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Showsec logo

Hi, I have uploaded the company logo of Showsec onto the page I created, however I am not sure which copyright tag to apply. Can you please check and tell me which is best? I took it from the following website - http://www.crowd-management.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrazyMiner (talk • contribs) 18:02, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Your vandalism of John D. Rockefeller

Your edits of John D. Rockefeller have been reverted. Rockefeller's quotes are presented in a better way here http://en.wikiquote.org/John_D._Rockefeller. And some of your edits are Uncited and poorly written, (Everything has a price. on his anti-trust and other allegations) (on why didn't he fear govt. action when he was committing anti-trust crimes). And STOP posting messages to users about articles you are not familiar with. NothingWorthy (talk) 17:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

You added the entire "Quotes" section to the article, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_D._Rockefeller&diff=234586622&oldid=234586525. You should have first researched if there are "quotes" by John D. Rockefeller in any other Wikimedia project, here Wikiquote comes to mind. Then feel free to add a link to it on John D. Rockefeller.

Your next edit, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_D._Rockefeller&diff=234586775&oldid=234586622, Unencyclopedic, Uncited and Poorly Written, is clearly an act of vandalism.

And, STOP posting messages to users about articles you are not familiar with. NothingWorthy (talk) 17:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I did not add it, I just restored what you had previously removed. You seem to think that this article is your personal domain, but I'm sorry it is not. Misplaced Pages is open for anyone. De728631 (talk) 18:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Fortunately, WP is not short-minded, you added it http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_D._Rockefeller&diff=234586622&oldid=234586525. John D. Rockefeller is vandalised regularly on a daily basis, keeping a watchful eye on it is not like thinking of the article as my "personal domain". See the edits just after yours were reverted. NothingWorthy (talk) 18:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately you seem to be unaware of your own doings or you've just not yet learned the real meaning of edit histories. Here it is you who removes the entire section of quotes, which I later restored because you didn't state a reason for your deleting the text. So what my revert added was not my own text but older text which you had deleted. De728631 (talk) 18:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

"So what my revert added was not my own text but older text which you had deleted", Does it reallay make a difference?. You were the last one to ADD the "Quotes" section, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_D._Rockefeller&diff=234586622&oldid=234586525. You also ADDED this, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_D._Rockefeller&diff=234586775&oldid=234586622, which is Unencyclopedic, Uncited and Poorly Written.

You ADDED thoses edits, and you deny that, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_D._Rockefeller&diff=234586622&oldid=234586525, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_D._Rockefeller&diff=234586775&oldid=234586622. I removed thoses edits, twice, and I never denied that. NothingWorthy (talk) 18:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

You don't get my point. I only deny that the text I added was originally written by myself. Had you, while removing that big chunk of text, stated in the edit summary that it was poorly written and unencyclopedic and whatnot, I hadn't even touched the article. I just reverted what looked like a deliberate deletion of text to me, not more. So, please let's quit this unproductive discussion and let's go back to editing. De728631 (talk) 18:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Again, whether you produced them or just brought them back, it makes NO difference. If you are unaware of this http://en.wikiquote.org/John_D._Rockefeller, and if you do not know what you are SUBMITTING to WP, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_D._Rockefeller&diff=234586622&oldid=234586525, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_D._Rockefeller&diff=234586775&oldid=234586622,

why in first place messing up with the article. NothingWorthy (talk) 18:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Lambda Phi Delta

If you would please look through pages such as Omega Phi Beta, Sigma Lambda Upsilon as well as Lambda Phi Epsilon, you will see that our page is no different than the pages listed. We are not advertising anything, simply providing another form of information about our community based organization. Thank you.--Hazel0033 (talk) 04:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

audio design & recording

The company is noteable for the following - The company were one of the first to introduce Field-effect transistors into a commercially available limiter amplifier in 1966.

Salomon Heine

Okay. Thanks. Erikzann (talk) 00:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Charles (Karl) Heine

I've started work on another translation, one of Charles (Karl) Heine. If you could proofread it it'd be much appreciated. Erikzann (talk) 03:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Verbandsbauart on English Misplaced Pages

Sorry, I was in the process of translating this article. It's now finished. Bermicourt (talk) 19:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Karlín

Hey, the text transfer/translation's done, but do you know how to transfer over the GIS stuff for the map? Erikzann (talk) 13:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

==zhakoff-Amursky)]] • (yo?); 15:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Charles F. Adams class destroyer

I have reverted your change with regards to Greece because the United States sold DDGs 15, 16, 18, 23, and 24 to Greece. Therefore, they are justified to be included in the infobox. -MBK₀₀₄ 18:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Template

Hi there DE, VASCO here,

Thank you very much for your proper insertion of template on the player (SERGIO GARCIA DE LA FUENTE)...until further notice, he does play for ZARAGOZA. Thanks.

