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Badawa

Regarding Badwa, there seems to be some confusion, but I cannot take credit for something that I have not done, I have been wrongly credited to the edit.

The name Badwa बडवा could perhaps be derived from the Marathi word badavane बडवणे or to hit. At Pandharpur Vitthal temple, the temple priests are called Badave बडवे. Thanks. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 03:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Congrats

Congrats...it was a pleasant surprise to see your excellent work on Vithoba article shining on the main page!!--Anish (talk) 03:54, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

You really had a bad month! Sorry to hear about your allowance....seems you were a victim of Phishing scam! I (and many other guys) will be happy to see you now once again back in action. Take care my friend.--Anish (talk) 05:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Thought you may have an opinion...

I figured that judging by familiarty and frequency of use, then Asmodai should be moved to Asmodeus..... Put in your 2 c worth here. :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:07, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

4,999

This is my 5000th Edit..Hip-Hip-ho-ray!--Buster7 (talk) 06:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

An Important discussion

Please stop in at Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion/Log/2009 March 5 to view a timely and important discussion for all wikipedia editors.--Buster7 (talk) 03:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Have a great day! Don't let the bedbugs bite. --Buster7 (talk) 12:06, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Research Request

Hello Alastair Haines. While exploring the User talk pages of proflic editors, I somehow came across your name. I'm doing a research project at UCSC about Misplaced Pages and I see that you're very active member (with important contributions to several featured articles??). If you have the time, I would really appreciate hearing some of your thoughts and experience about Misplaced Pages. The discussion is already underway at my talk page, it would be great if you could jump in wherever you have a comment.

I look forward to it if possible. Have a nice evening! (And thanks for your time.) Rodomontade (talk) 02:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Israel

I will visit Israel on 16-23 March. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 22:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back

All's well that ends well. I second the advice to change your username. Happy editing! Mathsci (talk) 17:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

It has been a very great privelege to have met you Mathsci. Thanks for your years of editing here, and for going an extra mile in the case currently concluded. An account with the excellent name you proposed should be opened in due course. Alastair Haines (talk) 00:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back Alastair. I found a matriarchal ant article I wanted you to see (Mycocepurus smithii). No men at all actually, apparently they just clone themselves! Might be a sign of thigns to come. Best to be prepared in any event. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

CoM! You are a treasure! Very many species are parthenogenic, and several are gynodioecious. Most people, I imagine, rather enjoy the fact that Homo sapiens are neither. ;)
With the limited time available to me, I'm rather keen for you and I to work a few 3O cases together, taking it in turns to lurk and use email. Alastair Haines (talk) 00:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
What are the evolutionary implications of cloning and female only reproduction? Are there occasions when interbreeding takes place? I thought it was basic biology that dna swapping and all that kind of thing is important.
As you might have noticed I am currently in receive only mode for e-mail. I like the idea of all my discussions being readily apparent and am hoping to avoid any off-wiki communication misunderstandings or drama (I seem to be part of more than my share on wiki). But maybe I'm just being old fashioned and stuffy? :) It's going to be a couple weeks at least, I think, before I can do any 3Os. But I'm intrigued by the idea. Cheers. Welcome back. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:01, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Sexual reproduction seems to have evolved independently in a number of species, but some species have reverted to asexual (parthenogenic) reproduction. There is no consenus regarding the several theories proposed to explain the data. Genetic recombination promotes diversity and is generally considered to be the key advantage provided by sexual reproduction. Diversity is thought to be particularly beneficial in protecting species against pandemics of disease. But there are costs as well as benefits to sexual reproduction, so they say.
Hmmm, sorry to hear about email hassles for you. I'd be content for you to give me 3O feedback on my talk page or—more discretely, but still accountably—on yours. Same regarding me giving you feedback. In fact, I'd rather post to a talk page than go searching for the email button.
Ethically, I view it like industry standard best practice—"your call may be monitored to assess quality". You and I would be monitoring one another's 3O management. I'd have no objection, in fact I'd rather like, letting two parties seeking a 3O know that the handling of their case was being monitored by a 4th party, who would not participate in discussion. It's just a matter of whether it would distract or confuse the parties.
The key thing is mutual monitoring for personal development and quality control. We want to be fair to all parties, the details of that are important but there are many good ways of making it work, and thankfully we only need to find one of them. ;) 02:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


