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Hey, thank you very much! I was just talking with a friend who was going to help me put together the sourcing, I owe you a big thanks! I will still look to add more the article. I appreciate all of you help.Tbolden (talk) 19:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you as well for your work in identifying the problems with the article. Well above and beyond just admin monitoring the copyright violations page! I haven't checked your history to see if anyone barnstared you for your work on that Copyright Violations page, but heck if they haven't you unquestionably deserve it. You did an amazing job on putting together the citations. I was talking to Tbolden on the phone walking him through what to do, and you did it all! jbolden151706:21, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I wondered given the name similarities if there was connection. :) (Of course, there might not be, but the phone call suggests there may.) I've been barnstarred for the copyright problems page, thanks. I enjoy volunteering there, particularly when an article can be salvaged. I don't generally request assessment, but I was so deeply impressed with Tbolden's work here that I thought it should be acknowledged. After the WikiProject Medicine assessment, when the dust has settled and we can be sure it's stable, perhaps a GA review would be appropriate. --Moonriddengirl15:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Cousin. I don't think in the last few years I've ever edited a medical article before. That would be pretty exciting to get something to GA status within a few weeks. I'll brief TBolden on what article status means. Right now I'm showing him what to do about the assessment as it exist and how to reply. Thanks for the help. jbolden151721:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your compliment and your encouraging words, they mean a lot. Thanks again, I plan to add to the articleTbolden (talk) 15:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Moonriddengirl, I guess I should also ask you, is there anything else you would recommend I do to get the article to either good article or (gasp!) even featured article status. Seriously though any suggestions, I originally started this as something kind of fun to do and did not expect the feedback you have given, but I have found the process of writing the article to be a good reminder of the value of hospice care. Again thanks for your support. Tbolden (talk) 22:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
We'll find out. :) At this point, we should give the Wikiproject Medicine reviewer a day or so to come back. If he doesn't come back on his own, I'll ask him to take a look at it. If he rates it B, we propose it for GA, and the GA article reviewer will give us a list of things to fix. Some of these will probably relate to my citations, as I always forget what goes in what order. He may want more information about some aspects or less information about others. Usually, it's a fairly comprehensive list. If it gets GA and you're feeling ambitious, we can take FA from there. :D --Moonriddengirl23:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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MG (in response to note on my talk page) -- I explained what GA status meant to Tbolden a few days ago and offered to help if he was interested. Yes I'm talking to him by phone. I've offered to help him through the GA process (as I've taken several articles through GA before and even rated a few). I have no experience on getting an A or getting an FA so I can't help there, other than possibly interpreting what is meant by the critique. He's away from the internet I'll let him know by voice the B assessment is online which seems like it will get him most of the way to GA. I wouldn't expect any changes in Hospice for a few days. jbolden151718:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, now that I know that anything I write is written in stone I will not delete my comment...I know I can add to the questions he had regarding respite and stopping cure-oriented care. Pediatric hospice is little utilized speciality unto itself, I can definitely add some detail to it and will have to get some references regarding this.Tbolden (talk) 14:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I added some edits suggested by Whatamidoing regarding the qualifications for care. Please let me know if it make sense to you, I am not sure I got the flow of ideas out very well. Thanks. Tbolden (talk) 21:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Got your messages, not sure what else to add about respite--was the information I added not specific enough? What else should I add and I will. Regarding pediatric hospice I could add a section on it, however yes, it would definitely need to be fleshed out more. My cousin told me I may start to get a little possessive of this article---I think that is happening! Thanks again.Tbolden (talk) 14:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh one other thing, you mentioned needing to add demographics, to what part does this need to be added to. Also, when you are done with article, I will add a small section on several sub-specialties that are in hospice care.Tbolden (talk) 14:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, regarding GA status, I think I will defer to you, I do like the article as it is. I konw I could add lots of stuff to it but as you indicated if the article is too long that can be a problem. I was thinking of adding a section on myths and barriers but if you feel that would add too much then by all means lets submit it. I am going to take your advice and link the article to a website that can answer patient/family questions. And...after all of this is said and done I will probably take a crack at another article.Tbolden (talk) 16:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry but I couldn't help myself! I added a section on barriers to hospice care. A couple of things, 1) I appreciate all of the "heavy lifting" you have done with the references, I do have two very good sources I used for this part of the article, I know this is not the correct way to do things but I wasn going to include the link following this comment. 2)Even with the sourcing, does thsi section look too much like opinion? I feel it should be in the article but after I was done I am not satisfied with how it looks. Please let me know your thoughts.Tbolden (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, regarding the patient/family barriers, it is on page 2 of the 5 page article linked and regarding hospice's being reluctant to accept patients it is on page 27 of the Hospice Work Group article, however, regarding the other financial disincentives, this is not well referenced. As this is in the process of GA nomination, would it be best to take out all of this section? If you can give me some easy pointers regarding the sourcing for the other two pieces that would be great.Tbolden (talk) 19:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello again. You were helping me make changes to get a page up on Mary Fisher the activist. When I came back to work on it, I found a page up on its own! How do I know who put that page up? Some of the information is incorrect and/or not necessarily what they were hoping to have out there in this format. Is there anything a person can do about that? How do I find out who made the page?
