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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Will Beback (talk | contribs) at 06:46, 4 January 2006 (→Link Order and Emphasis: sure). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

There seems to be a dispute among editors about how to cover the various followers of Swaminarayan. Unless changes are discussed here they are likely to be reverted. The current version, as edited by user:Mkweise, seems to be balanced. Substantial additions, subtractions, or changes to the article should be supported by verifiable sources. In any case, please bring the issues here to the talk page. Misplaced Pages is a collaborative effort. Thanks, -Willmcw 23:08, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

Original Swaminarayan Sampraday Satsangi " Can I just verbalize that we have our own view's and point's to make so can we just stick to this layout and if you need to edit it, just do your own sections and don’t touch other writing's. 21:46, Apr 27, 2005 83.67.4.89

Thanks for coming to the talk page to discuss your issues. It would also help if you can please sign your talk page entries, easily done by typing four tildes at the end (~~~~). The method for editing Misplaced Pages articles is that we all edit each other's work and we need to arrive at a a consensus version through collaboration. None of has a section of our own, though if you register you can have a user page of your own on which you can write just about anything. As for this article, can you explain what the problem is with the Mkweise version? It seems like a great advance over previous versions. Thanks, -Willmcw 02:59, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Before editing again, please take a moment to read about our NPOV policy. Adjectives like "authentic", "bona fide" and "splinter" are inherently POV. It is an undisputable fact that BAPS is today much larger and more significant than the Vadtal sect. Mkweise 06:47, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Stop messing about by putting on random external links, just to advertise your "Akshardham". Also I'd like to add what makes you say that it is a fact that the Baps is the biggest Swaminarayan group, anyone would say this is an opinion father than a fact because I don't think it is the biggest.

Don't do it again!

If an external link concerns Swaminarayan or any of his groups of followers, and adds useful information to readers, then it should have a place in this article. What is your specific objection to the links in question? - Thanks -Willmcw 22:09, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC

If that is the case than we would get numbers of people adding links on to the site

As long as they are relevant, that would not be a problem. Please sign your talk page entries. Thanks.-Willmcw 22:37, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

How many temples?

• Shree Swaminarayan Sampraday maintains approximately 300 temples and over 100 centers worldwide.
• Shree Swaminarayan Sampraday maintains approximately 30 temples and over 100 centers worldwide.

One of these is wrong. Which one? -Willmcw 10:33, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

According to this page: , there are 35 temples and 18 I.S.S.O Chapters maintained by the Shree Swaminarayan Sampraday. If anyone has a better source please use it. However please do not change it to some number that does not have a verifiable source. Thanks, -Willmcw 21:57, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

Just to let you know this list has not yet been fully updated, and I know there are well over 30 temples in India alone

Thanks. Once a better number can be verified we can use it. Until then, 35 is the number that they list. Cheers, -Willmcw 15:25, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

Why do you keep deleting the picture? Is it offensive? Why do you delete the information about the murder? It is backed by a source. Please explain your changes. Thanks -Willmcw 15:29, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

Looking over some of his other "contributions", I wouldn't spend too much time trying to find reason in anything this user does... Mkweise 23:01, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen those, and such petty vandalism does make it harder to assume good faith on the part of an editor. However, reverting page changes every day is also time-consuming so if we spend a little time in order to gain a consensus then it will be a good investment. Thanks for your patient and constructive involvement. -Willmcw 23:14, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

As the number of temples is not known yet, I'll put down a NPOV that is accepted by all.

This is not a POV matter, but a factual dispute. The number is known as the website lists each temple by name. Please register a username. And please stop deleting material from the article unless you are willing to discuss the changes. Thanks, -Willmcw 16:51, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

I have added to the input of the swaminarayan sampraday and not touched anything else please keep it as it is and just to let you know this is all facts.

No, that is not all. You deleted this line:

In 2004, four sadhus and one householder devotee were sentenced to death for the 1998 murder of another sadhu .

You also removed a line about how having a householder is an aspect serves to separate this group from orthodox Hinduism. What is your sources for these latest edits? -Willmcw 00:50, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

I think you will will my edits are backed up by vadtal.com which states the name of the current Vadtal gadi acharya

