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• Archive 1: August 2003 - July 2004
• Archive 2: August 2004 - July 2005
• Archive 3: August 2005 -

Europe first

I'm sorry, I don't understand – I'm perfectly able to accept if I've made a mistake, but how are the two paragraphs you reverted back into the Europe first article after I'd removed them not complete word-for-word cut-and-paste copies of passages already appearing in that section? I'm going to remove them again, I'm afraid, as it's clearly an error on someone's part. Angmering 21:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Whoops - I mis-interpreted what you were doing. My bad. →Raul654 22:01, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

No problem – just glad to know I hadn't gone mad and wasn't seeing something that wasn't there! :-) Angmering 22:04, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Editing edit summaries

moved from userpage. ∞Who?¿? 09:01, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi. Is it possible to edit the edit summaries that appear of the history pages? Or maybe delete one revision? Jmturner included his email address in his summary on history: USS Elliot (DD-967), and on reflection, would rather not have done that. —wwoods 08:52, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

The developers can delete individual revisions, and have done it in the past, but only rather exceptional circumstances (like when Perl posted a bunch of Angela's personal information (name, address, phone number, where she worked, 'etc). If your friend would like that particular revision wiped (or possibly the edit summary modified, although I am not sure if that's possible) then he'll have to go to #wikimedia-tech and ask the developers. →Raul654 09:07, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Iraqi insurgency

I removed it from the list of featured articles because, in its current state, it appeared to be obviously a far more serious embarrassment to Misplaced Pages than either Jane Fonda or Bill Gates was. I'm not going to jump through hoops on this. If you disagree with my assessment of the article, fine. --Tony Sidaway 22:22, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I was just getting around to doing this (sorry for the 24 hour delay) but I see WorldTraveler beat me to it. →Raul654 04:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

E9

E9 doesn't mention billion. --nixie 05:33, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I have fixed both the article and the write up to go to Billion#10.5E9 →Raul654 05:36, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

NYC meetup pictures

Hi Raul, most of the pictures at Misplaced Pages:Meetup/NYC1 are speedyable under CSD I5 (non-commercial use, not used in an article). If they can't be released under a different license I'll have them deleted... which would be a pity... Coffee 06:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, same with Misplaced Pages:Meetup/DC1. Coffee 06:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll look into this sometime this week. →Raul654 05:14, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Any word from The Man? Coffee 11:29, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Are your ears burning?

They should be, because A Link to the Past dropped your name in a ongoing debate on my talk page. ALttP said that you agreed with him on at least one of his objections to WP:FICT; I'm not sure about the details (and as such can't really make my own case), because your conversation was apparently conducted via IRC or e-mail.

A sane voice (even one that disagreed with me) in this discussion would be appreciated. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 05:15, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Dien Bien Phu

It doesn't look too bad to me. What in your view is the problem with it? Adam 06:14, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

At the moment, I don't think the article has any significant issues, although:

1. It's very incomplete. In the last few days, I've rewritten/expanded the introduction, background, and operation castor sections (see this diff), but I still haven't touched the battle and aftermath sections.
2. It lacks references. Right now, I'm relying very heavily on a single source (albeit a good one - Phillip Davidson's History of Vietnam)

The reason for my request on your talk page is that, not being a historian myself, I wanted to get a second opinion on it before I submitted it on Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates. For the sections I've written so far, have I omitted or understated anything important? →Raul654 06:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't claim any particular expertise on the French Indo-China war. All I meant was that it read OK and it didn't seem to have any POV problems. No doubt it needs vetting by someone who is expert on the details. Adam 06:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: your snide comments about "consensus" on Clitoris

We simply differ on what a "consensus" is. I think it's a general accord, not simply a supermajority. I think that there was an "agreement" to keep the picture on the page because you blocked and harassed editors who didn't want it (including me). You didn't address the arguments that were put forward, which were far more compelling than "we won a vote, yah boo sucks". As I said on the talkpage of clitoris, Mark, those who are in a majority generally like to bellow about having a "consensus" represented by votes. They tend to prefer compromise when they feel they are less likely to win a vote. But is that a good way to resolve issues? Is your aim simply to win, regardless of the bitterness caused? I guess it is. I've never seen any sign that you actually welcome solutions that are inclusive. I tried very hard to work towards a solution for clitoris that would genuinely satisfy both camps. You didn't. You worked to silence dissent and to ensure that the voices of the people who find those kinds of pictures offensive (however misguided) went unheard. You can yell all you like about censorship, Mark, but censors work in all sorts of ways. You've made it so no one who disagrees with your stance on the picture can be heard. And when it was voted on, it was nowhere near unanimous; leaving aside the truth that you must be aware of that distaste for the picture is probably more widespread in our potential readership than it is among the rather unrepresentative sample of it that edits Misplaced Pages. -- Grace Note

The arguments put forward amounted to "but think of the children!!". Misplaced Pages is not censored. This clear and unambigious policy statement didn't seem to deter you in the least (and let's not pretend there were a lot of people pushing to remove the picture - the arbcom finding of fact was clear on this point). By the same token, why should we (the many people who opposed your crusade to censor that article) compromise our not-censored policy? You say that "silencing" people who don't want to abide by established policies is censorship, a laughable claim. By your logic, the police are practicing censorship when they arrest criminals.