Hi. I put the page up with the information that I could locate. (You can see who contributed what to an article by looking at the "history" tab at the top of the page; in this case, .) Copyright matters are addressed within seven week, and when you didn't return I felt a brief article was better than deleting all information on Ms. Fisher. All the information in the article is cited to the reliable sources listed on the page, though some of it (particularly such as the number of books she has written) may be outdated. If you want to add more information, please feel free, but remember to put it in your own words and please also cite your sources. Information must be veriable on Misplaced Pages--particularly information in a biography of a living person. Information also needs to be neutrally presented. (You probably already realize that all the colored text contains links, in this case to policies and guidelines, but I'll point it out in case you don't.)
When you say "not necessarily what they were hoping to have out there in this format", that does give me some concern that you may be affiliated in some way with Ms. Fisher, so I'll suggest that you might want to read our conflict of interest guidelines so you can see how best to contribute if you are. Misplaced Pages is interested in encyclopedic detail and strives to neutrally present all information related to the notability of its subjects. Being connected with her does not automatically create a problem in editing the article, but it does require extra care.
Thank you for the 'conflict of interest' link - it was helpful. I only want to help people (and wiki), so I feel entirely comfortable with how to keep it encyclopedic. Which brings me to my current problem - there is one urgent fact missing from the page and I'm concerned for the impact it might have on others. Mary went back on the medication not long after that article you found that stated she had stopped. I'd hate to have people interpret that as a reason to stop. If I can't find a 'source' for this information, how can I get that very important point across? Thank you again!
Handley Willoughby (talk) 22:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Well, did Mary give an interview where she talked about going back on medication, or did she write about it on her website? That would be the best thing--to explain that she went back on medication and why. (If you know her and she didn't write about it on her website, perhaps she could. :)) Alternatively, we can add some general information about the advisability of going off medications, if we can source that. Do you know if she wrote further about her experiences? I don't doubt there's more out there than I found when I was working on the article. I was primarily relying on "google news." --Moonriddengirl00:02, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I haven't been able to find anything public. Can I just take that fact down for now, or do I need to have a reason? I can go back and put it back up later?! Thanks!Handley Willoughby (talk) 19:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
eLib Solutions
Before I post everything on the copyright discussion page, I wanted to discuss this with you so we can already present a concept for co-publishing on the copyright page.
Ok, let's see how we proceed: I am very much in favor of a solution as we added some good articles (mainly on the german wikipedia). I think that spreading quality-controlled texts is a good idea. That is the reason for trying to co-publish as there are legal problems otherwise. Here some thoughts for legal worst case scenarios (i hate my law studies):
Basic "Problem" with the GFDL for ages: it clearly states that all "copies" of a licenced work must remain under the GFDL. Further, I am not allowed to obstruct reading or further copying ad include a variety of informations (authors, mods etc). This can lead to problems with copys published on the authors page, in eLib, in a password protected environment or at a publisher's website. Only legal solution (at least as I see it from an Austrian Law perspective - oh, I love legal fictions): the published text is not a derivative nor a copy but a new legal entity originally co- not re-published under the GFDL (or any other licence allowing for scientific and educational use as stated in our licence) in wikipedia - not earlier - and existing next to the other work. Otherwise, both of us would also have to permanently update and synchronize the history of both GFDL article versions under the GFDL (wikipedia too if it is first published in eLib under the GFDL) as both may be used, but only if they have a local copy of the history of all edits and a list of all authors attached - enjoy.
