Misplaced Pages

:In the news/Candidates - Misplaced Pages

Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.
< Misplaced Pages:In the news

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Tone (talk | contribs) at 21:33, 24 January 2009 (ITN candidates for January 24). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Revision as of 21:33, 24 January 2009 by Tone (talk | contribs) (ITN candidates for January 24)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)
Click here to nominate an item for In the news. In the news toolbox
Shortcuts

Purge this page to update the cache

This page provides editors a forum to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

Suggesting an item

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Start, find or modify a blurb directly in the light green box for that day's Current events. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable source.
  • Update an article linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under that day's ITN Candidates subheading, emboldening the link to the updated article.
    For standard entry styles, please see WP:In the news section on the Main Page/Style.
Joseph AounJoseph Aoun Ongoing: Recent deaths:

view - page history - related changes - Edit (admins only)

There are criteria guiding the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:In the news section on the Main Page will not be put into the live template.


Sample candidate discussion

It doesn't seem to have any references for the new content. --They've also signed their comment 12:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and added some citations. It should be ready now. --User's Name 12:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Looks good. Posted. --Responding administrator 12:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

And so on. When continuing the discussion please refrain from using dot points/bullets to allow the candidates to stand out from the discussion. Indent your comments for clarity.

Please refrain from straight support or oppose votes; focus the discussion on the merits of the available candidate items.

Creating a new day header

Use the following box to create a new day at Portal:Current events. Follow the instructions in the editing pane to create a new day under the Suggestions header.


Template:In the news/Next update/Time

Discussions of items older than seven days are automatically archived

February–March 2005April 2005May 2005June 2005July 2005August 2005September 2005October 2005November 2005December 2005January 2006February 2006March 2006April 2006May 2006June 2006July 2006August 2006September 2006October 2006November 2006December 2006January 2007February 2007March 2007April 2007May 2007June 2007July 2007August 2007September 2007October 2007November 2007December 2007January 2008February 2008March 2008April 2008May 2008June 2008July 2008August 2008September 2008October 2008November 2008December 2008January 2009February 2009March 2009April 2009May 2009June 2009July 2009August 2009September 2009October 2009November 2009December 2009January 2010February 2010March 2010April 2010May 2010June 2010July 2010August 2010September 2010October 2010November 2010December 2010January 2011February 2011March 2011April 2011May 2011June 2011July 2011August 2011September 2011October 2011November 2011December 2011January 2012February 2012March 2012April 2012May 2012June 2012July 2012August 2012September 2012October 2012November 2012December 2012January 2013February 2013March 2013April 2013May 2013June 2013July 2013August 2013September 2013October 2013November 2013December 2013January 2014February 2014March 2014April 2014May 2014June 2014July 2014August 2014September 2014October 2014November 2014December 2014January 2015February 2015March 2015April 2015May 2015June 2015July 2015August 2015September 2015October 2015November 2015December 2015January 2016February 2016March 2016April 2016May 2016June 2016July 2016August 2016September 2016October 2016November 2016December 2016January 2017February 2017March 2017April 2017May 2017June 2017July 2017August 2017September 2017October 2017November 2017December 2017January 2018February 2018March 2018April 2018May 2018June 2018July 2018August 2018September 2018October 2018November 2018December 2018January 2019February 2019March 2019April 2019May 2019June 2019July 2019August 2019September 2019October 2019November 2019December 2019January 2020February 2020March 2020April 2020May 2020June 2020July 2020August 2020September 2020October 2020November 2020December 2020January 2021February 2021March 2021April 2021May 2021June 2021July 2021August 2021September 2021October 2021November 2021December 2021January 2022February 2022March 2022April 2022May 2022June 2022July 2022August 2022September 2022October 2022November 2022December 2022January 2023February 2023March 2023April 2023May 2023June 2023July 2023August 2023September 2023October 2023November 2023December 2023January 2024February 2024March 2024April 2024May 2024June 2024July 2024August 2024September 2024October 2024November 2024December 2024January 2025

Suggestions

January 24

January 24, 2009 (2009-01-24) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for January 24