Skywriter (below) responds to ChildofMidnight's first post (above)

Oh dear, don't give the stronger gender any ideas! But yes, welcome back Alastair. :-) SkyWriter (Tim) (talk) 21:29, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, mum's the word. May your writing not be gone with the wind, SW. Thanks. Alastair Haines (talk) 00:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
The article Textual Variants in the New Testament is waitinig for you. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 02:27, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Ausgezeichnet! So much work! This is what people have been asking for.
Ja, natuerlich werde ich dich helfen.
Christos anesti ek nekron, thanato thanaton patisas zoe charisamenos.
charis kai eirene Alastair Haines (talk) 03:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

And now for something completely different

Colour
the setting sun glowed on the horizon
yellow on orange on red
clouds billowing
black under white
grey squalls gusting
storm racing night
to bring on street lights
and drop
following drop
and drop, drop, drop
then drumming
beating rain
gutters quickly running full
washing the last rays
into drains
gurgling their pleasure
at the fall of night
Alastair Haines (talk) 01:01, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
An apt description of the rather soggy weather here in Sydney at easter time...welcome back too from me :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Good Tidings, Good Sir

The crowd forced him to his knees
but he could not echo their words.
They proclaimed; "Do as we say
or you will be banished and
set apart...to contemplate
and consider your ways.
But... he returned to the pages
that were his true friends.....
and was Happy!

Welcome back! --Buster7 (talk) 06:38, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

well how's about that! - Glad it worked out in the end :-) Privatemusings (talk) 07:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
It's only a temporary respite. Alastair was warned (above) not to participate in any religious articles for the stated reason that he has an expertise in religious subjects. Although we've ignored that so far because of the silliness of the warning, I need to caution everyone that a logically irrelevant warning may not be a politically irrelevant one. I don't know how this will end. What will actually happen if Alastair becomes a fully productive editor again? That would be good for Misplaced Pages, but bad for Alastair. (Sorry to throw cold water on the situation).SkyWriter (Tim) (talk) 09:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
By his acts shall ye know him ... Edits to namespace under his current or future username are all that matters. Mathsci (talk) 09:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
As long as that's all that matters, hacol beseder (everything's coolio).SkyWriter (Tim) (talk) 10:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Mathsci (talk) 10:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

welcome back

Hi Alastair, it's good see things have been (somewhat) resolved. If you still want myself, or John to have a look at specific diffs posted on-wiki about you please send them on to us or alternatively send them to ArbCom. Best wishes--Cailil 19:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for this kind offer. I think we can cruise at DEFCON 4 for a while. The reality is that I'm more concerned about Wiki and its contributors having sufficient mutual confidence that this is reflected in many editors being comfortable using their real names. But I'll let wiser heads work out the lessons we can all learn regarding that. My main concern remains addressing outstanding content issues sans the ad hominem. But the beautiful thing about Wiki is that there is plenty of time, no publication deadlines. The latter, offsite, oppress me more than any drama at Wiki. Peace friend, a day is coming when content discussion will test our metal and I trust the proverb that "iron sharpens iron" will be proved yet again as a driving force for quality and reliability at Wiki. Sorry to be so obtuse, but I'm genuinely sanguine. Very, very best with your real life commitments, those you serve in real life are very fortunate indeed if your contributions are even half the quality they are here. Alastair Haines (talk) 00:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Asmodeus

I am musing on buffing up the prince of hell at some point, maybe sooner rather than later, especially since dusting off my dungeons and dragons books. I will have a look at the testament of Solomon online, but any fleshing out of material not otherwise accessbile online would be helpful.

