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An excellent article.--Wiglaf 19:56, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have commented on the peer review page. Isomorphic 28 June 2005 05:38 (UTC)
First Problem
ok, I don't know a lot about the Radhanites, but, this I do know about the Roman Empire. Over 100 years BCE the Asians in the area of Modern Day China, the Han Dynasty folks, began -what I like to call- the "Silk Road" which led to them trading with the Romans who are considered Western by most people. Did the Chinese cease that trade? The answer is no, thus the statement "The Radhanites were the first Westerners to establish trade with China in centuries" s wrong. Also, "Many historians believe that it was these Jewish merchants, not Chinese prisoners-of-war, who introduced the art of paper-making to the Caliphate." is unsourced, speculative and odd. Chinese traders did come west, and the Radhanite folks were not the only ones going east, so the suggestion that the only possible way of paper-making getting to Baghdad was via the Radhanite or the POWs is dishonest and wrong. "Historically, medieval Jewish communities used letters of credit to transport large quantities of money without the risk of theft. This system may have been pioneered by the Radhanites; if so, they may be counted among the earliest modern bankers." - Incorrect, recommended reading = anything of the asian/Chinese banking systems and also the Pre-modern Banking set up in the Delhi Sultanate (There are books on that that are amazing to read). In short, source all claims made. --Irishpunktom\ 16:07, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
- The Radhanites, of course, would have predated anything that came out of the Dehli Sultanate. As for China, you are welcome to enter your own <cited> retort to the now-cited references to Jewish credit systems. RadhaniteBriangotts ] 03:35, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
- The system of banking used int he dehli Sultanate was far similar to what we would understand as banking than what the nice Radhanite folks had set up. The Chinese financial system is well documented, using leather then paper as representatives of held deposit wealth over 700 years before the Radhanites traded their first slave. Banking as a system is old, a lt older that the Radhanites and has existed probably, in one form or another, since man could count. This piece reeks of Ethno-centric POV meanderings, and could do with a cleanup. --Irishpunktom\ 20:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
- You asked that I cite sources, and I have. If you wish to challenge them do so. But you had better cite your sources and they had better be from reputable publications. The fact that the article doesn't comport with your understanding of the world does not make it an "ethnocentric POV meandering", and I'll thank you to take a more civil tone in future.Briangotts ] 21:21, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
- The system of banking used int he dehli Sultanate was far similar to what we would understand as banking than what the nice Radhanite folks had set up. The Chinese financial system is well documented, using leather then paper as representatives of held deposit wealth over 700 years before the Radhanites traded their first slave. Banking as a system is old, a lt older that the Radhanites and has existed probably, in one form or another, since man could count. This piece reeks of Ethno-centric POV meanderings, and could do with a cleanup. --Irishpunktom\ 20:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)