Benedict XVI
Benedict XVI
I am not against the news to be posted on ITN, but the article really should have more information added to it before it should go up on ITN. There is only 1 sentence at the bottom of the article with 1 ref. The purpose of ITN is to invite everyone in updating old articles elaborately. If it is a new articles it should carry at least enough text to give the reader an idea of what the event is about. I think we should wait for the article to expand a little more. Sadly, I do not understand much of the subject area so cannot do it. --GPPande 15:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
There will be updates, as the decision is very, very important. --Hapsala (talk) 15:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I've made some additional updates to the article. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


  • Nominate "A European windstorm strikes Spain and France, killing 12 people". We post all atlantic hurricanes so i think this deserves to go up on ITN. this news is being covered internationally and effects multiple countries.Ashishg55 (talk) 21:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
We need an article first... --Tone 21:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

January 23

January 23, 2009 (2009-01-23) (Friday)

ITN candidates for January 23

Posting. --Tone 20:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Posting. Spencer 20:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
At Dendermonde nursery attack. Spencer 14:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Wording: Three people are stabbed to death and ten more are injured after an attack at a crèche in Dendermonde, Belgium.
Going to post, article looks good now. Spencer 15:47, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
  • How about Norway? Would it feature on ITN? I imagine two consecutive shootings might be a bit much but I'll do Norway as well if it's needed. --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 15:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Norway actually appears to be a domestic dispute gone bad...the girlfriend, a student-teacher, was shot in the school parking lot. Not really notable, IMO. Spencer 15:13, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
OK. Belgium jumps at me more anyway. --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 16:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Just make sure that there are the same numbers in the ITN as in the article (at the moment, ITN says 4 dead and article 3). --Tone 16:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
The foreign language sources appear to be contradicting each other. A person fluent in all of Flemish, French and German might be useful. --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 16:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Wording changed to: "At least three..." Spencer 16:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
A question about international significance has been raised on the talkpage about this one. I suggest removing it, we have two more appropriate ITN items today, Nkuda and the satellite that I am going to post now. --Tone 20:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually it seems to be rather balanced if not in favour of inclusion in my view. It's managed to reach Australia... --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 20:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Hm, no opinion on this one, really. Any admin can put it back on. --Tone 21:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Nomination: The number of unique internet users in a single month reach 1 billion for December 2008.
This is the first time in internet history that 1 billion unique users have used it in a single month. Source of the news, comScore, is reliable. Feel free to alter the blurb. Article has been updated. --GPPande 15:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd support but perhaps a minor change with the link to highlight the change rather than the internet? The number of unique internet users in a single month reaches 1 billion for December 2008. --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 18:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

January 22

January 22, 2009 (2009-01-22) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for January 22

  • Iceland protests maybe? There's a decent percentage of the population protesting. Though use of tear gas should not go to ITN. --Tone 15:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah they are significant protests, 1-2% of the total population (that would be like 3-6 million people in the USA). Use of tear gas for the first time is highlighted by all news sources as a significant escalation, but I am ok with rewording. I think this is straight up ITN item, as the protests have escalated progressively, have gone on for three days, and are not expected to end anytime soon.--Cerejota (talk) 15:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I'll post, but I find the wording in P:CE rather poor. Can someone suggest better wording? Spencer 20:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Early election has been called today . When the articles are updated, this should go up. --Tone 16:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

January 21

January 21, 2009 (2009-01-21) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for January 21