As to the distaste for the picture - yes, it must be rather bad, since we've recieved exactly 0 complaints about it on: OTRS, wikien-l, talk:Clitoris, talk:main page, 'etc. Phew - the complaints just keep rolling in. →Raul654 18:26, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Pic of the Day

Hi Mark,

Just to let you know that your photo Image:Hippo skull dark.jpg is due up for Pic of the Day on the 15th. As this will be a weekend, it will also appear on the Main Page. You can review and correct the associated caption at Misplaced Pages:Picture of the day/October 15, 2005. It was a bit of struggle to get several of the pages save (especially on page protections), so something could easily be out of wack. If I get a chance I'll double check the page protections before Saturday, when response times are a little better. -- Solipsist 20:04, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Beethoven sonata

The titles should be normalized. The piece you asked about is in C Major. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 01:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

IRC

Sorry, I'd ducked out for a little while. Feel free to email me about whatever it was you wanted to mention. Ambi 10:29, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: A request

I'd be happy (and honored) to do it, but just one problem: my computer isn't hooked up to any recording devices. Is there any way I could record using a tape player and then transfer it to the computer? (Probably not, but it's worth a try. If you can't tell already, I've never recorded audio onto a computer before...) Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 00:21, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Ideally, the best way to do it (without a recording studio) would be to hook a mic into your sound card's mic input.

If that's not an option, then you need a casette player with a headphone out. You record your performance into a cassette tape, and then you connect the headphone out of the tape player to the mic input of the computer; start recording on the computer, and then start playback on the tape player. The quality won't be great, but if all goes well, it shouldn't be too bad. I suggest you use Audacity to capture the recording and encode the ogg - see Misplaced Pages:Media →Raul654 01:09, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Sheet music

If I submit instrumental music to Misplaced Pages, does it have to be played from public domain sheet music? --HappyCamper 19:53, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I talked with Jamesday about this a while back. Even if the original music itself is not copyrighted (like one of Beethoven's sonatas), the sheet music you use has to be "musically identical" to the original (.e.g, no changed notes). →Raul654 19:57, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

As such, Mutopia is a good source for such sheet music. →Raul654 19:57, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Some pieces I can play are not there. What if I wrote everything out so it is "musically identical" to the original, released the picture of it as GFDL, and played from that? --HappyCamper

That would be fine. →Raul654 20:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah, wonderful! Thanks for your help. --HappyCamper 20:08, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Just to clarify - if you write the music out, you don't have to release the picture under the GFDL at all -- you only have to do it if you want to put it on wikipedia. →Raul654 20:21, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I see. But then, how would an external person be able to verify that the recording was produced in a way which is compatible with the GFDL? --HappyCamper 20:37, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

They would cite the copyright tag on wikipedia. While not necessary, I suppose having the sheet music readily at hand would make hte verification process smoother. →Raul654 20:40, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Raul

I am very sorry to bug you, but I think I may need to change my name again. I was informed that my user name is borderline to the "username policy" because it insinuates violence (i.e. Molotov cocktail)and refers to a historical figure. I think I ought to change it to "Encyclopedist" or something of that nature. I really don't mean to bother you or "jump in front" of other people in line - but I just wanted to personally tell you this. Molotov (talk)
03:07, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I have bad news for you, but the change-username function is disabled now and for the forseeable future (and may never come back). But I don't really see any problems with your username. I mean, yes, it's obviously similiar to those things, but who cares? I consider it a non-issue. →Raul654 03:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Raul, a question about FAs

Raul, being in the position you are in, you are probably the best question to ask this to. My question is this: at the moment, are we promoting enough FAs to "cover ourselves", in the sense that every week 7 articles appear on the Main Page and thus we should need to promote 7 a week (or more, because some will probably never be on the Main Page) to keep pace. Is that happening currently? Batmanand 10:06, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Last I checked, we had promoted 295 featured articles in teh first 280 days of 2005. So yes, we are promotong just over one per day on average. →Raul654 15:24, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Excellent news, thank you. Batmanand 16:13, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Texas rangers

Dear Raul! Thank you so very much for your discernment and good judgment, in deciding that it was consensus.--Wiglaf 17:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Redirecting

Thanks for the instructions. By the way, you might want to block me for my severe vandalism. 172 | Talk 17:59, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:RFAR/SV

Re: Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Stevertigo/Proposed_decision#Ommision_of_fact

I understand that some are quite busy and may have missed recent discussion and questions regarding my Arbcom matter. Ive taken the liberty of posting here to remedy any inadvertent oversight regarding my case. Sinreg, St|eve 22:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Mainpage Article for October 30

Hey Raul654, while adding the mainpage date to come templates to the articles your currently adding or just finished adding, I noticed that for October 30th the article's main link redirects to Speaker (politics) when it should go to Speaker of the British House of Commons. I think it's better if you change them because the one it redirects to right now is not the featured article that is intended. Thanks. PRueda29 00:44, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

'Fixed. (In the future, you don't even have to ask me -- feel free to fix obvious mistakes like that) →Raul654 00:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Well the page was protected and I don't have admin privileges; when I do have themm, though, I'll be sure to remember that. PRueda29 00:50, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Take no offense

But Misplaced Pages is your life, right? You spend a lot of time on it. Is your work actually appreciated here? I mean, I would never edit so much. Anyway, what yourn doing is great.