As we have a lot of different licences coexisting, not all eLib texts can be added and from our side each text has to be controlled by me as eLib Admin, as I am legally responsible if something goes wrong. So I have a vital interest that everything goes according to licence.
This whole process has to be documented from your side directly in[REDACTED] as I tried to do with the notice and the category with links to explanations to the unusual process. This can be done by me (bulk) under my username, if the authors granted eLib the right to copublish under our project licence. The necessary rights for[REDACTED] would then be generated through a link to eLib and a link explaining the process and the relevant part of our licence. It can also be done individually by the authors for their text - but as individuals they should veryfy individually.
I don't think that there is a binding legal process for identification if I only have the IP or username and it is done over the net (at least it is problematic in Austria).
This said, we should not overreact (Misplaced Pages:Avoid copyright paranoia). Perhaps we can find a way where we establish my position as admin (how to do that in a way that would save me from litigation I do not know, but fine) and my right to act on non-exclusive rights given to eLib by authors - also for the co-publishing process. This way, at least I personally could add eLib texts which would mean some work but also more content. How should we do that? Cheers, --Gego (talk) 09:05, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I have absolutely no familiarity with the German Misplaced Pages or its rules or processes, I'm afraid, and lack the German necessary to review them. :/ Also, any solution we come up with now may become a problem in August if we switch as anticipated to CC-by-SA, since as I understand it work placed here from external sites under GFDL may not be acceptable then unless said site is a Wiki (see .) But if I am understanding your situation correctly—that you are an administrator on eLib to whom content contributors provide text and that you obtain permission from some of them to release the text under GFDL at Misplaced Pages—then you should be in good position to verify permission.
It seems that you are proposing to place a note at eLib explaining the licensing situation here. That ought to work, if you clearly identify your Misplaced Pages username at that site and note that said username has authorization by eLib and its contributors to place material on Misplaced Pages under the licensing terms of GFDL v.1.3 or later (again, though, come August this could be an issue. You might want to cover that by granting yourself authorization to release material under GFDL and CC-by-SA. Otherwise, any text you place here under GFDL may have to be removed...a nightmare scenario I so don't want to be involved in). In that case, you would want to provide a link to that release on the talk page of any article you so place. In order to comply with GFDL, you will also need to credit the original authors, by whatever name or identification they've submitted the work. Generally, we'd do this by a direct link to the individual eLib article, but if those articles are password protected it should also work to specify something like: "At its creation, this article utilized text released under GFDL and CC-by-SA by , originally published at on . See .") It seems like this might be the simplest and best solution, since the entire site is not released by GFDL and that would avoid Misplaced Pages's accepting text from other contributors that do not have permission. You may need to designate a contact e-mail if original authors may independently place their material here, since we'll need someone who can verify that they are the same person. (We've done this with Scholarpedia, which also has variant licensing.)
I'm not entirely sure whether you're understanding the GFDL correctly, though--or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. When you say, "Otherwise, both of us would also have to permanently update and synchronize the history of both GFDL article versions under the GFDL (wikipedia too if it is first published in eLib under the GFDL) as both may be used, but only if they have a local copy of the history of all edits and a list of all authors attached - enjoy", you seem to be suggesting that to comply with GFDL, all versions of an article must document the history of all other versions. GFDL does not require that you attribute text that does not exist in a version released, but only those contributors to specific modification. Theoretically, one base document could evolve differently at two different wikis, for example, and both would be in compliance of GFDL if they noted their individual contributors, which might diverge permanently after the first edit. If I've misunderstood you, forgive me, please, for over-explaining. :) Also, of course, the original copyright holder is not a "licensee" under GFDL. While everyone else who wants to use the material must attribute under the provisions of GFDL, the copyright holder can do what he or she likes, including modify his own document and/or publish it elsewhere or give permission for others to publish it under different license (according to En Misplaced Pages's interpretation anyway; see WP:C: "For permission to use it outside these terms, one must contact all the volunteer authors of the text or illustration in question.")