Comment: This has been ongoing for some time and has resulted from some dodgy loans and at least four resignations, all of which are covered in the article. The President signing what has been described as "emergency" legislation just this afternoon makes it all the more symbolic in my opinion, showing the seriousness of the situation and the damage that has been done to the country's banking system in the past few weeks. --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 19:17, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
The article is in good condition and if I see correctly, this is one of the biggest banks in the country? Support, but maybe without the photo, the president isn't really the focus here. --Tone 21:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
It is. OK, just thought I'd put it there in case anyone wanted to take the focus off Obama a bit. --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 21:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Posting. We need another item. Spencer 03:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Comment: this is very internal Irish centric news. Are you sure that it is notable enough for the main page instead of the GM takeover and Guantanamo halt?--Avala (talk) 20:20, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Though its a more marginal news item, it has a good update to it. In addition, no article (or update in an article) apparently exists for the GM/Toyota item, and the Guantanamo item will be posted when the prison is actually closed. Spencer 00:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
How big is this item? Are Irish banks as big as, say, British banks? –Howard the Duck 11:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
According to Candlewicke (above), Anglo Irish Bank is one of the largest in the country. Spencer 14:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Anglo-Irish is actually quite small. It only employs 1500 people according to its article, whilst UK banks are much bigger. RBS and Barclays both employ 150,000 and a very large proportion of HSBC's 300,000 workforce are likely to employed in the UK --Daviessimo (talk) 16:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Comment: Surely the confirmed nationalisation of any bank is more relevant than the proposed closure of a facility? If it closes I would not object but a proposal to shut it down? There's always the slightest outside possibility that it may never shut, or at least not just yet. That and having two consecutive Obama ITNs? Anglo-Irish may be "quite small" to some people but how does one compare two countries whose population difference runs into many millions? The bank has been regularly mentioned by the media in the same breath as the country's other two large banks - Allied Irish Bank and Bank of Ireland. Whether it is important is not so much the matter at hand - it is the fact that a government felt it was such to take action. The bank's importance is a topic for debate but the point is that the action has been taken by a country's government to nationalise a bank at an extremely quick pace - it was due to simply be recapitalised one week ago. Something prompted drastic action in that period. Whether it was the correct decision is not for us to decide; we can debate the matter but the fact is it has happened. --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 18:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

This demonstrates my point of the (ex-)Commonwealth bias. If this were American this won't make it. –Howard the Duck 02:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Well actually several American banks (and insurance companies) did make it to ITN, however, everything is reletive. Yes, by US standards Anglo-Irish is small, but given that Ireland has a population of less than 5m which makes it less than 1/60th the size of the US it naturally follows that their banks will be smaller. Also whats your anti-commonwealth/UK/Ireland/Europe agenda. Where is this bias you talk of? You want to talk about bias how much US presidential coverage was on ITN? --Daviessimo (talk) 16:00, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
US presidential coverage was everywhere, even our local media got on the Obama bandwagon, hence its prominence at ITN was, lemme say, proportional to its coverage everywhere.\
To further illustrate the international importance of this item, see this illustration at the right.
Global music market in 2003.
That's the sizes of the music markets around the world, now of course this is not the same in the financial industry but it gives you an idea on the relative importance of the different nations (although Russia seems a lot smaller than it should be. Maybe because of rampant piracy, but that is for another day).
And where's the Republic of Ireland? The cute pink rectangle between U.S., UK and France. If you can't see it you'd have to click the thumb. –Howard the Duck 16:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I think this is high time people realize that ITN is not a place to discuss/showcase that one news from a country/region is more superior or worthy than other. This type of discussion along with nominations should stop. International importance, encyclopedic value, historical uniqueness(for any subject - sports/science/socio-politics/calamities, etc), impact on population(local or global) should be few points to be met without giving undue focus on certain topics. --GPPande 17:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
It's like this: If Miley Cyrus died on a plane crash at the border of Montana and Idaho, it'll probably won't make it. Now if a similar teen star from France had a plane crash at the border of Germany and Switzerland, it'll probably make it.
PS, there are further discussions at Template:In the news about the topic of internationalness. This and the knife-spree items are under discussion although probably they won't be removed. –Howard the Duck 18:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Is there anything for Toyota overtaking GM as the world largest vehicle producer. Personally I thought that they had done this several years ago but the Reuters story says otherwise. Its pretty noteworthy I'd say --Daviessimo (talk) 10:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Enough Obama for now, I'd say. Support when Guantanamo actually closes. --Tone 21:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Here, here. Agreed. The bank above was not included when there were discussions over its nationalisation, now it has officially taken place so its importance has increased. Guantanamo will get plenty of airing later if it does shut. --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 21:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

January 20

January 20, 2009 (2009-01-20) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for January 20

Barack Obama

Please be reminded that today's POTD is a portrait of Obama. Please consider holding off the use of another Obama photo on MainPage till after midnight UTC. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 14:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Please use P:CE when you post a news item along with the refline. Here we discuss the nomination. One star is enough to start a new topic. I have removed the excesses. Hope you don't mind. The article is poorly sourced and needs clean-up before it can up on ITN. --GPPande 15:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree. It needs more refs, and a little more meat in general. Spencer 15:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

(From Jan 17):

