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I don't have any problems with offensive language, as long as you don't call me a cunt. Call my edit a cunt - that's just fine. Too many people whine when they seem a word such as cunt, shit or fuck.

I do tend to delete messages when they are no longer relevant, so don't take offence if/when your message goes the way of the dodo

Your Fail

I loved the way you ended it!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Unctions Unit (talk • contribs) 11:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I do try hard. Sennen goroshi (talk) 13:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Boy racer article

I'm sorry for such a late reply; your note on my talk page appeared simultaneously as another note, so I overlooked it. I reverted your edit because it's grammatically incorrect by both British English and American English standards (tyress). You're also incorrect in your statement that we should use British English, since this is in no way a UK-only term or a phenomenon that appears only in the United Kingdom. Also, a simple test (-ize/-ise, -or/-our) shows there are in fact more instances of American than British English. Admiral Norton 15:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

hehe, yeah I guess tyress is pretty awful, I have edited that already. I also agree with you that it is not a UK only term, however I do think it is a term used in British English speaking nations - infact that article states "Boy racer is now a New Zealand, British and Irish colloquial term for a person, " - all of which are British English speaking nations. In the English speaking world, I thought that North Americans used the term "ricer" as opposed to the British English "boy racer" Sennen goroshi (talk) 15:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

You're correct about the American term and "ricer" seems to be as frequent as "boy racer" (Google: , ). While you're correct that "boy racer" is the British, New Zealand and Irish term, the article is not about the word, but about the subculture and its grammar and name should reflect this. Since it seems that the article was written in both British and American English, feel free to use whichever version you want, but I believe that the term "ricer" should be mentioned at least in the lead of the article. Admiral Norton 16:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree, ricer should be mentioned in the lead - however I don't consider ricer and boy racer to be one and the same - feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong, but I thought ricer came from the use of Japanese cars wherea Boy Racer is something different...Do you consider them to be the same, just with different cars, and different locations? Sennen goroshi (talk) 17:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, keep you waiting

Sennen, I'm sorry I keep you waiting long time. Administrators like order not truth. Sennen, you are right certainly, but they like peace. Why don't you be more carefully. The guy you know very very well learned from his failures. See User:Appleby. I appreciate to your contributions and many people who know the truth think so, too.

I don't like worthless edition war. Administrators recommend us going to Misplaced Pages:Mediation. Many Administrators are watching us. We have to resolve this problem and recover the order. Let's go to Misplaced Pages:Mediation about Woo Jang-choon. I call for Caspian Blue, too.--Bukubku (talk) 00:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Please, send me back your reply.--Bukubku (talk) 00:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Suggested essays

WP:TPW and WP:TPS. Orpheus (talk) 21:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you. Interesting reading.

Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles

I don't have much time to work on them, but if I were you I wouldn't insert "claim" all the time. Comfort women are pretty well documented, even if some may have been employed - note that payment doesn't equal consent. I wouldn't try to force it one way or the other. If you want to say that some were employed I would try to find some sources to back up that claim and not any from nationalist Japanese historians as that will just enrage other editors. John Smith's (talk) 12:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, as I said in my message to you - I lack tact. The term claim (and this is based on my opinion, not wikipedia guidelines) is that when something is reasonably disputed then I like to use that term. Perhaps it will enrage other editors, however no matter which nation other editors are from, wikipedia is not the place for their political agendas. I dislike the edits made by people (who are too young to remember WW2) that come from countries that were occupied by Japan, who use wikipedia as a soapbox to paint Japan in as bad a light as possible. People don't need to use emotional language, display the facts, make sure people know when they are theories and when they are proven facts, and let people decide by themselves. Sennen goroshi (talk) 05:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Policy

If you wish to discuss whether or not "happy" people should be allowed to express their joy on talk pages, you can discuss it with others at Misplaced Pages talk:Talk page guidelines. It's more than welcomed there.