From PORTUGAL,

VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 00:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

tons and tonnes

I know this problem should not exist but some countries can't get round to the simple task of eradicating imperial measures!

In your article "Amrum Lighthouse" I have changed your ton to tonnes. I appreciate you linked to metric ton, so at least I knew it was in fact a metric ton! However I tend to simply write all "metric tons" as "tonnes" so that there is never any confusion when reading. I wonder if you agree this is the best way to do it?

I notice also your user page states you prefer Metric. Do you know if there are any WikiProjects in relation to adding/fixing metric measurements on articles?

(Also, I have stolen userboxes from you!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delta-NC (talk • contribs) 02:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Amos Smith et. al.

Not quite. Just the ones with oft-cited papers (according to Google Scholar) and notable positions (e.g. Amos Smith). .seVer!Ty^- (talk) 16:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Re

I never edited Discospinster's page and Discospinster never edited Zodiac Killer. You reverted my edits from an IP's talk page - CL — 21:06, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

It's alright, I know we can get tied up sometimes :) Happy editing - CL — 21:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Translation

Or do it myself like I just did to Gerardo Abad Conde? Thanks ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦ 11:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Done, sorry about all the red links, just shows how much content is missing! ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦ 12:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

NATO flag

please do not add the NATO flag to any other page other than NATO itself due to copyright restrictions. Please check the image for yourself to see copyright details. Ijanderson977 (talk) 22:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Well that differs from this This should be followed up further. Ijanderson977 (talk) 22:40, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if I cause any inconveniences, i was just following what the image on wikipedia said itself, assuming that this was correct. Apparently we can use the image, as wikipedia is not commercial. I will get this reviewed. Ijanderson977 (talk) 22:45, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Ive notified an admin over the images copyright with the NATO website link, so its going to get corrected hopefully. I think its best to wait before we re-add the image, wait till its been reviewed. Thanks Ijanderson977 (talk) 22:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

This is the response i got . I still don't know if we can use it. Ijanderson977 (talk) 14:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Cat:Freemasonry

The WikiProject has stated such for usability. Most Masons don't do anything notable for the Fraternity itself (or participate at all, sometimes), so putting them in the cat is overcategorization at worst, and not helpful at least. The names in the cat now are notable directly in connection with Freemasonry, as noted in their articles. MSJapan (talk) 22:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't do much good; you don't have to go to the cat page to add a cat to a page. What would work is a generic notability policy regarding fraternal groups, because I'm sure Rotary, for one, has the same problem. MSJapan (talk) 22:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Einat Haran deletion

Are you serious when you write that her death was incidental and non notable? Her death was documented by World Wide Papers and is still discussed NOW DAYS, 30 years after she was murdered.

I posted an afd for the article. A typical case of WP:MEMORIAL. --Soman (talk) 21:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

"Daddy's Little Girls"

My apologizes for misusing my rollback rights on you. It was just a mistake as I was simply going after the IP vandal. Happy editing. ~ Troy (talk) 22:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Good. Just making sure ;) ~ Troy (talk) 22:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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Well if you are an administrator can you please delete this comment right here after you read it. Also I created that "Unnecessary Paragraph" section in the talk page so can you or I please remove it. Plus on the administrator's userpage I decided that I don't want that comment on there anymore. Is there any way that all of this can be deleted? If I wrote all of it, what difference does it make because I want to erase all of it. If you could help out I would appreciate it. --Randomface123 (talk) 23:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Template Substitution

Hi again. I didn't think I'd come across you again today.

You're doing a great job as I see it. I am only here to remind you to use subst: to substitute warning templates (you forgot to do that on User talk:69.245.26.221).

..don't worry, I used to always forget before getting used to it. Best wishes, ~ Troy (talk) 23:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Page

All I want deleted is that one section in the discussion page. I wrote it, so can I please delete it? --Randomface123 (talk) 23:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandal reporting

Hi! Thanks for reporting User:75.37.6.108. However, I haven't blocked this person, as they did not receive sufficient warnings. The idea is to increase the level of warnings each time they vandalise. This is a fundemental of WP:AGF - we assume that they are just being playful initially, and give gentle level 1 or 2 warnings (see WP:MLT for a full list of templated warnings). When they reach level 3, this is the first assumption of bad faith, after which they will get blocked. See WP:VANDAL for the full warning process. Please don't be discouraged though - your vandal fighting help is appreciated! This post is not meant to chastise you, just to make you fully aware of the blocking process. Thanks for your efforts - they are appreciated! StephenBuxton (talk) 11:06, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Monitoring as a service

I'm unsurprised that this article was tagged - I just saved it while having lunch and will extend it shortly. Anyway this is a growing area (half a dozen providers have popped up over the last month or two) and it's fairly critical for cloud computing... given the term is both descriptive and generic it is thus surprising that someone has tried to trademark it - a Misplaced Pages article ought to slow them down a bit. samj (talk) 13:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks. samj (talk) 14:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

DRG Class E 77

Wow, that was quick! I took a break to do some railway modelling, came back and thought... Hmmm... did I finish that already?! Thank you!