With respect to avoid copyright paranoia, this is a sound basic philosophy, but I wonder if you've read the page? :) It's an essay, not policy or guideline, and it is not even truly an essay as we use the term—it's more a talk page. And it's primarily about fair use. This is obviously a different situation, and these procedures have been created to protect both the Wikimedia Foundation and the copyright owners who are submitting material to you. Verifying from the start is also a good idea to allow us to keep this content. I have observed many situations at our copyright problems board where people have challenged our use of text placed here that is also published elsewhere, probably by the same person. After a length of time, it can be difficult to prove that. Misplaced Pages:Copyright violations notes that "if the contributor was in fact the author of the text, then even if it is published elsewhere under different terms, they have the right to post it here under the GFDL", but if the contributor can't be contacted, we can't know if they are in fact the author of the text. Lacking verification, this material is typically deleted after seven days. (See Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems/Advice for admins.) A good notice at the source will eliminate that problem, as would going through the Communications Committee and getting an OTRS number (See Misplaced Pages:Donating copyrighted materials). Having seen some good content yanked from Misplaced Pages, I'm all in favor of making sure it stays usable from the start. :) --Moonriddengirl13:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Bollywood - he's back
The sock is back with another account (apparently, he was waiting for the opportunity to be able to edit that article). I think the article should be protected from any edits. Shahid • 14:39, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't believe full protection of the article is appropriate, though you are welcome to request it at WP:RPP if you disagree. The majority of edits to that article seem constructive. I see that you have addressed the matter with him. I'll tag the contributor as a suspected sock puppet, and if he restores the material again will block that account. --Moonriddengirl14:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree with you. He adds his POV, removing sources and adding wrong information instead. That's quite disheartening. I've warned him, but cannot do more than that. Please keep watching the article if you can. Shahid • 14:50, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
After further reviewing contribution history, there's not much question of sock puppetry--Martineejames' first edit was to recreate an article by that contributor that was speedily deleted. I have the Bollywood article on my watchlist, but, of course, I have to be careful to continue to act as a neutral administrator. If I see obvious socking, I can block, but there's sometimes the danger that a good faith contributor may support those changes, which might shift it into content dispute. :) --Moonriddengirl14:54, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree with you, but I strongly doubt such a thing will happen. I am very impressed by your willingness to be neutral and fair. I'm grateful for your great help. Best regards, Shahid • 15:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Here's another one. They're all the same person who created multiple accounts. Their IP generally starts with "117...". His message proves that he is the one from the Bollywood article. Just like the previous one, he insulted me for working on the Preity Zinta article (remember his account "Preityzintaisawhore"?). It was just a note, it doesn't matter. Thanks for reverting the vandalism. Shahid • 15:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey Moonriddengirl. I've done an initial rewrite of the Army worm article and put it here. The same sources as before were used, but rephrased and rewritten. It'd be awesome if you could take a quick look at that, and if you're satisfied that it's no longer a copyright problem I'll add it back in. If not, I can rewrite any portion you feel needs some work. Thanks! FlyingToaster18:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
The challenge here is finding ways to present this information that do not replicate the structure of the original or the creative selection of facts. (Facts are not copyrighted; their creative selection may be.) The original says:
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The life cycle is completed in about 30 days during the summer, but 60 days in the spring and autumn, and 80 to 90 days during the winter. The number of generations occurring in an area varies with the appearance of the dispersing adults. The ability to diapause is not present in this species. In Minnesota and New York, where fall armyworm moths do not appear until August, there may be but a single generation. The number of generations is reported to be one to two in Kansas, three in South Carolina, and four in Louisiana.
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The new version says:
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The life cycle of the fall army worm varies in length by season; 30 days in the summer, 60 in the spring and fall, and 80 to 90 days in the winter. How many generations a population of fall army worms go through depends on when they appear in a region, with more southern locations reporting more generations. For instance, in Minnesota and New York they do not appear until August and may only live for a single generation. However, in Kansas they go through one to two generations, in South Carolina they go through three, and in Louisiana they go through four.
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Some part of this show good separation, but even the selection of examples could be a problem, since these are the same examples chosen by the tagged source. I can't find the original source online--the Studies of the fall armyworm in the Gulf coast region of Texas--so I can't compare that to see if this Floridian writer has originality in that choice or simply reproduced all information from the original. It might be better to rearrange material more radically to separate from source, something like:
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The life cycle of the fall army worm varies in length by season; typical life cycle during the summer is 30 days, but this doubles in spring and autumn and as much as triples in winter. How many generations a population of fall army worms goes through depends on when they appear in a region, ranging from four in areas like Louisiana where the moths make an early appearance to one in such locations as Minnesota and New York.
