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New 3RR report. You may not have any warnings left

Hello Shamir1. See WP:AN3#User:Shamir1 reported by User:George (Result: ). Feel free to respond to that complaint. You've already been blocked four times for 3RR, which can't be chalked up to misunderstanding. You seem to fit the pattern of a long-term edit warrior. If you would wait until at least one person supports your edit on the article's talk page, you would not be having this problem. Be aware that if an admin closes this 3RR case closes with a block, it may be a long one, because you seem very resistant to following our policies. Unless you show us that you've had a dramatic change of heart, I don't see much future for you on Misplaced Pages. EdJohnston (talk) 19:38, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 3 months to prevent further disruption caused by your engagement in an edit war. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

Template:Z9 Long-term warring at Washington Institute for Near East Policy, which continued after four previous blocks for 3RR. Any admin may lift this block if they are convinced that you are willing to follow Misplaced Pages policies, which require a sincere effort to find consensus, and a willingness to abide by decisions reached on article talk pages. The full report that led to this block is at WP:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive117#User:Shamir1 reported by User:George (Result: 3 mos). EdJohnston (talk) 06:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Shamir1 (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

I had long suggested dispute resolution myself, and I am saddened by that simplistic description of my many edits, since I feel I have offered constructive additions to many articles in line with Misplaced Pages policy. I truly only thought I was doing my best with some contentious information on the article. I respect your warning but I feel like I should have been given a chance to respond. I would have gladly reverted or accepted a revert upon now logging on given your concerns. I did not ignore this message; please allow me the opportunity to correct this. I regret not having had this opportunity (as other editors have) by not having been able to log in earlier, and I kindly ask you to consider this. For an explanation of my edit: I feel this situation is skewed since only George's narrative and perspective is given, attempting to paint a bad picture of me in order to block me. The conclusions he made about me are not true. I very much tried to avoid an edit war so I kept many of George's edits but put them in the proper places in the article, as done with other article. George constantly reverted without any regard to WP:NPOV or addressing the concerns I brought up. I do not see why George's edits/reverts are acceptable when his lacked consensus. The 3RR Rule I violated in the past were done in the past and done sincerely out of mistake, however I must note that George reported me for reverting 3 times over a period that was not 24 hours, and I was unaware that is could still be a violation. If this is so, then User:George, has committed this well more than one time himself, unfortunately intensifying an edit war. He seemed very eager to block me for the very things he was doing--constantly reverting, engaging in edit wars. However, in any case, I have long abandoned that practice and kept an eye over myself. It would have been more productive if George engaged in discussion and instead took the time to opt for proper dispute resolution. I would be happy to do this. I wish I would at least have had a chance to defend myself. My edits were not significant ones; I did not compromise the integrity of the article, Washington Institute for Near East Policy. The changes I made are of course noted when you compare edits, and I think it is clear why I thought an editor's edits seemed loaded and biased. Is this really deserving of a 3-month block? I have made many constructive edits to this article and others. George had been using sources that were by any definition POV to include it in the body of the article. I did not blindly revert; as an editor I placed certain information in the appropriate sections (i.e., in "Criticism"), and I added sources to some of the uncited claims on the page. I agreed that The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy can be used to state the POV of the authors, but George insisted on including it as part of the article's neutral text. I was opposed to some of the loaded language User:George used that was uncalled for, which unfortunately gave a distorted picture of the subject of the article. The other articles on Misplaced Pages that cite this document do so in exactly the same fashion as I proposed. We may not agree, my point here is not to convince you, but I think you can understand my position and why I felt this way. I think the article has a problem with neutrality and strongly encourage an editor to note that with a tag in the article. In the last few weeks, in a period that is longer than a month I only edited the article a handful of times (I believe only 3). Each time I clearly explained each and every individual edit, clearly explaining to George why some of his edits were loaded and violated the rules of neutrality. I gave him several examples, engaged in civil discussion, gave him ample time to review and consider this. Again this was over a particularly long period, my and George's (who filed this request) actions have been quite similar. Even if one would criticize my or George's actions, I do not see it close to deserving of a 3-month block. I made use of the discussion page and raised valid concerns of WP:NPOV. This seems very extreme; If I did something incorrect here, I will stop, since I really only thought I was being civil by engaging in dialogue on the discussion page. I did not think that what I was doing was wrong; I was trying to express concerns of NPOV to an editor. If this was a mistake then I am sorry and I will completely refrain from editing that article altogether until a formal dispute resolution process is completed, because I think the the concerns I raised were legitimate and would be easily understandable to others. I am sorry if I misunderstood or anything, and again, I am committed to behave as a responsible editor. I apologize if I did anything out of line, and will aim to cooperate with a formal mode of dispute resolution. Thanks for your understanding. --Shamir1 (talk) 04:04, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Your request is very WP:TLDR, but if I understand correctly, you are saying you didn't do anything, it's all a misunderstanding, and your really really sorry and won't do it again. Those are contradictory statements. Given your previous blocks for edit warring it is difficult to believe this was just a misunderstanding, and if it was, what is it you are falling all over yourself apologizing for? Beeblebrox (talk) 22:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