It will not be tolerated at Talk:Lewis Hamilton, and further attempts to be a WP:DICK will be removed. The359 (talk) 19:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

I've blocked all three of you for edit-warring on Comfort women. If there's a good-faith edit dispute that can be solved among reasonable editors (once the abusive socks are out of the way) please try to get some mediation going or something. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I think to step back for a moment might make all of us concerned look less retarded. BTW, I am sending you an E-mail via wikipedia. Oh and of course I would like a solution for the comfort women article, there are strong feelings on all sides, and we need to get some form of compromise that we can all live with. Sennen goroshi (talk) 16:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Sennen goroshi (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I agree with the admin's decision to blocked the three editors in question - there were certainly signs of an impending edit-war and the blocks removed the threat of an immediate edit-war, however I would like to request that all three of us are unblocked, so that we can work constructively on the article in question, I would hope that after lifting the block all concerned would use the discussion page - in addition in this case, I see no difference between a 12 hour and a 48 hour block, my intentions towards improving the article will be the same, no matter how long/short the time span

Decline reason:

Sennen I think it is quite admirable that you see the value in the blocking admin's actions, and that you display good faith by suggesting that the three editors blocked (including yourself) are all unblocked so that you can all work constructively on the article in question. However on reviewing the pages of the other two editors I do not see the same intention or magnanimosity. Given therefore that you are not asking (quite rightly) for you to be the only one unblocked as an alternative, and given that you agree with the block, I must decline your request at this time. — --VS 11:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Not a problem, thanks for taking the time to have a look at my request. Sennen goroshi (talk) 13:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Lewis Hamilton article

Hello: I just checked in the OED, and it does not state that there is a neccesity to do from X to Y as opposed to to Y from X. But the more I think about it, the more that sounds plausible...I am going to swap it so it reads "emigrated to the UK from Grenada". Feel free to change it back to immigrate if you disagree, or think it reads better, but I think 'emigrate' is used more often as a verb, while 'immigrate' is found more in participle form. Thank you for pointing it out, though. Jomunro (talk) 23:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to clutter your talk page, but I just read the examples in the OED, and one is "In 1880, 96,000 persons emigrated from Ireland.", so I'm going to leave the page as it is for now. Sorry about that. Jomunro (talk) 23:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I was not sure to be honest, I was just going by what I had found online and to be honest, I think you are right emigrate sounds more natural - thanks Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Your comment

Your comment is considered as a personal attack, which is against the rules of Misplaced Pages.

If you want to talk about F1 then sure, lets talk about F1. Hamilton has broken multiple F1 rules this year, but only received a penalty for a few of them. The McLaren car is good due the fact that McLaren spied on Ferrari last year, and that's why they had a chance to create a better car. McLaren used most of their budget for Hamilton, and never paid attention to Kovalainen's wish; that's why they lost the team championship too.

Most of the British people are nice, but so far all Hamilton fans I've seen have always ignored facts and been similar to Hamilton; spoiled kids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.223.194 (talk) 13:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

No, my misinformed friend - my comment is not, was not and will not be considered to be a personal attack. But if you want to talk F1, then yes please... Hamilton is champion because he scored more points than anyone else, McLaren made the better car, because they are the better team. British team, British driver. If McLaren paid special attention to Hamilton, then good - because he is currently the best driver in F1, makes sense to look after him. Sennen goroshi (talk) 13:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense that McLaren is way behind Ferrari in championships; team ones. McLaren hasn't won one for quite many years.

http://www.rockyjay.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/03/1386821hamiltonf1.gif —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.245.231.167 (talk) 16:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

They have not won a constructors championship for 10 years, well not quite as bad as the 16 years that Ferrari went without winning a constructors championship, is it? Sennen goroshi (talk) 02:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

oh my, I thought we were talking about now, but sure, lets talk about the time when you didn't like girls (wait.. that's still so) and when you were eating your friend's pencil in school.

You missed the point; hamilton won with glock letting him pass, even thought mclaren focused 100% on him; other teams had way worse cars, way less focus on one driver, yet still they were better drivers and Massa (who's not even the best driver, Alonso is from the current ones) would've won if McLaren wouldn't have paid Glock.

