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You're on the indef list; unless I missed something, please tell me. But for now, I've indef'd this account. I have this page watched, so feel free to berate me for my potential wrongdoings ;-) (email also an option) Xavexgoem (talk) 22:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

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Hi there Peter, sorry about the inconvenience when it looks like you were told in private that you were allowed to edit again. could you elaborate a little on who actually said that? I'm trying to find someone to vouch for this so we can get you unblocked, but I need to know who to email. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Peter has been in discussion with a number of people including me. The last message I sent him said that I was waiting for feedback from FloNight, I think he got a little excited and jumped the gun. Thatcher 23:25, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I was just emailing Jimbo to see what was going on. I still wish that he would comment on it - at the end of the day it was still a Jimbo ban and it would be good to hear it from either him or ArbCom that he's officially unblocked. When Peter was creating new accounts, we heard that they should be left unblocked per ArbCom directive, but nobody officially said anything about it. It's sort of unfair to leave the admins that take action and Peter in limbo - an official word on the matter would be good. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

When his latest incarnation User:Americanlinguist was spotted, there was a quite funny thread at AN where admins refused to block him for a few days, until someone that had not read the thread blocked him. The only action taken until then had been WP:TROUTing him , see his post at WR lamenting that his strategy failed. Unfortunately, the search function sucks, and I can't locate the AN thread -.-

There is an informative post at WR , let's see if Jimbo makes a statement on-wiki. --Enric Naval (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I responded to an inquiry by Thatcher saying that I neither support nor oppose this. I should not be considered any obstacle in this situation. Apparently there is an agreement which resolves all the outstanding issues. I am hopeful for the future.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for the respone - saves me an email! Ryan Postlethwaite 23:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick :) --Enric Naval (talk) 23:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The AN thread is here, retrieved from there. Cenarium (Talk) 00:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

So, who gets to clean up after Xavexgoem on the ArbCom vote pages (asks an unpleased editor who was his first mentor, since I think caution should always be exercised before the block button is used, and I don't detect that there was any urgency here to block and delete Arb votes) ?? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I cleaned most of them up, so no problem. Bishonen and a few others took care of the rest before I could. I consider it my responsibility. Xavexgoem (talk) 23:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, X (perhaps my mentorship stuck after all :-)) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

But of course :-) Xavexgoem (talk) 23:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Could be caching problems on my end, but I still see a struck vote at least at Cool Hand Luke. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, what's the deal here? The fellow linked to a page that stated he was sitebanned per Jimbo Wales. So per WP:BAN I struck through. Totally in line with WP:BAN in that, and then Bishonen reverts me without discussion? Now it's well known that I'm perhaps the most vocal critic of Charles Matthews this site has had in the last year. Tell me what's up with this, because if it's per any sort of policy it's been very poorly handled. I'd like a straight answer. Because if one doesn't come quickly this is going to AN. Durova 23:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Goodness; Jimbo responded rather promptly above. Must everything be drama-mongered at AN? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Drama has nothing to do with it, Sandy. Policy does. And I'd take this to the same noticeboard as any other undiscussed post restoration by a sitebanned editor, unless a clear and prompt explanation is forthcoming by the editor who reverted me. If she wanted to avoid 'drama' she could have communicated. I'm not hard to find. I know I was within policy. Was she? Durova 00:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

When unnecessary drama hits, I unwatch. My concern was for X, since I mentored him when he was new and I was disappointed to see a block without consultation. I smell an unnecessary controversy and another rubbernecking incident at the Adminstrators' noticeboards. Adios. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

← There was no indication that what I was doing was incorrect - it was mostly a decision I made over at -en-ace (watching the votes come in) and being informed he was on the indef block list. It just appeared that the un-ban was to allow communication of the block, but voting seemed unlikely (may be hearsay; apologies in that event, but a lot of this is hearsay). I have made it known that I consider this my responsibility... or had, at any rate (I've reverted all the actions by now). I agree: unnecessary drama gets an unwatch. Apologies for bringing this about... I just think we're all on different pages here (but merging on the same story, I hope... I blame a general lack of communication. Sorry!) Xavexgoem (talk) 00:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Look, Sandy. Stop throwing the word 'drama' at me. I crossed through a post per policy. Got reverted without discussion. And so far as I can tell, that reversion was totally against policy. I have as much right as anybody else to take that to the admin boards. And I'm attempting to reduce what you term 'drama' by discussing it here first. But as far as I've been able to determine after the fact, this editor received a very limited unblock which by no means permitted election votes. Now if somebody wants to tell me otherwise, fine. It ends there. I want a straight answer, not rhetoric. Durova 00:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

• Could someone post a simple notice of whether or not this editor has been unbanned, and if so why and by whom? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 00:24, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Presumptively, until his main user pages are noted as unbanned, he is banned. This is a macabre reincarnation of the points I raised against Charles Matthews at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/SlrubensteinII: the rest of the community is not bound to defer to the 'in crowd' (however defined) about inexplicable decisions performed without communication. I'm still waiting for an explanation. Durova 00:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

There was nothing inappropriate about the block under the circumstances. Damian and I were discussing the matter and he got enthusiastic and jumped the gun. I am working on a formal statement but like everything else involving this user seems to be, it is complicated. Thatcher 00:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

So Thatcher, does he have standing to vote or doesn't he? If he does, I would have preferred the courtesy of restoring the post myself. Durova 00:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Since you only stroke one of the eleven votes that he made, I supose that people trying to clean the "premature block" mess must have not noticed that they should have asked you. I'd blame it on enthusiasm and not on disrespect towards you. --Enric Naval (talk) 01:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll take that on good faith. Regarding that particular candidate my striking of an oppose vote should have been unambiguously above reproach. Still, it's less a matter of personalities than of policy. If a vote goes up against a candidate and that vote is obviously coming from a sitebanned editor, shouldn't it be the normal for any editor in good standing to remove that vote? And if the situation is somehow ambiguous and has been poorly communicated, doesn't fall it upon those who'd restore that person's standing to (1) specify that standing to edit exists in the first place, and (2) communicate with the editors who acted per policy in good faith rather than reverting without explanation? The last thing I sought was drama; I acted in full belief that the edit was uncontroversial. And I am not pleased that surrounding uncommunicated circumstances were such that a fellow editor of SandyGeorgia's experience could mistake that action for 'drama'. Whoever's handling this dearly needs to get their house in order. Preferably before unblocking. Durova 01:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Frankly I don't care what you do with his votes. Who has more at stake in the Arbcom elections than a banned user seeking to be unbanned? Yet at the time he voted he was technically still banned, and see further the conditions I have imposed on remaining unblocked. I'm not a process wonk, do what you think the situation requires. Thatcher 02:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

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