Please do not post until the article is written in the correct tense, and updated with the correct citations. Spencer 03:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Comment On the main page we have Obama as featured picture, Washington as featured article and Inaugaration day in OTD. Surely we have to be careful of US political overkill --Daviessimo (talk) 09:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Luckily, no Obama items in DYK :-) Well, since this is the news of the day, I say we let it be. Regarding the wording, I prefer mentioning just Obama since the alternative with Biden is rather long. But I am fine with the other one as well. --Tone 09:25, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
The Barack Obama "HOPE" poster is in the update queue for DYK... Lampman (talk) 13:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
... Obama Misplaced Pages ... (at least, tomorrow only the ITN post will remain on the Main page). --Tone 13:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

January 19

January 19, 2009 (2009-01-19) (Monday)

ITN candidates for January 19

I think the news is still evolving. Also, I am not sure if the legislative elections have any impact on the leadership of the country. BBC says that presidential elections are 15 months in future. Anyone knows the official government website showing results of El Salvador? I could not find one. --GPPande 15:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

January 18

January 18, 2009 (2009-01-18) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for January 18

Couple of things for today:

If the plane where nobody dies gets one then logic decrees the helicopter where at least one dies does too. --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 10:49, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Helicopters crash all the time in war zones. Commercial airlines landing on a water body are a little bit rarer. –Howard the Duck 11:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Ooops, wait. I thought the chopper crashed in Afghanistan. However, this doesn't diminish the fact the commercial aircraft landing on a water body is somewhat rare. –Howard the Duck 11:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Would you have the same opinion on avalanches in warzones? Seems a bit of an unusual extremity for the military to go to... --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 11:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually when was the last time an avalanche featured on ITN? --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 11:48, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Aren't avalanches common this time of the year (at least in the Northern Hemisphere)? Nevertheless, we list tropical cyclones even if the season is ongoing so... –Howard the Duck 12:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I should think an avalanche would be more of a novelty... --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 13:09, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Aren't they much more common? It inly becomes ITN material when a whole town is buried. I dunno about this case though; I'd rather pick the chopper crash. Or if the avalanche happened on a tropical place, then that's something. –Howard the Duck 16:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I thought you disagreed with the chopper crash? --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 16:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
If it was between the chopper crash vs. the avalanche I'd pick the chopper crash. –Howard the Duck 05:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
2009 Gabonese helicopter crash & 2009 Afghan avalanches are rather stubby right now and not ready to be showcased on MainPage. If there is international attention and a high-profile rescue mission (as with a lost submarine, perhaps), and the article(s) is(are) well expanded and updated to document these events, you might have a case for ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 18:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I have expanded 2009 Gabonese helicopter crash more now. Wording:
I hope this is suitable. Spencer 19:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I like the alt better. Posting. Spencer 02:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
YAY! Thank you! :) --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 02:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Hamas announces ceasefire to allow Israel to withdraw and to open borders, after...
Or something like it, preceeding the sentence, "Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert (pictured) declares a unilateral ceasefire in the conflict in Gaza." -SusanLesch (talk) 19:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

January 17

January 17, 2009 (2009-01-17) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for January 17

Swearing in, taking office, Presidential transition of Barack Obama? Yes, and this should be on ITN after things happen as planned on Inauguration Day. Concerts and parades? No, thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 15:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
What about the train ride and such.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Relative to getting a new POTUS, the rest seems rather unimportant. --PFHLai (talk) 02:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Obama is expected to take the oath of office around noon on Tuesday, I think that would be a good time to put it up. Something like:
Sure. Please be reminded to make sure that, before this item gets on MainPage, the article no longer uses the future tense for things that have already happened, and that everything is properly referenced, i.e. we'll have to wait till CNN, BBC, VOA, etc. to report the inauguration on their websites, and we have to cite them in the article as properly formatted footnotes. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 02:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

January 16

January 16, 2009 (2009-01-16) (Friday)

ITN candidates for January 16

The worm has become one of the worst outbreak on internet in recent times and is still spreading fast. The figures from outbreak during the first two week of Jan was alarming. Feel free to alter the blurb. I have expanded the article to 2x. --GPPande 14:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Only nine million PCs? Seems a tad small... --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 16:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
A major outbreak - affecting users across continents - major corporations across globe acting for protecting their networks and Microsoft taking swift action. Not a localized event. --GPPande 17:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I get you... I was just remarking that nine million seems quite small... you would think there would be more... like a few hundred million at least... --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 18:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I have added figure now in blurb which can remove confusion. Feel free to alter. --GPPande 19:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Posted. Spencer 20:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict

Apparently the fighting in Gaza has finished. Who won ? Surely we can't let this event slip off the in the news section ? Sean.hoyland - talk 03:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Why? It's been there for a month. The Cholera Epidemic in Zimbabwe has more victims and it didn't get as much coverage. Nor did the fighting in Sri Lanka. --Cdogsimmons (talk) 05:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
That's true...I suppose the potential global implications of what's happening in Gaza could be one argument....me, slinking away quietly. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

With so many people dying everyday, 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict should stay at the homepage. It is important news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.208.91.226 (talkcontribs)

It stayed for more time on ITN than it actually deserved. It is placed here and is enough for now. Lets move on. --GPPande 08:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
This item has become too old and stale on ITN. We can bring it back when there are significant changes to the status quo (and such changes are documented, with refs, in appropriately updated wikipages). Until then, we'll have other newer news items on ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 17:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
How about something original and exciting for a change such as the nationalisation of another bank? :P I've been humbly writing about it here for a number of months and have just completed the latest updates from last night and today. --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 21:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
You mean that "The Irish government nationalises Anglo Irish Bank."? Narayanese (talk) 19:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Exactly (well with a few more links). I wasn't expecting to be taken seriously but had I been that is just what I would have suggested.

ALT: "The Irish government nationalises its country's third largest financial insitution, Anglo Irish Bank." --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 00:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure the bank is really large enough to be notable. We've put up similar items twice, I recall. Once, for Iceland, all 3 main banks were nationalised, and the other time we put it up was when there were 4-5 banks at once, each larger than the Anglo Irish Bank. I'm afraid I'm going to have to oppose. I would suggest DYK, but it's already been there. Spencer 19:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

January 15

January 15, 2009 (2009-01-15) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for January 15

Rarely we see changes in ranks for this type of list in top 5 or 10. Ranks change every year but those are mostly beyond top 5 or 10 countries. Main article(by me) along with the list article(not by me) is updated. Feel free to alter the blurb. --GPPande 15:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Support. An important milestone in world history. Thue | talk 16:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Support Interesting and important story during a time of global economic crisis.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 19:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Posted, thanks --Stephen 22:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
It hasn't been updated on the world rankings list. Jolly Ω Janner 23:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
{{sofixit}} Spencer 01:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
How? Those are figures from the IMF, the World Bank and the CIA fact book, i.e. two or three highly trusted sources. I doubt anyone here has enough clout to get the IMF, the World Bank of the CIA to issue revised figures for us to use Nil Einne (talk) 18:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

