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Regarding the Neutral Point of View of the article

Please, write only facts, in a NEUTRAL way, not opions. Write in an encyclopedic way.
To prevent a new edit war: People of WGKF are kindly requested to write any contradicting information in the article about WGKF. People from GKIF are requested not to touch that article and people from WGKF are requested not to touch this article about GKIF to prevent another EDIT WAR and keep the whole story as neutral and honest as possible. Also a link to the main article Genseiryu should be kept in both articles at all times, since they are a continuation of that article... Thank you for your co-operation! -- MarioR 21:42, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

About the article

Comment by the president of G.K.I.F. in Denmark/Europe:
(Please note, that this article is NOT a continuation of the so-called main article Genseiryu). All other articles at Misplaced Pages (a.o. sites) that are supposed to be about Genseiryu, actually contains so much diliberate misinformation and lies, that we at the Genseiryu Karate-do International Federation (Denmark/Europe), have decided to make an effort in keeping THIS article clean with proper and correct information in contrast to the misinformation of the other articles. If, after reading this article, you might still doubt what you have read (everyone can edit this article if they so pleases), then please discard the information from Misplaced Pages completely, and find the researched history of Genseiryu at the below mentioned sites. All information at these particular sites, is written solely by people with the proper authority to do so. Thanks. Peter Lee 22:24, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

To this comment by "a president" of some club I have to write the following: it's probably needless to say, but claiming to be a president of anything, doesn't mean automatically you are right about everything you say! Besides, your comment "we at the GKIF have decided to make an effort in keeping..." is extremely exaggerated, since it is only YOUR decision and does not follow any central meeting inside the organization.

All the information written in the article Genseiryu is written according to a Neutral Point of View, highlighting the fact that there are two organizations that are telling contradictory information. Then from that article I created a link to WGKF and one to GKIF so that the story of both parties can be told from their point of view. I let you write your story even though it contradicts totally with the one of WGKF. I never touched that story! You on the other hand had to vandalize the article WGKF over and over again, writing the story of GKIF in that article, even though it doesn't belong there.

It is wrong to say that any of this information is deliberate misinformation or lies. This only shows that you do not want to contribute to the neutrality of Misplaced Pages. I urge anybody to read the information on Genseiryu and compare it to information that can be found elsewhere on Internet (e.g. , ) and also read the information on the article about the World Genseiryu Karatedo Federation. Thank you! -- MarioR 16:39, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Orphan?

Jmcw37 claims that this article is an orphan. Misplaced Pages:Orphan#Criteria says the following:

Criteria

An article is orphaned if fewer than three other articles link to it. However, this is a strict definition of the term and there is still discussion regarding whether to have a more relaxed definition in order to clear the backlog of orphans. Currently our priority is to focus on orphans with NO incoming links at all, and it is recommended to only place the {{orphan}} tag if the article has ZERO incoming links from other articles. One or two incoming links may be sufficient as long as they're relevant.

So, since there is a link from Genseiryū, this article is not really an orphan. I suggest that the {{orphan}} tag be removed. --MarioR 22:03, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. --NeilN 22:31, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Removed some sentences

I took it upon me to remove some sentences in the article. Here an explanation. First I removed "A short history of each kata can also be read at the before mentioned site. These are translations from the book and are of course copyrighted material and should be treated as such at all times." The link was already removed in a previous edit, because it was an external site with no info about the claim made. So the reference was not valid. The fact that a book is "copyrighted material" is of course logical and unnecessary to mention in an article. Sounds kind of threatening ("do not copy this, or else...")...

Furthermore I removed "Any other versions or interpretations of these kata are not to be considered as Genseiryū.". This is a claim made by Peter Lee. The organization of the original Genseiryū claims otherwise and in various documents and books other kata that Seiken Shukumine (founder of Genseiryū) taught are mentioned... MarioR 22:49, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

This is not true, Mario Roering, and you know that VERY well. I have presented you with the evidence, the links etc. the documents from the Japan Karate-do Federation are official and is a third party reference. The way you keep putting this issue on my shoulders is manipulative and incorrect. The claim is a valid one, as has been explained, shown etc. according to the evidence. If you dispute the reference, fine, but then please present another reference. Your aim in this or any other article in regard to Genseiryu is not a noble one. Your aim here is to manipulate your way in and to delete and confuse everybody. You should be stopped from editing, period. Stop vandalizing and sabotaging the articles here. Peter Lee (talk) 00:12, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

The quote Mario took out needs a source before it can be put back in and perhaps should be followed by "according to the Japan Karate-do Federation" (or re-worked into the previous sentence). --NeilN 01:06, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I see, but that evidence has been provided numerously on so many occasions that I can no longer remember how many times I have put it here. So here it is again, just for Mario Roering, once again. Official Documents from the Japan Karate-do Federation in Japanese with English translations. Peter Lee (talk) 01:28, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Interwiki links

Peter, I clicked on the first three interwiki links you added and none of the articles exist. Why are you adding links to non-existent articles? --NeilN 02:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, that was a mistake. A simple copy and paste error from my original file. I have corrected the matter. Peter Lee (talk) 04:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

P.S. From Help:Interlanguage_links#Links_to_pages_that_do_not_exist: "If you find blank interlanguage links on the English Misplaced Pages, they may be deleted as having no content or you can comment them out. It is strongly recommended that you create at least a stub page before adding interlanguage links to it. Later, interested people can translate the rest of the page content from the original language to the new one for which the link was made." --NeilN 02:12, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. Peter Lee (talk) 04:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)