You are most welcome. And, thanks for your kind gesture. --Bhadani 16:00, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Don't mention it. I was moved both by what you had written, and DS and mikkalai's actions. Incidentally, I read that you're moving for Adminship? I'm seriously unfamiliar with the content of many of the articles you contribute to, but if you drop me a line here, I'll support on the basis of your positive activities and attitudes. Regards—Encephalon | ζ | Σ 16:09:20, 2005-08-11 (UTC)

Re: Help

Hi, Encephalon. Just to be clear: you would like me to delete Image:Hemagglutinin.gif? All revisions, right? — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:25, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

Yes please, KS. The gif page. Thanks!—Encephalon | ζ | Σ 07:27:11, 2005-08-12 (UTC)

Done. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:43, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks bud.—Encephalon | ζ | Σ 07:52:22, 2005-08-12 (UTC)

What it does say

What does it say about Misplaced Pages when only 0.1% of its articles have been deemed to have attained featured article status?—Encephalon | ζ | Σ

kate's n stuff

1. six degrees of wikipedia
2. user edit counter
   1. 1000
3. 1 AfD nom

—encephalon |  

Re: Salnikov

Encephalon, thank you for deleting the Salnikov page. We think that it was all an attack led by Little Green Football people. They went ballistic over a Gary Brecher article on neo-con Victor Hanson a couple of weeks ago, and called for "fragging" us. To be honest the Salnikov entry was probably good publicity for the eXile, but it was the intention that pissed us off. Suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.46.254.141 (talk • contribs) at 2005-08-15 04:50:30 (UTC)

Hi there. Just to be clear, I did not " the Salnikov page." In fact, no one has — it is still up on WP, going through VfD. Next, I haven't the faintest idea what the "Little Green Football people" want, who Gray Brecher is, how real Salnikov is, or what the article did for the publication. Prior to the VfD, I had not even heard of this magazine, and am afraid I have no suggestions for you now in regards to broadening its circulation. My votes on the VfD page are driven purely and entirely by whether or not I feel an article meets WP guidelines. Kind regards—Encephalon | ζ | Σ 09:50:47, 2005-08-15 (UTC)

Wiki Pedia

The difference between an inclusionist and a deletionist is the difference between wiki and pedia.—Encephalon | ζ | Σ 11:20:03, 2005-08-15 (UTC)

Beautifully observed, Enc. Btw, are you into neurology? JFW | T@lk 14:26, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, JFW. It's one of my interests, yes.—Encephalon |   14:39:58, 2005-08-16 (UTC)

Many Thanks

Thanks for supporting my RFA. It couldn't have happened without your effort. FeloniousMonk 18:13, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome.—Encephalon | 18:23:17, 2005-08-15 (UTC)

Carcinogenesis on MCOTW

Hi! You showed support for Carcinogenesis, this week's Medicine Collaboration of the Week. You are invited to help improve it! — Knowledge Seeker দ 00:30, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio images

Images are typically part of VFD, but it bears listing them on WP:IFD anyway in case the article is kept. JFW | T@lk 00:41, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

VfD: Sequelae & Complications

Pneumonia

I have had a go at the pneumonia investigation section (see entry in talk page) as this was very much written from a medical textbook/hospital approach, whereas most cases are treated in the community. Hence most cases (in UK) get no investigations, sputum culture often done, Xray less frequently and the rest rarely. The original was shorter, but not what a patient (ie wikipedia viewer) might typical expect. Please do have a look at my edit and change if structure/english needs improving, I really wont mind :-) David Ruben 19:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi there Dr. Ruben, thank you for your note. I think the contributions on Pneumonia from all medical editors have been very commendable, and the article has improved as a result. Your edits in particular are often from a valuable patient-centric viewpoint, and I like them. Unfortunately for me, however, I've just found that I cannot make edits; apparently a random troll passing by WP earlier registered for a username with an offensive phrase, and an admin has blocked a range of IPs to prevent the name being used. Apparently I've been caught in the cross-fire, so to speak. I've written him to enquire as to what I'm to do, but I'm not sure what the outcome of this is going to be. I can only write on my own user page for the time being. Rgds,—Encephalon |   20:48:48, 2005-08-17 (UTC)

That was pretty quick. I have just been able to edit the sandbox, so I guess the sysop has reversed the error. Now for pneumonia...—Encephalon |   21:03:21, 2005-08-17 (UTC)

RC patrol

Did my first real one. Cryptoderk is good. Not having rollback is bad.—Encephalon |   23:44:50, 2005-08-18 (UTC)

WikiProject Clinical medicine/Collaboration

The previous notices placed by individuals onto the 'WikiProject Clinical medicine' page's sections of articles in progress or for peer review all got moved into an archive (hardly makes them current notices). The MCOTW discussion page has discussd having a list of pages at an inbetween stage of development, namely where others are sought, if having a specific interest, to help with a topic. I decided to be bold and create the subpage Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Clinical medicine/Collaboration. Please comment, praise or criticise at will  :-) David Ruben 01:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Very good work indeed, David. Will comment more on MCOTW Talk.—Encephalon |   15:39:07, 2005-08-19 (UTC)

Adminship

Thank you very much. I have only been here since feb, and have not done any really large articels by myself. And I've been involved ins a bit of contention -- first with netholioc over spoiler templates, then over the CSD proposal votes, and the CSD templates. Anyway, no one has nominated me yet. If someone does, great. DES 00:49, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Again thank you. I am fairly proud of my contributions to Prior reatraint. At first all my edits were substantive. lately it seems they have mostly been a mix of meta-discussion (TfD, VfD, CfD, Stub-cats) and cleanup (stubsorting and newpage patrol, mostly). I have a half-written re-working of Censorship in the United States which is badly needed, and a couple of other things sitting half-done offline. I'm also rahter proud of my merge of 21 separate articles into Aubrey-Maturin series.