NB: Have been trying to clear up some of the Proposed mergers page and noted a couple which you may have an opinion on - note Erech and Uruk as one, and Azazel and Azazel in rabbinic literature as another...Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, happenstance! I was looking at Asmodeus today. Short, sweet article, but so tempting to expand, I agree.
I'm seriously under the gun with thesis writing, but burgeoning with inspiration for it atm.
Not now, but perhaps in June, I could make an offering of some arcarna re Asmodeus. An archetype of sexual jealousy fits within my area of research.
Erech and Uruk are close to my heart, I'll see if I can contribute any new angle on discussions at the mergers directly.
PS Received notification of two citations last week. I'm presently a rather happy man. Alastair Haines (talk) 08:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Welcome

Ah!..I seem to have missed your home coming....but nevertheless.....welcome back! I am so glad to see you back on Wiki. The admins ultimately saw the reason. I am also glad that your friends stood by you. You have accumulated good karma with your generous helpful nature. So What goes around comes around ! Be well and take care.--Anish (talk) 06:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

You, rather than I, are one of the most generous men I know, especially with your public praise of my humble efforts. I am well and I will take care. I long to be not so busy, so I can research some more understanding of Jainism under your guidance. Very, very best to you Anish. :) Alastair Haines (talk) 04:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

"understanding of Jainism under your guidance"...you are very kind. But somehow I am not able to concentrate now on Misplaced Pages with continuity with demands of the job. Guess I will really have to squeeze some time if I want to see more articles of Jainism on FA list.--Anish (talk) 11:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah! Good decision. Priorities. I still think we shall do work together on Jainism at Misplaced Pages, because even if we are slow, there is no rush! A little work, now and then, adds up to something helpful for many people. I pray that your family will remain in good health. Alastair Haines (talk) 04:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!--Anish (talk) 11:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Distinction between Chastity and Virginity

Hope this finds you doing well. It didn't seem right to me that chastity and virginity are synonymous. I have clarified the difference. ] LuxNevada (talk) 16:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I am doing well, and your sourced explanation of chastity is precisely how I, and all literature I'm familiar with understand it also. So thank you. It is true, however, that chastity is sometimes used as a near synonym rather than virginity itself, especially in evolutionary biology, but in other places also. But I agree, "unadulterated" fidelity is the key idea in chastity, linking with sexual jealousy, etc., etc.
Lux, it is a real pleasure to hear from you. Especially doing some solid Latin leg-work. How are things with you? Alastair Haines (talk) 04:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello Alastair, I have been well. Busy with job and other work. Having too much work is better than having too little (and I have experienced both situations). Cheers, LuxNevada (talk) 06:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

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Iravan

Hi, if you are free, I will like you to see Iravan, an article just expanded and give your suggestions. I am nominating the article to GA today, anyway articles about Hinduism take a long time for a review. Till then, I request you to read and if possible, polish the article. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz 06:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

User:Nvineeth just gave me two links of journals to expand the article more. I think it will be a waste of your time if while expansion, I change paras, which you have contributed to. I will inform you after the expansion. Thanks.--Redtigerxyz 14:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Great! :) I'm somewhat busy atm, so don't mind waiting. You've done good work so far I noticed. I love watching people turning sources into articles, go Tiger! :) Alastair Haines (talk) 16:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Done with the most of the article, just need to add a sub-section in the Worship. Please take a look. --Redtigerxyz 06:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
You are amazing Tiger! You write faster than I copyedit. You write with not only the skill, but the speed of a tiger. Will get to work ASAP. Alastair Haines (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Don't lie. You copyedit faster, the lead has a smoother flow now. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz 15:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm, maybe, either way you do turn large quantities of reliable sources into logically organised and faithfully summarised Wiki text. Speed is not really an issue. I'll get back to work. :) Alastair Haines (talk) 02:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I have completed my research work on the article and will not more stuff in the article. Open to your copyediting and suggestions.--Redtigerxyz 13:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Iravan

Updated DYK query On May 16, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Iravan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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As you may have observed, an editor has started the GA review (Talk:Iravan/GA1). I am busy for some days. If you have some time, please take a look and address prose-related problems.--Redtigerxyz 04:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

No worries, started already. :) Alastair Haines (talk) 08:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the reorganization of "Etymology and other names". It is much better. I request you to please take a look at rest of the article too, possibly before a second reviewer arrives. About the historical present issue, please take decision about past and present - I am confused and you are better in language issues.--Redtigerxyz 16:45, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Rapture edit warring

