User talk:Ethelh - Misplaced Pages

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Yuri Foreman

I understand the preference for a consistent format throughout an individual article, and so have changed back those two. --Geniac (talk) 13:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

OK.--Ethelh (talk) 06:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

{{helpme}} Why am I red but others aren't?--Ethelh (talk) 06:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

You are red because there isn't currently anything on your userpage. If you want to be blue, all you need to do is add something to your userpage- it can be a complex userpage like I have, or just a sentence that says "This is Ethelh's userpage." Check out WP:USERPAGE for some things that userpages can be useful for. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Tx!--Ethelh (talk) 02:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Quote boxes

Rather than use all those quote boxes, can you instead find ways to incorporate those quotes into the text of the article? The boxes are cumbersome, and often are misformatted on certain monitors. It would help the articles instead if you could write the quotes into the existing texts. Kingturtle (talk) 04:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

In a GA article review that I worked on I was told, in contrast with your suggestion, to use quote boxes -- incorporating material that was already in the text of the article -- in order to improve the quality of the article. That was done, and the article was given GA status. Your view may be a personal one.--Ethelh (talk) 16:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

That is a fair answer. I just wonder if you are over using them. The boxes start to dominate the articles. Kingturtle (talk) 16:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I will keep that in mind. I've tried to limit the use to the better quotes. One article that does have 3 of them now, though, is Sam Fuld, where I have sought balance by limiting myself to that number and not adding a fourth. Happy new year.--Ethelh (talk) 16:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Jewish Baseball Players

We both follow the Jewish baseball scene. Let's work harder on agreeing who should be considered Jewish and who not. How about that? You use the Reform definition, but you leave out the most important part: raised as a Jew and living a Jewish life. Lists don't make one a Jew.

This user was a member of the League of Copyeditors.

Mwinog2777 (talk) 17:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Since no one decides who is not jewish and who is, either, you may add notes who is more jewish if you like. Ethnicity and religion are two different matters; you may add who is a religious based jew if you like that much. Living a jewish life, should a person ask how he will live a jewish life to religious doctrines, or other jews. What a misconception. Kasaalan (talk) 09:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Dead links

If the link on Craig Breslow‎ for that comment had been completely referenced, with the article title, publish date, source etc, I would not have deleted it. I will reference the policy as you suggest, but I would suggest to you that you learn how to create reference tags instead of straight links. With all the info those tags provide, there is no question to the authenticity of the reference. Hardnfast (talk) 11:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Craig Breslow

What seems to be the problem, and how may I help you? Prodego 20:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, the fellow who kept on deleting my entry finally agreed that it was correct to leave it in. Thanks very much.--Ethelh (talk) 17:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright, feel free to contact me if you need any additional help. Cheers! Prodego 00:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Re reports to WP:AIV

I would draw your attention to my response to your reporting of an ip to AIV. AIV is for urgent admin response for current disruption - cases of long term disruption from an ip address might be more properly addressed to WP:ANI where a group of admins and others can discuss what action should be taken. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Tx. Done.--Ethelh (talk) 22:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Jackal4

Jackal4 has run amok on a number of baseball pages. Pls take a look at my comments on his discussion page -- perhaps you can talk sense into him. Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I've noticed a bit of that, and will take a further look.--Ethelh (talk) 01:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean.--Ethelh (talk) 01:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing WP:NPOV on Josh Whitesell. I hadn't seen that. Good catch.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

FYI, Jackal4 has been blocked for the second time this month -- this time for a 30-day period. See .--Epeefleche (talk) 08:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

"Notable alumni" of minor league teams

Hi. Another editor, NatureBoyMD, has come up with what I think is a good and thoughtful template and conditions for a "notable alumni" list for a minor league team that interests him. See . I thought that before he finalizes it, it/he might benefit from you taking a glance at it, and giving him any comments that you may have, since I could see it being used for other minor league teams (its better than anything I've seen), and you are a baseball editor whose views I respect. Feel free to leave your comments on it for him on my home talk page at the above url, as that is where he and I have been discussing it. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?

For each alumnus I removed, I checked the source, and found that there was inadequate citation there. Also, I have no motives other than ensuring all information about living persons is sourced. I'm sure the Exeter article has the same problems, but I can't put in the effort to fix it. --Taeshadow (talk) 16:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Commas and quotes

My edits were correct and in line with the manual of style - see the heading "Inside or outside" at Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style#Quotation marks. Colonies Chris (talk) 22:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, Ethelh, WP treats quoted material as precisely as possible; we do not insert extraneous final punctuation that is not in the original. This may go against what some US schools teach their children, but that is neither here nor there. Tony (talk) 03:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: David D'Or

It seems like a borderline case. I chose to assess the article as low-priority because, while I'm not going to remove any sourced info from the article, the lead statements don't strike me as correct at all, especially the part about being the 'most acclaimed singer'. Actually he's not that well-known and most artists who represented Israel in Eurovision as also highly-acclaimed and got numerous local awards. You have a point about Eurovision though, it's considered fairly important in Israel, so perhaps we should auto-assess every Eurovision representative as mid- or higher, and I will change the rating accordingly. —Ynhockey 21:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I wonder how many Israeli singers have been both Singer of the Year and represented Israel in Eurovision? I imagine those would be an elite few, and they would include him. Would think that all in that category would be higher than "low priority."--Ethelh (talk) 21:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

