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Permission for images

Hi Jayen, I find the documentation on what to do after obtaining permission for images confusing. Is this right: User talk:Esowteric/Archives/2008/November#Saira Elizabeth Luiza Shah image ? Cheers, EricT (talk) 13:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Re Safia Shah image: cheers. Will see if I've got the SEL Shah procedure right first, otherwise I might have two cock-ups on the go :) EricT (talk) 14:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, have just sent TS a grant form for SEL Shah image. Hopefully getting there after several botched attempts. As a newbie, what threw me was this: Wikipedia_talk:Example_requests_for_permission#No_mention_of_grant_form. Cheers, EricT (talk) 10:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

OTRS is pending, though there may be a delay -- 1500 pending images currently queued and only 25 OTRS volunteers. EricT (talk) 13:07, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, well :D ... on the other hand, if you've got spare time on your hands ... sounds like they could do with some help ;-) Cheers, Jayen466 13:31, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done Sorted, thanks. EricT (talk) 13:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

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Ross

That is an interesting exchange that you and jossi are having with Ross. I am tempted to paint a bulls eye on my butt and add my two cents. Maybe I can find the time, prolly not. Ross is doing what many here do, creating a fiction in his own mind and perpetrating it as truth here. The fiction he is creating and promoting is that somehow editors that subscribe to a minority belief system have free rein to influence Misplaced Pages articles. As if! No, it is the critics of those belief systems that are given free rein here. The project even has a name for it systemic bias.

Request for comment

Hi, I noticed that you have been involved in previous WP:SYNTH discussions at Misplaced Pages talk:No original research. Would you care to comment on the section Misplaced Pages talk:No original research#Insidious OR? Thank you. --Thermoproteus (talk) 11:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

osho talk.

hello jayen would you please comment as to your position regarding the comments in .. move to america again.. on the osho page. (Off2riorob (talk) 18:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC))

could you move to this? if not why not? although when he went to america his health was poor (he was never a 'well' person) the entry on health grounds was a simple deceit, the real purpose for going there was to build a utopian city in the desert. Osho as I know him probably could'nt have cared less about what was written on his entry paper he had his mind on spiritual matters. (Off2riorob (talk) 18:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC))

Whatever we write has to be based on a published view (see WP:V). Where published views vary, we should give the most significant views in proportion to their prominence in the most reliable sources (see Misplaced Pages:Rs#Scholarship and WP:NPOV). We can't enter our own conclusions in the article (WP:OR). Have a look at the policies I have linked for you here, and the source excerpts listed on the talk page. Cheers, Jayen466 19:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

ok I'm looking at that..i have no objection to you deleting this to keep your page tidy.

this is semiT standpoint... Osho entered America based on a false information and was found guilty of doing so, this is fact. The movement has their version of the story the authorities have another. There are also multiple sources that specifically question the motivation underlying the move to America and the means that were used to achieve it. This is relevant, notable, and there are multiple verifiable sources that deal with this..

here semiT agrees with my comment and mentions multiple verifiable sources..

and we can verify the utopian city part as that is what osho and his sannyasins immediately started to do. verifiaby in the same way that a man wanted to commit suicide so he does it . it is well published that ... as I have put it .. although when he went to america his health was poor (he was never a 'well' person) the entry on health grounds was a simple deceit, the real purpose for going there was to build a utopian city in the desert. Osho as I know him probably could'nt have cared less about what was written on his entry paper he had his mind on spiritual matters. do you disagree with this .. if not then we can source the multiple verifiable sources.. if you know what I mean. I actually like this stance and feel it takes nothing away from osho. can you agree with that simple deceit? (Off2riorob (talk) 19:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC))

It doesn't matter whether I agree or not. But there are sources saying that he was still adamant he would not go to the US a couple of weeks before he actually did go, much to the consternation of his aides, who really wanted him to go. The idea had been brought up before, and he had long resisted it. And Laxmi was still looking in India ... to me personally, her comment probably speaks to the heart of things: she failed to find a place, he got ill, and the initiative passed to Sheela. What is clear is he wanted a big commune. I don't think he cared where it was. Sheela promised him she could make it happen in the States. Jayen466 20:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

yes sheela was a big factor in the move to america .. you have quotes for this.

so you could agree with me his intention was a big commune and he did'nt care where it was ! I think he was nervous to go to america it was a big move but once they had got him on that plane it was a done deal. sheela promised him it would all be ok and he went with it..she imo and in the opinion of the local indian papers at the time was that she pushed it through to avoid paying tax.which they did avoid until their return when the local papers wrote that an agreement had been reached on the back tax. the visa story should have been sorted properly. I can only imsgine they were still thinking they could deal with it later like they had been used to the way in india. so the visa was the technicallity that they used when they wanted to get rid of him. 'that simple deceit' lets go with it? semiT's gonna like it! and thats all it was ..a simple visa irregularity.. hardly mass murder was it? (Off2riorob (talk) 20:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC))

The thing is, if you just want to write that it was "a case of simple deceit", then reliable sources have to be found that comment on the matter and use these or similar words to describe it. Jayen466 14:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Scientology

I've opened a request for arbitration and listed you as a named party. You may wish to make a statement. Best wishes, Durova 18:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)