BTW I'm discussing with the Trains Wikiproject the idea of setting up a German Railways sub-project or task force. Would you be interested in joining that? I'm fairly new to Misplaced Pages and it would be good to have an expert on the team. I'll understand if you're too busy. --Bermicourt (talk) 17:35, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Danke

I just wanted to say thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. You rock. --Woland (talk) 17:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

L. piperatus

The information has been taken from multiple sources, and it is good encyclopedic style (as well as polite) to cite them. I am by no means an expert, so it is my way of showing the reader that they are not relying on what I say, but on the observations of an expert. Perhaps they could be cut down a little- I will take a look at that now. J Milburn (talk) 17:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I've cut it down a little- I do see what you mean, I just want to get the balance right between attributing the right statement to the right source (especially as two of them are offline sources) and keeping the paragraph uncluttered. J Milburn (talk) 18:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Halina Mierzejewski translation in English

Hi! I have translated the Polish and French text in English, please feel free to check for accuracy (grammar...). How can I remove the "translation required box" now? Would you help me? Thank youandalism

Baron

I realised about the vandalism in his second edit. oh well! ChiragPatnaik (talk) 19:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Yup, it is gone too... ChiragPatnaik (talk) 19:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: User warnings

Hello. Thanks for the message you left on my talk page. Unfortunately I am not sure which issue you are talking about. Sorry, can you be more specific? Thanks, Kralizec! (talk) 17:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I must have added the {{AIV}} note on the wrong line. Looking at the block log, it appears that I blocked this user during the same minute that you were leaving me a message about it. --Kralizec! (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the mix-up. With all the rapid bot edits to AIV, mistakes like this sometimes happen because of the edit conflicts. Sorry again, Kralizec! (talk) 17:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Bulldog180

Im sorry about the dukes of hazzard thing im still new to the wikipedia.

bulldog180

Thank you for the information.Bulldog180 (talk) 19:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC) Do you want to be friends?Bulldog180 (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Redirects

They're coming, if you see earlier discussions, the point was raised before; and you, too, can help, so please do. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Correct, by the way, the schwa ("ə") is transcribed either as an "e" or as an "a" - so 2 redirects. I am glad someone is helping out. When these are done, I hope they'll end up looking like the 1200 or so in Armenia that were just completed. :-) Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Environ Skin Care

I know I have been through this already, but Environ is a product rather widely used in South Africa and by a few overseas celebrities as well. I want to add the significance of these products in our country and list the countries that they are available in. Maybe include their Product range if I may. Please tell me if I am going about this in a wrong way. AGrobler (talk) 17:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Jtjn6

• Jtjn6 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

FYI, this is a sock of Primetime (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). For more information see WP:ANI#High speed serial reverters Rolecourt 456 and Rvt edits forever, Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Primetime, and Misplaced Pages:Long term abuse/Primetime. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Um...

What unconstructive edit did I make? Do not accuse me of vandalism, considering I have continually added quality work to Misplaced Pages. If you are referring to editing the headline on the pro wrestling talk page because it said "riduculous," I apologize -- but I would think an encyclopedia would have high enough standards to not have such a glaring typo on a discussion page.--ECWAGuru (talk) 13:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I know see what you were referring to. Here's the problem...that wasn't my edit! Someone else blanked that section, not me. Why don't you look at what my actual edit was? It addedto the discussion. Therefore, STOP adding accusatory statements on my talk page that are not true. Do some research first, for godsake.--ECWAGuru (talk) 13:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I've looked again, and I now see the edit in question. I'm quite sure you will not believe me, but I don't know how that happened. I did not...I repeat...did not intentionally delete the comments on the talk page. My guess is that I intended to highlight something else of my own, and ended up deleting the wrong thing. Therefore, I apologize for the confusion.--ECWAGuru (talk) 13:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Garethrichards123