David D'Or

Yes, I believe it would help improve the article greatly if the citations were repeated. Afkatk (talk) 05:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Date linking

I saw this. Date linking for autoformatting is deprecated so it isn't necessary or helpful to do this. --John (talk) 13:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Luis Castillo

Hi. I removed a navbox from the bottom of the article because Castillo was not linked in it. Sorry for the shorthand explanation, as that was one of many articles where I was doing the same thing. Thanks, let me know if you have any oter questions. - Masonpatriot (talk) 01:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

You are correct. If I deleted something else it was in error. My apologies and thanks for letting me know. Sometimes I mess something up when doing repetitive edits on multiple pages. - Masonpatriot (talk) 02:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

AIV note

Regarding this: Except in rare cases, we do not permanently block IP addresses, so don't make that threat. Daniel Case (talk) 22:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't continued vandalism-only use be such a case?--Ethelh (talk) 22:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

List of vegetarians

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to List of vegetarians, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Misplaced Pages:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Betty Logan (talk) 14:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Responses (some of which you have deleted, I see) are on your talk page. It's probably best to keep the discourse in one place, so that it can be reviewed more easily by interested persons.--Ethelh (talk) 15:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

looking for help

I'd suggest that you should go to an uninvolved admin for help, rather than people who've had arguments with the user before. Alternately, try the IRC channel #wikipedia-en on irc.freenode.net. --Killing Vector (talk) 15:52, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ... I was frankly looking for someone with experience with the user, who might therefore be able to get through to the user -- especially who has addressed the same issues previously.--Ethelh (talk) 15:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages category sorting guidelines

Please read Misplaced Pages:Categorization of people#Ordering names in a category, especially "other exceptions". It's not obvious, but names with apostrophes, non-initial capital letters, and non-capital initial letters actually have to be mis-spelt to have them sort correctly in categories. This is actually standard in virtually all English reference works; see for example, the Encyclopedia Britannica online index, here. Note how in their index, the article for Philip D'Antoni comes between the articles for George-Jacques Danton and Danton's Death. This is sorting method is motivated by the fact that there are a number of surnames in English that have multiple spelling variants, differing only by trivial punctuation or case; "D'Arcy/Darcy" and "duBois/Dubois/DuBois" are examples. A proper sort places them all adjacent, sub-sorted on first name. By the way, the Britannica (and the New York Times and many but not all other references) also does something we don't do; removing all spaces in the sort keys. Keep in mind that the DEFAULTSORT statement only specifies a sort key; it does not change anything displayed - the article's title is always what is displayed in a category. Studerby (talk) 06:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

FA Nomination; Ryan Braun

Hi. I've nominated Ryan Braun to be a Featured Article. As you were a frequent editor, you may wish to contribute your view as to whether it should be a FA. The discussion of the FA comment process can be found at , and the page that you can go in through to leave comments is the article's talk page at . Same holds for Kevin Youkilis. Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry; as I pointed out on that page I think Kevin Youkilis still needs some work before it qualifies as FA. I do think that Ryan Braun is ready, however, whenever that one comes up for review, except for a few citations which need fixing and I suggest be fixed first.--Ethelh (talk) 06:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Huh?

Look more carefully: , , , and more. --Sift&Winnow 06:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Were the edits reasonable? If so, what's the problem? --Sift&Winnow 06:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

In your scouring of my user page, you seem to have overlooked this interchange:

How do you find out the changes so fast? Do you watch ? RoyalbroilAlt 20:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalbroilAlt (talk • contribs)

Yup. Then I pick and choose the things I'm interested in. Sometimes I follow the edits of other editors who seem interested in the same things as me, not to wikistalk, but just to find interesting material. --Sift&Winnow 20:46, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Good plan. It's the way of the wiki. Royalbroil 21:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Why on earth I would want to wikistalk someone like you is beyond me (or anyone, I would think). But believe whatever fairy tales you wish. Fantasy is free. --Sift&Winnow 18:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Wozniak

Hi - I rated Aleksandra Wozniak as low importance because relative to articles about Canada, that's how athletes generally rate. Please note that Mike Weir is also rated low, and even Wayne Gretzky is only rated Mid. PK T(alk) 12:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Epeefleche

Just how many WP user IDs do you have, Epeefleche?? How do you decide when to edit as Epeefleche and when as Ethelh? 12.76.136.149 (talk) 17:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Milford, CT/Cromwell, CT? Is this Betty?--Ethelh (talk) 02:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and you edit anonymously as 68.173.101.114 too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.76.144.56 (talk) 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello Betty Logan. Nice to hear from you, and thanks for using an anonymous IP (also from Connecticut, I see) to assert that I edit anonymously -- that made my day. Don't forget as well Mwinog2777, Kasaalan, Winnow|Sift, and Baseball Bugs. I appreciate your attention.--Ethelh (talk) 19:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)