Dirty tricks

I see that you reverted my addition of the NPOV tag at Dirty tricks. Do you deny that my edit summary comment is accurate? Indeed, as I see it, my comment it is accurate; that article is "screed" and is POV. Please get back to me with your thinking about this. Thanks.

Rex071404 06:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Stop?

Regarding what you wrote on PZFUN usertalk, I have to disagree with you. The classic template we use on talk is obviously a monster not fit for mainpage, but something like his Template:featuredarticle seems quite appropriate to me (although it can use some work to make it more pretty :) ). While I've been thinking of a template to go near the lead/header, if you find this appalling, I guess we can compromise at putting the template near the end of the article. What do you think? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:06, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I do find it (the whole idea of having a template on the article itself) appalling, and here's why -- a featured article is supposed to demonstate the best practices we have on wikipedia. This means it's supposed to be easily redistributable. Putting metadata into articles runs directly counter to this -- it makes it difficult-if-not-impossible to run a good mirror of wikipedia. That's why I oppose putting metadata in all articles, especially the featured articles. It might make it slightly better here (on wikipedia), but such templates cause tremendous problems elsewhere. →Raul654 16:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

It would be nice if folks could pull all[REDACTED] metadata from an article "before shipping".... hmmm.... actually there might be a way to set that up, or it might even already exist. I do wonder if it would survive tfd though :-P.

At the same time though, the german[REDACTED] apparently uses these discrete stars on featured articles. Maybe we should check de.wikipedia and see what's up. (Delphine keeps telling that she's utterly jealous of these folks, so I tend to think it might be interesting to steal their cool ideas too ;-) ) Kim Bruning 06:53, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: A Request

Sorry, I just saw your response above this post. I'll try my best, but hooking up my computer isn't high on my list of priorities. It may take a while. Also, just for your information, the issue featuring all the current Arbitratiors came out in this week's Signpost; if you want to read your fellow Arbitrators' full responses, you can find them here. Thanks again! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 21:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Ali Sina

Hey, sorry... but could you check this out. Not sure would you could do but you will notice that User:OceanSplash's comments are completely uncalled for, referring to my Jihadi brothers :), haha, but more importantly it's just the endemic FFI problem resurging. See http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12838 for a new thread about it all. I'm not sure what you can do about this but... if you at least talk to people higher up let them know that good editors are put under undo stress because of this crap. gren グレン 07:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, let us not forget http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11216 I know offsite problems really aren't your issue, but could you at least let me know if Jimbo and those highly involved see this kind of thing. I know Raul mentioned advertising campaigns hitting wikipedia. Thanks again. gren グレン 07:17, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I just pasted that to User:SlimVirgin but inso doing realized that this kind of thing is far too frequent to pester admins about. I wanted to know what the reaction to this kind of thing is. If nothing else I wanted to make you explicitly aware that this kind of thing is going on in case you didn't know. Hope you're having fun in the lab :) gren グレン 07:21, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12815&highlight=wikipedia too. gren グレン 07:23, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Yikes - gimme a sec. →Raul654 07:23, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just mentioning what I had posted to Sarah. It wasn't meant to be pressure. Thanks for responding there. (I have to get used to you responding on your own page -- I would watch your page but it would always be at the top of my list you get so many messages) gren グレン 05:54, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

John Gotti Image

Hello I write on behalf of the Open University and have been directed to you regarding the image of John Gotti found on the following weblink. http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:John_Gotti.jpg .I was told that you might be able to tell me where you got the image from since you uploaded it. We request for the copyright details for its re-use by our course team.

Many thanks t.adekunle@open.ac.uk

Sorry, but I do not remember exactly where I got that image. I uploaded it back when we weren't emphasizing the need for image-sources like we do today. It was from some site on the web I found using the google image search. →Raul654 21:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Flame War

Oh, OK. I have seem your comment on my page. I removed my comments of WP:RD/SCI anyways. Thanks. My apologies

Dont't get annoyed by that things 'bout your mother. Disconsider them. Next time your hear them from me, just reply (in Portuguese):

"Não bota minha mãe no meio, que eu boto no meio da tua."

Wich roughly translates to:

"Don't put my mother in, or I'll put in (that is: fuck) yours".

<tt>;)</tt> --User:Mdob | Talk 11:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Isaac Newton

Thanks for featuring the Isaac Newton article. However, there were some issues brought up in the FAC that I don't think I've dealt with adequately, and I can't spend to much time on WP this week to fix them, so can you please don't put it on the main page until I tweaked it a little bit, maybe this weekend? Thanks. Borisblue 17:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Acknowledged. →Raul654 22:01, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Imfamous Felix the Cat Incident

Hi, Raul. On Misplaced Pages talk:Featured articles you mentioned the "infamous Felix the Cat incident" as one of the reasons that various parts of the main page are now protected. I was out of the country when Felix the Cat was on the main page, so I missed this, whatever it was. Can you give me the details or point me somewhere I can find them? Thanks! BrianSmithson 17:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure of the chain of events, but it goes something like this -- I scheduled felix the cat for the main page. While it was on the main page, some anonymous vandal uploaded an unpleasant image over Image:Felix.jpg, which was used on the main page at the time. I *think* he used the goatse image (but I'm not positive). Someone reverted him, he reverted back to goatse, and a melee ensued. After that, I started protecting all main page blurbs as a matter of course (and other people started taking care to protect the images as well). →Raul654 22:00, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Poor Felix. And poor man with enormous . . . well, poor man. At least they helped improve Misplaced Pages. :) And thanks for the info. BrianSmithson 02:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Would you consider