I've noticed some edit-warring going on here. I don't know much about the topic, so it's hard for me to evaluate the actual material. Do you agree with the checkuser case recently filed; i.e., is the position advocated by Rossnixon and Osprey an unusual one? OhNoitsJamie 17:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. It is slightly unusual. No big deal.
The Rapture itself is a slightly unusual theology, but the current article deals with it soberly.
I'm getting the impression we have some youthful enthusiasts from a bouncy, boyant kind of upbeat US Christian background, editing with more optimism than wisdom.
Everything's moving too fast, but there's nothing nasty or sneaky.
Thanks very much for asking.
It's good if someone sensible steps in and stops good faith editors from hurting one another. Alastair Haines (talk) 17:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Patriarchy

I don't want to get involved with this article, but I've just warned the other 2 editors about personal attacks, and told Hammy not to rise to the debate. Butlin may be being deliberately provocative, but if I AGF I guess I could say he's just - stuck for the word, sorry. Dougweller (talk) 21:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I've not looked at the page recently. Last I saw, Hammy was making personal attacks, just as you say.
Duncan most certainly is provocative. He never attacks other editors (I think), but he is often scathing about classes of people.
From recollection, no one has actually been contributing anything much in the way of reliably sourced material to the article.
Eventually, I will get back to the article and restore a lot of sourced material that has been removed over protests and without consensus, and most of which had two years of essentially stable life.
I have noticed your sober and reasonable peace-making at the page.
It's a "high maintenance" page, I think you're wise to refrain from intimate involvement with the article.
I'll be alerting a range of people before I return to that page to restore and expand.
It shouldn't be a problem so long as there's a crowd of relatively neutral people around, upholding policy.
Have an outstandingly good day Doug. Very, very best to you in your excellent services to this project. Alastair Haines (talk) 07:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Please include my name as a potential member of the "crowd of relatively neutral people"......--Buster7 (talk) 13:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
With pleasure! :) Alastair Haines (talk) 02:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Wiki-Diet

I'm gaining Wiki-weight and my wife is a wiki-widow. I have a project in mind that requires your valuable insight. When I am ready I hope you can help. --Buster7 (talk) 02:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Wife before wiki.
A very sound policy, Ed.
But, with your wife's consent, I'm happy to be your comrade in any noble Wiki project you are masterminding.
Always at your service good Sir.
Alastair Haines (talk) 05:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


Monday is Veterans Day in the USA....Happy Memorial Day.....

.....--Buster7 (talk) 17:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Expanding the man cave

