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Ok, thank you. I am reading thru the "guidelines". Thanks for your feed-back. User:IZAK

Hi IZAK. Can I just check that you know how to do a redirect? It's just that I've corrected a couple that you've created. To create a redirect, type #REDIRECT ] with no return. -- Graham  :) | Talk 22:58, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

IZAK, I moved your Mormon Israelites section to the Mormonism article. Thanks a bunch for the contribution! Tom (hawstom) 21:59, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

IZAK, I am told this contribution of yours needs to go in the Mormonism and Judaism article, but I am too lazy to put it there myself. Would it be too much of an imposition to ask you to do it? Tom (hawstom) 04:59, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mormon Israelites

Some branches of Mormonism, as well as other modern religions, maintain that their members are Israelites. Most prominently the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) holds that those who are baptized by a Latter-day Saint (LDS) Priesthood authority become an Israelite and thereby become one of God's chosen people by covenanting with God in baptism. By being confirmed as a member of the LDS Church and given the "gift" of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, a member is said to become an "adopted" Israelite, whether or not there are biological relations to ancient Israelites.

One popular doctrine in Mormonism is that ten lost tribes of Israel exist in the form of their Gentile descendents, and in the future they will gather in the Americas and establish a new Zion. The tenth Article of Faith of the LDS Church states, "We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes". The LDS Church maintains that this is actually occuring in the current day, as people are converted. This is discussed in more detail in the article on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. See also Mormonism and Judaism.

Did so as you requested. IZAK

Yet again I am finding myself clearing up all your redirects after you. Have you actually read the message I left for you above? -- Graham  :) | Talk 03:18, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Dear Graham, Thanks for the good work. Sorry, I do seem to have overlooked the finer points of the "redirects"! Thanks for bringinging this to my attention. IZAK

Hi IZAK,

I'd appreciate it if you were more careful with edit summaries. A recent edit summary of yours to Jew made it sound as you though were an admin asking others to limit links in the Conservative section to 3. First of all, I don't believe you are an admin (unless I missed something completely). Second of all, admins aren't anybody special -- we just handle extra tasks. We certainly shouldn't ever, as a principle of Wikiquette, throw our weight around by saying "I, as an admin, tell you to do this" -- that wouldn't be right. And if you're saying that, whether or not you're an admin, you're giving the impression to others that admins can do this: not good. I'm assuming you just misspoke, but I really hope you'll try to avoid this in the future. It reflects badly on the work we do here when we mislead others, especially when we mislead them about our personal rights and powers. Thanks, Jwrosenzweig 20:38, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I've looked at things a little more -- it appears you were following Raul's request. Don't worry too much about it, but (for the reasons above) please do avoid it in the future! Thanks. :-) Jwrosenzweig 20:41, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jw, as you see, I have not tried to be an "admin". In the brief few words alloted to a summary, I was conveying to someone else the message that there HAD been a request from an admin person to cut links down. Sometimes you can't "win"... :-) IZAK

pro-Nazi Arabs such as Anwar Sadat were imprisoned

Hi IZAK -- It's a pretty serious allegation that Anwar Sadat was "pro-Nazi" as opposed to "anti-British" -- do you have some citations that are pretty clear that he was a supporter of the Nazis? Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 03:22, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)

HI Bcorr: I am surprised you do not know this piece of important history. See even the source Mustafaa cites says clearly: "...And finally, the young Sadat admired Adolf Hitler whom the anticolonialist Sadat viewed as a potential rival to British control..." IZAK 04:39, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

See some important examples from the web:

• Islam’s Nazi Connections :"...Major Nazi sympathizers of this era include Ahmed Shukairi, the first chairman of the PLO; Gamal Abdel Nasser and Anwar Sadat, future presidents of Egypt; and the founders of the Pan-Arab socialist Ba' ath party, currently ruling Syria and Iraq. One Ba'ath leader has since recalled of this time: "We were racists, admiring Nazism, reading their books and sources of their thought. We were the first who thought of translating Mein Kampf." Many of the Nazi sympathizers of this era have never repudiated their beliefs; some still openly parade them....Thankfully, the Nazis of course lost WWII and the abortive alliance between Islam and Nazism never panned out. Sadly, there exist Moslems today, not on the fringes but in the mainstream of their nations, who still view this as a great lost opportunity based on profound natural affinities." IZAK 04:39, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

• Islamism, fascism and terrorism : "Islamism, or fascism with an Islamic face, was born with and of the Muslim Brotherhood. It proved (and improved) its fascist core convictions and practices through collaboration with the Nazis in the run-up to and during World War II. It proved it during the same period through its collaboration with the overtly fascist "Young Egypt" (Misr al-Fatah) movement, founded in October 1933 by lawyer Ahmed Hussein and modeled directly on the Hitler party, complete with paramilitary Green Shirts aping the Nazi Brown Shirts, Nazi salute and literal translations of Nazi slogans. Among its members, Young Egypt counted two promising youngsters and later presidents, Gamal Abdel Nasser and Anwar El-Sadat. Whether al-Banna, who had already been in contact with German agents since the 1936-39 Palestine uprising against the British, or someone else introduced Sadat and his free officer comrades to German military intelligence is not known. But in the summer of 1942, when Rommel's Afrikakorps stood just over 100 kilometers from Alexandria and were poised to march into Cairo, Sadat, Nasser and their buddies were in close touch with the German attacking force and - with Brotherhood help - preparing an anti-British uprising in Egypt's capital. A treaty with Germany including provisions for German recognition of an independent, but pro-Axis Egypt had been drafted by Sadat, guaranteeing that "no British soldier would leave Cairo alive". When Rommel's push east failed at El Alamein in the fall of 1942, Sadat and several of his co-conspirators were arrested by the British and sat out much of the remainder of the war in jail...." IZAK 04:39, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

• Beyond the Pale: Nazism, Holocaust denial and the Arab world :"...When in 1953 a rumour spread that Hitler was still alive, the Egyptian newspaper Al Musawwar asked several leading Egyptian personalities to write him a personal letter. One of those who did so was Anwar Sadat. His message was this: "My dear Hitler! I congratulate you from the bottom of my heart. Even if you appear to have been defeated, in reality you are the victor. You succeeded in creating dissentions between Churchill, the old man, and his allies, the Sons of Satan ... Germany will be reborn in spite of the Western and Eastern powers. There will be no peace unless Germany once again becomes what she was." IZAK 04:39, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

• 1942-1952, Egpyt: Nasser's Nazis and the CIA : "In the summer of 1942, when German General Erwin Rommel’s Afrikakorps were poised to march into Cairo, Anwar Sadat, Gamal Nasser and their buddies were in close touch with the attacking force and –with help from the Muslim Brother hood – were preparing an anti-British uprising in Egypt’s capital. A treaty with Germany had been drafted by Sadat. It included provisions for German recognition of an independent, but pro-Axis Egypt, and guaranteed that“no British soldier would leave Cairoalive.” When Rommel’s push east failed in the fall of 1942, Sadat and several of his co-conspirators were arrested by the British and sat out much of the remainder of the war in jail. Islamist-fascist collaboration did not cease with war’s end. King Farouk brought large numbers of German military and intelligence personnel as well as ranking ex-Nazis into Egypt as advisors. It was a bad move. Several of the Germans, recognizing Farouk’s political weakness, soon began conspiring with Nasser and his “Free Officers,” who, in turn, were working closely with the Muslim Brotherhood, to overthrow the king..." IZAK 04:39, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)