Well I'm not going to self-nom for admin any time soon -- if soemone else feels as you do, I'l be honored. DES 01:58, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Help

Heh—actually, I did miss your comment the first time around; for some reason I'm not always getting the orange box these days. And yeah, I've been so busy at the hospital that I can't accomplish nearly what I want to on Misplaced Pages. Gonna try to put some good work in tomorrow in between studying and other errands. It's gotten really tough to find enough time to write articles, and I've pretty much dropped out of policy discussions and most of the administrator stuff I used to like RC patrol and helping with deletions and such. Hope I'll manage to find more time soon... — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:02, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. It's a testimony to your work ethic that you're logging on to WP at all during a medical internship! Best wishes—Encephalon |   05:46:34, 2005-08-20 (UTC)

Well, I think that as a doctor, one of my primary fucntions should be to serve as an educator, so here I am! I suspect that many in medical fields feel similarly, one reason why our little WP:MCOTW is doing so well despite the incredible time demands students and professionals in health care face. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:29, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Re:Sheepish sneaks in

The recreation of Sheepish Productions was a word for word match of the previously deleted article. It has been speedied, and I have added the page to my watch list in case it comes back again. --Allen3  09:51, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Excellent.—Encephalon |   10:22:06, 2005-08-20 (UTC)

As it keeps coming back, I have taken things to the next level. The article is currently protected with the {{{deletedpage}}} template on it. --Allen3  13:05, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Re : F*** Hole

Hi Encephalon,

The page has been speedied by someone else :

• 04:32, 21 August 2005 Zscout370 deleted "Fuck Hole" (attack page)

I'll be closing the VFD as well. No worries. :)

Cheers, Mailer Diablo 05:19, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

On friends

Some people have all the interesting ones.—Encephalon |   19:35:13, 2005-08-21 (UTC)

The Branin close

See my talk page. Redwolf24 (Talk) 01:55, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

FWIW

It (your comment on VfU) was worth a lot to me. Thanks for the kind words. Best, Lucky 6.9 03:21, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Pleasure. Regards—Encephalon |   03:54:29, 2005-08-22 (UTC)

WikiBreak

Yeah I was pissed when I typed up that goodbye note but then I realized... My friends outnumber my vandals :) I'm not really sure what your message in particular meant but I'll assume it was a 'you're being stupid for trying to quit' which is an appreciated message ;) Redwolf24 23:25, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey. Glad to see there was no permanent damage, RW24. The above is not what I meant by my post, however — I'd never call someone stupid (for that anyway); I meant that the actions of the editor in question were too insignificant to merit the loss of an admin like you, and that you really should reconsider. Am glad you have.—Encephalon |   23:37:52, 2005-08-23 (UTC)

The System

I do not think the system is flawed fatally, but it is cruel. Misplaced Pages prevails while users are burnt out, heroic ones and barbarian ones alike.—User:Dbachmann, recently.

Rheumatoid arthritis on WP:MCOTW

Hi! You showed support for Rheumatoid arthritis, this week's Medicine Collaboration of the Week. You are invited to help improve it! — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:33, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

HappyCamper's RFA - thanks for your support!

Hi Encephalon! Thanks for your support on my recent RFA! I'm now an administrator, and I wanted to thank you for kind words and confidence in me. If you ever need a helping hand, feel free to leave me a message and I'll try my best to help out! Thanks again, and I'll see you around the Wiki! --HappyCamper 12:11, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Please don't mention it, Happy. Pleasure. Kind regards.—Encephalon |   20:22:46, 2005-08-25 (UTC)

Thanks for the support

Thank you very much for your vote of support at my request for adminship. Of all the compliments I received, I think I liked yours most. ;) Coffee 14:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Why, thanks. Seriously, it was how I felt — both you and Happy are obvious candidates, and in your case we should have made you one long ago. Our consolation is that at least 1. Happy didn't have to wait that long, and 2. you are now an admin! Best—Encephalon |   20:27:45, 2005-08-25 (UTC)

Scimitar's RfA

Thanks for supporting my adminship attempt. If, for whatever reason, my edits seem to indicate I've lapsed into either stupidity or insanity, make usre to tell me ;). Thanks again.--Scimitar 14:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Category

Hope you don't mind but I've placed your userpage in category physician. And I hope I am not mistaken. --Nomen Nescio 02:21, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

You're not, Nomen, although it would admittedly not have occured to me to place it on my own. Still, I do see its value as a communication tool for our growing group of medical editors on WP. In this regard, you're going to have to think of a suitable thing for the medical students and premeds, Nomen, who I see are on the verge of launching a mutiny over this callous exclusion of their important voices. :) Kind regards—Encephalon |   22:29:36, 2005-08-27 (UTC)

Did find many students and indeed could not include them, unfortunately. Maybe we can create a new category: Medical Students. Would do it but don't know how. If you have any advise: please do. --Nomen Nescio 23:06, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Have already discovered how to ... Will now include the medical students too. --Nomen Nescio 23:12, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Nomen, I was actually speaking in jest, but if you'd like to by all means go ahead. You could either edit the "physician" category to say "physicians and medical students" (or some such variation), or you could create a separate category for them. The separate category could be free standing on this page, or a subcategory of this one.—Encephalon |   23:36:06, 2005-08-27 (UTC)

Airports

Thanks for catching that one! Trollderella 08:05, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

No problem.—Encephalon |   08:10:09, 2005-08-29 (UTC)

I am not willy on wheels

I only came here today to apologize for my willy on wheels like vandalism. Krik 13:29, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello Krik. Thank you for your response. I'm certainly not at all as familiar with the history of the WoW vandalism as some of the older Users, and only learned of the phenomenon after the recent WoW vandalism on WP. I wanted to see you confirm that you are not WoW as there has been some speculation to the contrary , . The WoW phenomenon is pretty awful, as I think that page shows, and I'd support the banning of all accounts related to it. As the matter stands, User:Krik has just redirected his page to the User:Norman Rogers page, which claims the identity of both User:Norm and User:Krik. The only one out of the loop is User:Norm, but that page is protected. Well, thank you for your comments, Norman. I wish all the best in making good contributions to WP.—Encephalon |   13:52:35, 2005-08-29 (UTC)