And oh my? Massa still was kind enough to arrange Glock and his team out of the place so that they wouldn't get killed, while Hamilton is just saying "God is on my side like always" and sitting on the flag of UK. Face it, Hamilton is not a true champion, he's a spoiled kid.

I like your animated gif, that is funny !! however I do prefer this one http://i38.tinypic.com/34i1bnp.gif

Glock got overtaken because he had the wrong tyres on his car, if he had changed to the right tyres, he would have been behind Hamilton anyway.

Ferrari got so much assistance from the FIA this season, and even without the FIA on their side, they still couldn't produce a champion.

Face facts, Hamilton won because he got more points than anyone else, he is in the same league as Senna, Schumi, Prost, Fangio - your comments are now sounding a little like sour grapes. Sennen goroshi (talk) 14:16, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

RE:3RR

I'm sorry that the result wasn't what you hoped for. Also, I'd like to apologize for the lack of action; sadly, there are a lot of admins who see something that is touchy and refuse to be a part of it at the risk of tarnishing their image. I dislike it, but what can you do, eh? Anyway, cheers, and try to stay out of trouble! ;) Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 16:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Please give me your opinion.

Nice to meet you, Sennen goroshi. Please give me your opinion.

212.235.92.191 revert my edit for "rv Content POV fork, POV Pushing. Lack of neutrality". But I don't know whether this article is violation or not.--NAZONAZO (talk) 06:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Gwen Araujo

I'm afraid that you misunderstand Misplaced Pages policy. Any article is open to change at any time. That a badly-phrased sentence has stood for two years is neither there nor here, and it lends no credibility to it staying there.

I'm open to a rewording of the phrase to clarify that not all of those involved were convicted of murder, but the use of words other than "murder" creates a new NPOV issue, and that won't do. Rebecca (talk) 10:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

(More) Gwen Araujo

we both seem to be getting constantly reverted on the above article, for the record I do agree with your deletion of some of the more memorial style websites that are linked there.

I don't want to see anyone blocked over this, any suggestions on how to solve this little drama?

Sennen goroshi (talk) 14:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

User Rebecca seems emotionally attached to the topic, and, while she can be extremely stubborn when she wants, she has also proved herself capable of cooperative work in many instances. I wouldn't give up normal discussion at this time, but wouldn't also discard using some conflict resolution process if the matter doesn't progress in the next days. --Damiens.rf 14:42, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you check the article history again - I have not. I'm afraid that "but it was that way before!" has never been an accepted justification for keeping information in Misplaced Pages, especially where there are NPOV and BLP issues at play. If you want to claim that a particular wording has consensus, you need to actually demonstrate an affirmative consensus for that; that no one noticed it for however long never has and is not going to be actually accepted as grounds for not changing it. If that's your sole justification for the edits you've been making, then don't be surprised when they're always removed. Rebecca (talk) 03:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't see what there is to discuss. You oppose the labelling of the murder of a trans woman as such, despite guilty verdicts of murder against the perpetrators - I can only presume because you disagree with the verdict. I've stated several times that I'm okay with a different wording that makes clear that not everyone who was there that night was found guilty of murder (some manslaughter); all that's come from your side is straight reverts. Rebecca (talk) 03:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

You can presume what you like but assume good faith, if you are interested in my personal view I do not disagree with the verdict, her death was a disgusting act of homophobic violence. I do not agree with murder in the lead, it adds nothing to the article. We are going around in circles. Sennen goroshi (talk) 03:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The question is why you don't agree with it in the lead. The conventional description for a person who was killed, resulting in a verdict of murder, is to state that the person was murdered. You've failed to explain, despite repeated requests, why we should not use the actual legal language, beyond "I don't like it" and repeated reverts. As I said, in the absence of any other justification, this is inclined to lean one towards an assumption that personal bias must be behind the reverts. Rebecca (talk) 03:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I noticed your comments on User:Benjiboi's talk page. I'm a bit bemused as to why you find the genitalia of Milan so important; once again, since you utterly refuse to explain the matter, I am forced to the conclusion that you think it is relevant wherever a transsexual person is being discussed; a blatantly POV position. Rebecca (talk) 03:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

To my knowledge, I've violated 3RR on neither article. I find it ironic that you suggest I should "get back to the talk page", when you appear to be in no hurry to explain any of your repeated reverts, despite further requests for such here. Rebecca (talk) 03:40, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

In an article which is related to the gender or the sexuality of someone, I find what is between their legs to be totally relevant. The killer was reported to have commented on the fact that she had a penis. I don't see the problem with it, I don't consider pre-op to be derogatory, it is just factual - I imagine you have more experience in LGBT article than I do, so please educate me - there are so many terms related to this group, I never worked out if "queer" was an insult or not - how about pre-op? is this used as a derogatory term? Is that the reason behind your dislike of the term? To me there are huge differences between a man who dresses as a women, but once naked looks like a man, and a man who has undergone surgery to become as close to female as possible. Excuse my lack of tact, I am sure there are politically correct ways to ask the above, but I have just woken up, I don't do tact before at least 3 coffees. Sennen goroshi (talk) 03:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Queer is not an insult. Transsexual is not an insult. Deciding that the genital status of any transsexual person is of primary relevance (i.e. relevant enough to be placed in the lead section of a Misplaced Pages article) is offensive; since it wouldn't even occur to you or anyone else to add that information to an article on a non-trans person, the only purpose of adding that information to such a prominent place is to mark that person as other. This is plainly non-neutral, and I don't think that your stated interest in the genitalia of trans people should override Misplaced Pages's NPOV policies. Rebecca (talk) 03:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Rebecca, while I agree with your position, you know better than to edit war like this. There are many better options like a request for comment or a third opinion. Sennen goroshi, on an encyclopedia anyone can edit at any time an argument that a statement has "existed for two years" isn't valid. Also, breaking 3R involves four reversions in a 24 hour period. Rebecca has made three on each article in addition to edits that aren't reverts, the same as you. That being said, you should both probably be blocked for edit warring. AniMate 03:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I have little tolerance for BLP violations, especially in the face of repeated refusals to actually discuss the substantive issues. This is not going to change anytime soon. If the user concerned chooses to actually discuss his edits instead of merely repeatedly reverting them in, I"m all ears. Rebecca (talk) 04:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Murder_of_Gwen_Araujo&diff=prev&oldid=252086042 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Murder_of_Gwen_Araujo&diff=prev&oldid=252085461 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Murder_of_Gwen_Araujo&diff=prev&oldid=252085180 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Murder_of_Gwen_Araujo&diff=prev&oldid=252060907

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Murder_of_Gwen_Araujo&diff=prev&oldid=252060907 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Murder_of_Amanda_Milan&diff=prev&oldid=252084810 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Murder_of_Amanda_Milan&diff=prev&oldid=252060520 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Murder_of_Amanda_Milan&diff=prev&oldid=252030561

They all seem to be reverts to me. They are reverting the article to a previous state.

Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow that's really hard to read. Still two of the reverts on Gwen Araujo could and probably should be considered one revert (the second and third she did at the same time). It's a technicality, though one I think most admins would agree with. AniMate 04:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It is a technicality, but still a revert - either way, I think admins would see her recent block, see obvious edit-waring see either 2x4 reverts, or 1x4 reverts and 1x3 reverts and she would get blocked. 3RR is a pain at times, but it is there for a reason, and just because you really dislike someones edit, you cant ignore it. Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it's insightful that you're concentrating on attempting to get me blocked rather than answering any of the questions I've put to you above about why exactly you keep reverting. I made three reverts of your edits on both articles; I also made a couple of additional edits, one of which reinstated some content that was removed without discussion and shouldn't have been by another editor some days ago. Rebecca (talk) 05:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