WHY ? Why was this news removed without a single word of discussion? I have really started hating admins these days. A bunch of them seem not ready to talk a word and delete whatever they feel like doing, be it FAR or ITN. Really horrible!!!! --GPPande 08:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Comment The basis for China leapfrogging Germany is data released from within China. Surely we need a more reputable source to verify this (such as world bank or IMF) before we take this as true --Daviessimo (talk) 13:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
There is absolutely no need for discussion if the statement we're making on ITN is not supported by the article. The main page defers to articles, always, and if you can't reach a consensus in the article then you shouldn't have anything on the main page. Frankly, not being an admin myself I feel they generally do a decent job and I'm much more 'hating' those who propose headlines without making sure the articles are ready first (or at least mentioning if they're not) Nil Einne (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
The list article (for which the link is now removed in the blurb) was updated with China being third in rank. But it was quickly reverted and subsequently got buried down under newer edits. Check the history to see it. I did not update the list article further because it purely relies on three sources which would not be updating their own figures soon. So no point of making an exception for China. I agree to the current status of the ITN. The news is reliable because WB, IMF or CIA HB would never differ so drastically from China or any other top countries' self published figures. Now, my remark was not meant for admins here doing an exceptional job of keeping ITN rolling, but was meant for "the admins" who take "things in their own control" without even a small intimation - or - FYI kind of message why they did so. Edit summaries are not the right place to discuss individual opinions. I have seen this happen frequently with certain admins and so vented out. A right admin seeks community consensus rather enforcing his/her own free will. A proof of that is the admin who removed the news has not even bothered to explain his/her act. Clear lack of basic WP guideline. I would leave this discussion now as it is because this not an AN. --GPPande 19:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
There is also a major problem with the hook. It makes it seem as though it over took Germany yesterday. It should be something like "The IMF published data signaling that China's economy overtook Germany in 2008". Please remove this, it should be posted when the CIA, IMF or WB publish the data. Jolly Ω Janner 20:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose, please remove this immediately. Misplaced Pages's list of countries by GDP is made up of three reliable sources. None of them indicate that China is greater than Germany. I would support this if it was correct, but I'm afraid the source isn't reliable enough. Jolly Ω Janner 16:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Strong support Dozens of reliable mainstream sources have reported the new revised figures. It has also been covered by the World Bank. I, do however, agree that the list article should only be updated when IMF or World Bank issue new datasets.] 130.113.81.33 (talk) 23:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
But just because China have released these figures doesn't mean they are necessarily true. A reputable and neutral international organisation should first verify them and only then should the item be placed on ITN. China is essentially a semi-communist country and as such we should take very carefully any data they release. Misplaced Pages is not a news service and its job is not to 'report' news. Its job is to provide verifiable neutral information and as far as I'm concerned China releasing information and every news organisation reporting it doesn't make it verifiable. --Daviessimo (talk) 15:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
US Airways Flight 1549 in the Hudson River.
US Airways Flight 1549 in the Hudson River.

US Airways Flight 1549, flying from LaGuardia Airport, New York City to Charlotte/Douglas International Airport, Charlotte, North Carolina, carrying 146 passengers and 5 crew members, has crash landed in the Hudson River. Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 21:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Strong support. For obvious reasons, any commercial plane crash in New York City should be on here. Its the lead on BBC.com, reuters.com, ABC (Australia), CNN. Clearly there is international interest. Parler Vous (edits) 21:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Usually i would support a plane crash but this one hit a bunch of birds and everyone came out unharmed. Except US Airways losing a 100 million $ plane nothing much happened. So i do not support this plane crash. 99.237.101.160 (talk) 21:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Strong support As far as I'm aware, what happened here (and correct me if I'm wrong) is almost unprecedented in commercial aviation - a fully loaded jetliner making a successful landing on water. Personally I think that would be pretty noteworthy on it's own, even if you disregard the fact that it's a crash landing of a jetliner in the middle of one of the most densely populated areas on the planet. 87.115.87.175 (talk) 23:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Crashed into water in a single digit temperature. Pretty unusual there. Grsz 22:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Plane crashes aren't as uncommon as you think. I don't think the fact that happened in New York in the river makes it any extra notable. Plane crashes are over-reported news, because planes are supposed to be safe and everybody gets scared when they crash. Misplaced Pages shouldn't be like this. Jolly Ω Janner 23:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Support I don't really see why not. I recall other large plane crashes that have occurred, and the article looks nice. The wording needs some modifications though, it's not really that great. Spencer 23:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking the same thing, since more information is now available. How about "An Airbus A330, US Airways Flight 1549, flying from LaGuardia Airport, New York City to Charlotte/Douglas International Airport, makes an emergency landing in the Hudson River, following a bird strike with geese."
Do we really need the location? I was thinking of saying NYC to Charlotte, but it technically doesn't matter. I'm going to post this, there appears to be consensus. If someone wants to upload (and crop) the image and upload here, feel free. Spencer 01:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


Is there an article for this? Spencer 23:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I guess that would have to be Atmosphere of Mars, in particular the section on Methane. It should probably be updated to reflect the latest announcement though. Lampman (talk) 23:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd support this. Very enlightening and a distraction from all the economic talk. --➨♀♂Candlewicke S# :) 11:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

January 14

January 14, 2009 (2009-01-14) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for January 14

January 13

January 13, 2009 (2009-01-13) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for January 13