The William Lynch Speech or Racial portrayals of Jesus for the Featured article someday, and if not those Ranks of the People's Liberation Army? Molotov (talk)
22:10, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

• An article cannot be the main page featured article without first being promoted to featured article. YOu have to nominate them on Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates. I'll warn you in advance though - at this moment, none of those articles meet the featured article criteria

1. Ranks of the People's Liberation Army is very list heavy (e.g., it's one big, long list) which is bad. You might want to consider nominating it as a featured list candidate.
2. Racial portrayals of Jesus is NPOV disputed, which is very, very bad.
3. William Lynch Speech needs references, and probably needs more information on its origins

I hope that answers your question. →Raul654 22:18, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

No the second one was a tag I had just added - since I am the only contributor I had taken it back off. The third I had added sources. Thanks Raul!Molotov (talk)
22:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I just noticed that someone had added that unappropriate cleanup tag to William Lynch. It was only a mistake in words - the speech itself is not copyrighted, and should thus be kept in its form. Thus, I simply created a POV tag on it - but still taking it out of the pick. The Racial portrayals of Jesus is brand new and I think I had done a good job on it. Molotov (talk)
22:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Let's just forget I said anything about this. I will nominate that William Lynch Speech as soon as the dispute blows over. I thank you for all that you do

Molotov (talk)
22:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Virtual Tour sister project

I've started a proposal page for a sister project called "Wikitour" that would lend itself directly to Misplaced Pages. Whereas Commons hosts individual images of places/things that have articles on Misplaced Pages, Wikitour would host "virtual tours" of these places/things.

The basic idea is as follows: a user submits numerous photos of a notable place, which are organized into pages/subpages to create a navigable environment similar to that in Myst, Riven, or the graphical Zork games; the navigation system would be on Wikitour, while the files themselves would be on Commons, with a link in the respective article on WP; examples include castles, museums, caverns, mountains, college campuses, typical mosques or churches, archaeological sites, etc. Basically, any topic that has an article on Misplaced Pages has the possibility of its own entry in Wikitour. Users could also submit photos of an object from various sides/angles/distances, rather than a place. For art galleries, this could instead consist of previously uploaded images of paintings/sculptures, which are organized into a single page, representing the contents of a specific art gallery. Please leave your impressions/suggestions at Talk:Wikitour. Thanks. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-21 20:06

(CC'd from that talk page) I think it's an interesting idea, but I'm not convinced of the usefulness. Those concerns aside, my suggestion for the first place to do it would be for the mall area of Washington DC - lots of landmarks in nearby areas with pictures already available on commons. Raul654 21:34, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Schabir Shaik Trial

Hey there, I saw that Schabir Shaik Trial was taken off of the FAC page, but I was wondering if its nomination failed or was successful. I know that there weren't that many votes either way, mosly comments, but I'm curious so I can know about whether it was successful or if I should consider relisting it at a later date. Thanks! PZFUN.

It failed - there was no notification because I leave fac-faileed tagging violetriga (which usually takes a few hours) →Raul654 21:35, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Boothy

Hey. Going through my RfA I was surprised to see so few opposes. When I got my first from Boothy443 I was wondering what I needed to fix since I have not ever really seen them around before despite their numerous edits. I asked him (User_talk:Boothy443/Archive_5#My_RfA_as_well) about it and he responded (User_talk:Grenavitar#RE:VFA). I was wondering if you could tell me if this is something I should be worried about. I really did want constructive criticism and the response was to withdrawl my nomination and I could not get anything more out of it. Right now I just don't understand. gren グレン 05:44, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

No, I do not thing it is something you should be worried about. →Raul654 21:38, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Cut and paste move

The article on Beethoven's sonata already existed with two different names. I only deleted the content of the improperly named article and replaced it with a redirect. If I understand how things should be done, I didn't do anything wrong (at least there was no other way to fix the problem). Greetings, --Missmarple 07:16, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

True, it did exist, but one had a very tiny history (like 4 edits) and one had a major history (dozens of edits). In that kind of situation, you want ot preserve the one with the long history. →Raul654 21:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Something Before I Leave Again

"If memory serves, shortly after I renamed this account a few weeks ago, I saw it mentioned somewhere that the original holder was transferring it to his brother. Is my memory of this correct, or am I crazy? →Raul654 03:02, 22 October 2005 (UTC)"

Before my name was changed to Private Butcher, I took a wikibreak, and asked if while I was taking the wikibreak could my brother use the account. I was told no, so he did not get my account. Just so you know, now I'm going to continue with my mental breakdown, thank you. Private Butcher 00:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Short note: Private butcher was thinking of letting his bro take over, but did not -I think

Short note referring to the quote above: "If memory serves, shortly after I renamed this account a few weeks ago, I saw it mentioned somewhere that the original holder was transferring it to his brother. Is my memory of this correct, or am I crazy? →Raul654 03:02, 22 October 2005 (UTC)"

Mark, I saw your post on Private butcher's RfA page (he used to be the Fascist Chicken). Private butcher was thinking of letting his brother take over (he asked Jimbo for permission), but later just used the page himself I think. While letting several editors use one account is technically against the rules, don't Heidi & Joe do the same thing? (In other words, it's not a big deal, so Joe and Heidi, if you're reading this, rest assured that I'm not saying anything against you.) In any case, his RfA failed, but he seems liek a good neighbor and good editor.--GordonWatts 07:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Private Butcher - I'm sorry to hear you are stressed. I hope you enjoy your wikibreak, and come back refreshed. →Raul654 21:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