Wittgenstein

Hi Encephalon, message for you at Talk:Ludwig_Wittgenstein#Not_Jewish. Cheers, SlimVirgin 21:12, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Biochemistry on MCOTW

Hi! You showed support for Biochemistry, this week's Medicine Collaboration of the Week. You are invited to help improve it! — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:07, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Martian Sun

WP:CSD

Hi Encephalon. CSD G4 states an article can be speedily deleted if it's a "substantially identical copy, by any title, of a page that was deleted according to the deletion policy" (my emphasis). Therefore, Cam Wilson can be speedied, as it's a recreation of the deleted article Cameron Wilson. Hope that helps. Proto t c 10:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

You are quite correct, Proto; what I was referring to, however, is the sentence that follows: This does not apply to content in userspace, content that was speedily deleted, or to content undeleted according to undeletion policy. (emphasis mine). I do believe Cam Wilson was speedied, as I noted on the AfD page, thus making a re-speedy a doubtful proposition. You are quite right that, aside from this objection, a recreation of Cam Wilson at Cameron Wilson will not make a difference.—Encephalon |   10:51:43, 2005-09-01 (UTC)

Argh, to clarify - speedy deletion is a part of the deletion policy as a whole. So, if an article has been speedily deleted, any recreation (if substantially similar) can then be speedied. Proto t c 10:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure about your second comment, Proto; however, the link has turned red. I'm off to see what happened. Regards—Encephalon |   10:54:37, 2005-09-01 (UTC) Sorry. That was the first version. The second is still up.—Encephalon |   10:56:14, 2005-09-01 (UTC)

Good god, you're right. I didn't realise an article that had been speedied couldn't be re-speedied under CSD G4. I should really read further ahead. However, it can be speedied under A7 (the blessed vanity clause). Proto t c 11:06, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

LOL. I certainly share your enthusiasm for keeping WP a solid encyclopedia we can all be proud of; however, you will find that CSD A7 will not work in this case either, Proto. Two reasons: 1. Speedy deletion that is specifically contravened under one provision cannot be performed because it happens not be contravened under another. 2. There are editors who will argue that A7 does not apply anyway, because Mr. Wilson does indeed assert notability, which is all that is needed for A7 to not apply (it does not need to be substantiated, merely asserted). The way A7 is interpreted on WP, "Jim Morgagni is a chess player" qualifies; "Jim Morgagni is a fabulously notable chess player" doesn't — it has to be taken to AfD. Kind regards—Encephalon |   11:13:41, 2005-09-01 (UTC)

Darn it. VfD it is, then. Or is it AfD? Bah. Thanks dude.Proto t c 11:22, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I've created a subsection topic at Misplaced Pages talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Double_jeapordy_for_speedies. Thanks,
brenneman 14:08, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

VfD vs. AfD

You seem like you kow your chops, so I figured I'd ask you something I was wondering about: what is the difference between VfD and AfD? They seem like they're used interchangably, and I can't figure out the difference. Thanks in advance. Yours, --Blackcap | talk 20:00, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Blackcap. AfD is VfD. Articles for Deletion is what we're now calling perhaps the most contentious project page on WP. The change occured recently, you can follow the discussion here; and right here, you may witness its smooth transition. :)—Encephalon |   20:11:01, 2005-09-01 (UTC)

Thanks, Encephalon. Those links are very helpful. All the best, --Blackcap | talk 23:10, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

I made it up

No, I didn't. It's from Harrison's. See Talk:Asthma for more. Thanks for picking that up. — Knowledge Seeker দ 22:25, September 1, 2005 (UTC) LOL.—Encephalon |   07:08:01, 2005-09-02 (UTC)

Compliments

Hello, again. I just wanted to know that even though I haven't known you for very long, it's a pleasure to work with you. You seem to be a very friendly, caring individual, and I very much appreciate that. Even your user page is like that: it has two beautiful pictures on it and the name and typeface are reminicent of something angelic. It's not often that I feel like that and even less that I feel like saying something about it, but I wanted to tell you. All the best, and take care. --Blackcap | talk 06:07, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Why thank you, Throatwobbler Mangrove :). You're too kind. I have to say I've been described in many ways, but usually it's more along the lines of "Oh wow! What a macho, hot annual vegetation god imported into Greek mythology! I wanna do him!" This is often accompanied by the usual autonomic excesses. Seriously though, I try to be helpful when I can (we all do try I think). Thanks for thinking the User page was nice, too. Wanted it simple; I like the quote the best. Your page by the way is excellent — I've bookmarked it for the excellent links you've put up under "logical bent"! Cool article. Let me know if there's anything you need that I may help with, and best wishes!—Encephalon |   07:08:01, 2005-09-02 (UTC)

asthma

Thanks, Encephalon—I hope it's promoted to FA status. Tony 06:31, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

It better be. :) —Encephalon |   07:08:01, 2005-09-02 (UTC)

It was a pleasure to work on; thanks! Tony 09:23, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Townsville Primary School/Temp

I can kinda see where you're going with Fordson high school on WP:RS--some of the material in the article isn't verified and should probably be kept on hold until it can be properly verified. But what part of the Townsville article is based on unreliable sources? --Tony Sidaway 17:38, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Hey Tony. That's a good question— and I thank you for asking it here rather than on the AfD page, where the strong feelings of some could make for unpleasantness rather quickly. Mainly, it's not so much the unreliability of the sources, but what the sources say. I'll post a more detailed comment here shortly— could you give me a few minutes? Something's come up. Rgds—encephalon |   18:02:15, 2005-09-02 (UTC)

So, yes. What we have here is a nice note about a Singaporean school. It tells us that the school grounds were the venue of an event called Excel Day, organized by the local ministry of education. In the course of that day, a few government officials (some themselves important) gave speeches. It then tells us that the school has science classes; this fact found its way into a local newspaper. There's a one-line description in the newspaper of the class' show-and-tell.

