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Nice Job on Ukraine!

I appreciate how you organized it. If you wish, we could work together to expand this list and clean it up a bit. My Username is User:HotelRoom. Give me a chime whenever you want me to write an article, add more names etc. 72.144.71.229 08:10, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

List of Ukrainians

Hi, Pecher. I see somebody continuously removes non ethnic Ukrainians from the list. I would suggest adding a definition on the top of the page. Something like "This list includes people of different ethnic descent who were born and/or spent essential part of their lives on the theritory of the present day Ukraine as well as the people of Ukrainian diaspora". Or something similar. Otherwise people will continue deleting because of misinterpretation of the word "Ukrainain". If the proble will persist even after the definition is added, please let me know.--AndriyK 10:19, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Grigorenko/Hryhorenko

Hi Pecher, I reverted your move of Grigorenko to Hryhorenko as per follows. Yes, he IS an ethnic Ukrainian and be him a modern politician of Ukraine or smth like this, he would have certainly be called Hryhorenko in English, like we are using Ukrainian spellings for Volodymyr Lytvyn, Petro Poroshenko, Oleksandr Moroz, etc.

Hryhorenko, however, entered the world news long time ago and, justly or not, he is called Grigorenko by the world media. You can conduct a google test and see the difference in usage. Our job, at encyclopedia, is not to "promote" the "correct" usage but to reflect the prevailing usage and the prevailing usage is determined by the English language media. May I suggest that before moving articles, you propose the move first and wait a little bit for responses in the future? Thanks! --Irpen 17:37, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks again for your email. I just want to add to my response that there exists a Ukraine portal at Misplaced Pages, created my several Ukrainian editors (myself included) who take interest in the topic. Despite being called "anti-Ukrainian" by fringe nationalists like AndriyK and Andrew Alexander, I do love my country and wrote much for many topics before having to deal with Andriy's mess started to take up so much of my time but this would be over soon, I think. Please see my user page if you would like to read and correct my articles. There was a lively, although small, community of Ukrainian editors here of which myself and user:Mzajac where the most active ones. Also, largely thanks to user:Sashazlv we even have one Featured Article in en-wiki on a Ukrainian topic (the Hero of Ukraine). We often had differences over issues with our eastern and western neighbors,who write mostly from their national perspective while I, for instance, write from a moderate Ukrainian one. However, we always resolved the differences in cordial discussions and were able to come up with the reasonable solution.

In any case, I would like to welcome you again and feel fee to ask or email if you have any questions. --Irpen 09:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Portal

Hi, I noticed you tried to improve portal's layout. You are welcome to do so. However, please note that the layout depends on the type of the browser and even the skin type selected in the user preferences. Also, for whatever reason changes made in Portal's space are often not visible immediately. This is probably some server cash issue which does not affect the articles' space. Anyway, good luck and don't hesitate to get your hands on this. I just wanted to let you know that it is more difficult than it seems. Also, you may check portal's talk at Portal_talk:Ukraine for the history of how people worked on it. Good luck, --Irpen 21:45, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

RFC on User:Antidote

Hello, I believe this person was responsible for mass voting on Catholic, Jewish and Serbs articles and numerous other disruptions including arbitrarily changing population numbers and removing people from lists dating back to March, see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Antidote and Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Antidote/Contribution_table and Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Antidote/User_comments. I would appreciate if you could endorse the request for comment at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Antidote#Other_users_who_endorse_this_summary, Regards, Arniep 15:37, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Note: this is Arniep's spam (see Special:Contributions/Arniep) to rally against me because of personal reasons. Our dispute together is separate from this and can be resolved in List of Ukrainians/Talk. Antidote 21:02, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I forgot to mention this user is the same as User:HotelRoom who also contacted you above and tries to push the same point of view on List of Ukrainians. I would appreciate your input on the rfc. Thanks Arniep 15:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks I see you just endorsed the rfc. I will be placing more evidence on it regarding the user's behaviour on the Ukrainian and other lists. Regards, Arniep 15:25, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on the rfc. Antidote responded to your message on Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Antidote#Response:

Um. If you would have read clearly, you would have seen I stated "I have made sure that Germans were deleted from the Poles list" not that I have deleted them. If you don't believe me I'll happily show you the email I sent User:HotelRoom asking for this to be done. Nice try though. Antidote 21:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Will user Antidote produce this email? I don't think so. Arniep 23:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Go here User talk:Antidote and ask for it. Antidote 05:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Ukrainians and Poles

I'm not sure what else I can do to convince you of the inclusions and exclusions on these lists. I would like to specifically know why you are so adament about including Ukrainian-born Poles in the Ukrainians list and Polish-born Germans in the Polish list when they indubitably do not belong there for the reasons I outlined. Perhaps through a lengthy discussion we can reach a conclusion. To keep consistency, lets hold the entire discussion on Talk:list of Ukrainians. Antidote 08:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Antidote and User:Zordrac/Poetlister

I note that you are involved in the above RfC. Please see my sub page for evidence of the entirety of the dispute and related issues. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 12:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: User:Antidote

Hi, if User:Antidote is evading blocks, you report it on WP:AN/I. Antidote's block is over now, so there's little point in reporting it. If he evades a block again, report your suspicions there. Izehar 21:22, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

No you didn't. 3RR violations should be reported at WP:AN/3RR and evasion of blocks should be reported at WP:AN/I. on AN/I they have IP checking tools normal admins such as myself don't have and will be able to deal with the problem more effectively. As it says at the head of WP:AN/I: This page is for reporting and discussing incidents that require the intervention of administrators, such as blocked users evading blocks. Izehar 21:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

No, WP:3RR is fine.

• If someone violates the 3RR, you report it on WP:AN/3RR
• If someone is evading a block, you report it on WP:AN/I

Izehar 21:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

С Новым Годом!

. --Irpen

Jewish lists and categories

Hello, I have made a compromise proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Centralized_discussion/Lists_by_religion-ethnicity_and_profession#Proposal_to_make_Jewish_lists_and_categories_historical_only. Regards Arniep 22:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: List of Ukrainians

I won't protect the page again, until another edit-war occurs. Protected pages are a bad thing and should only be used when there is a serious problem. So far, the edit-war has not resumed; I'll be watching the page though. I don't think that Howcheng's unprotecting the page was admin abuse - Antidote asked him to do it saying that there is a consensus. Howcheng probably WP:AGFed. Izehar 11:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Do you think you could comment on what's going on at Talk:List of Ukrainians - we're trying to sort this thing out. Izehar 23:26, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Ali Sina vote

Hi Pecher. Thanks for the note. Sorry about that. Cheers -- Szvest 18:55, 10 January 2006 (UTC)