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definition of term in ArbCom motion?

Kirill, Sorry to pester, but I wonder whether you could outlay a few minutes to provide an opinion on the definition of "mass delinking" with respect to the examples given; and possibly to liaise with other arbitrators about the matter. I think it would be unhelpful for admins to be engaged in circular debate with editors—and running to arbitrators for advice—about whether their edits fall inside or outside the ambit of Motion 1.3. Thanks in advance. Tony (talk) 05:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, and while I'm here, could I refer you to what I think is an excellent policy proposal by Ckatz concerning a way to address the continuing thorn in our sides: identity deception (last para here)? The current situation seems to take up far too much admin and arbcom time, and I believe it erodes trust between editors, and community confidence. As MBisantz points out, the WMF would need to be involved in such a solution, but the second bullet on this page (wmf:Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Data_retention_policy) seems to leave the door open. Tony (talk) 05:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

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ArbCom dates case

Hi, I haven't been following the dates case for the sake of my sanity, but am shocked to discover that I've suddenly been banned from "style and editing guideline pages" for 3 months, including discussion pages. This is absolutely bizarre to me - I can't imagine what of my behaviour could have provoked such a long ban (3RR infringers get 24 hours, and though I may have been provoked into edit wars a few times, I don't think I've even done anything as bad as a 3RR infringement). In particular I see no reason why I should be banned from discussion pages - there's no sugggestion I've been uncivil there. Since you voted for this restriction, can you explain why? Also is there anything I can do to get it overturned - I feel it is horribly unjust in view of the contributions I've made in this area, including continually seeking consensus in difficult situations. I think I'm being punished here for the sins of others. Anyway, explain your reasoning please.--Kotniski (talk) 13:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


I applaud your decision on Obama articles but it is not enough. There are other editors not mentioned and some got off too lightly.

The mess with Obama hurts Misplaced Pages. I used to contribute until about a year ago because some Obama people were just too nasty. Suggest a good edit and they jump all over you. Many people not listed have a clear political agenda (only positive things and oppose all neutral or negative things for some; only negative things and oppose all positive things for others).

One trouble is that people write something and have a reference. But there is no editorial consideration of what goes in the article. As a result, there is more positive stuff and negative stuff is censored because more people are disciples of Obama than haters.

This mess also hurts Misplaced Pages that I've decided only to read Misplaced Pages, not add to it. If I see something that is poorly written, I think "why help?". There is no appreciation for helping but swift attacks by people who have a political agenda. Then they stalk you in the other articles.

The solution to Obama hasn't been reached. ArbCom has taken a long time but just nipped a few people. A real solution would be to have professional reviewers, even English and History teachers to act as referees. This would be done only in exceptional cases, such as the Obama article and only for a limited period, such as 3-4 months. Until then, I don't write for Misplaced Pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Formerwiki (talk • contribs) 20:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Cold War Task Force

I don't know if you remember me, but you welcomed me to the Military History WikiProject. I recently proposed that a task force be made for the Cold War. I was wondering that if you liked the idea, you could put your support on the Military History talk page. -JayLeno175 (talk) 16:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

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Clarification of "related discussion"

Dear Kirill

I write to you in your capacity as Coordinating Arbitrator. Ryan has been issuing warnings such as this and this and this to the revelant parties in the recent Date Linking case who've !voted in the full-date unlinking bot RFC, related to the remedies concerning these bans from style and editing guidelines, and any related discussions". The clerk has taken the lead from a comment by User SilkTork, No. 10 here.

I wonder whether you could read my note to Ryan on this matter and clear up what is very possibly a misunderstanding. Tony (talk) 16:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Yes, I am one of the editors Ryan warned. I find “style guides and related discussions” to be exceedingly clear: WP:MOS, WT:MOS, WP:MOSNUM, WT:MOSNUM; that is, don’t edit the style-guide pages and don’t argue about things on their respective talk pages. I expected participation with a simple vote in RfCs, where there is slim to no potential to be uncivil to someone would be fine. That is, after all, the basis for my restriction: incivility to others. I note that SilkTork commented in the RfC as follows: this discussion is *flying close* to the spirit of that ban (my emphasis). Restrictions on Misplaced Pages are to be interpreted least restrictively to prevent harm, not most restrictively. As far as I can see, the only “flame war” here is one of SilkTork’s making; otherwise, everything on the RfC was going quite peaceably. Greg L (talk) 16:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
  • OK. I see your response to Ryan’s talk page. How long is this to go on? How do I get out from under it? Greg L (talk) 17:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
    • You're under an indefinite variant of the ban, so the best way to have it removed would be to continue contributing productively to the project while the situation with these guidelines stabilizes. We'll be considerably more receptive to appeals once we're confident that the debate has been settled and that your presence won't reignite the conflict. Kirill  17:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Upon reflection… Quoting you: … while the situation with these guidelines stabilizes. We'll be considerably more receptive to appeals once we're confident that the debate has been settled and that your presence won't reignite the conflict. My fear is that date linking will be like a herpes infection: it never goes away and one keeps getting outbreaks for life. Accordingly, there will always be times where my presence could “ignite” a situation with dates; particularly if it’s six months from now and Locke comes back. I ask that when it comes to setting the milestone at which I can get unrestricted, that the Arbs not set a goal of “some future time when the date linking/delinking issue goes away”; that will take a long while. So…

    That brings me to an even better solution for you guys: Let me back on to WT:MOS, WP:MOS, WP:MOSNUM, and WT:MOSNUM for everything else I do there (math, science, and units of measurement), and just keep me out of anything to do with date linking/delinking for six months to a year. I never was all that animated about date linking in the first place; my record never once shows me going in and delinking mass quantities of dates—perhaps only one date ever few weeks or so. The only exception to this proposed restriction would be if the date linking issue pertains to an article on which I am a major contributor; I should be able to restore an article I’ve been working on to make it MOSNUM-compliant if someone goes in and links a date, or if it is a date-related discussion on my talk page or that of one of my wikifriends. This results in “Greg L” entirely out of date linking and lets MOSNUM benefit from my contributions on math and science issues.

    Between the above and my pledge to exercise as restraint and employ as much civility as any admin out there, doesn’t this seem like a perfectly reasonable solution that meets all your objectives? Greg L (talk) 22:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Please delete user/disc pages; warn jayron/redpen/mufka

Hello kirill, If you could please delete my page and page history, I'd be much obliged.

I requested speedy deletion on 1Apr for reason 1.6. jayron deleted it, then acted as if s/he did me a favour. I feel jayron shouldnt have been the one to delete it initially as s/he and I have negatively interacted in the past. Followups from jayron included an unneccesary block; followed by telling me to get a yahoo email so that I may contact wiki admins!

Wiki is all about anon editing : as such I didnt and wont get an email account in order to communicate as it is not required.

Since then jayron,redpen, mufka have been repeatedly editing my page. I blank my page they restore it. This has been happening since April, so for 3months now. I bet if I changed their pages they'd posting threats of "i'll report you" and/or "you will be banned". It is quite easy for me to get a new ip address but I dont think Ive done anything wrong, so I wont change my ip address.

If my pages needed to be restored /reverted, I definitely think those three arent the ones who should do it as they/I have a convoluted history.

If you could please delete my page and page history, I'd be much obliged.
If you could contact jayron, redpen, & mufka & ask that any problems they have they let an admin or arbitrator know, instread of making changes or posting to me. I'd like to edit wiki in peace Thanks. 173.79.58.33 (talk) 17:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)