I am being asked, on AfD, whether this article is suitable for an encyclopedia.

We all seem to answer this question with slightly different ways. For my part, I've tried to understand fundamentally how WP is "supposed" to admit articles, and I believe the important principles are WP:V, WP:N, WP:RS and related policies. The idea of verifiability is fundamental.

On WP, verifiability is used as a test of "notability," or "sufficiency" to gain admittance to the encyclopedia. Firstly , something whose very existence is unverifiable is automatically excluded from WP. We do not keep articles on Vulcans from Mars who holiday at Martha's Vineyard and vote Republican. However, verifying existence alone is not enough. If it were, there would be little need for AfD aside from deleting spam, as reasonable evidence of the existence of almost everything that actually exists is not hard to come by these days.

No, we like also having some evidence of what is often called "notability." By precedent, and the pronouncements of the Powers That Be on the issue of WP:V, we seem to use "verifiability" as the measure of that. How much primary and secondary source material is available on the subject? Are they reputable? How many different studies have been done on it? Books or theses written? News reports? Archival material? What material is available that has the subject of the article as its focus, so that you may use it to research and write about that subject? Given that WP is an encyclopedia, and an encyclopedia where original research is forbidden, the existence and quality of source material is crucial. A close reading of the policies will reveal, Tony, that what determines whether an article deserves encyclopedic treatment in WP essentially reduces to the nature and quality of the sources (per WP:V and WP:RS). For the sources are all that we really have, that we may write.

When addressing the issue of this particular school, I guess we face the same questions. Do we have sources that tell us about its history? How was it built, and what is the community where it was built like? What role has it played in the community? Has it had a notable economic role? A sociopolitical one? Did it play some notable part in history? Does it have a rich, centuries old past? Is the building itself notable, perhaps, architecturally? What primary and secondary research and reports focused on the school itself are available? These are WP:V and WP:RS questions, and in trying to answer them vis-a-vis this school, I couldn't find much that was encouraging.

There's a report that a one-day school event was held on the grounds, and their PM spoke there. You're right that this is reliable as it goes, but it's entirely peripheral as a source about the school. In fact the source provided is a tiny 4 paragraph note about the event in which the school is mentioned solely because its grounds were used as a venue. It was not about the school itself. That is to say, it is a poor source about the school: it's sole value is as an item that lends credence to the existence of such a school. Even the one bit of trivia we learn from it is not notable; Singapore is a tiny island state with 4 million people, with a tiny number of schools, and it will not be unusual for these buildings to be periodic venues for events when education officials troop into town.

Ditto the source about a science class in which children show-and-tell. A school having show-and-tell is about as notable as a car having tires. Further, I'm not certain of the reliability of the source— it's not the Times itself, but some website/forum that seems to have Times news cuttings on it.

I do not want to give you the impression that I'm some sort of anti-school POV warrior, Tony. Quite the contrary: if there was a good article on a school on AfD, I'd fight for it to be kept too. It's simply that I honestly believe that most current school articles on AfD are in contravention of some fundamental WP policies. So I just vote according to what I think, but I've no hard feelings about the issue and am not inherently opposed to it. I recall Sjakkale recently saying he was writing an article about his school(refactored from Bergen Katedralskole)— and it's 852 years old. Now there's a subject that hints at great encyclopedic possibilities. I'd love to see it— and more like it. Best wishes—encephalon |   21:56:23, 2005-09-02 (UTC)

Template:EntScholae Bergensis Cathedralis in Bergen, Norway.—encephalonέγκέφαλος  06:23:44, 2005-09-07 (UTC)

Thanks for your support!

Dear Encephalon, thanks for your vote of confidance at my RfA. I'll try hard to make the soggy mop proud! — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 19:22, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

No problem at all. I'm sure you mop well.—encephalon |   21:58:53, 2005-09-02 (UTC)

Featured!

Asthma and cerebellum are.

Greatly pleased am I. Yet go, shortly, I must.—encephalon |   15:28:20, 2005-09-03 (UTC)

Thanks for the Encephalon Cross. I did little to deserve it. Your sense of initiative and collaborative spirit is fantastic. Any further plans? JFW | T@lk 11:31, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, JFW. As regards the little award, even aside from your asthma contributions, I think if each of us gave you a barnstar a week it simply wouldn't be enough. The work you have done for WP medicine just boggles the mind. I'm slowing down a bit in the coming weeks, and will be completely away for a short period, but I'll still be editing and participating in MCOTW when I can. Best—encephalon |   12:29:09, 2005-09-04 (UTC)

I'm very pleased I can still boggle minds :-). JFW | T@lk 13:42, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

LOL.—encephalon |   09:45:32, 2005-09-05 (UTC)

I, too, thank you for bestowing upon me the Encephalon Cross. In all honesty, though, I probably did the least work on Asthma of all of us, so I can't say that I'm all that deserving. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate having the award, though! — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:39, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

My pleasure, KS; your mature leadership of the MCOTW is such that you're not allowed to say anything about not deserving barnstars n' medals n' things. I won't have it. :)—encephalon |   09:45:32, 2005-09-05 (UTC)

Many thanks for the Encephalon Cross, I'm touched - it gave me a (much needed) warm feeling to the heart. I went AWOL on the final push for Asthma to FA, and likewise Rheumatology & Pneumonia, as I found myself in CCU (as a patient). Hence the belated reply to your kind awarding of the barnstar. Asthma reaching FA is a major achievement for both MCOTW and all those involved, including yourself ! I'm now recovering slowly, and have several weeks to rest. No doubt I will start to dip back into WP, but I'll be easing myself back in slowly... David Ruben 00:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Heavens! What happened, David? I just assumed you'd gone on a break, as I seem to remember you telling us that was on the cards. The ICU. Goodness. Well, you're out of it now, that's what's important. Do take all the rest you need, and don't worry about WP. Or MCOTW. In fact, Seeker has declared something of a break on that. Please do take care, David, and let us know if there's anything you'd like us to do. You're in my thoughts. All the very best wishes—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  00:26:58, 2005-09-13 (UTC)