No Gordon, Heidi & Joe do not do the same thing. For openers we are a married couple with one computer. Heidi is blind so I include her in our signature not because she is a separate entity sharing one IP address but rather to include her thoughts in our edits. As our edits are indeed a collaboration we decided to reflect that with our WP signature. --hydnjo talk 23:30, 24 October 2005 (UTC) ...follow

Apology on the Comment

Apologies on the comment, I removed it since my only concern is civility, and in that I forgot that he's a newbie(only skimmed over his contribs). I'm just not very tolerant of those who are not tolerant of others. Karmafist 21:53, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll take care of it. →Raul654 21:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Bounty Board

Mark,

I've been thinking for a while about starting a Misplaced Pages:Bounty Board, where people put up monetary bounties for articles to become featured, but where the money all goes to the Wikimedia Foundation if the conditions are met. I have a draft at User:Quadell/bounty.

It seems to me that the positives would be that it would encourage donations and encourage the creation of featured articles, and it would fill a gap - that people tend to look for a psychological "reward" when they've worked hard for Misplaced Pages. But my questions are: 1, Do you think there are any legal problems with this? 2, Do you think this goes against the Wiki philosophy? And 3, Do you see any other problems? (I'm asking several long-term and knowlegeable Wikipedian about this.)

Thanks for your input, – Quadell 17:40, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

1. I am not a lawyer, but as the foundation is only a 3rd party to the arrangments, I don't see how it could have legal issues
2. Since no one is being rewarded with money for writing, I don't think it's anti-wiki. It sounds a lot like the old wikibank.
3. I don't want to rain on your parade, but I'm not really sure getting someone else to donate to[REDACTED] is suffecient motivation to get someone to get an article up to featured level. →Raul654 21:45, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

FYI

I ONLY snap back, mildly enough, when personal attacks are launched against me. I NEVER use derisive, or pompous, language, first. EVER.

You may block me - that is, in fact, your prerogative. However, the FINAL WARNING thing should have been done PUBLICLY. So that others could form an opinion of my actions, those of my opponents, and YOURS too. That would have only been the DECENT thing to do.

I repeat, if you have nothing better to occupy your time with, go ahead and block me from editing. I have quite a few fascinating article ideas in mind for Misplaced Pages, and I will especially regret my Five Greats project in which I plan... planned... to improve, or rewrite, the articles on Puccini, Wagner, Bizet, and Tchaikovsky, from which improvement a whole bunch of folks interested in the subject would probably benefit ... wrong tense... which would have been a source of great joy and intellectual satisfation to a great deal of men in women. But - since you figure that your notions of what is a personal attack and what isn't are more important - go ahead and do it. I have enough problems with self-important editors in the real world. I thought I'd be kind of ... uh ... protected against fatuous expostulations directed at me by conceited fools - here. As it has turned out, I was mistaken. So be it.

The whole issue, by the way, is laughable. I never actually thought that the article would make the Featured Articles category. As I mentioned in that intro everyone got so pissed off about without actually reading it carefully, I nominated it in order to keep a clear conscience. A Quixotic gesture, wouldn't you say? As it turns out, that gesture is going to cost me my editing privileges. You've taken the conceited fools' side - that, I suppose, is your loss. There may have been benefits for both of us in our future editorial relationship.

As a matter of fact, this is MY final warning. I'm warning YOU. It is for a reason, perhaps, that you take certain matters pertaining to Misplaced Pages seriously. And - you do it for free. And that is, in fact, quite Quixotic of you. As one windmill damager to another - do you want to be a Second Renaissance man; or do you want to be a boring bureaucrat, one of those charming dudes whom you find in key positions in today's Establishment no matter where you look and who are doing their best to bring about the end of the world? The choice is yours. Godspeed.Ricardo the Texan 21:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Stevertigo RFA

I think you may have to clarify your position there. He's getting some "Support I trust Raul654's support in nominating him" votes. Borisblue 03:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Isaac Newton now mainpageable

Re: , I'm done with the revamp, and I think the article is now suitable for the main page. Thanks!Borisblue 05:49, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Acknowledged. →Raul654 03:56, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikimania 2006

I certainly want to attend. I can't promise for certain because the dates aren't settled yet as far as I know. I have a family vacation planned for around late-June early-July, which would cause problems if Wikimania is too early. So I'm hoping it will be in August again, although obviously scheduling can't be for my benefit alone. --Michael Snow 06:03, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Recent admin promotions

Raul654, Early this morning (UTC) you promoted two new admins, User:The wub and User:Titoxd. I've found a few problems with the manner in which you accomplished these tasks.

• You promoted User:the wub instead of User:The wub. The result was the same, thanks to the software.
• You left a message on User:The wub's talk page about his promotion, but not on User:Titoxd's.
• In closing the RfAs, you did not put the {{subst:rfap}}-{{subst:rfab}} header/footers on the respective RfA pages per instructions on Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Front matter.