The talk page has to remain, since that's where spamming notices and the block notice go; and theoretically, if he wanted to appeal the block, that's where he'd do so. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

reverting vandilism on my talkpage

thanks for reverting very quickly vandalism on my talk page (Now I can update my vandal User Box ^_^)Alexnia (talk) 19:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

redirects

You are partially correct. If you type in the search box, you're 100% correct. If you create a link in an article using the dotted i where only the link with an undotted i exists, you'll get a redlink. Try it. For some reason, more "smarts" are built in the search function than in the linking function. So I try to put make links. I have finished making the redirects for all the Azerbaijan articles I created beginning with a schwa, and those beginning with "E". Thanks again for helping out! Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Tanoli

tanoli also blongs to Karlanri tribes of pathan that are not on the list of pashton .. Tanoli have a very strong estate of pashton .. is a tribe of more famuso richest pashton. I ask wikipedia please put on the list of pashton.that Tanoli origin of afghan pashton own histry

The Tanoli are already mentioned in the article Pashtun tribes as a member of the Karlan tribe. De728631 (talk) 17:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Filterheadz

Thank you for proofreading the Filterheadz article. Hatcatt (talk) 02:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you -re vandalism

Thank you very much for interceding on my behalf, re vandals upon my page. Best regards, Dogru144 (talk) 23:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Super Replicas spammer

OK, he's blocked for 48 hours. Deb (talk) 19:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

space archeology

Thanks for the help Brews ohare (talk) 00:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Greek text pages

Done. Thanks :-) CultureDrone (talk) 09:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

حاتم علي

Ok man, I will try to translate, I can help I think :). Thanks for attention btw! Mohamed Magdy (talk) 15:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome, actually it needs some higher English verification though. I think I merely used elementary English, eh? Thanks, Mohamed Magdy (talk) 10:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It's now semi-ready (elementary), just needs some fixes for ("award for best direction", etc, such phrases were not well-written). El Afo =] (response to Shukran). You're studying Arabic, aren't you? Mohamed Magdy (talk) 11:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Lavandula x intermedia

If you are clear on the preferred way to do this, please make the change. I am not sure if you mean to remove Lavandula x intermedia altogether, or to redirect both it and Dutch Lavendar to Lavendar. Thanks --SV Resolution(Talk) 16:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it. That's good for me for now -- I just wanted a link from 2-methyl furan to Dutch Lavender. --SV Resolution(Talk) 16:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think your suggestion would have been easiest. --SV Resolution(Talk) 16:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thea Bakken Granberg

I'll gladly delete Thea Bakken Granberg if you can give me a clue what the Norwegian text says. Thanks!--Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Works for me. It's gone. :) --Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous user deleting warnings

Hey there. As you have noticed, 74.7.3.202 keeps continuously deleting warnings from his talk page, and replacing them with insulting texts (nigg*r etc...). I have reported him twice to WP:AIV. Some bot called HBC AIV helperbot5 tells 1 IP left. rm 74.7.3.202 (blocked 31 hours by Gimmetrow (ACB))..

Still, I can't see him/her blocked. Any idea what's going on with the bot? Ilyushka88 (talk) 14:48, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah nevermind. GDonato Semi-protected the page. Ilyushka88 (talk) 14:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah that's the problem. I have many admins in my bookmarks, but always when I need to ask something from them, they're offline.

zoaib paktiawal

here a little bit about histry of Tanoli .. what they are pashton tribe, Tanoli belongs to the Karlanri tribes of pashton, and name of a Pashtun tribe in en.wikipedia.org / wiki / Tanoli indicated here on Tanoli origin is wrong, is a origin of Afghan.

The Tanoli (Tani, Taniwal, Tanolies, Tanawalis)is name of a Pashtun pathan tribe The are a prominent and famous Muslim Pashtun tribe residing Gardaiz and Ghazni both cities of Afghanistan Some Tanoli tribe also live in Paktia histry of afghanistan saying that race of the 12th century is the period Tanoli dose left in afghanistan and defrente countries .. Tanoli was stronger tribe of pashton .. Tanoli is a Reyal family of afghan always fought against many tribusy defrente part of afghanistan and others countries. The Tanoli were freedom fighters and they showed bravery against their rivals, especially the Sikhs and the British Turks with other prominent Pashtun tribes of the region like Swati, Tareens and Shilmani,

Some Writers show Tanoli (Tani, Taniwal, Tanolies, Tanawalis also live in Pakistan

http://www.americola.com/sites/tanoli/

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Zoaib.paktiwal" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.7.111.238 (talk) 15:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

August 2008

Thank you for making a report about BortonKarl (talk · contribs · block log) on Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Misplaced Pages and all users are encouraged to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, it appears that the editor you reported may not have engaged in vandalism, or the user was not sufficiently or appropriately warned. Please note there is a difference between vandalism and unhelpful or misguided edits made in good faith. If they continue to vandalise after a recent final warning, please re-report it. Thank you! Edits are not vandalism. Please ensure recent edits constitute vandalism before re-reporting. the motives might be questionable but they are not vandalism by themselves. Try to contact the user maybe? -- lucasbfr 17:48, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

You are indeed right. I have left the user a warning about this behaviour. If that continues, he might be blocked as a sock because this smells bad indeed. -- lucasbfr 17:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. De728631 (talk) 18:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Starting vortex

Hi De728631! Thanks for your message on my Talk page. I have responded in detail on my Talk page. Dolphin51 (talk) 23:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:ANI vandalism

It's from 4chan -- someone posts a link there and asks the sheep to click it, and they do. No big deal. NawlinWiki (talk) 23:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply: Major (Swedish Armed Forces)

I really appreciate your point as it does indeed look weird! The Swedish military rankings system is absurd and leads to a great deal of confusion internationally. The absurdity is even recognized by the Swedish military and serious attempts to fix this are underway. My articles explain about the situation. I will do more efforts in explaining it further and add more information as the new system is being implemented.

Sergeant Major at Battalion, Brigade and Division level are responsible for the moral/administration/family matters/training of enlisted personnel and is the most senior officer in enlisted matters reporting to the respective commander. Holder of the rank of Kapten and Major have been seen as taking care of conscript personnel matters such as training/morale/administration at Swedish training centers and Head Quarters. The reason for this is the total abolishment of the NCO corps making all senior Non-Commissioned officers Kapten, Major and Overstelojtnant respectively. Fanrik and Lojtnant are basically junior NCOs. Thanks again :) --Malin Randstrom (talk) 03:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

German translation

thanks for helping out with the new Yoda (disambiguation) page. I saw on your userboxes that you work on translating pages into English. There are several pages on some of the Bach cantatas that are on the German wikipedia but not the English one. I created two new ones several months ago but they don't want me using babelfish translations. Would you mind fixing up the ones I did? They are listed on my userpage. Thanks--Ted-m (talk) 14:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Salisbury Club

I agree with your assessment, I've deleted the page as clearly a nn group. If there continues to be a problem, let me know. --Bobak (talk) 14:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Political Dweeb's reply

User:Political Dweeb here wants to explain to user:De728631 that I do not seem to be able to find any information to show the UCD has dissolved except that on way back machine after March 5th 2005 they stopped the existence of their website. Is it possible you could you give me some advice on what I should do about this?

Political Dweeb (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 11:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Tanoli Histry

The Tanolis(Taniwal or Tanawalis) (Urdu: تنولی ) are a prominent and famous Muslim Pashtun tribe residing mainly in Amb Hazara Division of the North-West Frontier Province Pakistan And Some Tanoli tribes still live in Gardaiz and Ghazni (both cities of Afghanistan

Tanubal River

They claim to have migrated from a place called "Tanubal River" in Afghanistan Some Tanoli tribes still live in Gardaiz and Ghazni (both cities of Afghanistan)Tanolis came to Swat from Afghanistan after the invasions of Sultan Sabuktagin They came to form a new state. The head of the Swat state at that time was Anwar Khan Tanoli. The Tanolis entered the North-West Frontier Province history from the early 13th century,

Richest tribe

Tanolis are the Richest tribe of Hazara in terms of land ownership. They are the largest in population. Upper Tanawal and Lower Tanawal which cover the greater part of Hazara have been ruled by Tanolis for centuries. They have ruled the state of Amb of Hazara since the beginning of 18th century. During the late 17th century, Turks were overthrown by Swatis in areas of Upper Hazara. Tanolis, however, remained loyal to the Turks until the end of latters rule in Hazara. The Yousafzai tribe came to Swat in approximately 1450 and began fighting with former Pushtun tribes of Afridi Tanoli Swati and Dilazak After several bloody battles between the Tanolis and the Yousafzais Tanoli Sultan Ameer Khan was martyred while fighting with Yousafzais at Topi near Swabi The Tanolis were pushed to the eastern bank of river Indus. Tanolis migrated to the Tanawal in 1472 and defeated the Rajputs and Rajas After gaining hold in the area the Tanoli jirga appointed Zabardast Khan as the head of the state Tanawal.

Tanoli Original Language is Pashto

Some Tanoli tribes still live in Gardaiz and Ghazni (both cities of Afghanistan

Original Tanolis was Pashto but some Tanoli Peshawar and pakistan hazara have forgotten it and now speak Urdu or Hindko in areas where the majority speaks this language.] living in Pashtun dominated areas speak Pashto and those living in others countries speak dominant language of those states e.g. English as this is a natural phenomenon. Hindko is an ancient language spoken in the Indian subcontinent. ... Pashto also known as Afghan, Pushto, Pashto, Pashtoe, Pashtu, and Pukhto) is the language spoken by the ethnic Afghan otherwise known as the Pashtun people who inhabit Afghanistan and the Western provinces of Pakistan.

Pashtun Origin

The most prominent theory is that the people who came to be known as "Tanolis" are identified as such due to their link with a particular geographical setting in which they found themselves (i.e. Tanawal State). Contemporary Tanolis are not a singular tribe but a collection of smaller groups which consists of those who call themselves Tanolis because they have resided in an area called Tanawal and those who are sub-groups, septs or clans of different Pashtun tribes representing major Afghan khels (sub tribes) in the State of Tanawal. Many other Tanoli clans have argued the theories of their origins. For example the Hassanals have always maintained that they are actually Hassanzais from the Kala Dhaka or Black Mountains - Tur ghar and adopted the nomenclature of the Tanoli area when they left their own areas, due to tribal feuds with other clans located there. The fact that there was also a non-Hassanzai group with that name did not matter as there are many sub-tribal names which are identical but with different tribal affiliations. This also seems quite plausible given the fact that Tanolis in ;; Agror Valley, Mansehra[[and the surroundings speak Pashto as their first language if not exclusively. This is documented in the first Hazara Gazetteer written soon after the settlement of Hazara by Captain James Abbott. This book also mentions the fact that the original language of the Tanolis was Pashto but some have forgotten it and now speak Hindko in areas where the majority speaks this language. Tanoli clan names do not all follow the Pashtun style, such as end with khel or zai. Considering the case of Afridis, Mohmands, Waziris as prominent Pashtun tribes, who also don't follow this practice the case of Tanoli tribe is not unusual. Recently some Tanolis clans such as Mamakhel use the typical khel ending in their branch. Thus there is no justification for rejecting Tanolis as Pakhtuns. It would seem that there are among the Tanolis a great majority who have Pashtun heritage but there are also those who call themselves Tanolis because the area is more important for their identity than a Pashtun one - Swatis are another Pashtun tribe named after their abode prior to their settlement in Hazara. The majority still would back a Pashtun label as an ethnic identity. Erroneous assertions have been made in the past in relation to other Pashtun tribes when dubious links were made between Rajput and Pashtun tribal names by Sir Alexander Cunningham, author of the History of the Sikhs, when he noticed some similarity between Rajput clan/caste names and Pashtun tribal appendages. (See Swatis.) It must also be noted that Dr Sher Bahadur Khan comments that the Tanawalis consist of various Afghan tribes though majority are from different branches of Yusufzais including the Hassanzais of Tur Ghar (Black Mountains). Also a small minority of 'Tanolis' residing in Tanawal, have their origin in the eastern edges of Hazara, in the Galliats, where some of the leading families claim Abbasid ancestry.

Barlas Mugal Theory

Another, but less probable, theory is of the Barlas Mugal origin. It is said that they were settled in the region of Tanawal and established their Jirgas and evicted tribes that were already settled there. Over time they intermarried with other Pashtun and Turkic tribes hence and settled in the region. It is cited, but without proof, that Nawabzada Salahudeen Saeed has aso mentioned of the possibility of this descent. If true this would lends strong credibility to this theory and thus confirm that the first family of Amb are Mughals and not Pathans in origin. But it is well evidenced from an article in the Herald International, and other sources, that he has confirmed, along with other leading members of the Nwab family, that they are Afghans and thus it is accepted the authentic Tanawalis are Pakhtuns. In summary, it can be said that the given that Mughals, Turks and Pashtuns are related to each other throughout the former Afghanistan, which includes its eastern province i.e. present day North West Frontier Province of Pakistan, it can be safely asserted that the majority culture and bloodline is Afghan and therefore the Tanawalis are by their own traditions, and by definition of their Pashtun neighbours, such as Swatis, Jaduns, and other Black Mountain tribes {Hassanzais, Maddakhel and Akkazais)considered to be authentic Pashtuns - see references of historical works by Tanawalis and other Afghan writers below.

Tanoli Taniwal or Tanawalis Famous Personalities

Sardar Zabardast Khan/ Suba Khan Tanoli

In AD 1752 the Tanoli Chief Sardaar Zabardast Khan allied with fellow Afghan, and King of AfghnistanAhmed Shah Abdali, in his conquest of India. His renown was such, that he gained the title of Suba Khan from Ahmed Shah Abdali for his bravery in the historical battle against the Marathas at Panipat, where two hundred and fifty thousand strong army of Marathas were famously defeated by just sixty thousand of Abdali's soldiers and allied Muslim tribes. His later grandson, Mir Nawab Khan saw the Durrani empire crumbling and defeated the Durranis, thus freeing his kingdom of their control, however, in this battle he was killed by Sardaar Azim Khan.

Mir Sar-Buland Khan

During the Governorship of the Sikh general Hari Singh Nalwa, Mir Sar-Buland Khan Tanoli, was very rebellious towards him. He allied with Mir Painda Khan and Muhammad Khan Tareen as well as chiefs of the Pakhtun Jadun tribes against them. Whilst engaged in one battle, Hari Singh Nalwa shot dead his son Sher Muhammad Khan. He continued his rebellion regardless and unrelented in his repeat incursions against them, though without success against the militarily superior opposition. At one point, he and Mir Painda Khan besieged and conquered Darband fort from the Sikh chief Sardar Gordat Singh.

Mir Painda Khan

Mir Painda Khan is famed for his staunch rebellion against Maharaja Ranjit Singh's Governors of Hazara. He was the son of Mir Nawab Khan, who defeated the Durranis and freed his kingdom from their influence.

From about 1813, he spent a life long rebellion against the Sikhs, who, realising the potential of his rebellion, set up forts at strategic locations to keep him in check. Hari Singh Nalwa took this initiative during his governorship. Painda Khan's relentless rebellion against the Sikh empire, cost him a major portion of his Kingdom, leaving only his twin capitals Amb and Darband. However, this deterred him less and appeared to increase his resistance against the Sikh government. The District Gazetteer of the North-West Frontier Province (p138) confirms, "Painda Khan, played a considerable part in the history of his time and vigorously opposed the Sikhs." Mir Painda Khan set the tone for the regional resistance against Sikh rule. Men who made the North-West Frontier (Charles Allen, Abacus 2001, p139) attests, "There was a long history of conflict between Jehandad Khan's family and the Sikhs, and the name of his father Painda Khan, was said to be 'magic to the ears of the people of Hazara' because of the struggles he fought on behalf of his 'poor circumscribed and rugged principality' against the Sikhs. Abbot was aware that before his death Painda Khan had made his son (Jehandad Khan) swear never to trust his safety to any ruler." Eventually, realising that the Heroic Tanoli Khan would not be subdued by force, General Dhaurikal Singh, commanding officer of the Sikh troops in Hazara, had Painda Khan poisoned to death in September 1844. He is still revered in Hazara today as a "Heroic Warrior King of the People". In 1828 Mir Painda Khan gifted the State of Phulra to his brother Mir Madad Khan.

Mir Jehandad Khan Tanoli

This Tanoli chief deserves special mention as the son of a famous Tanoli hero of Amb Darband Hazara, Mir Painda Khan. It is mentioned in Men who made the North-West Frontier (Charles Allen, Abacus 2001, p139) that "Of all the tribal chiefs of Hazara, the most powerful said to be Jehandad Khan of the Tanoli, whose land straddled both banks of the Indus and whose fellow-tribesmen were 'brave and hardy and accounted for the best swordsmen in Hazara'. There was a long history of conflict between Jehandad Khan's family and the Sikhs, and the name of his father Painda Khan, was said to be 'magic to the ears of the people of Hazara' because of the struggles he fought on behalf of his 'poor circumscribed and rugged principality' against the Sikhs. Abbot was aware that before his death Painda Khan had made his son (Jehandad Khan) swear never to trust his safety to any ruler." This was a strong testament to the physical, political power and heroic background of the House of Tanoli which continued throughout the history of the tribes ancestry. Mir Jehandad Khan is further mentioned in the same source as, "Jehandad Khan - a good looking young man of 26 years, tall and slender, with remarkably large and fine eyes - rode into Abbott's encampment surrounded by an escort of horsemen clad in shirts of mail and steel skull caps, handsomely mounted and equipped, who made a most picturesque display....the bystanders, who regarded the Chief with great awe, were thunderstruck.." In 1852, Jehandad Khan was summonsed by the President of the Board of Administration (who travelled to Hazara to see the Khan) in relation to a murder enquiry of two British civilians in his lands. It is mentioned in the above source (p203,p204) that "Jehan Dad Khan, the head of the Clan, and his minister Boostan Khan...knowing himself charged for his life, with the air of a prince sat down....answered all questions in an easy off hand way that looked very much like innocence. I was glad when the examination was over and the men let go, for they had a following of five or six hundred men, all stalwart fellows who had accompanied their Chief..." The President ended the talk by threatening him that, "If you refuse to give up the murderers...I will come with an army to burn your villages and give your country to another." It is said that the Khan replied, folding hands and with some fun replied with his elders, "We should consider your presence (in our kingdom) an honor, but our country is a 'rather difficult one' for your army." This famed statement was the talk of the day and remembered by many locals of Hazara even to this day as a heroic answer to a staunch threat from a powerful official. His son, Nawab Bahadur Sir Muhammed Akram Khan was conferred the title Nawab Bahadur by the British Raj.

Nawab Sir Muhammad Akram Khan

The next chief of the Tanolis and son of Mir Jahandad Khan was Nawab Sir Akram Khan (1868 - 1907). He was a popular chief and it was during his tenure that the fort at Shergarh was constructed, along with Dogah and Thakot. His rule was a peaceful time for Tanawal with no major conflicts.

Nawab Khanizaman khan

Nawab Khanizaman Khan succeeded his father in taking over the reins of power in Tanawal in Amb. He helped the British in carrying out the Black Mountain (Kala Dhaka/Tur Ghar)expeditions.

Malik Nawab Khan Tanoli

Malik Nawab Khan was a great personality of Lower Tanawal. He had his own small state Jarna in Abbottabad. Major Abbot mentioned him as a "Brave man" in his book written on Abbottabad. Malik Nawab Khan was a learned man and an able soldier. He was a strong religious man. He was the last chief of Tanoli Jirga. Malik Nawab Khan was among the fellow tribesmen of famous Mir Jehandad Khan.

Tanolis Today

The majority of Tanolis reside in the former state of Amb in the Hazara division of the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan. A branch of the Tanoli tribe also resides in Kashmir mainly in Muzaffarabad. The famous ancestral forefather of this Kashmiri branch was Amir Mir-ullah. Tanolis have a big area of territory called Upper Tanawal and Lower Tanawal. Upper Tanawal is considered as backward area and has its quota in Govt of Pakistan. Tanolis have their majority throughout Hazara Division Abbottabad, Haripur, Mansehra, Battagram, Kohistan. Tanolis are also living in some areas of Swabi, Nowshera, Rawalpindi, Gujar Khan and Sultanpur. A large number of Tanolis are also living in Karachi.

Their main language is Hindko. Tanolis living in Pashtun dominated areas speak Pushtu and those living in Punjab speak Punjabi and others living in others countries speak dominant language of those states e.g. English as this is a natural phenomenon.

Some Tanolis migrated to UK after the 2nd World War to help rebuild the war ravaged country. Tanolis are rich in culture values and strongly follow the customs of their Pakhtun ancestorsGazetteer of Hazara District 1883-4.

Famous Tanolis of Today

Some famous personalities of the Pakhtun Tanoli tribe in this modern era are:

Ayub Khan Tanoli

He was a lawyer and well-known politician. He remained as Minister of Law and Education NWFP. He belonged to Sherwan in Abbottabad.

Jamshed Khan Tanoli

Jamshed Khan Tanoli from Jarral served as Secretary of Education NWFP. During his service he was famous for his honesty throughout the province.

Nawabzadah Salahuddin Saeed Tanoli

He is grandson of Nawab Farid Khan, the last Nawab of Tanawal, and son of Muhammad Saeed Khan who passed away in 1974. The Nawabzadah has been elected to the National Assembly as an MNA for Mansehra NA15 from 1985 to 1999. He held important posts in the Federal Government as a cabinet minister and chairman of standing committees and travelled abroad as a representative of Pakistan, including the General Assembly of the United Nations.

References

Gazetteer of the Hazara District, 1883-4 (p38). Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North West Frontier Province H.A Rose, p255 & p256 Chiefs and Families of Note in Punjab by Lepel H.Griffin (1910, ii, p254) Gazetteer of the North-Western Frontier Province p138.

Gazeteer of Hazara District (1883/4). (p.61) History of the Sikhs by J.D. Cunnigham, (1849). Panjab Castes by Denzil Ibbetson, Delhi, p93. The Jaduns by Sultan Khan Jadun (2001). Tarikh-ul-Afghan ka Tehqiqi Jahiza by Sultan Khan Jadun (1979). Tairikh-e-Hazara by Dr Sher Bahadur Khan Panni.

Journal of Central Asia Vol XII, (July 1990), Prof. Ahmed Hasan Dani, July, 1990 p79.

Soldier Sahibs: The Men who made the North-Western Frontier by Charles Allen, Abacus 2001.