The distribution section is even closer to this source. (For instance, the temp article says, "native to the tropical regions of the western hemisphere from the United States to Argentina." The source says, "native to the tropical regions of the western hemisphere from the United States to Argentina." The article says, "It is recorded from virtually all states east of the Rocky Mountains. However, as a regular and serious pest, its range tends to be mostly the southeastern states." The source says, "They have been documented in virtually all of the states east of the Rocky Mountains. However, as a regular and serious pest of vegetable crops, its range tends to be mostly in the southeastern states." I'm afraid this temp version still needs some extensive revision. --Moonriddengirl19:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
"Free" question
Hi MRG, I know I've promised to get active again on a certain topic but in the meantime:
Do you have any comments on this? I'm not sure that was the right place to ask the question, or even if I actually asked any clear question. :) Thanks! Franamax (talk) 01:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry. I got started on WP:CP this morning and completely forgot to follow up on my talk page notes. (Big day! I've got a long road still ahead.) I'm very glad to see that somebody else has answered you, though, because I'm a total duffer when it comes to images. I may have compiled the WP:GID, but I did it because I could never figure out how these were handled and realized I probably wasn't the only one. :D
Hi, sorry to take so long getting back to you about this exoticindia.com. I do still have the e-mails from them securely in my saved messages folder. They initially wanted to stipulate non-commercial use only, but, after I explained that that wouldn't be possible, I received an e-mail from @exoticindia.com on Aug. 5, 2005 reading in part "I have discussed the issue with Seema. She has informed me that as per your suggestion the credit to our text will be mentioned
in the Edit Summary. In case the source is appropriately credited, you can use our text content freely on Misplaced Pages. However, we have to be more particular about the possible end use of our images. I have therefore requested Seema not to list our images on Misplaced Pages for now." Please advise how to proceed.—Nat Krause02:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Are you able to give me back my temp page, which was a work in progress. Thanks for your comments. ( i know minus the text)
Some information I would think would be very similar to the company's website because of factual information. I was following some other mining companies wik's for formatting.
The information I had was stating the company's public company symbol and what type of projects they have ongoing. I can't really change that too much as they are public and anything that gets released on its own website or press release is scrutinized by the stock exchange. The information I was putting up may seem like it is copyright, but with public companies, it is more like factual public information that shouldn't be modified and is allowed to be disseminated.
My goal is to describe the company, give a blurb about the company and users can use the external link section or link back to the company website for more information. I do not want to have copyright concerns even though the information was provided by the company, i just don't want to change it drastically.
However, I have no problem re-wording areas that I can and give obvious reference to the source which I believe follows protocol for the copyright issue.
you mentioned "as long as the information comes from a cited source, you don't need to duplicate the language (and must not, to comply with our copyright policy"
If I put up exactly what i had before and right underneath the article put cited source and a link.. will that work and solve my problems?
thank you again and I will keep learning to avoid these mistakes in future postings.
I think i get what other people have done.
If I am getting information from tirex and they have that on their website. I can keep the information exactly the same, but put a little reference tag and have a reference section to where it can be found on the net. Will that work?
Someone who would rather people contribute constructively to Misplaced Pages. As you were advised on your talk page, you're welcome to experiment in the sandbox. --Moonriddengirl00:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Help needed
Hello firend! I need your help on Bollywood films and plagiarism. One user, Zhanzhao (talk·contribs) has been adding films to the list of "Films alleged to contain plagiarism", using completely unreliable sources, even blogs.
Back in time, he was at first saying such things as "It's a clear remake, we all know that". He was (and still is) under the impression that sources must not be added. Then he started adding sources when he saw that his edits are otherwise reverted. But most of them were blogs and fansites. I cleaned up the list, leaving only the titles that use reliable sources. Asked him to find reliable sources, as per WP:RS. Now he keeps reverting my edits to his own version asking me to prove hat they are unreliable. I (believe me, I know exactly what can and what cannot be considered reliable as someone who wrote a FA about an Indian actor and even had many troubles because of that) explained that the burden of proof is on him, and as for the sources, he is the one who adds them, hence he is the one who must prove their reliability when they are questioned.
As you were able to spot in the near past. I even added some sources myself. Today for example I removed a questionable source and replaced it with an Indian newspaper. It does not help, and the page is still being reverted (and the unreliable sources re-added). Could you please help me somehow? Talk to him? Protect the page? Or anything else? Shahid • 12:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
The question of what makes a source reliable is not often cut and dried to the point that admin intervention is appropriate, unless it's on a foundation matter like WP:BLP. I see this is already up for arbitration, although this isn't likely to go anywhere since it doesn't conform to requirements. Your best bet here is probably to request further input from an appropriate, neutral forum like the reliable sources noticeboard or WP:3O (if you go to 3O, please follow carefully the instructions on listing, noting that it is the one board where you should not use four tildes to sign your name. :)) Meanwhile, if you find the situation getting too heated, you may want to step back and stop editing for a while until you get a response from that forum. --Moonriddengirl12:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeh but he keeps the reversals arduously, and I can't stand the inclusion of blogs on the article. Thanks you, Shahid • 13:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for interrupting, but sites like oneindia.com, thaindian.com , slough.gov.uk and iefilmi.com are NOT blogs. I just want a fair say in the matter here. Thanks for the suggestion though, I'll post a request to the WP:RSN later.Zhanzhao (talk) 13:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
That's probably the best forum for it to receive neutral input. Meanwhile, please try to work civilly with one another as you look for an acceptable compromise or reach consensus through wider participation. --Moonriddengirl13:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Well I'm trying to, but he keeps editing the Talk:Bollywood_films_and_plagiarism page and screwing up the placement of my replies, and when I revert his changes, now he's trying to accuse me of vandalising them because he refuses to undo his changes before making new comments....Zhanzhao (talk) 13:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to note that when you use curly brackets, you replicate the entire page. You used curly brackets here, and copied the whole of Talk:Bollywood films and plagiarism on my talk page. You did the same here, which would have transcribed all of the other user's userpage. With respect to your talk page argument, I see that here you placed your comments inside of a comment by another user. This is not a good idea, as it makes it very difficult to trace who said what, when. Misplaced Pages:Talk page notes, "To respond to a discussion already in progress, add your comment below the last entry in the discussion." The entry ends with the signature. You should not respond in the middle of an entry, but after it is concluded. --Moonriddengirl14:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for the clarification. I was having some difficulty earlier on as I was trying to help {{User:Shshshsh } edit his posts since he refused to do it himself, and encountered this problem. That should fix everything afterthat. Appreciated! Zhanzhao (talk) 14:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad if I can be of assistance. :) Generally, tickets listed at CP are not processed for seven days after their placement, but I tend to look at the most recent day's listings as well just in case there is something that can be immediately resolved. Your notes, of course, made this easy. --Moonriddengirl16:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for catching the copyright concern in that article and addressing it. One thing I noticed that might help you if you run into future copyright concerns is that you seem to be using the words "plagiarism" and "copyright infringement" somewhat interchangeably. Plagiarism is frowned upon on Misplaced Pages, but we do not yet have an official policy in place about it. (There is one under development at Misplaced Pages:Plagiarism.) Copyright infringement is a different matter. The two can go hand-in-hand, but don't always. When you remove copyright infringement from text, instead of referring to it as "plagiarism" in the edit summary, you would probably get better results to just refer to it flatly as copyright infringement. If somebody resists your efforts to remove it, you can blank the entire article with {{subst:copyvio|url=whatever}} and follow the further directions for handling that the template will provide. Those templates are only supposed to be removed by administrators. Good luck reaching consensus with other contributors of the page in its new direction, and thanks again. --Moonriddengirl19:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for handling the case and for the advice! I see what you mean about plagiarism vs copyright infringement. Next time Anonmoos restores the text (if he does) I will take the steps that you suggested. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 19:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Hip Hop albums
Hi.
By any chance do you know whose idea was to ALWAYS put a table in the track listing for those albums, i haven`t really learned to work with them, wich make it a real pain, but i don`t want to remove them if some guideline or concensus says i can`t.