Euphausia superba: the eyes have it

Thank you

I am glad to know that you think I am neither stupid nor insane. And I was thrilled to read all the other good things you said about me. Thank you so much! Rl 11:33, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Don't mention it RI. Good luck for the next time! —encephalon |   13:15:29, 2005-09-04 (UTC)

Why Mister Encephalon

How you do go on, sir!  :) Thanks, I think.  :) It's just very frustrating with people like Tony Sidaway doing everything in their power to make it difficult to create a decent encyclopedia. Zoe 06:34, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Don't I :)? My view of what's been happening re: Tony is a bit more complicated, Zoe. I think he's a good fellow, talented at what he does, has strong views (sometimes intemperately expressed) on certain policy issues that are at odds with views held by many other equally fine contributors. A significant source of the dispute is simply that both views are compatible with how the policies are written, especially in regards the post-VfD review process, which is currently very ambiguous. I'm hoping the mediation process leads to an amicable solution.—encephalon |  

Kepler's supernova

I stole your style

I hope you don't mind but I saw your page and stole the header. If you have a problem with this I will be happy to revert or give you credit. Your pages are very pleasing to the eye. Good job David D. (Talk) 23:57, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Go ahead, David. All text written on WP is GFDL— you don't have to ask permission to use it on WP because it doesn't belong to me. As for crediting, that's always a nice gesture, but I'm not sure how you'd do it in this case because I didn't create that from scratch, but modified it from an earlier version I found lying around somewhere— there are several versions of it around WP. So don't worry about it. Finally, dude, you could never steal my style: you can imitate it, but I'd still have tons of it. ;) (God I can be such a corny bastard).—encephalonέγκέφαλος  05:09:50, 2005-09-06 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing the wealth. You're right, how could I ever steal all your style. But tons left ? ;) You make your style sound like luggage. Please leave it lying around all over wikipedia. David D. (Talk) 14:58, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

LOL. Thanks David.—encephalonέγκέφαλος  19:50:21, 2005-09-06 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Encephalon:
Thanks for support and your confidence in me in my recent RFB nomination. I'm now WP's newest bureaucrat. :) Regards, User:Nichalp/sg 20:22, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

No problem. You've done some fantastic work in the mainspace, and I didn't see any reason for concern in regard to your admin activity. Keep up the swell work, and good luck!—encephalonέγκέφαλος  03:55:12, 2005-09-07 (UTC)

CSD G4 text

No problem. Glad to have a change to give my 2 cents. Thanks for all your hard work on the proposal. Nandesuka 03:57, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Encephalon,
I'd like to state that the manner in which this was conducted was a credit not only to you personally but to Misplaced Pages in general.
brenneman 03:21, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

You're too kind, Aaron, but thank you. I fervently wish every discussion on WP was as friendly, and benefited by such thoughtful participants.—encephalonέγκέφαλος  11:30:34, 2005-09-12 (UTC)

Harry Potter trolling

I voted keep because it is an encyclopedic topic about a widespread internet phenomenon. Harry Potter trolling is even more prevalent than Slashdot trolling phenomena, which only takes place on one website. I even saw a reference to the Harry Potter troll on a syndicated sketch comedy program. The AfD on this article is taking deletionism way too far. --Ryan Delaney 08:36, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Ryan. I understand the sentiment. I voted delete myself because the reference base for the article seems to me to be original research, of a kind. A possible exception to this is the Encyclopedia Dramatica reference, although I'm hard-pressed to view that as substantial. Thanks.—encephalonέγκέφαλος  09:09:13, 2005-09-07 (UTC) Ref AfD

Consciousness

I see that you have made some edits to the article on consciousness without any explanations about the reasons. I would appreciate some clarification. Thanks. --Janice Rowe

Hi Janice, we just spoke on Talk. I did take a few minutes to post them, sorry; I was juggling things in real life. Metaphorically :). Kind regards—encephalonέγκέφαλος  23:02:17, 2005-09-07 (UTC) Ref

WWE

You're welcome. Please make sure it's on the right version, and let me know on the article's talk page if it's not. The revert was no problem, I saw the diff and facepalmed. --Phroziac 18:36, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Hey there. Sorry I didn't reply earlier but the orange message warning has not been working for me for at least two days now. I'm not very sure which is the completely unvandalized version, as I've absolutely no interest in the subject or that article (I was just helping out on RC patrol); however, it seemed to me that 65.190.202.204 and 70.116.100.97 are malicious editors. From what I can tell 68.199.236.174 was making acceptable edits. 70.35.237.8 blanked out a section that looks to me to have been valid. 82.11.177.212 removed all the screenshots (I'm not sure if this was due to a concern for Cvio, but I doubt it). There was too much crap going on on the page and the best thing to do was to lock it— I was hoping you would and you did. Thanks.—encephalonέγκέφαλος  19:51:30, 2005-09-08 (UTC) Ref

Joolz's RFA

Hey Encephalon, thanks for your vote on my recent RFA, your support was appreciated! :) Also, I see you've put one of my photos on your user page, which is cool :D Why did you upload it back to enwiki though? Cheers! -- Joolz 11:50, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Congrats Joolz! You're a first-rate chap, and I'm glad to see you admin'd. I say, I'd actually entirely forgotten that that beautiful Italian sunset was yours. I uploaded it on enwiki because I've been under the impression that's the way you do it; is there a way to express an image on enwiki which actually lies in commons? I tried and couldn't get it to work. I've noticed that photos that end up on the Main page that are from the commons tend to be uploaded to enwiki too. It's likely however that I've been entirely clueless as usual :). Please feel free to link the image on my page directly to the commons one, if there's a way to do it. I'll just see how you do it and do the same from now. Thanks, and good luck!—encephalonέγκέφαλος  12:37:36, 2005-09-09 (UTC) Ref RfA, Ponzalla, Italia