What wording do you suggest? Spencer 22:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
There are lots of ongoing wars and other events, I think we should let Israel/Gaza slip at the next update. --Stephen 01:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm unsure of the notability, perhaps a European ITN participant can fill me in. You may want to say "....Černý's satrical scuplture...". Spencer 22:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I doubt this will qualify as an ITN item. Since it's brand new, why not nominate it for DYK instead? Lampman (talk) 23:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't mind seeing this on ITN, but I wonder how "big" this is. I don't think this is "frontpgae materials" in newspapers around the world, except maybe in Brussels and Bulgaria. So I'd recommend DYK, too. It's already nominated at T:TDYK#Entropa, anyway. --PFHLai (talk) 22:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I was also considering it for DYK, I just figured I should try here first since it's a current event. If consensus here is not to use it for ITN, I can take it to DYK. Thanks, Politizer /contribs 00:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

January 12

January 12, 2009 (2009-01-12) (Monday)

ITN candidates for January 12

  • The portal space is still empty... Is there an article about ferry disaster in Indonesia? And Golden globes were handed out today, this is one of the biggest awards. However, due to many categories, it's hard to propose an adequate wording. --Tone 08:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Slumdog Millionaire is updated. It won 4 GG awards. --GPPande 08:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
At 66th Golden Globe Awards, the movie Slumdog Millionaire wins four awards and Kate Winslet two. Wining two acting awards is probably significant as well. John Adams (TV miniseries) also won four, maybe we should put this one as well. Or, an alternative is just 66th Golden Globe Awards ceremony takes place in Beverly Hills, California., with no winners featured. Though I am somehow inclined to have the Slumdog Millionaire in. Any other opinions? --Tone 10:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
How about – Slumdog Millionaire, Kate Winslet and John Adams win multiple Golden Globe Awards? --GPPande 12:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
How about: The 66th Golden Globe Awards takes place in Beverly Hills, California, with Slumdog Millionaire winning four awards including best picture - Personally I'd prefer only one winner mentioned. If slumdog millionaire won the most for a single film then that should go up. Having too many winners makes it very long and clumsy: --Daviessimo (talk) 15:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok, this is fine with me. Posting. --Tone 16:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
How about Kate Winslet winning both Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress? That seems pretty remarkable. –Howard the Duck 01:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't regard the Golden Globe Awards as being worthy of its inclusion here. It happens every year and it's just people getting awards. Not really news. Jolly Ω Janner 16:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

The Globes are not listed WP:Recurring items on ITN but I'd support its inclusion. –Howard the Duck 01:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Slumdog Millionaire director Danny Boyle

Proposing File:DannyBoyle08TIFF.jpg so Mr. Atta-Mills can have a break: The 66th Golden Globe Awards take place in Beverly Hills, California, with Slumdog Millionaire (director Danny Boyle pictured) winning four awards including Best Motion Picture—Drama.

Commons:File:DannyBoyle08TIFF.jpg says "cc-by-sa-2.0", but the source page at Flicker.com ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdcgraphics/3025796443/in/set-72157607247444523/ ) says "(C) All rights reserved". We need someone with an OTRS account to verify the copyright status of this image before it can be used on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 08:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 Done. Release of the Danny Boyle photo is verified. As an alternate image, may I suggest as well? howcheng {chat} 21:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay. If someone wants to flip the image (so it faces the text) and upload it here, that'd be great. I think the Boyle photo is better than the alt. Spencer 22:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 Done I concurred with Spencer's flipping. --Stephen 22:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, Howcheng, Spencer & Stephen. --PFHLai (talk) 02:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I think I'm done. Wording: Flooding in Fiji kills 8 people and displaces 6,000. Spencer 22:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Looks fine, I think you can post it. Maybe the ferry accident as well, interested in starting an article? --Tone 22:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay. The artivlr is at Teratai Prima, and I'll look into it later...I'm going to log off soon, and won't be able to get back for a bit. Ask gppande to see if he would like to. Spencer 22:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
I added the ferry, as I'm in favour of shorter articles getting developed by views off the MP. But if anyone strenuously disagrees, then just revert. --Stephen 22:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

January 11

January 11, 2009 (2009-01-11) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for January 11

January 10

January 10, 2009 (2009-01-10) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for January 10

January 9

January 9, 2009 (2009-01-09) (Friday)

