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Fritzpoll has found himself in need of sitting down and getting stuck in to his PhD work and a couple of other real-life project and will temporarily halt editing on January 17th, but will find himself back on Misplaced Pages in mid-February. Fritzpoll also apologises for the short notice and for referring to himself in the third person

User talk:EverettMcGill

Hi. You'll need to delete this users account and get him renamed. Unless it is Everett McGill himself then it violates the living person thing doesn't it. Hey when was the last time you popped in to tlak to me on my talk page? Dr. Blofeld 12:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Responded. I'm curious LOL Dr. Blofeld 15:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Try Category:Wikipedians in Fiji? Dr. Blofeld 17:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

upcoming questions

I need to read the GFDL again, I tried to read it when flatsca posted on my page. I am rather perplexed, as the closing admin was User_talk:MBisanz#Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion.2FB.27dg (maybe for different reasons). I will have some questions, thank you. Ikip (talk) 14:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to ask me whatever, whenever you need to. You might also want to read ], which is slightly easier to read! Fritzpoll (talk) 14:27, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Questionable

From what I have read, A Nobody reported TTN on ANI. Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive498#Not_properly_attributing_contributions_in_merge_edit_summaries. User:Flatscan took over the discussion the next day, and the conversation was directed to Help_talk:Merging_and_moving_pages#Merge_edit_summaries.

On this help page the following was said:

Policy being quoted at Help_talk:Merging_and_moving_pages#Merge_edit_summaries:

Save the destination page, with an edit summary noting "merge content from ]" (This step is required in order to conform with §4(I) of the GFDL. Do not omit it nor omit the page name.)

Thump's comments (To summarize: rule widely ignored, but I should be warned to stop misusing talk space)

14:40, 9 December 2008 on Help_talk:Merging_and_moving_pages#Merge_edit_summaries:

I think it's fair to say that this is so widely-ignored that it's not going to be settled on a help page's talk. I'd certainly support making this notice more prominent.

11:10, 18 February 2009 on the recent ANI.

The correct immediate action would be to revert the copies and warn him to stop misusing talk space. If he wants to use his userspace to permanently store copies of every article that's deleted then so be it, while there are admins still prepared to humour him. He should not be using talkspace for the same purpose.

Other editors at: Help_talk:Merging_and_moving_pages#Merge_edit_summaries:

20:37, 10 December 2008

Enforcing this as we would other policies will be onerous and painful in practice.

20:51, 10 December 2008

It is frequently ignored because people have little or no knowledge of the GFDL, but that is not a good reason not to enforce it.

Reading the help page, this appears to be an attempt to create more WP:BURO and WP:CREEP. The new buearcracy seems to be in its infancy, since editors have "little or no knowledge of the GFDL" and this rule "is so widely-ignored".

From what I understand, as long as I add the merge tags, he will be satisfied, despite him already knowing that this rule is "so widely-ignored". Ikip (talk) 16:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Bit puzzled at what this above section is all about - seems quite bizarrely mashed up. It depends how you are using the material. If you copy text onto a new page for discussion, you should attribute its source. If you create a new page with text from the old one, you should move the entire page (or have an admin do it in the case of deleted pages) so that the history is preserved. That's all there is to it, fortunately. As for things said on other policy pages or by other editors, they do not override the GFDL, so attribution is always necessary. Fritzpoll (talk) 16:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Having looked further, I should point out that you are also quoting some aspects out of context. Your second quote for example, actually says: "It is frequently ignored because people have little or no knowledge of the GFDL, but that is not a good reason not to enforce it." - the GFDL is paramount, because we are only licensed to copy the text with attribution to the original authors. Fritzpoll (talk) 16:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
(ec) I guess we are all confused, thanks for the sympathetic ear. The editor quoted the previous ANI in the ANI against me, Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive498#Not_properly_attributing_contributions_in_merge_edit_summaries, in this ANI, the discussion was moved to Help_talk:Merging_and_moving_pages#Merge_edit_summaries, where the editor discussed the above section. I quote editors there, including thump. I reworked the above.
It is always necessary, but it seems to be regularly ignored, is this correct?
Editors email copies of pages, without the history, is this allowed? Ikip (talk) 16:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I added the portion of the sentence you mentioned. Sorry for excluding it. I am glad you are reading over the long conversation. Hopefully the above refactoring helps clarify things. Ikip (talk) 16:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. I will watch your page. Ikip (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
With the traditional note that I am not a trained legal professional, the GFDL on Misplaced Pages is a license granted by editors of articles that their contributions may be copied and distributed, provided their "authorship" is acknowledged at the time of distribution. Misplaced Pages does not own the copyright to the text, the editor does and copying the text without attribution is outside the terms of the GFDL license and so is copyright. My argument would be that in cases of distribution via e-mail and so forth, an annotated link to the article history would satisfy this. In the case of copying material or moving it around on Misplaced Pages, the attribution procedure is best served by the means I have described above.
Even though this rule may be widely ignored, it doesn't mean that it should be, and I would ask that you follow this in the future, even though I appreciate that you didn't realise it in advance. As to the behaviour of the user you have accused of harassment, I will look into this further, but probably won't reach any conclusions for the next few hours. Can you in the meantime summarise (ideally with diffs) the nature of your dispute? Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 16:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I removed large portions of what I wrote. No further action is necessary. Thank you for your time and patience. I will follow this rule.Ikip (talk) 16:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I will cease looking into this, but if you feel that another user is unnecessarily pursuing you, please feel free to let me know. Fritzpoll (talk) 17:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Not a minor fix

This is not a minor fix. It significantly changes the meaning of policy. I assume this was not intentional. Chillum 15:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

No, upon seeing it reverted, I suddenly realised the significance of the change, as I inadvertently made subject request a sole grounds for deletion! Whoops! Still not sure that the sentence is very clear though Fritzpoll (talk) 15:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

No worries, I sometimes don't realize things till I get reverted either. Chillum 15:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar of Peace

The Barnstar of Peace
The Barnstar of Peace is awarded to users who have helped to peacefully resolve conflicts on Misplaced Pages.

This barnstar is awarded to Fritzpoll, for his professional and fair handling of a delicate conflict. Fritzpoll, your negotiation skills and patience are an invaluable asset to the[REDACTED] project. Ikip (talk) 17:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

You are most welcome! :) Fritzpoll (talk) 17:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikihounding investigation

Hi. Thanks for intervening in the discussion at AN. While I understand the value of deescalation, I am not willing to let the allegations stand unchallenged. May I request that you complete your investigation into my editing behavior? Flatscan (talk) 04:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I would do so if I had anything to investigate. I suppose I could examine the accusation of harrassing behaviour, but I would ask that you reconsider. The issue seems to have been dropped, and without a complaint to assess, wouldn't it be better if you just got on with things? Fritzpoll (talk) 09:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I thought about it, and I did reconsider after reviewing Ikip's retraction. There's no point in asking you to do busywork. Thanks again for helping with this. Flatscan (talk) 04:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Excellent. Feel free to return if you have any other problems Fritzpoll (talk) 09:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Bot idea

Hi Fritzpoll, Blofeld, AlbertHerring, and I have developed a new set of templates (e.g. {{Expand Spanish}}) that we hope can eventually be applied to many stub articles on en.wiki that could benefit from translation from another wiki. I was wondering if you could help us with a bot that could make the templates even better! Right now the templates can either be applied like {{Expand Spanish|Articlename}} or {{Expand Spanish}} (without an article name). If no article name is specified, it defaults to linking to the article with the same name on es.wiki. In general, this is good (biographies and geography articles generally have the same name, and these are the majority of the articles tagged), but it causes problems for articles like Education in Peru, which obviously doesn't have the same name in Spanish.

My idea is that a bot could go through the articles without an article name parameter, check for the relevant interwiki in the article, and then add that as the tag's articlename parameter. That way there will be no mistakes, and article tagging will be very easy because taggers don't even have to specify the article name. (If this bot were implemented and ran regularly, I would change the template default so there is no interwiki link in the tag until an articlename parameter has been specified by a human or a bot.) The only problems i can see is if there is no interwiki, or if there is a non-unique interwiki (some en.wiki articles have two es.wiki interwikis, for example). I suppose these could be outputted to a list for me and blofeld to review, or your bot could notify the taggers so they would fix it themselves.

I see you are very busy at the moment, but if you could help out eventually it would be great! Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good - I can work on it this coming weekend if you would like? I'll be removing the bvusy template very soon! Fritzpoll (talk) 11:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

There is a proposal at BAG anyway. So far not so good. Dr. Blofeld 12:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Where? Fritzpoll (talk) 13:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Deleted article

Thanks for closing the deal on the Iberian-Guanche article. There is still a ton of links to the page that the creator of the article has sown across WP. What's the normal procedure? Will you delete them? Do you need a hand, or is it up to the editors to remove the links? Trigaranus (talk) 14:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Give me five minutes - I can delink mentions in article space, and I'll check for redirects. Fritzpoll (talk) 14:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Special:WhatLinksHere/Iberian-Guanche_inscriptions suggests it's a little embedded in text, and I'm loathe just to remove the links and leave the text in place given that there is debate over the usefulness of this term. Perhaps a manual removal would be appropriate by someone such as yourself? Fritzpoll (talk) 14:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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