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Could you summarize your unblock request, please? Massive walls of text are more apt to be ignored. -Jeremy 08:32, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Yup. I won't review that long a request, either.  Sandstein  11:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
If you can't give a reason in 100 words or less it cannot be a cogent reason. Impassioned argument in the face of reality does not work. --Anthony.bradbury 21:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


Please read the guide for appealing blocks, and - as recommended - provide a short reasoning for your unblock request. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Shamir1 (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

I respect your warning, and was unaware that my rather infrequent edits could constitute an edit war. I did not blindly revert. I was always civil, engaged in dialogue, and consistently kept up discussion in talk, explaining why an edit could violate WP:NPOV. I am committed to editing responsibly, and did not remove much material but rather I carefully organized them in appropriate sections in the article. I believed that I was editing responsibly this way, but appears that this is not case. If this is true, then I have learned my lesson, and I would like to continue to make constructive edits to other articles, the vast majority of which have been appreciated and gone by without controversy. As to this article, I do not plan on editing it at all until a formal dispute resolution process is completed, since I believe my concerns are valid and would be easily understandable. The administrator who enforced the block was patient enough to allow me a few days to log on to heed his warning first, but I unfortunately had not logged on until now. I respect this and kindly ask for the opportunity to correct my apparent mistake. Thank you. --Shamir1 (talk) 23:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Decline reason:

No. Given your history to evade your block through sock puppet accounts as well as the persistent edit-warring before, I have to agree with Hersfold below that an unblock is not warranted at this time. MuZemike 09:38, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


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Normally I would consider this and likely unblock you, however you appear to have a very long history of edit warring, at times continuing your edit warring whilst logged out. Since you should have learned your lesson two or three blocks ago, I'm reluctant to accept this request. Waiting for comments from other administrators. Hersfold 07:31, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Comment: I do not have a "history" of using sock puppet accounts or anything of that sort. Please assume good faith. I think this impression may be skewed since it is based on the narrative of the other editor engaged in the edit war. There was one time where I did not see myself logged out and I made one edit. I filled out an edit summary in the usual fashion thinking I was logged on and it was the first revert--in other words, was not used to evade any sort of violation. I logged on immediately afterward. It was one edit (with an IP address, not an account), it was not to evade a block, and it did not happen again. Thank you. --Shamir1 (talk) 07:13, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Shamir1 (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

For the record, I never used a sock to evade my block, and never did I ever continue edit war whilst logged out. There was only one instance where I was not aware that I was logged out and I had reverted, and that was due to carelessness. Please do not let that cloud my sincerity. As to the other edit-warring allegations, this was not the same as I unfortunately did not think that three edits in a period that lasted longer than a month could be considered an edit war. I understand it may be easy to look at past violations and think that I 'learned my lesson,' but I think that you may also understand how an editor may not think (albeit erroneously) that this time his infrequent edits explained in talk could be considered an edit war. The administrator who enforced the block was patient enough to allow me a few days to log on to heed his warning first, but I unfortunately had not logged on until now. I respect this and kindly ask for the opportunity to correct my apparent mistake. Please review my comments: :I respect your warning, and was unaware that my rather infrequent edits could constitute an edit war. I did not blindly revert. I was always civil, engaged in dialogue, and consistently kept up discussion in talk, explaining why an edit could violate WP:NPOV. I am committed to editing responsibly, and did not remove information but rather I carefully organized it into appropriate sections in the article. I believed that I was editing responsibly this way, but appears that this is not case. If this is true, then I have learned my lesson, and I would like to continue to make constructive edits to other articles, the vast majority of which have been appreciated and gone by without controversy. As to this article, I do not plan on editing it at all until a formal dispute resolution process is completed, since I believe my concerns are valid and would be easily understandable. Thank you. --Shamir1 (talk) 07:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You still don't seem to understand why you have been blocked; I suggest you educate yourself by reading WP:EW. Per the above, I also don't think an unblock is warranted at this time. -FASTILY 08:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


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Shamir1, I have received your email. I suggest you contact EdJohnston, the original blocking administrator to request a review of your block. -FASTILYsock 05:23, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Unblocked

You were blocked for three months on 11 December 2090 following a discussion at :

Result - Blocked three months. It is not easy to deal with editors who constantly fight the same war and continue to earn blocks, but leave Misplaced Pages for long periods in between. Indef is one option. This three-month block should be long enough to get his attention, and any admin may lift it if Shamir1 gives some evidence that he is willing to follow our policies. The record gives little reason for optimism. EdJohnston (talk) 06:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

The Ban Appeal Subcommittee is prepared to accept your reassurances on this one occasion and will unblock you following your email acceptance of the following terms:

  1. You are banned from editing Washington Institute for Near East Policy for a period of one year;
  2. You are formally warned to avoid any type of edit-warring or ownership of articles especially returning periodically to revert to a preferred version. Repetition of these behaviours will lead to the block being reinstated.

Once the terms are accepted, a copy of this message will also be posted on your talk page, with a brief summary at WP:AC/N.

The email acceptance was received on 14 January 2010.

For the Arbitration Committee,  Roger Davies 20:55, 15 January 2010 (UTC)