ITN candidates for January 9

This looks like a good ITN item. I wonder if there is any good article on the topic. --Tone 13:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice. Recently India saw the greatest corporate scam in its history. Satyam Computer Services had inflated balance sheets of ₹7,000 crore (US$820 million). Do you think, if I made a quality update to the article, it would make it to ITN? --GPPande 14:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Looks big and it has some international consequences. In any case, it's good to have the article updated, ITN or not ;-) --Tone 14:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Satyam_Computer_Services#Accounting_scandal_of_2009 is updated along with Ramalinga Raju's article (which was severely vandalized on Wednesday when scam was opened). Yes, the scam has international importance as Satyam is listed not just on Indian stock exchange but also on NYSE and American investors of Satyam ADR have already initiated the legal case – not to mention Price Waterhouse Coopers' legal hassles. --GPPande 15:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Is using genetic screening in this way a new thing? I have the impression that we have had the technology to do such screening for some time. Perhaps the only news here that people are screening for that gene for the first time, which would make this just-another-gene-screening-process. Thue | talk 19:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I think the significance comes from the fact that using screening they were able to avoid passing on one of the most prevelant hereditary diseases in the world (breast cancer). The profound implications is that it will allows couples, where one of them has a family history of breast cancer, to screen embryos and prevent passing it on. But without an updated article its a non-starter --Daviessimo (talk) 20:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
The article in focus would be BRCA1, or maybe Predictive testing. However, I am not an expert on the topic therefore I leave the expansion to others. --Tone 21:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Looks ok to me. --Tone 21:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Posting. Spencer 22:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

January 8

January 8, 2009 (2009-01-08) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for January 8

Have fun with the stubby United Nations Security Council Resolution 1860 wikipage, Howard. Happy editing. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 15:31, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

January 7

January 7, 2009 (2009-01-07) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for January 7

How original suggestion turned into "Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes against Hamas in the area." See our detailed objection in January 3 title below. Over 300 civillians including over 130 children are dead by now, only yesterday 75 civillians had been killed, while only 4 Hamas gunmen had been killed. IDF claimed Hamas is the only target and they took cautions against civillians, then they bombed a UN School, which is reported to IDF as a school by UN, which resulted 40 deaths including children. High civillian casualties should be stressed immediately. Kasaalan (talk) 12:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Suggest a better wording then. --Tone 13:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes over city, statedly against Hamas, resulted with high civillian and children casualties. A better wording may be suggested since I am not native English speaker, yet high civillian casualties should be stressed. Near 2700 people are wounded, 670 are dead already, while over 300 of them are civillians and at least 130 them are 16 year old or smaller children. Source AP Kasaalan (talk) 01:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
It's war. There will be inevitable collateral damages. I'm not sure if it's such as good idea to bring up the children as this seems to be "sensationalizing" the news item. I've rewitten the line as:
Actually, I plagiarised (from Portal:Current events/2009 January 7.) --PFHLai (talk) 01:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually we shouldn't do play-by-play on ITN. Re-posting as
and moving the blurb to the bottom. --PFHLai (talk) 01:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, with respect (and I'm sure it's not your intention) this kind of sanitised, understated characterisation of what's happening is likely to bring shame on Misplaced Pages in many peoples eyes. 'Resume hostilities' hardly seems to be an appropriate description that mirrors the terms used by the majority of English language reliable sources around the world. I've seen what seemed to be more appropriate titles in this section given their due weight. This event is on everyone's TV screens after all and it still seems to be the headline on all channels given the ongoing developments. Just a thought. Sean.hoyland - talk 04:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, ITN doesn't report news, just highlighting new or well updated articles related to news..... with a factually correct sentence that doesn't require too much updating. I must say I am not 100% happy with the word "hostilities", though. Perhaps "resume fighting"? Or "resume combat"? I don't know. Suggestions are welcome. I'm putting in "resume fighting" for now. I hope it's not too "chatty". --PFHLai (talk) 06:19, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I think After a six-month ceasefire, Israeli and Hamas forces resume hostilities in Gaza is exactly the kind of undramatic and NPOV kind of wording that an encyclopedia should be using and commend the author/s. --Dweller (talk) 08:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope you're okay with the change from "hostilities" to "fighting". It's more than "staring, angrily pointing fingers and screaming at each other," eh! --PFHLai (talk) 13:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
  1. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/4292334/Royal-Bank-of-Scotland-driven-to-the-brink-of-nationalisation.html
Category: