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This user is working to get the article HMS Archer (D78) to good article status.

Please add new comments at the bottom of the relevant section if it already exists - e.g. Railways, Places, Ships, Aircraft & Airlines etc. Please add new subjects to the bottom of the page. If you are unsure where to add your contribution, the bottom of the page will be fine. I'll move it myself if necessary.

Please add DYKs to the bottom of the DYK section

Barnstars

The Orignal Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		Presented to Mjroots (talk · contribs) for an impressive body of contributions to airlines, rail, and rivers history articles on Misplaced Pages, and for your generous willingness to lend us your expertise in these areas, I award you this Original Barnstar. Soooo overdue!! Thank you. With sincere regards, ...LanceBarber (talk) 21:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For your excellent British windmill articles Daniel Case (talk) 05:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For expanding the Moses Montefiore Windmill article with a "book" source Epson291 (talk) 07:02, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

The Retro Transport Award

		The Retro Transport Award
		For your outstanding work on adding valuable content related to old ships, trains and planes. Keep up the great work friend! The Bald One is proud of you. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ 22:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Railway Barnstar

		The Tramway (or railway!) Barnstar
		For creating the Southampton Corporation Tramways - it's significant becuase of 45, and it's also been needed for a while! -- BG7 11:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC0

Special Barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		Thank you for your kind, collaborative style and your thoughtfulness in addressing my concerns. I really do appreciate it very very much. Happy editing! Tiamut 12:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

The Teamwork Barnstar

		The Teamwork Barnstar
		I award the Teamwork Barnstar to all editors who have taken part in writing this article so well and so quickly. User:A More Perfect Onion (talk) 03:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Diligence

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Awarded for your Herculean efforts on List of windmills in the United Kingdom and the lists for Bedfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Cambridgeshire, Cornwall, Devon, East Sussex, Essex, Hampshire, Hertfordshire, Isle of Wight, Kent, Lancashire, Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, Norfolk, Surrey, and West Sussex, and on related pages, by Xn4 (talk) 23:02, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK

This user has written or expanded 76 articles featured in the Did You Know section on the Main Page.

My DYKs are on this sub-page.

		The 25 DYK Medal
		For achieving your 25th Did You Know? I hereby award you this big fat medal. Well done. Hersfold 23:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

		The 50 DYK Medal
		Trams, mills, railways ... I think Isamard would have been proud of your approach particulary the French ideas, but he would have barred our veteran editor from further progression for supporting a railway that was merely a metre. But he's not here! So more seriously, thank you on behalf of the wiki. (Let me tell you though that the 100 one s a really cool yellowy gold colour). Good luck with the GA and cheers Victuallers (talk) 12:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Dyks

Your welcome ... ask the two people you nominated! They count too Victuallers (talk) 13:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Aircraft & Airlines

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VS LHR Accident

Hm, well, I just thought that eleven years after the fact it doesn't really represent an important part of Heathrow's history in any way in which it might have had a long-term effect on the airport. It's already contained on the Virgin Atlantic page, and I would argue has much more relevance on there. NcSchu_(Talk) 15:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I usually try to rule using WP:AIRPORT's guidelines (the accident was fatal to either the aircraft occupants or persons on the ground and/or the accident involved hull loss or serious damage to the aircraft or airport and/or the accident invoked a change in procedures, regulations or process that had a wide effect on other airports or airlines or the aircraft industry). Now the only one it sort of fits into is the second category, though there wasn't a hull loss. I don't think the gap between the two incidents is really a reason for it to be included. Especially because this one doesn't seem as relevant as the ones surrounding it. NcSchu_(Talk) 15:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

BOAC Flight 712

Thanks for the note, didnt feel strongly enough to delete the names but it is likely to be challenged as WP:NOTMEMORIAL at some point in the future! MilborneOne (talk) 16:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Sudan 109 changes

Hi, I see that you've reverted a couple of changes I made on the above article and stated MoS as your reasoning. If your revision is as per the MoS may I suggest we forget it in this instance because it looks horrendous chopping and changing between confusing date formats. RaseaC (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

My bad, just noticed changes were down to another editor, not you. RaseaC (talk) 21:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Mjroots,

Thanks for the cite template work. It's really a better way to do things. Please be careful though, when converting, not to lose content in the old form. I've restored some author names that got dropped, so we give credit where due. Cheers, LeadSongDog (talk) 03:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Varig Flight 254

Hi Mjroots,

The references from the Varig Flight 254 article look to be appropriate on a first glance. I will take a better look when I have some time. One of them did seem to be a dead link, however. I'll double check that one too when I get back to it. Muito obrigado! (Thanks!) babbage (talk) 14:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

TWA Flight 840 (1969)

You provided a reference for this article to a geocities page (http://www.geocities.com/~aeromoe/fleets/tw.html). This is hardly a proper source of citation for Misplaced Pages as it is not a peer-reviewed document. Please see WP:CITE for proper citations. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 13:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

VR-HEU

Since this flight doesn't seem to have any flight number associated with it(and please don't ask me why cause I don't have the answer), and I must admit I have tried very hard to locate one to little avail, I am just following the convention. Think about it, in these circumtances, which one is clumsier? Or more precise? 1) Airline name + Aircraft registration (unique); or 2) Airline name + crash site + Type of incident + year + whatever else + whatever else + whatever else ...?

There is no so-called "correct rule" to adhere to in these circumstances. But if you do reckon 2) to be more appropriate and acceptable to everyone else on Wiki, I strongly suggest you make a guideline proposal to change the titles of all other flights that doesn't have a flight number.

A thought came in just a moment ago, what happens if 2 flights of the same airline, same aircraft type, same crash site, same type of incident, happened in the same year? Your title would be exceptionally long-winded before you encounter the one true unique bit at the end, wouldn't it? BringItOn TheAteam (talk) 11:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

(Back from dinner) Thanks for the opportunity of reply and I do appreciate the new angle in the discussion. I must admit I hadn't thought of that before. People googling I mean.

Just for your info, a moment ago, I tried googling with: 1) 1954 Hainan Shootdown; 2) 1954 cathay hainan; 3) 1954 cathay skymaster; 4) 1954 cathay skymaster; 5) 1954 cathay c-54; 6) 1954 cathay dc-4; 7) cathay hainan; 8) skymaster hainan; 9) cathay shootdown; and here are the results:

1) Current title appears 2nd on the list; 2) Current title appears 1st on the list; 3) Current title appears 1st on the list; 4) Current title appears 1st on the list; 5) Current title appears 1st on the list; 6) Current title appears 1st on the list; 7)12ve on list; 8)1st on list; 9) 2nd on list;

I also googled with: 1) concorde crash; 2) boac comet crash; 3) china airlines 747 disintegration; Here are the results: 1) Air France Flight 4590 appears 1st on the list; 2) BOAC Flight 781 appears 1st on the list; 3) China Airlines Flight 611 appears 3rd on the list.

I think with today's technology in search engines and key words (like cathay, 1954, hainan, skymaster, etc etc) already in the article itself, having the current title may not, and I stress may not, present people searching (You and me are users too) with too big an obstacle afterall. What do you reck?BringItOn TheAteam (talk) 14:23, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Limoges incident

Look farther up on the talk page. Even that incident was not deemed notable enough to include, with 26 injuries and now pending lawsuits, so 10 very minor injuries are not a reason to include this one. Seriously, you are beginning to look silly in your desperation to include this incident come what may. 217.28.34.132 (talk) 08:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

The Limoges incident was a loss of cabin pressure. It was reported with hysterical headlines at the time (the aircraft plummeted, passengers were screaming, they thought they were going to die, I'll never fly with Ryanair again etc) and there was a long and drawn out debate about it's notability but common sense prevailed in the end.

This latest incident is significant for the reasons we have both pointed out on the talk page. Please do the Wiki a favour and put this Ciampino incident back in to the article. If you don't then someone will waste their time trying to write it up again from scratch and get attacked for Fact or POV failures. 84.9.32.138 (talk) 08:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

No one should write it up from scratch because there is now a note there not to. As I said on the TP, if the argument is that it's the most serious incident because 10 people were hospitalised, that is not the case because 26 were hospitalised at Limoges. This incident looks spectacular, but it is not particularly serious, except for the effect on ops at CIA, which is why it is correctly included on the CIA article. If people want to ignore notes and policy that is up to them, but it doesn't show Misplaced Pages in a good light. Why the rush to include this? Misplaced Pages is not a news source. Let's wait for the dust to settle, and if it proves to be notable I will happily reinsert it myself. BTW, canvassing others to avoid breaching the 3RR rule is a breach in itself. Harry the Dog WOOF 08:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Harry the Dog WOOF 21:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Munich air disaster

The info you added basically reiterated what was said in the Investigation section. Therefore, I moved the reference you added (thanks for that, btw) to the Investigation section. I will be continuing to add info to the article this week, so don't worry. – PeeJay 21:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. The bit about the square of the speed should be re-added, but it definitely doesn't need a whole new section. – PeeJay 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Cheers, but like I said, I didn't remove the ref, I moved it to the Investigation section. – PeeJay 21:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Geotags

Geo Links and Geograph

There are problems with your suggestion- which is the reason I haven't done it. There is a discussion forum Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates that is discussing the whole thing. The crux is that many people are unhappy if the link goes to one site, no matter how useful, and believes that the link should only go to GeoHack, where the reader can choose the map they want. There are a lot of unhappy people there. I have a problem with the way we are doing the conversion. It looks great, but if we edit either gridref or the location then the other doesn't change. In looking for a solution, I have been looking at the maths and a lot doesn't add up, this coupled with the volatility of forum, I have been hanging back. ClemRutter (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, and thanks for the contact. To me this looks good, but (and it is a big but) I'm afraid the issue appears more complex and contentious than I had first anticipated. I'm also not particularly "clued-up" about which system is good and which is bad, which seems to be part of an ongoing debate. All I know is that there should be a standard system, and these should be included as part of the text for settlements in the UK. Have you taken this to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates? -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox geotags- looks as it will take some time. Its on my list! ClemRutter (talk) 01:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Checking inline geotags

• Now the accuracy of OStoWiki has been corrected (+/- 2m) all previous references may need tweaking.
• The GeoHack tool now has a new interface and at the bottom of the GB section, under the dangerously inaccurate grid reference is a fantastic tool called Map of all Coordinates in article.
• I tried it on the Loose stream, and because of it I I'm going to make another tweak to OStoWiki.

ClemRutter (talk) 21:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

It is perfectly safe to use: the next tweak will be an enhancementClemRutter (talk) 23:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Mills

Earlier discussions are archived here

Windmills in Germany

Hallo Mjroots, thank you for your intention to translate the lists into german and for the message on my german talk page. I looked up, where some of my photos are in use and I found your list. In the Mecklenburg-Vorpommern Project we were astonished about your work here. We actually are working on similar lists, see examples for churches, waters, castles and manors. But till now nobody worked at lists of windmills :).

Please let me know on my german talk page, when you are ready in your sandbox, so that I or someone else can read over it and correct last translation errors and links. So we can prevent edit conflicts. I'm sure, that this lists will grow (details, photos, ..) in the future. Thank you again. Greets --DeNiteshift (talk) 19:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I consider whether it is perhaps better to build all lists on your user sides and set it into the article area after this. I only want to prevent that the list gets a deletion request, because it is incomplete. The rules in the German Misplaced Pages are surely harder as here. --DeNiteshift (talk) 19:46, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Btw: de:Windmühlen in Berlin already exists and it's even a featured article. And you don't have to use the translation tool to answer at my talk page, please write in English only. Im rolling on the floor about the Bablefish accident: "Bitte Bär in Gemüt" :) --DeNiteshift (talk) 20:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the main list is ready. I'll also help you with the other lists. Of course we are dependent on the knowledge of the local patriots, when the lists are released. --DeNiteshift (talk) 21:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Brandenburgs list is ready to release. --DeNiteshift (talk) 14:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Thuringia and NRW are ready, too. Greets --DeNiteshift (talk) 04:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Saxony-Anhalt is ready for take-off. --DeNiteshift (talk) 19:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

..and last but not least: Saxony --DeNiteshift (talk) 22:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Turmholländer usw

This could start to get out of hand... I have had a sniff around in :de but not yet in :nl, and the English Windmill article needs a good shaking. I have sorted out the concept of Holländern as anything where just the cap rotates- and from the Dutch reference what a Paltrockmühle must be but I really didn't want to get involved any further at this stage. I keep having a a nagging feeling that a few svgs are needed!ClemRutter (talk) 19:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Starston Windpump

Hello Mjroots

I think the image that you tried to place in the info box is the one that I uploaded at commons from Flicker.Com. I thought it had a common share copyright but I was mistaken and the image has now been deleted. If you can get hold of an image for this page it would been a great contribution to the page. Unfortunately it is at the wrong end of Norfolk for me to photograph.  stavros1  ♣  12:53, 3 November 2008(UTC)

Moses Montefiore Windmill

Yes in was indeed. See the google link here (first several links). I don't know who the Holman Brothers are, but it was bought and from Canterbury and while I've never heard it called the Jaffa Gate Mill it is defintly that, it is right next to Jaffa Gate and it is the mill that was built there for the new community. Epson291 (talk) 22:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

So please add to it, I think that would be great. Epson291 (talk) 22:34, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I looked into it and it was indeed by the Holman Brothers, check out this article here and look at comment (talkback) number four. Epson291 (talk) 22:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for nominating the article. In addition to that user breaking a website link in that edit (because it contained the word Israel in its URL), a common vandalism is to replace every instance of the word "Israel" with "Palestine," regardless of where it's found. Even though the words Ottoman and Palestine are already found in the article, I tweaked the lead a little to include more information on it, but there's no reason not to say what country the city is in, especially when you consider that the windmill is located within Israel proper. Epson291 (talk) 05:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey there. Sorry I haven't checked it out yet. Sometimes I don't check me email for months unless prodded. Did not realize you had sent it already. It's a little late here, so I'll take a gander at it for tomorrow, if you don't mind. I'm just mindlessly perusing some core articles right, looking for big fish to fry (edit) later. ;) Thanks for sending it though and I'll make sure to look at it when I'm a bit more lucid. Tiamut 22:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

High Salvington Windmill

Removing the Myths section caused problems. I asked members to look at the page and come back to me with changes and references, and a few weeks later remind them, and they would eventually look and say that they couldn't find the sections I had referred to, and I would look and see that the sections had been removed, reverse the change and notify the members again. Then, before they had a chance to look, the sections would have been removed again. Directors meet every three months (and all members only get together only three or four times a year), so there tends to be a 3-4 month turnaround on some issues, such as this.

There should now be references for every section and we are working to add to and improve them. This will take time and requires all of our members to be able to see the page, unchanged, for several months, at least. For example, there are 80-odd years of Newcomen Society papers to work through and hundreds of other documents in the Sussex Mills Archive, and elsewhere, that may be pertinent, to look at to identify all of the repetitions of and refutations for the mythology.

We will be convening a history team in the coming months to work on developing the education centre, documenting the known history of the mill and cataloguing and photographing or scanning our collection of artefacts and photographs. It would be useful if we could update the Misplaced Pages page, as and when relevant, as our work progresses. The alternative is that we find an alternative site for any reference material we accumulate, which will almost certainly be copyrighted and not available to Misplaced Pages. We certainly have some members who would prefer this, but I think that would be a shame.

There are a number of myths that we haven't tackled because the facts are obvious to those who began restoring the mill 30 years ago, but nobody thought to document. An example is the published statement, repeated at this Industrial Archeology Society page, that the mill was insured against fire in 1774 by the Sun Insurance Company. I am told that the fire insurance mark (made of lead) that was usually affixed to the outside of a building at that time to signify the insurance, and which provides the date, is a fake. You would have to come to the mill to examine the artefact and have knowledge of the fire insurance marks used by this company. If what I am told is true, then the status of this myth is completely verifiable, but the verifiability is not something that Misplaced Pages is equipped to deal with. So, when you say that Misplaced Pages works on Verifiability, it is a particularly Wikipedian form, that we are going to require time to learn how to accommodate. In this case, I think, simply proving that the fire insurance mark is a fake is insufficient, and we would have to, somehow, demonstrate the completeness of extant Sun Insurance Company records for the period and the absence of a record for our mill. Until we can find and motivate a volunteer to do this, we cannot verify the status of this "myth" in a way that Wikipedians might be satisfied with.

So, while the references for the Myths we have published may not be ideal, they are the Myths we are confident we can adequately refute, especially if enough members have the time to track down the references, working with the page in its current form. Those where we cannot yet refute in a Wikipedian-compatible way, will remain unpublished.

80.177.216.157 (talk) 22:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your pointer to H.E.S. Simmon's notes from the Royal Exchange fire insurance registers. I have yet to narrow this down to a specific reference, or locate a copy, but I expect the library will be able to work with the above description, otherwise I may be able to find the time to visit the Guildhall Library some time in January. I have only found one oblique reference to these notes via Google. Valerie Martin, at Findon Village claims that the mill was insured against fire by "Royal Exchange Insurance" policy No. 33161 dated 1757. As far as I can tell, this predates the earliest of the policies indexed by the project at Birkbeck College, so there may be no index, but with an exact policy number, we should be able to verify or disprove this specific claim. (My colleagues at the Mill Trust tell me that Valerie has used images and text that are the copyright of members without attribution, which has upset them greatly. I shall have to be circumspect in talking to her about the source of her claim as they are very touchy on this subject).

I note that the Peter Hemming book mentioned in the "Further Reading" section repeats some of the nonsense, almost word for word, as published in the old publicity leaflets. It is such a shame that good stories travel further than dry old facts. If you have any suggestions about how I track down copyright holders, they would be appreciated, as I would like to make facsimiles of the old leaflets available.

80.177.216.157 (talk) 14:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

The Glynde Wind Pump

I think that it is time that this had its own page, with a link from the High Salvington Windmill page, but, we have a problem of verifiability for some of the data. We know from knowledge collected over the years by the Sussex Mills Group (part of the Sussex Industrial Architecture Society), SPAB (Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings, and elsewhere, that the pump was used to raise the water for the steam engine that powered the turbines which generated the electricity for the world's first commercial Aerial tramwayTelpherage system at Glynde, but while there are lots of documents that refer to the telpherage, including a facsimile of a London Times article recorded in the New York Times archive, the documents I have seen do not mention the pump. We have access to (copyrighted) photographs of the pump going back to the early 20th Century, and some show the old engine house in the background, which we think still exists, in a semi derelict state. Even if we find a volunteer with the time to contact Lord Hampden's archivist and we can acquire from Andrew Norman (who bought the wind pump from him and removed it from the Glynde estate, and from whom the High Salvington Mill Trust bought it), we may find documents but, unless they are in a published form somewhere, can we cite them as evidence to satisfy Wikipedian ideas of Verifiability?

Perhaps the existing information should be transferred to its own page, but we should record the investigatory process on the discussion page?

80.177.216.157 (talk) 22:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Charente Maritime

Hi Mjroots You are doing a great job of the windmills in France. I own one of the two mills in Loire Sur Nie, and the photos you have on the site were taken by me. My mill is only known as 'Les Groies'. I guess 'Moulin de Mark' has come from a friend of mine in France, but it definately is not it's name. I am sure of the dates I added. Both dates are carved in the stone,...the second one marking the increase in height made in 1888.

Regards

Mark Marklead (talk) 22:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Norfolk Windmills

Hi there, fantastic to hear that you are compiling a list on the subject. The use of the sandbox is a great idea and I will do the same thing; after all two people working on the subject is better than one! keep me updated. - Rackellar (talk) 18:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I will start from Y. Shall keep you updated. - Rackellar (talk) 18:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, I will prune some of the details from the list. Thanks for the advice. - Rackellar (talk) 19:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Just making a note of both Witton Postmills at Brundall and Ridlington. These need to be added later on - Rackellar (talk) 22:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. I've had so much going on that I had to put that on the back burner. I will get back to it this week. What did you need doing? - - Rackellar (talk) 00:45, 15 February2009 (UTC)

Cotton

Normally when I stray into a new area of WP, I find you are already active. However, I have moved into Cotton, starting with List of mills owned by the Lancashire Cotton Corporation Limited and this has led to Stationary Steam Engines and Cotton Processing.. a rich and under developed field-- so do come and join me! --ClemRutter (talk) 17:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Ifield Water Mill

Hi again, Mjroots, and thanks for your note. On the "water mill" vs "watermill" naming, after some deliberation I went for the two-word form as all sources I used preferred that form. I suppose a redirect ought to be set up for the one-word form, at least. There's very little info about the mill machinery, unfortunately: the sources just mention the flow control mechanism being brought in and installed during the restoration. I'm not even sure if the mill is now active again, although I think it may be; that was always the intention of the restoration, anyway. I'll keep a look out for info on this. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 19:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Dutch windmills

Hi, just an update from the Netherlands: at nl.wikipedia we've almost completed writing articles about all 1,169 windmills that are still intact. There's still a lot of photo work to be done (we still need some 250 photos). I'll start working on the watermills soon. Over the last six months or so, many photos of windmills and watermills were uploaded to Commons, and categorised there. If you want me to help updating the lists on en:, just write me a message on my talk page on nl.wikipedia. Regards, Quistnix (talk) 14:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

People

William Thorold

Sorry, I know know nothing more about him. I've added a DOI link to the electronic edition of the obit (requires a subscription, though), or you can read snippets through Google Books. Hqb (talk) 15:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:Paula

I'm unfamiliar with the process, so I went to #wikipedia where someone who knows what their doing should help. --Erroneuz1 (talk) 19:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Jenny Lind

Mjroots, sorry for the confusion under 'New research' on Jenny Lind. It took a little while for me to realized my mistakes :-). Jean de Beaumont (talk) 14:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Cone sisters

Since you did such an excellent job on tweaking my article on Michigan logging wheels, I would like you to look over my latest new article on the Cone sisters. It is a ten-fold expansion of the previous article and I just self nominated it as a DYK. If you see any tweaking that needs done feel free to jump in -OR- if you have any other suggestions, just put them here on your talk page. I appreciate any help I can get from you. Thanks.--Doug 00:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Watts

So far as I can tell, he is a really mobster. Notability is another question, but it doesn't seem to be "disparaging", as BLP forbids, just his resume, so to speak. -- Zanimum (talk) 18:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

Earlier discussions are archived here

Deletion review

I have posted a question at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review#Image:Sarre86.jpg which you may be able to answer. Can you please return to that discussion to answer it? Stifle (talk) 11:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Geograph

I have a bot on Wikimedia Commons that uploads photographs from Geograph:

• commons:User:File_Upload_Bot_(Edward)
• http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&img_user_text=File_Upload_Bot_(Edward)

I've also upload a lot using my regular account:

• http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&img_user_text=Edward

Edward (talk) 19:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

License for Image:Image:Stiens 1974-1.jpg

200px|right|Stiens 1974-1.jpg

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Before I copy this image to the Commons, I wanted to ask whether you would be willing to multilicense your work under an additional license, such as a Creative Commons licence. Creative Commons licences, such as the Attribution Share-Alike license provide a similar copyleft permission to the GFDL, but without some of its requirements such as the distribution of the licence text. All you need to do, is place the additional license tag alongside your current license. Users can choose between which one they want to use the image under. There are many free licenses accepted on Misplaced Pages and Commons which can provide freedoms similar to the GFDL, but without some of its requirements.

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Thanks! --Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

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Places

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Waunakee

Congratulations on the resolution of that situation. (But I expect that the issue will return.) --Orlady (talk) 01:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Canterbury

Sorry about that and thank you. I had both Canterbury pages open and was obviously not paying close enough attention to which one I was editing. --Tearanz (talk) 03:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Stanmer Church

Hi Mjroots, and thanks for your note. Unfortunately I didn't get a pic of the wellhouse or donkey wheel when I was down at Stanmer; it's in a bit of an awkward position, and isn't in the best condition at the moment. There's some controversy at the moment about the city council's apparent reluctance to restore it. If I get another chance to go to Stanmer, I'll have another go. (It's rather difficult to get to for non-drivers like me, although there is a summer-weekend-only bus!) Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Wormshill

Hi. Thanks for the tip about Hasted. I think I've plundered that source already for info on Wormshill but am always keen to hear of more sources. Thanks for stopping by Dick G (talk) 07:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Cranbrook

 DoneClemRutter (talk) 10:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Tolleshunt Knights

• Apologies, I've replied on my talk page but in case you miss it, I was using AWB so I'm not sure what went wrong. Apologies again.Paste 13:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

RNAS Grain

Thanks for the suggestion about the Kent group. I may get in touch with them about the location and various establishments on the Isle of Grain, but for aviation input Nigel Ish has taken up the challenge and has already created articles for three of the Port Victoria aircraft. The hole is being plugged! --TraceyR (talk) 21:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Middlesbrough

Hi. Well done with all your work on SS Empire Amethyst. I hope you do not mind my pointing out, in case it comes up again, that Middlesbrough is spelt thus, and not Middlesborough, which is in Kentucky. Cheers! DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 10:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Franks Hall

Hello, I am coming to you directly instead of going to anyone else, because I believe that, under AGF, this is an error and not intentional. The original page was deleted as a copyright violation. This prompted me to see if there was anything still that could be considered such. I noticed a few lines that were too similar for comfort and should be addressed. In particularly:

• From Wiki: "He used the building more like a barn than a house"
• From Reference: "He used the ground floor more as a barn than a house"

Please go through and make sure to change this. If you like the wording, please place it in quotes and attribute it directly. However, wording as in the above would be too similar. I hope this makes sense and I hope you can do this quickly. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I will check it again later. Just make sure that there isn't any major duplications of phrases, or more than a four or five words in a sentence that looks the same. Accusations of plagiarism are nasty around here and I mostly want to protect you from that headache. Later, I will pass it through, but just make sure to protect yourself. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Railways

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BS icons

Hi Mjroots,

you discovered the 4th dimension? ... a tunnel track leading over a surface track! You must tell me how that works ;-) Axpde (talk) 15:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

RE: Réseau des Bains de Mer

You're welcome. But as my Babel stated, I know no foreign languages other than English and Russian, I'm not helpful in writing/translating the French article. If you're asking for help in improving the route diagram, I will try my best to interpret the French or their syntax. Which FR diagram you're making? The hand-drawn map in Réseau des Bains de Mer? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 09:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I have the idea what causes the route diagram in FR WP to break apart. And this "disaster" also occurs in many other FR route map. It's because the lack of {{railway line header}}. I am transplanting one to FR fr:Modèle:Railway line header but there's a warning and immediately hide my diagram. You should check it out: fr:Utilisateur:Sameboat/sandbox -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 12:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Removed the collapse call of railway line header and the problem solved. The remaining task is moving the fr:Modèle:Railway line header to a French title and solving the break apart disaster of other FR route map... -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry about causing trouble in French Misplaced Pages because I was aggressively adding {Railway line header} to most FR rail infobox. While I didn't realize that the route map break apart issue doesn't happen in other browser (by far the Firefox) while they do look bad in MS IE based browsers without the Railway line header. I have checked the discussion in fr:Discussion Projet:Ferrovipédia#Introduction massive de modèle dans les articles de Ferrovipédia and understand (using online translator) that they're upset by my edits but I don't know how to explain to them. But I'm trying my best to adjust the fr:template:BS-données (testing in my sandbox: fr:user:sameboat/x2, fr:user:sameboat/sandbox.) Hoping it would look agreeable in both browsers. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 15:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Tornado

Hey, thanks for your input on the talk page, have made a further contribution myself to try to encourage the three parties involved to calm down a bit, otherwise I can see it heading down the path you described.... Thanks for wading in though! :o) ColourSarge (talk) 17:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your further comments on my talk page, and I am getting very weary of the somewhat childish position taken by all three of them that "their position is correct, everything else is bobbins" to the exclusion of any reasoned argument. It seems to me that they are failing to realise that taking contrary positions and quoting sources at each other is not the way to reach consensus, but that they need to find areas of common ground to build upon and then agree to disagree where they can't reconcile their POVs. I also see that my appeal for them to take a step back has fallen on deaf ears, but being somewhat inexperienced in conflict resolution I am not entirely sure what the next logical step is - although it does seem to me that perhaps we need some further neutral editor input on this one. I'd hate to think what a new editor would make of this if that happens to be the first talk page they happen across... I'll maybe do some digging through and see if the (RFC was it?) is appropriate and submit a report if they have not calmed down by tomorrow evening. :o) ColourSarge (talk) 00:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Mj, as per your conv with Elkman below, are you requesting admin assistance with this one? I checked the Request for Comment last night and there has been no interest (which a user on the RFC talk page says is not uncommon and suggests raising the issue at the relevant project talk pages. As you know I have already done this at UK Railways, but may now do so at Trains as well just for completeness. However this morning there appears to be yet another aggressive posting from one of the users involved - something needs to be done about this, I'm just unsure where to go with it! ColourSarge (talk) 08:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've left a note here and notified via the article talk page, with yet another appeal to the editors involved to take a step back from the article and remain civil on the talk page. If you need any support in taking this further, please let me know as I too feel that the situation has gone on too long. ColourSarge (talk) 08:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind, I've added a note to WP:AN/I adding my support to your statement. ColourSarge (talk) 08:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Please modify your AN/I post. If you look again at both the formal mediation page and the mediation cabal page, and possibly the article talk or his talk, I did not refuse to formally meditate. Biscuittin basically has a very poor understanding of the wiki DR process. First I had to start the Rfc for him, then, before it had run the recommended 30 days, he initiated two mediations simultaneously, in the cabal and the committee. I must have explained this error and that they are two separate things about 5 times, he was having none of it. The cabal page is actually theoretically active, so there was no need to join the formal mediation page. His formal mediation page was out of process, and then abandoned by him, not me. MickMacNee (talk) 14:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

LNER Peppercorn Class A1

Could you get another admin to look into the problems at LNER Peppercorn Class A1 and keep a watch on it? I don't think I'm very suitable at the moment for addressing the user conduct issues in this article. In fact, I'm having a problem with my own conduct right now -- on and off Misplaced Pages -- and I'm convinced I shouldn't try to mediate a dispute. It would be rather hypocritical of me right now. --Elkman 00:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the LNER Peppercorn Class A1

I am trying to be civil, believe me, and trying to fully establish a case there. I'm not quite finished yet, but I believe that Biscuittin (talk · contribs), Bhtpbank (talk · contribs) and I are in general agreement.

I have summarised the main points at User:Tony May/A1, and am willing to compromise on some issues. I have sought external advice on this matter, and will try to provide you with more information shortly. Presently the article is a proper mess. The list of locomotives also does not match any sources.

I believe I am being significantly less aggressive than the other participant who is trying to WP:OWN the article.

And to clarify, please Bhtpbank (talk · contribs) is not my sockpuppet, I really don't have a clue who he is. You can check if you really need to. Tony May (talk) 22:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Peppercorn A1

Thank you for your message. I have replied on my talk page. Biscuittin (talk) 11:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Rivers

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River Len

Mike I feel quite pleased with myself! I had found the relatively new Geobox|rivers at River Trent and investigated. You will now see the result at this article (I took an easy one first!). There may well be other information - I couldn't work out the coordinates, and in any case a river covers more than one; couldn't find the exact length; and dunno if there is anywhere to be able to get flow rates etc. You may well be able to add more tributaries - I took the ones you had alraedy mentioned under the mills. None of the blanks come out until you give some information. I had also discovered the exact location of the source - a historical document on the Medway; I'm sure you also know more about its course, although perhaps that isn't too important. Peter Peter Shearan (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Mill symbols

As you see I have put two new symbols into your sandbox article. Just a quick fix. Using mills in this way is quite an extension. Come September we need to define what symbols we need- mills with weirs for example, millponds goits. I have been visiting the Dark Peak and realise how much more important water engineering was in the 1780s and the growth of the Cotton Industry. Still I am taking a break now. ClemRutter (talk) 08:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Ships

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re:SS Corvus

Hi Mj. I would in no mather insist on it being GT and not GRT, I was merely going by the source provided for the information, warsailors.com. That source says GT, so I figured since it was the cited source and that's what it said, then that had to be correct. If you've got a better source that says differently, then by all means go with GRT and cite your source for it. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 23:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Your recent change to Morion

Hi I note you have made a number of additions of ship names to redirect pages recently. This is great, and will certainly assist readers in finding the right article. However, your entries don't follow the normal rules for entries on disambiguation pages at MOS:DAB. Is there any reason you think these particular entries require more than one link? Thanks. --Rogerb67 (talk) 13:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Sport

Hadlow Cricket Club

My pleasure. A pity there is not more data about the old club. Regards. --Jim Hardie (talk) 16:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Slindon Cricket Club

Hello again, Mjroots, and thank you very much for the nomination. But really I have done nothing except split the cricket content from the village article per your own action re Hadlow and Hadlow Cricket Club. The author of all the Slindon cricket information seems to have been User:BlackJack. Best wishes. --Jim Hardie (talk) 21:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello again, Mjroots. I've done the inline citations for this article: could you take a look and let me know if it is okay? Thanks again. Best regards. --Jim Hardie (talk) 20:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, Michael, it's there. Nice to see. Thanks very much for your efforts. Best wishes. --Jim Hardie (talk) 18:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Oz GP

This is an unbelievable race! I haven't seen anything of Hamilton, he's had a boring race lol. Nakajima might even get a point here...

Kubica

I realised it wasn't intentional vandalism - sorry if I gave the impression that it thought it was. Cheers. DH85868993 (talk) 08:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: My editing

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DYK entry issue

Hello! Your submission of Lympne Airport at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Nsk92 (talk) 02:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination:Turkish Airlines Flight 634

Hi Mjroots! You did well. Thanks a lot for the DYK nomination of the article Turkish Airlines Flight 634. Cheers! CeeGee (talk) 08:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Coordinate templates

Please note that the old coor * family of coordinate templates are now deprecated in favour of {{Coord}}. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:27, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. Will try to remember in future. does this apply to {{oscoor}} too? If so, what do you use to produce a grid ref? Mjroots (talk) 17:31, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I used the correct template, so why was my edit reverted as "unnecessary". Co-ordinates have been given in degrees, minutes and seconds for centuries. Mjroots (talk) 17:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

{{Coord}} is designed to take input in DMS format or decimal format (also used for centuries) and output both. Please read its documentation. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of MV Domala

Hello! Your submission of MV Domala at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Shubinator (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I've accepted it. Nice article by the way. Shubinator (talk) 22:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of SS Benalbanach (1946)

Hello! Your submission of SS Benalbanach (1946) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Shubinator (talk) 06:05, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Red Star Belgrade and the Munich air disaster

The only association that Red Star Belgrade has with the Munich air disaster is that they were Manchester United's last opponents before the crash. The accident did not affect Red Star in any way. – PeeJay 11:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Category:Railway stations not opened

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I blanked the category page. This will not, in itself, cause the category to be deleted. It serves to document (in the page history) that the category was empty at the time of blanking and also to alert other watchers that the category is in jeopardy. You are welcome to revert the blanking if you wish. However, doing so will not prevent deletion if the category remains empty.

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Best regards, --Stepheng3 (talk) 20:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your cooperation. --Stepheng3 (talk) 05:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to say thank you...

... for this and your support and confidence -- Tinu Cherian - 08:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Other users

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FPAS RFC

As a participant in the recent discussion at WP:ANI, I thought you should be informed of the new RFC that another user has started regarding FPAS's behavior.

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Future Perfect at Sunrise

Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 15:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: IP Vandal

The IP was blocked yesterday and so far, hasn't edited since then. Spellcast (talk) 08:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Hnq

Hi, the page is deleted. In the future, you can place a speedy tag on the page; it was blatant spam. Kindly, Lazulilasher (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

AFD HD-question

I've left another comment. - Mgm| 11:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

World Wars

The consensus is that the articles are named World War I and World War II; everything else is a redirect to those names. The proportion of articles linked to World War I vs World War One and World War II vs World War Two are each about 50,000 to 1. Thanks. Hmains (talk) 17:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

3RR

I think you will find that two of my reversions on Ryanair were on the evening of 10 November, and three in the evening of 11 November. I stopped reverting at that point to avoid breaching the 3RR, even though my edit was again reverted. Harry the Dog WOOF 09:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: SS Empire Advocate DYK

Oops! I meant German ref...sorry! —Politizer /_contribs 02:25, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Sandbox & Categories

Thanks for that, never too old to learn something new. Regards, Spy007au (talk) 11:49, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

About 3RR message you left me

The 3RR does not apply when reverting vandalism. I was reverting the removal of sourced material by an Anon. Furthermore, I left a comment about what was going on in the talk page. Please mind your warnings, check the editing history and read the talk pages before issuing a nonsense warning. Also, please check the text of the 3RR. Thank you.--Legion fi (talk) 05:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree there is no need to take this any further. But I want to clarify one thing. I didn't removed sourced material. In fact, I reverted the removal of it. That is why I was telling you to check the edit history. The anon vandalized the page by removing the sourced content. I simply reverted the removal. And plus, I warned in the talk page about what was going on (me reverting vandalism). Please check your facts before using templates. The anon removed the sourced content, not me. Thanks again. --Legion fi (talk) 01:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

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Title change discussion for November 11, 2008 incident off Somalia

During the deletion discussion for November 11, 2008 incident off Somalia, you suggested that the name of the article should be changed. I have now started a title change discussion (which can be found here: ) for the article, and I was wondering if you could contribute to it. Thank you very much in advance if you do so. Thanks for reading. BlueVine (talk) 16:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Wol

Regarding your post to the Owl (Winnie the Pooh) page, how did I know to contact you before I removed the reference? (genuine question, not sarcasm) Lstanley1979 (talk) 15:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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Dates on cite templates

I was browsing and realised that I am still seeing citation dates as 2008-12-24. As you bought this to my attention a while back, I wondered if you knew what the latest status was. I cannot find anywhere with an up to date discussion. Merry Christmas ++ MortimerCat (talk) 20:09, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Hello Mjroots! I just wanted to wish you and your family a merry Christmas! May this Christmas be full of great cheer and holiday spirit. Have a great day and a wonderful New Year, from The Bald One 12:00, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Keeping you in the picture

I have needed a flow chart for a long time. I thought you might like to see what I have achieved so far Cotton processing flowchart. I have been spending a little time looking at bigger mills, and written a info box see it in use at Masson Mill. Both may be of use to you. Clem --ClemRutter (talk) 18:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

April Fools DYK?

Hey, MJ, would you be interested in collaborating with me on an April Fools double DYK nom? I'm looking to add two ship articles: one from the WWI era, and one from the WWII era. I thought if you were interested, you could write the WWII-era article. Let me know if you're interested, and I can fill in the details. Thanks. — Bellhalla (talk) 12:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

If you could write an article for the Ellerman Lines ship SS Lesbian (1923), I'll write about their former SS Lesbian (1915). I was thinking about a hook like this:

…that the Ellerman Lines employed two Lesbians in the early 20th century but both met with tragic fates in the Mediterranean, one in World War I, and the other in World War II?

Other than the usual sources available, like Plimsoll, Convoyweb, etc.; I've found a source for the second one that might be helpful: http://www.nisd-online.com/article-122506-HMSVictoriaATechnicalDivingJourneyToLebanon.shtm. (I also thought of an alternative hook involving only the latter ship, but I'm pretty sure it would be too ribald for the Main Page.) — Bellhalla (talk) 13:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'd seen that there was an older one, but Miramar showed it as Leyland Line (I think). How about either:

…that the Ellerman Lines employed three Lesbians in the early 20th century but two met with tragic fates in the Mediterranean, one in World War I, and the other in World War II?

or:

…that John Ellerman employed not one, not two, but three lesbians in the early 20th century?

This will give a little context and helps avoid the rather suggestive had. If we want to get suggestive, we could always use only the third ship and say:

"…that you can pay to go down on a Lesbian in Beirut?

(no offense intended to anyone reading this.) — Bellhalla (talk) 00:39, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Dutch question for you…

I saw your Dutch language box and I'm hoping that you might be able to glean something from a small scan of a ship-related document in Dutch. Most of the poster seems to relate to fares and baggage rules, but it looks like the very top section might detail arrival & departure times for ships of the Batavier Line in Rotterdam and London. Do you think you could take a look and see if that's correct, or if you can even read it? I'm working on Batavier Line, and three of their ships—Batavier II, Batavier III, and Batavier V—and some indication of the length of the journey would be very helpful. Many thanks in advance. — Bellhalla (talk) 15:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Well thanks for trying, anyway. One question though: what do the English "a.m." and "p.m." translate to in Dutch? — Bellhalla (talk) 16:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Kent and East Sussex Railway Diagram

Re you request concerning Robertsbridge station on another talk page, I've just looked on Google Earth and the preservation area there is separated by a car park from the current Network Rail station although there seems to be a bay platform. Is it the case that the KESR formerly ran into its own platform in the main station and the current preserved line runs into the former goods yard, as it seems? Britmax (talk) 23:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)