If I was concentrating on getting you blocked, then why would the diffs be on my talk page? surely if I wanted you blocked then in the same time it took me to put the diffs here, I could have put them on the 3RR report page instead. Those diffs are all from a 24 hour period - reinstating removed information unless it is clear vandalism is still a revert. Don't worry about it, there is no report, because I see your edits as good faith edits, I don't agree with them, but I am sure you are doing what you consider to be right. However if this pattern is repeated in the future I probably will make a 3RR report. I don't understand why you are complaining, if someone had seen me break 3RR and told me they were not reporting me, I would be smiling right now. Sennen goroshi (talk) 05:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Page moves

There isn't a blanket rule that people who are notable primarily because of their death should always be moved to "Murder of (Person)" instead of just "(Person)". It really depends on the individual. In some cases, such a move is fine, but people such as Matthew Shepard and Brandon Teena are sufficiently well-known household names that they really do require a much broader consensus to support a move. If you'd like to submit them to RFC for wider consideration, be my guest, but a consensus of just one or two people really isn't sufficient. Bearcat (talk) 07:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

No worries. It would be best, in cases where the murder victim is particularly famous in their own right, to individually nominate them for moves, citing prior discussion as a potential precedent, rather than just blanket-moving everything. In some cases, such a move is certainly a no-brainer, but it's a bit trickier in really famous cases and should probably be discussed individually :-) Bearcat (talk) 07:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I would just like to say thanks for not trashing all the work I put in the Korean Prostitution article like some other asshole did on both the article and my user pages.

I am serious about my contributions and actually did a lot of research on them. Academic rather than hands on, if you know what I mean. If you have any suggestions, please feel free to make your point.

I had one question. I saw there was another article on Prostitution on North Korean that is basically empty. Is it a bad idea to combine them?

Obviously the two countries share the same historic context. I am just not sure how others will react or how to do that.

Regards. (Occidentalist (talk) 16:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC))

In my opinion combining the two would be a great idea, probably best to suggest it on the talk page first, but I can't see why not. Sennen goroshi (talk) 03:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to play dumb but how can I combine or move articles? I see a link called move at the top of the page, can anyone just do that? I don't know how to combine. Thank you. (Occidentalist (talk) 10:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)).

I have never combined an article before, I don't know if this is the correct way, but I would create a new article, cut and paste everything required into the new article, then I change the existing articles into redirects to the new article. As for moving, just click the move button at the top, but if the article has been protected from being moved, you might have to ask the admin who protected it to move it for you, or to remove the protection. For more complex moves, I think there is a request page. Sennen goroshi (talk) 14:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

3RR rule and harassment on Korean Cuisine and its discussion page

Please discuss the edit with civility or I will suggest a block from another admin. I would openly discuss the issue as I have had in the past, but you are being hostile, please refrain from hostility.--Chef Tanner (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

While I appreciate you unblocking me, I feel the need to retort with - if you block me or any other user in circumstances similar to those in which you blocked me, I will suggest that your admin status is removed immediately. I was blocked for 3RR (for making 2 edits in a 24 hour period), I was blocked for incivility - I do not consider the use of the word bullshit when used to describe an article to be against any wikipedia guidelines.

I was blocked by you because you did not like my edits - not because of any breach of wikipedia rules - that is far worse than any edit-war.

I have total respect for you as an editor, but I am finding it hard to have the same feelings for you as an admin.

Take this as an insult, take this as constructive criticism, take this as me being pissed off about an admin who abused their admin powers to settle a content dispute - your choice.

This will not however stop me from working constructively with you in the future, wikipedia is bigger than both of us.

As it stands, I think I have made my view on this incident very clear, and I know consider this situation resolved.

Sennen goroshi (talk) 03:06, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

A good attempt at manipulating my words and actions, in the end it really does not matter to me all that much. I was just looking out for the best interest of Misplaced Pages, you made an argument and I relinquished in favor of being professional. Please follow the conforms of the issue that you have been addressing on the article, as well please be civil, I should have been more clear but it was the lack of civility that set me to finally block you, as you have a history of blocks for incivility, not just in this instance. Feel free to continue editing in a professional and educated manner sir.--Chef Tanner (talk) 03:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not mean to manipulate your words, I may however be guilty of making assumptions regarding your motives. I did not see any edit-waring issues, neither did I see any civility issues. To be honest I use words such as "bullshit" or "fucking" while editing wikipedia, I have had people complain about this, I have also had admins confirm that the use of these words are not in breach of any wikipedia rule, unless used as an insult. This may be a point that you and I will have to agree to disagree on. I don't mean to push this and argue, but I had to check my block history, and I seem to have 4 prior blocks - 3 for edit-waring/3RR and 1 for not adhering to a rule that an admin had placed on Caspian Blue and myself - but none for incivility. But none of the above seem like major issues, and I see no reason there should be problems in the future. Oh and, you come across are any specific guidelines regarding the use of profane language in wikipedia (in the manner that I use such language) then please point them out to me, wikipedia is a minefield of rules, guidelines and essays - I have read about 3% of them. thanks Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I will agree to disagree on the civility of words; I was brought up a conservative Roman Catholic. I may occasionally curse among friends, but find cursing in public to be incredibly insulting. My students are required to keep a level of civility in my classes, I would hope we could keep the same thing here where they come and visit often to see where I "work" outside of classes to educate the masses. Although there may be no rule on specific words on Misplaced Pages, we should all work towards being civil on here as we would in person, but many adhere to a variety of increasingly liberal cultural self-regulation as the years continue which saddens me.--Chef Tanner (talk) 04:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

we are obviously very different people, while I find it hard to respect people who cannot communicate without resorting to profanity, I do not get offended when people use that language in a day to day setting. In a professional environment formal language should be used of course. Life to me is about respect, in this situation there are two sides to that respect, 1. you respecting the fact that not everyone has the same values as you, 2. other editors respecting the fact that you find such language to be insulting - not only respecting that fact, but also acting on that knowledge. If you come across any profane language by me in articles unrelated to yourself, I hope you can overlook the profanity (not as an admin, but as someone who shares wikipedia with me) and of course I will refrain from offending you in any articles that you are involved in. For me this is a difficult and interesting issue - the right to act naturally and communicate in a manner you find natural VS the right to be in a public place (IRL or online) and not be insulted by others inconsiderate actions. At the end of the day I will support anyone being able to say anything, if someone wants to be highly racist and/or homophobic and voice their opinions, I might hate their opinions but I would not support anyone forcing their silence. Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): Autoblock on your IP address lifted. Request handled by: J.delanoyadds 03:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem :) I was monitoring the IRC unblock channel, irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia-en-unblock, so I saw your request almost as soon as you clicked "save page", and since you had already been unblocked directly, it was merely a matter of doing a Ctrl-F on Special:IPblocklist for your blocking admin's name to find the autoblock. J.delanoy_adds 03:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Look who's talking? Reflect yourself

You are always chasing my steps for making a fun. I already reported the newbie and Kuebie for 3RR violation. My warning to the newbie was to prevent further edit warring, but I rather got the hoax threats from him. Then you're trying to exploit it again. Woo Jang-choon, Yonsei and soooooo many and your appearance at the AN3 is not even surprising because of your usual behaviors. You're even threatening me with the absurd allegation again. Why don't you mind your own business. Your last block tells you that you're not way beyond from a qualified person to say like such threat. Behave yourself. I recently saw that a person who made an ANI report to WP:Harassment and threats his rivals results "indef.blocked", that would go to you. So behave yourself. Thank you. --Caspian blue 05:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

My last block should tell you that I was blocked, and then the admin undid the block - how would that say anything about how qualified I am to comment on your behaviour? Go edit some food articles, your constant and drawn out reports are wasting everyone's time.

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Sennen goroshi (talk) 05:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Use English since here is not Russian Misplaced Pages. The admin only unblocked you from his good faith, and he said he stands by his action according to his talk page because you're disruptive to Korean cuisine related articles for a long time. The 3RR report is not my behavior but you always chase me to enjoy yourself. You should realize your own reputation. Whatever article I edit, I'm very afraid that you would follow me with no reason just like the history so far. Remember your disruption at Hoe (dish).--Caspian blue 05:28, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

From an editor who has used korean in the past, I find it ironic that you complain about a foreign language. The reasons behind my unblocking are nothing to do with you, and were conducted via email, so draw whatever conclusions you wish - they are likely to be wrong. Before you talk about my reputation, take a look at your own block log.

ακριβώς επειδή ένα άτομο δεν έχει κανένα μάτι, δεν σημαίνει ότι δεν μπορεί να δει

Sennen goroshi (talk) 05:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, really? I might've contacted to Chris via Email. Yes, your block log is very impressive. So do not act like such unconstructive threat and do not do beyond yourself. I have used Korean sources for references, not to make such above personal attack in Greek.--Caspian blue 05:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Personal attack? huh? I see no personal attack.

But I am sorry, I should pay more attention to what you typed. Thanks for the warning about the possibility of being blocked for WP:Harassment - to be honest I don't know much about that page, but seeing as you were blocked for the harassment of the editor Amagase in the past, I should listen a little more because you have much more experience than I do, when it comes to being blocked for harassing another editor.

ποιος ξέρει ποιο κακό κρύβεται στην καρδιά των ατόμων; μόνο η σκιά ξέρει.

Sennen goroshi (talk) 05:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, your first block contains not only 3RR but also your disruptive comment like "Rape is a Surprise Sex". The duration of your block was much longer than usual 24 hours block. Besides, two editors who were in dispute with me reverted to "my edit" as telling the blocking admin that his claim is not right. Besides, your harassment history is much longer since you came to out your real life enemy to Misplaced Pages. That is a serious harassment. Therefore, how can I even compare your painful experience with me. Thank you for reminding me of your such "harassment incidents" There would be very scarce to find such one-month newbie who had been reported twice" in his first month for such harassing the victim. (even in real life!)--Caspian blue 05:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry, as much as I admire your ability to use English, I am finding it a little difficult to understand your English in the above comment. If it is important, could you rephrase it please? Sennen goroshi (talk) 06:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about my poor English, I just rephrased your harassment history clearly. Thanks.--Caspian blue 06:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't be sorry about your English, I only speak 3 languages.(well 4, but not very well) - and your English is about as good as my Japanese, which is my second language. Regarding my harassment history, I think my block log speaks for itself, I have never been blocked for harassment. Sennen goroshi (talk) 06:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. You would better contribute to Japanese Misplaced Pages in order to develop your Japanese; That would be great help for both Wikipedias. :) As far as I've known the victim who had endured such repeated harassment from you was a very generous person and you were very lucky. I applaud your "speaking ability" getting of the ordeal. Therefore, it would be much better to remind your "wonderful" history. As you know sockpuppeters whom you sided to attack me had no block record until they're indef.blocked. Life is filled with wonders.--Caspian blue 06:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

I have blocked you for a week for incivility, wikistalking, and harassment per this ANI thread. If you wish to contest the block, please use the {{unblock}} template. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 05:24, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Ice Cold, I have sent you an E-mail regarding this situation, please take a look if you have time. In addition, I will try to briefly outline my reasons for wanting to be unblocked using the unblock template.

Sennen goroshi (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

1. Civility - I have not personally attacked editors, I comment on edits and on patterns editors take, but not the editors. 2. Harassment/Stalking - I have checked the edits of editors who follow a certain pattern, and reverted them when necessary, this I consider to be good editing practice, I have not however gone to random edits of theirs and reverted without checking the edits first. Commenting on the behaviour of editors in articles/talk pages that I was previously uninvolved with - I also consider this to be a good practice, if I find behaviour which I feel to be unacceptable on one article, there is a good chance that the pattern is continued elsewhere, I tend to leave personal messages on talk pages when I find such behaviour, rather than templates or ANI reports - the editors I have been involved with are editors who I have shared articles with in the recent past and who follow certain editing/talk page patterns, warranting a check on their editing history and/or action where necessary

Decline reason:

My first superficial check of your past history suggested that maybe the blocking admin had been a little harsh with the application and term length of your block. As a dug a little deeper I found a very troubling and long term pattern of incivility and harassment. You have a tendency to be overbearing on talk pages, often accusing editors of policy breaches that you yourself make on almost a daily basis. You often go from congenial and polite to belligerent and obnoxious in the space of only a few minutes. These traits, combined with a not inconsiderable block history, make me unwilling to even consider a unblock at this time. — Trusilver 19:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

RE. Unblock. I would like to be able to edit ANI so that I can comment on my block. I find it a touch annoying that I was not linked to the report until after I had been blocked, therefore having no chance to comment on it. Sennen goroshi (talk) 08:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm reading through your past history and the circumstances surrounding the block, there is a lot of information here. Hang on for a while. Trusilver 18:39, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

please put this on ANI for me.

1. Civility - I made one comment on a users talk page in a semi-sandbox section that they made regarding dog meat, that I thought it was inhumane and that some of the edits are based on nationalistic motives. Yes this was a personal comment, but it was certainly not racist nor directed at anyone in particular. If you blocked every who ever made a comment conveying their personal opinion on a users talk page, wikipedia would have about 3 editors left.

Also I posted "LOL that made me laugh" on another users page, I really don't see any problem with that.

2. Harassment/Stalking - as I outlined in my unblock request, I have checked the edits of other editors and reverted when I saw the need. These are not random editors, these are editors who have brought themselves to my attention with their patterns of what I consider to be flawed edits. This is how wikipedia works, you make a dodgy edit, people revert you, check your edit history and see what other dodgy edits you have made, taking action when needed.

In short, I see no reason whatsoever for me deserving a one week block for a personal comment, a LOL and checking the edits of users who got my attention by their editing patterns.

my unblock request can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Sennen_goroshi#Blocked_2

Sennen goroshi (talk) 08:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Posted to the ANI discussion by Ice Cold Beer. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:01, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

unblock request

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): The user clearly understands why he was blocked and promised to shape up. Request handled by: Ice Cold Beer (talk) 14:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I've contacted the blocking admin for comment.  Sandstein  07:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Sennen goroshi (talk) 14:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Ice Cold Beer, I didn't see much wrong with my edits, but as previously stated my attitude tended to suck at times, feel free to keep an eye on my edits/comments and tell me if there are any more issues. Sennen goroshi (talk) 16:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Do not change the Wiman of Gojoseon

This is strictly Korean history, you don't have any rights to revert my changes. I did revert the changes that made by Japanese & Chinese trolls.--Korsentry 05:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSentry (talk • contribs)

Hello, KoreanSentry and thanks for the message. While I appreciate feedback on any/all of my edits, I do not agree with you 100%. Your claim that I do not have the right to revert your edits, is not strictly correct - that is the great/awful thing about wikipedia, everyone has the right to edit (well apart from those who are blocked or banned) - while I understand you feel strongly about the article in question, you might wish to obtain some form of consensus, rather than simply telling people what you think they do and do not have the right to do - but hey, it's nice to meet you, have a wonderful day. Sennen goroshi (talk) 16:57, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

You should know we are dealing with ancient Korean monarch, Wiman of Gojoseon should be correct title, not Wei Man which is Chinese way of saying his name. You do once more, I'll be reporting your name to wiki management. --Korsentry 04:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

This is a controversial move. There are correct procedures for all editors to follow in such circumstances - this applies to you, just as it applies to me. Cut and Paste moves are not encouraged. I understand your edits are made in good faith, however not every editor agrees with your opinion, as I imagined you noticed by the amount of people reverting you. Perhaps you should follow the correct procedures, rather than turning this into a revert war. Sennen goroshi (talk) 16:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

3RR warning and civility

Per your previous request, I do not template you, but you reverted 3 times in just 3 hours. You also did seem to not read Misplaced Pages:TALK#Others' comments and Misplaced Pages:Canvass and WP:No personal attack. Please read them and be familiarized with the behavioral guidelines. No visit nor reply would be necessary since I take offense at your constant provocation. Regards.--Caspian blue 19:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)