In noting the above, I mean no disrespect. All the best, --Durin 13:54, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the promotion! The caps thing was probably my fault since its what I wrote and linked on the RfA page, I prefer to write my username in all lowercase. It's worked fine anyway. the wub "?!" 18:36, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

In reply to the second point - I left no notification for Titoxd because I told in real time on IRC. →Raul654 01:49, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

A little protected-page edit needed

Hi! Noticed a sentence that needed a little fixing in Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/November 4, 2005 (Cheese).

"Different styles and flavors of cheese are the results of using different species of bacteria and molds, different levels of milk fat, variations in length of aging, differing processing treatments."

Should be "...variations in length of aging, and differing processing treatments."

Hope this was an appropriate place to bring this up. Thanks! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:18, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, this is an appropriate place to bring it up. I have fixed the problem. →Raul654 03:56, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Raul. I appreciate the work you do. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Stevertigo RFA confirmation

I just wanted to let you know as a courtesy that as per the consensus on Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for adminship to delist, I have closed and delisted Stevertigo's adminship confirmation and put a request on m:Requests for permissions for a steward to remove his sysop privs as per the arbcom ruling. Jtkiefer ----- 01:01, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, and the links. Hope all is well. -St|eve 03:18, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Addition to your rules

This isn't exactly a Misplaced Pages rule, but a more general rule, combined with a prophecy of sorts:

• Law: Throughout history, major conflicts have originated from misunderstandings.

  Prediction: World War III will start from a mistranslation of This people-related article is a stub.

— BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-26 14:26

EK3 proposed decision

Please stop with the voting and respect the request for time. Everyking 00:05, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to echo Theresa Knott's sentiments in this regard. →Raul654 04:10, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Rita Picture

I have nominated the picture Rita 2005 five day track.gif for deletion because it is not needed anymore. The image's page says that one of your user space pages links to it. Just letting you know so you can delete it from your subpage. Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 20:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

That was a proof of concept page that was no longer needed, so I have wiped it out. →Raul654 04:09, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Il barocco siciliano

Whoa ha ha hoo ho hoo! But won't this make someone even more cross! Oh well should be an interesting week, perhaps I'd better take it off my watch list. Thanks - you've restored my faith in human nature. I'm not that het up, I believe in this project, and I won't quietly see it dumbed down. Giano | talk 21:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Sicilian Baroque FA

Could you explain the reasoning behind promoting it? I count four supports and three objects, all based on perceptions that the language was florid and, well, baroque :-) The language had been improving, then we had a rollback, breaking the portions of the objections that had been addressed. I'm not understanding something. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

It looked to me as if most of the objections had been resolved (I admit I could have been wrong in this regard); before promoting I skimmed the article and I didn't see anything that struck me as partincularly objectionable. →Raul654 04:05, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

See Tony1's edit in his RFA for a sizable essay enumerating some badly-written prose. I realize it's not fair to try to continue the FAC process over in that RFA, so perhaps this is of limited value, but I find he nicely summarizes why some of the language is objectionable. OK, I better stop this before people start accusing me of being Tony's sockpuppet :-) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:30, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Sino-Soviet split

The article has been severely chopped about since I last worked on it but I will see if I can find some references. Adam 04:06, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, great :) →Raul654 04:08, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Question about FA

Hi, Raul, I was recommended to you by User:Rossrs to ask your opinion on a matter concerning the status of an article possibly being a FA. Currently, there is a debate concerning personal taste over how charts should be presented. In a recent nomination, "Cool (song)", the primary author of the article gave into pressure from other users and unified charts against her personal taste. I don't mind fixing other things, but this is something I really don't think should be changed. Others have agreed with me like Rossrs who stated, "I truly believe that it's a question of personal taste and because it's not policy - either official or unofficial - that basing a vote on that issue alone is not fair". With that in mind, I'm just wondering if it would be feasible for an article to pass FA if all other obejctions are met. OmegaWikipedia 09:58, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

FARC assistance

User:Jiang brought up Sun Yat-sen on WP:FARC. I speedy delisted it as the article was promoted just last month. Your input has been requested here. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 11:41, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind about Sun Yat-sen for now; if Jiang can get more support for Farc-ing it, then we'll just IAR and let it go through.

Of more immidiate concern is a controversy with Sicilian Baroque. The article which was literally just promoted has been put up on FARC. I've reverted two attempts at putting it up. If you can, we really need your input here. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 21:39, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

rIPping vandals (publicly revealing IP address of the most disruptive vandals)

I have posted Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#rIPping_.28and_ToSsing.29_vandals, calling on User:David Gerard to publicly reveal the IPs of the vandalbot socks that have been reverting Sealand, which I believe to be in keeping with item 5 of the Wikimedia Foundation privacy policy.

More generally, I believe that revealing IP (rIPping) vandals should be an option in the most disruptive cases of sockpuppet vandalism (especially vandalbots) that prevents Misplaced Pages from functioning normally (causing articles to be permanently protected, for instance). This would be an alternative to the earlier proposal to give more users Checkuser privilege, with the advantage that the privacy of ordinary users (and even garden-variety vandals) would be as secure as before.