Thanks again :) You can display commons images in the normal way, the only exception to that is if there's a local copy which will override it - they will often upload a local duplicate for main page images to protect them from vandalism. Regards, Joolz 13:04, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi Encephalon. Thanks for your enthusiastic support on my RfA, and for the congratulations; I was shocked by the amount of support it drew. I hope I'll make a good admin. Thanks also for the comment you wrote in my RfA — I wasn't sure how many people would read the mini-essays I wrote as answers. Conflict resolution, when successful, can be quite rewarding. Anyway, as I learn my way around the new buttons please do keep an eye on me and my logs, and let me know if I can help out. Thanks again. -Splash 13:19, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

No problem dude. And yeah I'll be watching you real close, so careful what you do with that broom. :)—encephalonέγκέφαλος  14:06:29, 2005-09-09 (UTC) Ref RfA

Eyjafjallajökull: cold beauty

Lester Rodney

Hello Encephalon, Thanks for alerting me to the copyvio issue concerning Lester Rodney. I've now commented on it at the undelete page. Regards, Arcturus

No problem at all, Arcturus. Thank you for your graciousness in joining us. For what it's worth, once cesarb undeleted the page's history, I could see exactly why you suspected a copyvio; although my first thought was that the anon had actually written the piece as he signed it, those aspects you mentioned raise questions, and it was an entirely reasonable thing to do to list it on copyvio for further investigation. That the investigation did not take place before a summary deletion was the flaw in the process, and one that we ought not fault anyone for, given the tremendous neglect the copyvio section of WP is subject to. Regards—encephalonέγκέφαλος  11:51:16, 2005-09-11 (UTC) Ref VfU

When the article was undeleted and blanked to {{deletedpage}}, it should really have been protected; I presume it was simply an oversight that it wasn't (it should also have been blanked to {{tempundelete}}, but that's less important). So, really, you shouldn't have been able to revert it. Since you could have done, and the VfU debate appeared to have concluded that, whilst unsure, this might just have been copyright paranoia I think you'd have been ok to revert; WP:BOLD exists for a reason. I could have done the deed sooner than I did, of course, but I'm reluctant to vary process when there is no immediate pressing need. I hope that article is dealt with very quickly; it's quite sickening to read, as is the conversation surrounding it.-Splash 19:02, 16 September 2005 (UTC) (preceding comment by Splash moved from below for my eccentric organizational purposes—encephalonὲγκέφαλον 20:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC))

• I agree completely. That article needs a quick copy edit job and some wikifying. Didn't cesarb or someone promise?—encephalonὲγκέφαλον 20:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes, the VfU nominator did. I left a note on their talk page, since I didn't have the inclination to go and find the anon myself. I might have had such inclinations if you medics had fixed the common cold, though, mightn't I? Not that I'm feeling sorry for myself, or am even sure which kind of medic you are. But anyway. </rambling> -20:59, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
    • We're working on it. But I say, if this is the sort of output you have when you're ill... Jimbo should just shut down WP to all of us and hand you the keys, dude. ;)—encephalonὲγκέφαλον 21:10, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Anton Chekhov

Hello Encephalon, my english isn't quite good, but i hope it's good enough to answer your questions about the photograph. You asked why the photo is entitled Anton Tschechow Denkmal? Denkmal is the german word für memorial or monument, that's all. The Chekhov Bust is in the Park (Kurpark) from Badenweiler near the castle Baden. In 1908 was raised a monument for Chekhov, but it was destroyed in WW I. 1992 Chekhov Friends from Sachalin have donated a new Chekhov Bust.--de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Alex_Anlicker

Hi Alex, thanks so much for stopping by. I understand now. That bit of history about the bust is interesting— I'll add it to your Image page as a comment by the photographer and link this comment (if you have a good reference for that, even better). Is the official name of the park "Der Kurpark von Badenweiler" And your English is perfect, Alex, no worries. Dankeschön!—encephalonέγκέφαλος  11:24:08, 2005-09-12 (UTC)

Lectonar's RfA

Thanks for your support on my RfA...and thanks for the good man...I'll try to live up to it Lectonar 11:26, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

No problem. And no worries: you already do.—encephalonέγκέφαλος  11:43:54, 2005-09-12 (UTC)

Bmicomp's RfA

Well, my RfA is not quite over yet, but either way, I'd like to thank you for your vote and your support, regardless of the outcome. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 18:20, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

You're a natural, BMI. It was my pleasure.—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  00:57:00, 2005-09-13 (UTC)

Katefan0's RFA

Thank you very kindly for your support for my nomination. I promise your trust will not be misplaced; I may occasionally be slightly buzzed with power, but never drunk. ;) · Katefan0 22:17, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what you say now...:)—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  00:57:00, 2005-09-13 (UTC)

Android79's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA and for your kind comments. android79 22:24, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Pleasure. You should check out the WP:CSD talk page, by the way.—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  00:57:00, 2005-09-13 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your support in my recent RFA! All those extra buttons might not be a big deal, but getting all this positive feedback sure is, please let me know if you have any problems or comments regarding how I use all these shiny new levers and cranks! Rx StrangeLove 00:35, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Sure thing!—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  00:57:00, 2005-09-13 (UTC)

Re: David

It's funny—when I saw that heading on my talk page, the first thing I though was, "Oh, he knows my name." The second was, "Wait, my name's not David." I've been working nights in the ED and I guess I'm even more zoned out than usual.

Anyway, wow, that's pretty scary. I just figured he was taking a little break too. I hope he is able to quickly recover. — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:46, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

LOL! Dude. That's hilarious. I've been there though, so I can commiserate. And yeah, I hope he gets well soon too.—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  08:11, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Whaddya think?

I've recorded some of my thoughts and ideas about problems within Misplaced Pages, and some possible solutions here. I'd like your thoughts, and whether or not you think I'm crazy, stupid or insane ;). Thanks.--Scimitar 17:48, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Must...find...time to..reply...re:decent proposal...soon.—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  23:14, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

The scope of VfU

Considering the Harry Potter trolling VfU discussion and several recent ones, it's time we revived the discussion on Misplaced Pages talk:Votes for undeletion#The scope of VfU and dealt with the question directly. Whilst you weren't involved in the original discussion, your remarks on this VfU suggested you might nevertheless want to chip in, so I thought I'd let you know. -Splash 21:51, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

for harry potter trolling. Redwolf24 (talk) 23:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes. I'm pondering the speedy issue. I can see the strength of the "debate it where we can all see it argument", but I'd like to end the need for summary reversals of admin decision except in the most obvious cases (the AWW... template on VfU tonight/day is a good example). I'll sit and think about the "I'm a supercrat so I can squeak by that 'admin' rule" thing. I'd like a simple phrasing that doesn't say "all editors, including admins, bureuacrats, stewards, developers and Jimbo Wales...". Arguably, the necessary tools for undelete, being available to admins, are exercised by the other classes of user in their capacity as an admin rather than in their more 'senior' capacity. -Splash 00:53, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

3vil. It would be nice if we could avoid the need. Looking at the way people are responding at the moment, it's sort of self-polling anyway and the support/objections are pretty clear. I will post it on VP/Policy as I have forgotten thus far to do soIt's been done by DESeigel. I do sometimes wonder at the abhorrence of polls in policy space: we certainly can't determine the truths and facts of article space by polls but away from article space there is no truth to divine. Anyway. Would still be nice to avoid it, although I think perhaps we might need to structure the discussion a little; I'm starting to fear edit-conflicts. It looks as if we will have to take speedies out of scope, and I've more or less come around to the idea as I said in my last post. Having stretched my immense creative abilities to their limits, behold my new sig: -Splash 20:02, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

It's breathtakingly original, Splash, love it. :) About DR, I'll say something non-trivial over there. Soon.—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  23:19, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the discussion is too mired. I was giving it a day or two to simmer. We need to work on the mechanics of it. There are changes being made, rather unilaterally imo, elsewhere (I'm sure you've spotted them) that appear to me to be attempts to cut off the forming consensus on the talk page. We should not allow them to stand, and one way of doing that is to drive the discussion forward. I just wrote a new section on the talk page about mechanics and am hoping that will stir some debate over those. Once that is done, I shall take the flak for implementing the new procedure since I observe a pretty dang clear consensus that the new procedure is wanted, subject to ironing out the details. -Splash 19:02, 16 September 2005 (UTC) (preceding comment by Splash moved from below for my eccentric organizational purposes—encephalonὲγκέφαλον 20:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC))

Noted. I most definitely spotted them—they've been quite a few actually, to several pages. It's a bit discouraging. I don't think you're going to be taking the flak for anything though. You're doing your thing cordially and with an open, consensus-driven attitude.—encephalonὲγκέφαλον 20:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Medical record on MCOTW

Hi! You showed support for Medical record, this week's Medicine Collaboration of the Week. You are invited to help improve it! — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:42, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Wha... so soon? Noooooo... :) —encephalonὲγκέφαλον  23:22, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

my gender

Hey Encephalon,

I found it interesting that you felt the need to point out my gender to someone who guessed incorrectly. While it is a little strange that most people seem to assume nearly all Wikipedians are male, I really don't get offended when people make that assumption, and I don't tend to bother correcting them. I'd rather be judged on my edits than my gender. Thanks though! moink 21:51, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Hello moink. I wish we didn't have to start a conversation this way! Your note left me with the heart-sinking feeling that I'd done you wrong, somehow. I'm deeply sorry, and I apologize unreservedly. To clarify, I did not feel the need to say anything. But I did want to say what I did. We often make too many unfounded assumptions of our fellows, some harmless, others insidiously harmful, but all preferably exchanged for truth, where that is known. I spoke for that, and only that, reason. I would not—ever—judge edits or works or anything else by gender, and indeed I'm sure the person who made the mistake didn't either. I hope you'll forgive the error if you feel my speaking was inappropriate, moink. Needless to say, I shall henceforth resolutely hold my tongue should similar circumstances arise :). Very sincerely yours—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  23:10, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I totally didn't think it was inappropriate! Wow, are we ever having tone-misreading issues here, as are so common with text. I just thought I'd make a comment that I noticed and that I didn't find it necessary, and a philosophical statement on the nature of gender, and our need to know it about everyone else. I am not, and was never, in the least hurt, offended, angry, or anything negative. Sorry for giving you that impression! And interestingly, I have no idea what gender you are, which adds to my original amusement. moink 23:52, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Lol. All's well that ends well. I'm glad I had not caused offense, moink. And of course there's completely no need for you to apologize, as it was I who appears to have done the misreading. Say, while we're tangentially on the subject of the Potter VfU; it is my understanding that while 67% may validly be deemed a concensus in AfDs, it is by no means necessary for a closer to do so. That is to say, if you wish to use only >80% as an indication of concensus, that's perfectly all right; your call on the first AfD was valid. I also agree with your remarks on the VfU Talk page; there's a provision in the proposal, by the way, that allows DR to be skipped if the involved admins/editors can sort things out themselves. Best—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  00:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC) NB. Hmm.

I also think my closing was within the range of possible validity... but I really don't feel strongly about it and I don't care at all that it was deleted, though I wish I'd had the chance to explain myself first. But Phroziac apologized and it's all fine now. As to that edit, I do sometimes like a little bit of numerical guidance, precisely for cases like this, where I don't have a lot to guide my judgment but sheer numerics. moink 02:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks...

...fancypants! :) No idea which deletion deserved that, but I did laugh when I saw it. I've discovered that when you turn admin, the vandalism rate on your userspace soars. Annoyingly, my current pet vandal is in Australia, so blanks my userpage only when I'm asleep. Just as well we have RC patrol! -Splash 01:50, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Hey no problem dude, I got your back. I'm starting to understand though, why many of you oft-vandalized heroes of the 'pedia seem to display these scars so proudly—it's actually kinda cool, ain't it? Dang. I've never been vandalized even once. I think this calls for decisive action. No more mister nice guy; out with the diplomacy, in with the pissy attitude. Yeah. You better watch out, vandals! You hear me?! No more nice polite messages on your talk pages. Meow. Roooar.—fancypantsκομψός 11:36, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Eh...I'm usually pretty polite, and I still get my share of vandalism—or at least I did when I had more time to do RC patrol. Sometimes I think that more talk and politeness leads to more user page vandalism. Oh well...— Knowledge Seeker দ 04:13, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Lol. Thanks for my first Userpage vandalism, Seeker. It was exquisite ;). I guess I'm now important :)—encephalonὲγκέφαλον 20:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your well considered remarks concerning my RfA, which I have formally withdrawn. The full text of my withdrawal and statement of appreciation is on the RfA page. Best wishes, Leonard G. 03:52, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Leonard, thank you for your note. I have not ever entered a non-support vote with as much reluctance as I did on your RfA. It is extremely rare for me not to support an RfA I choose to participate in—if memory serves well, I've only voted neutral twice, and I've never voted oppose. I'd like to be clear about why I didn’t vote in support. As I said on the RfA, I think admins have many roles, and the community generally expects of its sysops a certain familiarity with the practices, policies and guidelines that govern the encyclopedia. I later realized from reading the comments on the RfA and on your Talk page that you'd come to this purely to better your vandal-fighting efforts (ie. for the help of the rollback button). There's absolutely nothing wrong with this (in fact I'm one of those people who leans towards making the rollback available to every registered editor); it's only that the role of admin is often seen as having many more facets than RC/NP patrolling (important though these activities are). Admins, by virtue of the privileges granted to them, often play important roles in areas like WP:CP, WP:AfD, WP:VfU. They have the power to block editors, too, and with this comes the need for them to have a good understanding of WP policy and to be good mediators; temperance is a great virtue in an admin. If you gain just a bit more experience in the above spaces, I will be very glad to support your next RfA.—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  11:33, 15 September 2005 (UTC) Ref RfA

Rayleigh scattering

VfU copyedit

Nice work on VfU. - Tεxτurε 20:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, Texture (there's a sentence I never thought I'd say!). Tony's placing on that page a copy of the central tenets of the Undeletion policy was an excellent idea. However, I'm not sure I agree with some of the interpretations being made on the Talk page. Will probably post a bit later. Best—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  20:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Message

You're an athiest, aren't you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.26.123 (talk • contribs) , at 01:21 2005 September 16 (UTC)

I'm sorry?—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  01:30, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Reply: You said that Earth will be destroyed by the increasing heat of the sun. You must be and athiest. I find your information interesting (Like the big bang theory).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.26.123 (talk • contribs) , at 01:34, 2005 September 16 (UTC)

Ah. You must refer to the quotation on my User page. It's not I who said that, it was a wikipedian who was in a discussion elsewhere. I actually found it linked from another editor's page; I thought it was funny. As to the Sun, cosmologists predict that in about 4 billion years it will become a red giant as its hydrogen fuel core is consumed and exhausted. It will begin to expand, and it is thought this expansion will make the continued existence of Earth rather unlikely. I'm not a cosmologist, so you must forgive me if I'm unable to give you a better description. By the way, do you think you could sign your posts when you make them? You do it by placing four tildes at the end, like so: ~~~~ Best—encephalonὲγκέφαλον  01:55, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Harry Potter trolling

You're right, I saw it on Misplaced Pages:Votes for undeletion and thought the AfD notice was leftover from the previous nomination, not a new listing. Unfortunately, I think this is a situation where adherence to process gets in the way of the best solution, as I thought my edit was a pretty good compromise. --Michael Snow 21:36, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

I think it's not an unreasonable solution, Michael, you're right. But I do think we should be especially careful to let the process take its course for this particular article and AFD. It has been quite contentious, and sparked extensive discussions on related issues in VfU, the VfU talk page, the Undeletion policy page and Talk page, the second AfD's Talk page... it's really something that might be best to just let flow along, or the whole process might get repeated again in a second VfU and third AfD, and I don't think the community will be the better for that. Of course, I completely understand that you'd redirected without any knowledge of the second AfD.—encephalonὲγκέφαλον 22:17, 16 September 2005 (UTC) Ref AfD1, AfD2, Rv.

Nandesuka's RfA

I just wanted to drop you a note to thank you for your support on my RfA, and also for using greek letters in your signature, which I think just looks really cool. I'll try my best to live up to the trust you've shown in me. Thanks, Nandesuka 00:38, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello, I thank you for your support to my adminship, and I am sure that we shall be around contributing and building the encyclopedia. I will surely keep the confidence reposed in me. --Bhadani 09:25, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

As promised. You're an excellent candidate.—encephalonεγκέφαλον 13:12, 18 September 2005 (UTC) Ref RfA

Desysopsing inactive admins

Dia duit a chara, Encephalon, haven't seen you in a while, and I hope you're well. Thought you might be interested in this: Misplaced Pages:Desysopsing inactive admins (older threads here and the newer one, here). Seemed like something right up your alley. --Blackcap | talk 16:11, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

'Lo, it's me, the Central Scrutinizer, again... take a gander at this 'un too. --Blackcap | talk 16:54, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Blackcap. Say, you're back sooner than expected—trip postponed?—encephalonεγκέφαλον 19:07, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. There was an extremely sudden change: after being in the mountains for 12 very intense hours, I quit my job and came back home to San Francisco. There was a fight and threats from one of the other men who live up there, not to mention that my employer forgot to give me any refrigeration and didn't have any water for me. I figured that I'd rather be in a place where I could sleep well and have an employer who cared enough about his employees to give them some kind of food storage and drinking water, so I left. I had been having problems up there before, and got into a pretty big fight with him (the employer) in July, so I counted this as the last straw. --Blackcap | talk 19:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)