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We disagree on who the wronged party is; hence, the disagreement. And you have provided no evidence of wrongdoing on my part. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 02:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

(more on this in a bit...)

Hi, Arcayne, you've asked about my intent. I look things over, and call it as I see it. Since this discussion arose over the recent warning you were given about the Arrest of Henry Louis Gates article, I've had a look at it. At the article talk page three editors expressed concern over using mug shot as the main image in the infobox, and JN466 replaced it by the double picture. You wrote "And why was the image of the mugshot not retained elsewhere in the article?" and Mattnad who also objected reverted the change. Following a brief discussion JN inserted the mugshot in the Arrest section and replaced it in the infobox with the double picture. You then began reverting to keep the disputed image in the lead and demanding consensus before the change. Wrong. Per WP:BLP, "Article improvement to a neutral high quality standard is preferred if possible, with dubious material removed if necessary until issues related to quality of sources, neutrality of presentation, and general appropriateness in the article have been discussed and resolved." All the other editors appear to have accepted that the layout was dubious, and accepted the compromise. Consensus was required if the dubious image was to be kept in the infobox, not the other way around. Far from accepting that policy, you made a false and bullying accusation on agr's talk page that he was "reverting images over and over again" and that he should "maybe take a little break,, and come back and build a consensus". After that, agr raised the issue at BLPN, where KC responded and gave you the warning. In response you called the warning a "bogus claim" and threatened "repercussions".
Let's examine the issues you have raised about the warning, in the section you have now archived. Firstly, "continuing to add 'defamatory content' would find me blocked.(1), this despite the fact that nothing of the sort had been added to the article". You were adding the image in dispute to the infobox, in clear violation of BLP as cited above. "The image itself possesses no defamatory portion, nor would a neutral view of my actions be considered part of a "smear" campaign, and I take specific offense at that particularly base, unfounded and bad faith accusation. A look at the article discussion would support my characterization of the image." Several editors disagreed with you, as is clearly shown by the talk page, and the consensus is that its use in the lead is inappropriate. KC did say "Cease your campaign to make this article a smear; cease edit warring." and while that's not actually a reference to a "smear" campaign and refers to the effect of your actions rather than intent, it could be misunderstood.
Regarding edit warring, you stated "Even if that were the reason (and, looking back over the warning, it was indeed there, tucked in at the very end of the warning, right after accusing me of engaging in a racist "smear" campaign), we both understand that it takes two to edit-war. To illustrate my point, allow me to ask if KC warned any of the other participants of the edit-warring (including the editor filing the BLP noticeboard complaint) the same warning?" Where did that "racist" come from? I've not seen any edits where KC accused you of that. As before, making the article a smear is not the same as engaging in a smear campaign. As for warning other editors, they'd each only reverted you once, restoring the version with majority support and least BLP concerns, as required by policy. Admins warn editors making multiple reverts, as you'd done. You complain that you've "received three warnings from KillerChihuahua in as many months.... And yet, not once in the past three months have I been offered an apology", and demand that she stop dealing with your misdeeds. You don't get to pick and choose which admin deals with you, and think yourself lucky it wasn't someone who just looked at your record and decided that you should know by now about edit warring and didn't need another warning. As for an apology, you've falsely accused agr of edit warring, and far from apologising continued to bluster when that was pointed out. Your reputation for acting properly would be greatly enhanced if you were to apologise to him. . dave souza, talk 21:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I will respond to this email in due course with DIFFS. As for an apology, I am fairly certain that successful alchemy has a better chance of happening. - Arcayne () 00:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

The stone is still grinding

I hate to ask you to look at this again, but Talk:Batman: Battle for the Cowl#Blackest Night tie-in is still running.

I'm really starting to think it turning into a badger game and I'm getting tired of having to hit the same point to this editor over and over.

- J Greb (talk) 04:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Seek admin input, J; I've talked 'til I was blue in the face, and he simply doesn't get it. I am going to assume good faith that he is not purposely missing the point, but its growing increasingly difficult to assume such. We both have other things to do; bring the problem to some admins who aren't afraid of reinventing the wheel, or file an RfC about the nonsense, and maybe the crush of voices will tell him what we have for weeks. I wish I could help, but with work and family issues, I'm going to be of little help, my friend. - Arcayne () 08:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Understandable... take care and I hope things work out. - J Greb (talk) 14:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

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