In order to sustain this sect of Hinduism, Bhagawan Swaminarayan gave us the Vachanamrut to guide us when he returned to Akshardham. In this sacred book which leads one through life, He constantly addresses the concept of a "satpurush". In order for one to be successful on any path which he chooses to follow, he must have a guru, or a guide. Eklavya became a skilled archer even after he was denied guidance by Drohanacharya, this is because he made an idol of his guru and looked toward this idol for inspiration. Who is man to take the word of God, and interpret it with his own assumption? If you truly feel that God has sent you to be his right hand man, his messiah, then please, speak up and let us know of your glory. The one who is credble enough, in God's eyes, to lead us in the path that He has revealed, is the satpurush. One who is above and beyond nirlobh, nishkaam, nisneyh, niswaad, and nirmaan. One who can show us the true meaning of dharma, gnan, vairgya, and bhakti. All the requirements that Bhagwan Swaminarayan put forth, as evident in H.D.H. Pramukh Swami Maharaj. No one would like to be a follower of blind faith, how can someone who has not seen Akshardham take us there? I ask you not to have faith in my words, you do not know me, and to have faith in someone's words whom you do not know, is ridiculous, do you agree? Then I ask you if you truly know your own guru and if the book of his life is really open for all to read? If there is or was a moment where he harbored secrecy, or chose not to discuss any part of his life with you, then you do not really know him. Now ask yourself if you really know your guru, the one who teaches you about this "Swaminaryan Satsang", and if he is merely giving you a religious experience which can be compared to searching for a black cat, in a dark room. AAP

BAPS

The last paragraph that has been added about BAPS seems disappointing. BAPS is an organisation that is doing alot of good things in the world - take a look: http://www.bapscare.org/ yet the editors don't look at that, but mere trash that they read from an opinion column (referring to the link to outlookindia.com). An opinion column is hardly fact! For all anyone knows, the person who made the opinion could have been jealous at all the good things that BAPS is currently doing.

You should be writing things that inform readers about what the origanisation is doing: tsunami relief work, performing relief work in gujarat, building hospitals, schools, uplifting society with de-addiction camps, etc.

Please can the wikipedia community concentrate on the real information that should be provided and not add rubbish from places like opinion columns.

Thanks.

Recent edits

It seems as if the quotation from the Vasudev Mahatmya of Skand Purana was presented twice. Also, what's the reason for the two bars (||) on either side of Swaminarayan's name? Also, the photo pf the statue is someone clearer to my eye than the paintng, though I suppose there's room for both. Is this text inaccurate?

• With over 1,000,000 members, over 800 sadhus (monks), more than 600 temples and over 9,000 centers in 45 countries, BAPS (Bochasanwasi Shree Akshar Purushottam Swaminarayan Sanstha) is currently one of the largest Swaminarayan sects, and indeed one of the most influential of all Hindu sects.

If so then we should correct it rather than deleting it. -Willmcw 22:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

vachanamrut and shikshapatri

How is it possible to write about Lord Swaminarayan without mentioning the vachanamrut and shikshapatri?

As far as I know, the Vachanamrut is equivalent to the Christian’s bible and Islam’s Quran. The vachanamrut is a composition of speeches and question-answer sessions Swaminarayan had with devotees. The speeches were hand chosen by swaminarayan to be comprised into the vachanamrut. The vachanamrut literary means words of nector . There is a handbook to this scripture: The vachanamrut Handbook ISBN: 81-7526-263-X.

The shikshapatri is a book of ethics and conduct. It was written by swaminarayan and has 212 verses. I do not know the isbn number; however it is readily available at any BAPS Swaminarayan Mandir.

Link Order and Emphasis

The link order should reflect the order in which the Subheadings are presented. Also there should not be any special charachters such as "||" to discriminate one link from another.

That's fair enough. Does anyone know why links are removed periodically, from this article and from BAPS? It appears as if there is some rivalry. -Willmcw 05:23, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Since the links on this article are bieng used inappropriately, with various people trying to use this article for thier own agenda. I suggest alphabetically ordering the links by thier website address name and removing any special emphasis or characters.

I'm not sure what you mean about using link inapproprorpiately, but I think ordering them alphabetically is a fine idea. I'll do it if it hasn't been done already. -Will Beback 06:46, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

What the hell?

"The divine lustrous throne upon which Lord Swaminarayan is seated in Akshardham (the divine abode of Shree Swaminarayan Bhagwan) is Shree Swaminarayan Gadi. Shree Swaminarayan Gadi embodies the power, supremacy and sovereignty of Lord Swaminarayan. Lord Swaminarayan is supreme, unique, unparalleled and eternal. Thus the Gadi (throne) of Lord Swaminarayan is also supreme, unique, unparalleled and eternal. The two are synonymous.

Thus, just as the glory of Lord Swaminarayan is infinite, the glory of Shree Swaminarayan Gadi is also infinite. This site is the official website of Shree Swaminarayan Gadi Sansthan, the worldwide centre of spiritual, cultural and social welfare. It contains the history, principles and glory of the supreme Lord Swaminarayan and His supreme heritage."

Who the hell would consider these facts?

This was obviously written from a deluded follower of one of these idiotic movements. Let's do away with this crap shall we? GodHead 17:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

While I agree the paragraph above is not factual in the least, and most probably has been cut and pasted from a website, would you not also agree calling these movements "idiotic" is a bit of an over reaction on your part? From what I understand that whole point of this is to get to the facts by aggregating everyone collective knowledge and wisdom. Let's try to do that. TTank 16:47, 19 December 2005 (UTC)