Thoughts? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I really, really, really don't like the men's movement.
A real man doesn't whinge.
He's not interested in others defining who he is.
Men do or die.
Sometimes one thing leads to the other.
A real man sees economic crisis as an opportunity to build something new himself.
The king is dead, long live the king!
The article? I believe every word. The opinions, conflicts and stats accord with what I've seen documented.
The connection with man caves? Yeah! Men like to do their own thing without being interfered with.
In fact, are women so different? It is human to be ingenious, creative and autonomous.
Homo sapiens is top of the food chain. Every one of us rules!
What interests me is the deal between couples that ends up producing and equipping the next generation.
I'm interested in familirarchy, and phamilifobia.
Nice find, thanks for sharing it with me. There's a good chance I'll drop the source in some article somewhere, sometime.
Bottom line, though, I think it is impotence not power to apply for official funding.
Girly (but Steve does have beautiful eyes).
Now please be fair.
I've told you my thoughts, please tell me yours. ;)
Alastair Haines (talk) 10:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I think it's an interesting enterprise, and I support explorations and experiments where people actively engage with ideologies and wrestle with them in meaningful and practical ways. I hope the students also engage with those who have oppositional perspectives and who are unhappy with his endeavor. He will learn a lot by listening to them. Hopefully colleges and universities can be places where critical thinking is encouraged and where the constraints and confines of political correctness and narrowmindedness are kept to a minimum. On the other hand, I spent some time abroad with a group and at the end of the trip when we shared our experiences, I realized that my experiences were very different than those of the women in the group, not just subjectively but objectively. You know the saying about not judging someone else before walking in their Moccasins...
Identity politics, gender issues, equal rights, equal opportunity, and broader notions of "equality" are very interesting indeed. I imagine any one person's perspective has a lot to do with his or her experiences in life. The latest Supreme Court nominee is a case in point.
I hope I haven't been too indirect in my response. Truly I'm not sure what to make of this young man's group. But I think the group raises some interesting issues, and I think that's a good thing. The discussion of the process by which someone is labeled "African-American" has also been broached a bit on the Obama article. The policies here support sticking with reliable sources (although alternative viewpoints are also supposed to be acknowledged), but I do think the issue itself raises some interesting issues. It seems to be more of a grey area for Tiger Woods, which I think is interesting in and of itself. I guess I'm drifting pretty far afield, but I think the issue of identity and grouping has a lot to do with this fellow's efforts to form a "man's group".
Cheers. Have a nice weekend. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Homo Sapiens may be at the top of the food chain but he had better take out the garbage and change that lightbulb if he knows whats good for him!--Buster7 (talk) 03:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
LoL Buster! But it's nice doing things for our friends. :) Alastair Haines (talk) 05:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
@ CoM. Thank you so much for replying and for straying far enough to actually say very clear and important things.
Yes, identity seems to be important to the human psyche. Some of it seems to be about working out who we are in ourselves, and some of it seems to be about working out both who else we are like, and who else we are not like. Some of it is solo, some is interactive. Some is subjective and some objective. But which is which is fascinating and complex. I'm suspicious when writers either deny that people have cultural or gender similiarities, or deny that people have cultural or gender differences. Whether tradition or political correctness silences research and publication, either is censorship, robbing us of a chance of benefitting from the work of others in working things out for ourselves.
I think Wiki has the right policies: do not try to say which "side" is correct (NPOV), write up every POV from the NPOV, stick to published work (RS), so we get the best work and document other people's arguments, rather than trying to resolve those among our own editorial volunteers. At Wiki all editors are equal: equally unreliable on matters of fact. The reliability of Wiki depends on keeping editorial opinion out and published opinion in.
If Wiki follows its policies, it will always contain material some people would prefer was deleted. Because everyone is given access, such material will be deleted from time to time. So part of Wiki will always be restoring sourced text deleted for personal reasons, whether those are acknowledged by the deleter or not. Unless work is done, Wiki is vulnerable to the lowest common denominator version of text: only what pleases all the people all the time will remain. And that's not a lot! Natural selection leads to erosion, not refinement at Wiki. That's why it needs policies and administration. Wiki is not built by an infinite number of monkeys, but by intelligent design. Whatever we may think of the physical universe around us. ;)
Shoot me down! But have a nice day anyway. I like you CoM. :) Alastair Haines (talk) 05:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

This is not the project I mentioned

Thanks for you effort on my behalf. No Problem with the deletion at all. But thanks anyway. Ive created a new article (my first) and I was just trying to creat a workspace for it. The speedy deletion WAS fast wasn't it. I wish admins were as efficient. See Middle Class Working Families Task Force...a work in progress.--Buster7 (talk) 03:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I'M Smiling...--Buster7 (talk) 04:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for you encouraging words

Hi Alistair,

Thanks for your encouraging words at User_talk:Muzhogg. I've been studying McGrath (mainly his treatment of Bhaskar) as part of a post-grad thesis and it's a world apart from Misplaced Pages. However, I'm finding the discipline of an encyclopedic medium very helpful. Even comments made in ignorance (or even malice) are simply a challenge to make submissions which are beyond criticism. Very challenging, but good fun.

I'll be sure to yell if I need to take you up on your offer of assistance.

Regards, Muzhogg (talk) 08:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

AfD for List of patriarchal cultures that have been claimed to be matriarchal

I just wanted to inform you that List of patriarchal cultures that have been claimed to be matriarchal has been nominated for deletion (see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of patriarchal cultures that have been claimed to be matriarchal (2nd nomination). My understanding is that you are the main author of that article. Calathan (talk) 16:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)