Publicly revealing the IP would allow the grunt work of liaising with ISP's abuse contact person to be delegated to a "ToS committee" (Terms of Service) of ordinary users (without checkuser privilege), so reporting of terms of service violations to ISPs and followup could be done more systematically and effectively than is the case today. -- Curps 20:48, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Featured article question

Hello. I recently worked on an article that achieved featured article status (Cool (song); Talk:Cool (song)), and was informed that you are aware of the dates that articles will appear on the Misplaced Pages front page. I was just curious to know if you know when "Cool" will be the featured article of the day? Thank you for your time. --Winnermario 22:13, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

ATLAS experiment image

Hi Raul,

PRueda29 just told me that main page images are typically limited to 100px, after I put a 120px image next to the ATLAS experiment main page proposal. Getting perfect pictures to illustrate the article, especially for that small a size, is extremely difficult (CERN images aren't public domain), and I think the image I put with the proposal at 120 px is the best that can be done. However, if that would be too big, I'm more than happy to work on cropping to different dimensions, trying other images, etc. All this assumes you end up deciding to put the article on the Main Page at some point—I like it, but then I'm rather biased, and I know there are lots of other articles waiting too. -- SCZenz 18:19, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

November (film)

The article November (film) is at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates (see Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/November (film)), and currently has five support votes and no objects. I am writing this message to you because I have just realised that November 7 is the date that an extremely significant event in the film (which it returns to several times) takes place. This may sound silly, and you don't have to do this at all if it is too much work or if this request is out of line, but I was wondering if the Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/November 7, 2005 page could be saved for the November (film) article, so that it is featured on the main page that day. I would be delighted if this was to happen, as I feel that that date is the best and most suitable date to represent the film, even more so than its various release dates. If you have any problems with this proposal, please feel free to drop me a note on my talk page, and I will not pursue the matter further. Thank you very much. Extraordinary Machine 23:00, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Onefortyone/Proposed decision

Would you please answer my questions on the Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Onefortyone/Proposed decision page. Thank you.

help

Raul, sorry to bother you with this but i have a question... I suppose you are a bureaucrat here and i suppose that you have access to the same special pages i do, as a bureaucrat for wiki.pt. Can you have access to user rights? Because i know that bureaucrats (at least in theory) can control who has the right to move pages. I'm asking you this because i cant find how i can do this and we (at wiki.pt) are trying to start a discussion about limiting the move page function, after a spree of moving vandalism. But in order to do this we need to know how it works and nobody there knows! Do you have any idea about this, or where or who can i ask? Thanks, muriel@pt 08:09, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Mediawiki supports fine-grained user permissions. Setting and unsetting these permissions is done through a special page whose name I cannot remember at the moment. On Misplaced Pages, use of this page is restricted only to the stewards -- see m:stewards. →Raul654 08:43, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

OK, thanks for my first clue to the mistery. by the way, if you are wondering which featured article would be nice for tomorrow, here is a sugestion: 1755 Lisbon earthquake. It will be the 250th anniversary of the event. Cheers, muriel@pt 12:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Sun Yat-sen FA

If you get a chance, could you check out Misplaced Pages:Featured article removal candidates/Sun Yat-sen. A user who objected to the article's original FA vote a month and a half ago is trying to now remove the article from FA status. He says you ignored his objections when you promoted the article. I disagree with this statement, feel consensus was reached on the article's promotion to FA status, and have encouraged him to raise the issues he was with the article on the article's talk page. He has so far refused to do this. While I'm trying to assume good intentions here, I suspect that he might have a political agenda. I think it would help for us on the FARC page to get your perspective on the article's original FA vote and why the article was promoted. Thanks.--Alabamaboy 14:21, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I am the unnamed "user" in question here and would also like to see your take on this controversy, namely, 1) was the original nomination promoted prematurely and was consensus achieved in that nomination and more importantly 2) is it appropriate, given the circumstances of this particular article, to nominate Sun Yat-sen as a farc only a month and a half after it was promoted. And please as much authority to your comments as appropriate. Thanks, Jiang 13:58, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Daily Featured Article

Why can't it be protected? Must we keep having to vandal Gay Wolf/Gray Wolf vandalism all night? If it's good enough to become featured, it shouldn't need to be edited so soon, at least not on the day it's on the main page. Acetic' 19:24, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

See user:Raul654/protection →Raul654 19:24, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah... I hadn't realized it was today's FA. Still, although vandalism is cleared up quickly, this article is being vandalized at a disturbing rate, and I'm one of the watchers for this article. When a watcher notices the vandalism *lang* before the FA status, perhaps there's something wrong with the process.... - UtherSRG (talk) 20:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

New idea for videos

Before, when we started putting videos in articles, it was debated whether they should be inline or at the end. It was decided to put them at the end because that blocky video box breaks the flow. Well, I think I know how to go with the flow. Let's say you're doing someone's biography, and you have video of an important event in their life, so you want it to be next to the event in the text. What you do is take a screencapture of the video, upload that, place the image in the article next to the event's text, and in the caption of the image, say something like "Still shot from footage of the Wright Brother's flight. See here for the full video." That caption would provide a link to the video, maybe with some sort of mini icon in the caption to indicate that there is a film clip. In this way, the flow wouldn't be broken up anymore than an image breaks up the flow, and the article isn't left with a bunch of videos randomly clumped at the end. How does that sound? — BRIAN0918 • 2005-11-1 03:28

FAC process

It appears that the FACs removed in this edit don't appear in the archived nominations lists and still have {{fac}} on their talk pages. I didn't check every one of them, but all of them that I did check were in this semi-delisted state. So it looks like they skipped a step in the process somewhere. --Tabor 06:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

'Fixed. →Raul654 07:10, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Just using this header to save some space, but you can remove the current Sleepy Lagoon Murders FAC nomination, as the user who started it has withdrawn the nom and sent the article over to peer review. Harro5 07:27, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