There seems to be an edit war in this article with one person continually redirecting the page to another and one person restoring the page and the two of them alternating undoing the edits of the other. I don't know if you can do anything about it, but it's beginning to annoy me (I attempted to get it categorised by putting it in the January category of articles to be categorised and, once again, it's in the specialpages of uncategorised articles). T@nn (talk) 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I can't guarantee it'll settle down immediately, but it should resolve soon one way or the other. I have warned both of them that the next time either blindly reverts the article, they will be blocked. They've been edit warring on that one for a long time. I've watchlisted the article. If they're really interested in the outcome, they'll follow up on process by involving other parties to help establish consensus. (I almost restored it as a redirect based on the 2006 AfD, but redirects from AfD don't seem to be as binding as deletions; given the time span, I think a new consensus would be necessary.) --Moonriddengirl12:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I was composing a fairly long message to this user which I posted after you blocked him (it was a new section so I didn't see the block message before I posted it) - it's on his talk, hopefully he'll take it on board when his block expires. Exxolon (talk) 16:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Good message. Let's hope. :) Unfortunately, with Gothic music, s/he doesn't seem to understand that no matter how right you may think you are, you need to use the consensus process rather than edit warring. If s/he does, I suspect consensus will be with him, but this back and forth on the article in question isn't doing the project any good. :/ --Moonriddengirl16:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Honestly, I find the idea a bit intimidating, since I've literally put everything I could find on this man into the article. If a GA reviewer asks for more info, I am sunk. :D But I'm highly honored that you would suggest it, and I may give it a shot anyway. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. --Moonriddengirl13:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello again Moonriddengirl. Sorry to bother you again, but I'm trying to get rid of the broken references on some of the articles and I simply can't seem to get rid of the one on this article, no matter where I put the reflist: I've tried to put it in the usual place where I put it (just above the categories) and that has worked in other articles but not this one. Then I tried another place (as you can from the current state of the page) and that didn't work either. Do you have any idea of why that is and what can be done? T@nn (talk) 15:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I believe the problem is in one of the bottom boxes. It has a ref in it, but because the references section is above it, that ref has no place to expand. I'm about to test that theory. --Moonriddengirl16:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I think Template:Mexican diaspora was creating the problem. I note that the problem also existed in other articles that transcluded the template below the "ref" box. I've changed the "ref" to a simple inline link. Once the articles that transclude it do that magic thing they do where they update themselves, the problem should correct. If it isn't better within a few hours, I'll ask somebody with more technical know-how than I have how to fix it. But I'm banking that the problem is fixed. --Moonriddengirl16:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Once again, above and beyond the call of duty.;-) I lose patience after I see the umpteenth paste job from a web site. You know that box that appears when you create an article...
Before creating an article, please read Misplaced Pages:Your first article, or search for an existing article to which you can redirect this title.
To experiment, please use the sandbox.
When creating an article, provide references to reliable published sources. An article without references will likely be deleted quickly.
Has the English Wikpedia ever thought of adding something to the effect of...
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Hi. :) I understand your loss of patience, believe me. That seems like a stellar idea. I wouldn't begin to know how to implement that, but I know who I'll ask. :) I'll see what I can find out about the feasibility of including that. --Moonriddengirl19:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
A very sincere thank you and wow - for your work on the Indonesian articles this morning - it is very much appreciated - clearly an improvement - SatuSuro01:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. :) I'm afraid it may take a little baby-sitting until all the contributors are clear that they can't just paste material from other sources. I've had to clean more infringement today. --Moonriddengirl12:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Kennan Ward
I see you removed information about me Kennan Ward. Although I consider myself at least average I say it is semantics to say you can not use information I provide about myself and than publish similar writings people submit with minor or one change??
Could you imagine going through all this writing something new to find the same result. I may be hard to learn your very specific ways but I think it may help you to be flexible to real people.
I submitted a starting point for others to add after some hundred requests from art collectors. I actually thought I was helping Misplaced Pages.
I can not put a GFDL on my website as I have many copyright images. The text is a whole other situation especially about us?
Hi. :) It's possible that his name is Everett McGill, even if he's not that particular one. Misplaced Pages:Username#Real names says that if there is likely to be some confusion, he can indicate his identity on his userpage. Looking at his contribution history, I'm thinking he may be okay (I haven't looked at the actual edits, just the topics that draw him), but if you think that some might presume he is the actor, the thing to do is probably point out that section of policy and ask him if he'd mind clarifying on his userpage. --Moonriddengirl12:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
