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Thanks, TTGL | Talk to me! 22:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks TTGL. Are you like my handler or mentor now?Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Generally speaking there are no special 'buddies', but most eds. will be happy to help new Wikipedians out if you contact them on their Talk Pages. Welcome aboard and happy editing. RashersTierney (talk) 23:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Laural! You said "I am also interested in putting up pages that are not on Misplaced Pages, but are of local significance." What kind of articles do you have in mind? I'd be delighted to help if they are within my expertise. Fergananim (talk) 12:54, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- I was thinking of starting some pages on the baronies of Ireland. Tipperary is as good a place to start as any. Perhaps showing how the baronies may have had their origins in older Gaelic chiefdoms (or may just have been Norman creations). Does this interest you? Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- Intrigueing. Have you looked up Trícha cét? Paul MacCotter's Medieval Ireland: Territorial, Political and Economic Divisions (2008, ISBN978 1 84682 098 4) is the best single book on the subject, and covers all Ireland. Including Tipperary. I had begun in Connacht but can do a few for Tipp. What baronies would you like to start with? Fergananim (talk)
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Not implying that your eds. can't be incorporated somewhere in article, but not at lead. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 23:26, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- Why not the lead? The lead already sets out a geographical hierarchy (country, county, town). The addition of barony merely completes the picture without violating the strict hierarchy (country, county, barony, town). Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- See Misplaced Pages:Lead section#Relative emphasis. RashersTierney (talk) 23:47, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- OK But what about 3.3 Opening paragraph:The first paragraph of the introductory text needs to unambiguously define the topic for the reader? In an article devoted to a geographic entity, surely an unambiguous, strict, verifiable, hierarchical definition is pre-eminant? Laurel Lodged (talk) 00:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article is about much more than 'geography' strictly defined. Its as much about history, politics, sport, commerce, personalities etc. Have a look at Irish (and other) towns of equivalent size to get a gist of what is usually located at the lead. Don't expect perfect consistency, but ideally there should be an overall compatibility. RashersTierney (talk) 00:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- In light of your revert at the lead, I guess I've been wasting my time here. RashersTierney (talk) 00:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- Now, now Rashers, there no need to get in a miff. It's just that i felt that your argument for the non-inclusion of baronies in the header didn't stack up. By the logic set out above, any article which deals with history, politics, sport, commerce, personalities etc. should have all this set forth in the header. This does not make practical sense - a header is a header, not a perfect abstract. And if it was otherwise, thenevery other article on every other Irish town would also include all of the above in their headers. But they don't. So i think that i'm entitled to stict to a strict geographical interpretation of the bare minumum for the header and then let the article take it's own direction. IMHO. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thats just misinterpreting what I said (at considerable length). The lead is intended to give a succinct impression of the overall content. Having such detail on the baronies at the lead gives it undue weight. Please reconsider your current pattern of editing this and similar articles. RashersTierney (talk) 18:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- Now, now Rashers, there no need to get in a miff. It's just that i felt that your argument for the non-inclusion of baronies in the header didn't stack up. By the logic set out above, any article which deals with history, politics, sport, commerce, personalities etc. should have all this set forth in the header. This does not make practical sense - a header is a header, not a perfect abstract. And if it was otherwise, thenevery other article on every other Irish town would also include all of the above in their headers. But they don't. So i think that i'm entitled to stict to a strict geographical interpretation of the bare minumum for the header and then let the article take it's own direction. IMHO. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- In light of your revert at the lead, I guess I've been wasting my time here. RashersTierney (talk) 00:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article is about much more than 'geography' strictly defined. Its as much about history, politics, sport, commerce, personalities etc. Have a look at Irish (and other) towns of equivalent size to get a gist of what is usually located at the lead. Don't expect perfect consistency, but ideally there should be an overall compatibility. RashersTierney (talk) 00:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- OK But what about 3.3 Opening paragraph:The first paragraph of the introductory text needs to unambiguously define the topic for the reader? In an article devoted to a geographic entity, surely an unambiguous, strict, verifiable, hierarchical definition is pre-eminant? Laurel Lodged (talk) 00:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- See Misplaced Pages:Lead section#Relative emphasis. RashersTierney (talk) 23:47, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
February 2010
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