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I will respond to talk messages where they started, trying to keep discussions in one place (you may want to watch this page for some time after adding a question). Otherwise I will clearly state where the discussion will be moved/copied to. Though, with the large number of pages I am watching, it may be wise to contact me here as well if you need a swift response. If I forget to answer, poke me.

I preserve the right not to answer to non-civil remarks, or subjects which are covered in this talk-header.

ON EXTERNAL LINK REMOVAL

There are several discussions about my link removal here, and in my archives. If you want to contact me about my view of this policy, please read and understand WP:NOT, WP:EL, WP:SPAM and WP:A, and read the discussions on my talkpage or in my archives first.

My view in a nutshell:
External links are not meant to tunnel people away from the wikipedia.

Hence, I will remove external links on pages where I think they do not add to the page (per WP:NOT#REPOSITORY and WP:EL), or when they are added in a way that wikipedia defines as spam (understand that wikipedia defines spam as: '... wide-scale external link spamming ...', even if the link is appropriate; also read this). This may mean that I remove links, while similar links are already there or which are there already for a long time. Still, the question is not whether your link should be there, the question may be whether those other links should be there (again, see the wording of the policies and guidelines).

Please consider the alternatives before re-adding the link:

  • If the link contains information, use the information to add content to the article, and use the link as a reference (content is not 'see here for more information').
  • Add an appropriate linkfarm (you can consider to remove other links covered there).
  • Incorporate the information into one of the sister projects.
  • Add the link to other mediawiki projects aimed at advertiseing (see e.g. this)

If the linkspam of a certain link perseveres, I will not hesitate to report it to the wikiproject spam for blacklisting (even if the link would be appropriate for wikipedia). It may be wise to consider the alternatives before things get to that point.

The answer in a nutshell
Please consider if the link you want to add complies with the policies and guidelines.

If you have other questions, or still have questions on my view of the external link policy, disagree with me, or think I made a mistake in removing a link you added, please poke me by starting a new subject on my talk-page. If you absolutely want an answer, you can try to poke the people at WT:EL or WT:WPSPAM on your specific case. Also, regarding link, I can be contacted on IRC, channel .

Reliable sources

I convert inline URL's into references and convert referencing styles to a consistent format. My preferred style is the style provided by cite.php (<ref> and <references/>). When other mechanisms are mainly (but not consistently) used (e.g. {{ref}}/{{note}}/{{cite}}-templates) I will assess whether referencing would benefit from the cite.php-style. Feel free to revert these edits when I am wrong.

Converting inline URLs in references may result in data being retrieved from unreliable sources. In these cases, the link may have been removed, and replaced by a {{cn}}. If you feel that the page should be used as a reference (complying with wp:rs!!), please discuss that on the talkpage of the page, or poke me by starting a new subject on my talk-page

Note: I am working with some other developers on mediawiki to expand the possibilities of cite.php, our attempts can be followed here and here. If you like these features and want them enabled, please vote for these bugs.

Stub/Importance/Notability/Expand/Expert

I am in general against deletion, except when the page really gives misinformation, is clear spam or copyvio. Otherwise, these pages may need to be expanded or rewritten. For very short articles there are the different {{stub}} marks, which clearly state that the article is to be expanded. For articles that do not state why they are notable, I will add either {{importance}} or {{notability}}. In my view there is a distinct difference between these two templates, while articles carrying one of these templates may not be notable, the first template does say the article is probably notable enough, but the contents does not state that (yet). The latter provides a clear concern that the article is not notable, and should probably be {{prod}}ed or {{AfD}}ed. Removing importance-tags does not take away the backlog, it only hides from attention, deleting pages does not make the database smaller. If you contest the notability/importance of an article, please consider adding an {{expert-subject}} tag, or raise the subject on an appropriate wikiproject. Remember, there are many, many pages on the wikipedia, many need attention, so maybe we have to live with a backlog.

Having said this, I generally delete the {{expand}}-template on sight. The template is in most cases superfluous, expansion is intrinsic to the wikipedia (for stubs, expansion is already mentioned in that template).

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Confused about conflict of interest on FreeON page

Hi,

I've reviewed the web pages you mentioned to Nick Bock, but have no idea what the problem is still, or how to remedy it. We are wiki newbies, and could really use some help resolving this.

Thanks, Matt Matt Challacombe (talk) 13:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that we are writing an encyclopedia, while you and Nick Bock were trying to incorporate texts which may be too promotional. Remedy: Please discuss on talkpages before making considerable changes. Thanks. --Dirk Beetstra 15:59, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Unlogged

Sup, is there any way 2 prevent this ip from editing unlogged? It's a shared adress with a somewhat diverse userbase and blocks could affect good standing editors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.200.122.230 (talk) 09:28, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Editing unlogged? I am not sure what you mean? You can create an account .. ?? --Dirk Beetstra 09:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, of course. Good standing editors with an account use this ip when editing, but since it's a shared ip address, sometimes vandals and spammers may use it on wikipedia (editing as I do now, without an account). In this case, blocking the ip will also prevent account editors from, you know, editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.200.122.230 (talk) 09:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Eh .. yes. For logged in users, there is IP block exemption. We could disable the autoblock so not to block the logged-in users. But seen that this account is only used by one person while editing as an IP, I don't expect too much problem, I think we are targetting just the one we want to.... --Dirk Beetstra 09:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Bug in COIBot

Hi.

I think there is a bug, or perhaps design error, in COIBot. It has just reported two of my edits in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spam/COIReports/2009, Apr 22 thus:

  1. 15:31:54, Wed Apr 22, 2009 - user:91.84.39.186 - user talk (contribs) on page Reiszug (diff - undo) -> (redirectsite) www.funimag.com/funimag10/reszug02.htm on domain funimag.com is a redirectsite for 404.online.net/ on 404.online.net
  2. 14:56:20, Wed Apr 22, 2009 - user:Starbois - user talk (contribs) on page Reiszug (diff - undo) -> (redirectsite) www.funimag.com/funimag10/reszug01.htm on domain funimag.com is a redirectsite for 404.online.net/ on 404.online.net

I've checked, and the script is absolutely correct in saying that the two urls it quotes are redirects for 404.online.net. The only problem is that those urls do not appear in the article in question. The urls that are actually in the article are www.funimag.com/funimag10/RESZUG02.htm and www.funimag.com/funimag10/RESZUG01.htm. These urls are identical to the ones quoted by your bot, except that the case of the last element is different. The upper case versions of these urls are not redirects, and are appropriately cited as references in the article. If I owned the target pages I think I'd be a bit upset with my ISP for setting up redirects in this fashion, but it remains the fact that the report is misleading.

I suspect your bot is deliberately lowercasing the url. I can see why it might do this, in order to deal with the computer name part of the url, which is case insensitive. But the rest of the url is definately case sensitive and should be treated as such. -- Starbois (talk) 11:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Heh, you're absolutely right. I am afraid that part of COIBot does not have the correct part available. Rest assured, we are checking these things manually before we would do any actions, and this is not something we need to take action on. I wonder how I can solve this problem .... I'll have a think about it. Thanks for reporting this, it is a new 'gadget' I programmed, and it does do a good job here and there, but it would be nice if this could be resolved! --Dirk Beetstra 12:30, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


DDP

Thanks for all your help!!! CashRules (talk) 18:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome! --Dirk Beetstra 19:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Abd and JzG

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Abd and JzG/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Abd and JzG/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Hersfold 02:13, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. --Dirk Beetstra 08:41, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Not happy.

Your bot has put my name on the spamlist and I am not happy about it. Its the 333rd one on the list.--Launchballer (talk) 14:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)