FAC question - concerning addressing an objection

I have recently been trying to address the concerns of Monicasdude with the Boston, Massachusetts article. However, it doesn't seem that the user is responsive (I've already placed messages on the user's talk page), and if he/she is responsive is asking for more to be done without being specific. I have seen this user critique other articles on FAC in the same way, and was wondering if you have any ideas how to deal with this user and if one object vote could fail an article's chance at FA, even when others support the article's candidacy and one tries to address that user's concerns. Thanks. Pentawing 01:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Everyking IRC discussion

I suppose this means my offer was rejected? I think the ArbCom should give someone a chance to present a defense, if not out of integrity then at least for appearance's sake. Everyking 03:49, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

When? Now? Everyking 06:01, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes. I am on at this very minute. →Raul654 06:02, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Behavior of Ted Wilkes

User:Ted Wilkes is still removing my contributions to the Elvis Presley article, though they are well supported by credible sources. See and . He also aggressively continues to make personal attacks against me (and some other users) on the Talk:Elvis Presley and the User talk:Onefortyone pages and repeatedly violated the 3RR rule. I think the arbitration committee should place a note about this behavior on his talk page. Thank you. 80.141.255.90 20:36, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Sannse's ArbCom Resignation

Hello Raul, acting again as a reporter for The Misplaced Pages Signpost, I noticed that you removed Sannse's name from WP:ArbCom, citing her resignation. If you don't mind me asking, was her resignation within the ArbCom mailing list, or was it somewhere else? Thanks a lot for your help. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 22:57, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

She announced her resignation on the arbcom mailing list yesterday (Nov 4), citing an inability to put in the necessary amount of time. →Raul654 04:58, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 00:52, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Singular/plural inconsistency Today's FA

The final sentence of Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/November 7, 2005 is currently inconsistent - the first verb is in the singular and the second in the plural. Presumably you want both in the singular (complying with American/International English), although the preference in British English is to use the plural - there has been a little further discussion on the matter at Misplaced Pages talk:Today's featured article/November 7, 2005. Qwghlm 19:47, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Human

People have expressed concern over your promotion of Human to featured. They feel there was insufficient consensus. Could you please join the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Featured article candidates#Human? Thanks. Superm401 | Talk 20:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Kuwait Liberation Medal (Saudi Arabia)

Hello! As a respected admin, I was wondering if you could remove the copyright tag and replace the article with its temp page. All partieis agree that this appears to be a carbonb copy of text from the Institute of Heraldry and a good temp page was made as a compromise. Thank you! -Husnock 15:58, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Morris Library

Hey, since you took the picture (and I will presume you added it to the page with the current caption) of Morris I was wondering if you could corroborate that it is the largest library between New York and Washington D. C. I really have no idea about UPenn's library, but I have been in University of Maryland (College Park)'s McKeldin library and I'm sure looks can be deceiving, but, it surely seems like it could compete. I was just curious if it was you that got that fact, and if so, where from? gren グレン 22:28, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh gosh, I heard it a LOOOONG time ago, back in the dinosaur days when I took the campus tour. →Raul654 22:33, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Resumption of "Be Bold" disputes -- please review

Despite your efforts at resolving the "Be Bold" disputes in September, the dispute has picked up again, with users inserting new and more restrictive language without prior discussion or notice. I didn't agree with the way you resolved the last round of this dispute, but respected the process and haven't tried to alter it. The new language, which virtually guts the policy with regard to all articles (not limited to controversial subjects or Featured Articles) is on its face incompatible with the clear consensus in discussion only a few weeks ago, and it's really inappropriate to have major changes made to the guideline without the prior discussion and consensus that existing policy regarding such guidelines calls for. Monicasdude 19:20, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

ArbCom decision

Why has ArbCom decided the case when I have not completed listing my evidence or indeed even listed my defence? I left a clear note that I would not have time to do this before December. I have been subjected to some vile personal attacks and bullying by some very determined and, in one case, bigoted editor, and have been harrassed by a sockpuppet account for some time. The denial of the opportunity to give me sufficient time to defend myself and to argue my case is a complete denial of natural justice.

I request the case is reopened so that I can answer the charges, jguk 07:35, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Gosh, that sounds familiar. The ArbCom seems to like this process of putting things through quickly enough that serious analysis and discussion is made difficult. What I don't understand is why, if they want the case shoved through to achieve a practical result (stop something problematic), why not just use a temporary injunction to achieve that result and then allow the involved parties all the time they need? Everyking 06:59, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Featured Articles

Hey, Raul... or Mark, just wanted to let you know that if you need any help with featured articles or mainpage articles I'd be willing to help you in any way, thanks. -- PRueda29 23:47, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Rex071404

Some of us think he's in violation of his first 2 arbcoms. Would we need to start a new arbcom case to get this going? Or is there something else we can do? --Woohookitty 06:40, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

In regards to this: Is it your position that #7 is not in fact an enforcement against me which expired when the six month "no revert" restriction expired? And if so, are you saying that I am permanently barred from any doing any revert of any kind? Rex071404 06:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

It appears that enforcement #7 (the penalty related to reverting articles) is in relation to remedy 4.1 (the prohibition on reverting articles). As such, it appears that enforcement 7 expired when 4.1 did. →Raul654 07:07, 13 November 2005 (UTC)